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Title: Alan Dershowitz: Zimmerman Arrest Affidavit "Irresponsible And Unethical"
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URL Source: http://realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... responsible_and_unethical.html
Published: Apr 13, 2012
Author: Real Clear Politics
Post Date: 2012-04-13 07:41:00 by Jethro Tull
Keywords: None
Views: 873
Comments: 64

Posted on April 12, 2012

Alan Dershowitz: Zimmerman Arrest Affidavit "Irresponsible And Unethical"

“Most affidavits of probable cause are very thin. This is so thin that it won’t make it past a judge on a second degree murder charge,” Dershowitz said. “There’s simply nothing in there that would justify second degree murder.”


Poster Comment:

I hope the massive racial manipulation of the public by the whore MSM is becoming clearer. By charging Zimmerman with 2nd degree murder, the special prosecutor has created a scenario where a dismissal of the charges at trial is a distinct possibility. Should that happen, and should the timing of such a decision be close to the November (s)elections, this nation will split like nothing we've seen since our Civil War.

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#23. To: RickyJ (#22)

Carter seems to be a decent man with a lethal misunderstanding of human nature.

The chronic underclass are like stray cats, if you give them freebies they'll invite all their friends and soon enough you'll have hundreds of them living under your porch.

"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2012-04-13   18:59:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Jethro Tull (#5)

We'll have a Rodney King redux.

I don't think so.

Do you REALLY think darkie thinks Zimmerman is white? The ONLY people buying the anti-white spin in this case are SOME dopey whites. The media is looking stupider by the day to EVERYBODY else, including darks.

Zimmerman is not "the man." Sure, darkie may make some noise about "the man" in this case, just to see if the charge sticks, but Zim is NOT "da man." Everybody knows this.

Therefore, their hearts are not and will not be in it.

That's why mom says it was an accident.

It's not some big noble gesture on her part.

SHE JUST KNOWS THE GODDAMN OBVIOUS.

The guys who shouted "Treyvon" while beating a white guy?

To them it's just a word, an excuse WHITEY accepts for them to do what they want to do anyway.

It's not sincere.

An old lonely slave comes back from the grave
Searching... searching... searching
For his master who's long gone on

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-04-14   0:13:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Jethro Tull (#7)

Yep, his clarion call of we're all Trayvon now was one of the most irresponsible moments of his (cough, cough) presidency.

It goes over great with anti-white traitors.

But it will ultimately COST him with blacks.

An old lonely slave comes back from the grave
Searching... searching... searching
For his master who's long gone on

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-04-14   0:15:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Cynicom (#6)

We cannot forget that the President of the United States interjected himself DIRECTLY into this affair, and only he can now diffuse it. He wont.

Bush The Wimpier did the same thing with the four cops charged with crimes after Rodney King's rhythm stick party.

George Herbert Walker Bush was also attempting to garner minority votes at election time a year later, but as with his Gulf War and 4000 bombing sorties against Iraq (with his timing off by two years) he derived no benefit from having served those cops up to the nig.... I mean, African American community.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2012-04-14   1:26:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

“Most affidavits of probable cause are very thin. This is so thin that it won’t make it past a judge on a second degree murder charge,” Dershowitz said. “There’s simply nothing in there that would justify second degree murder.”

Having listened to the unedited 911 tapes, hearing Trayvon beg for his life, I would have to disagree with Dershowitz...Their is definitely something there worthy of a murder charge.

God knows it is very likely that if Zimmerman had done this to one of our kids we probably would not of waited 45 days for the DA to get off her ass and charge him but rather handled the matter ourselves.

Their is alot of engineered division over this though... I mean I don't understand what folks don't get. Race is not an issue here... Zimmerman killed a 17 year old who was begging for his life...... probably on his knees but the tape was only audio so we can't know that detail... still... it is enough to know with certainty that Zimmerman (with his violent criminal past) killed a kid begging for his life. What folks don't understand about that is mind blowing to me.


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Fuck it if it kills me. Liberty before death.

titorite  posted on  2012-04-14   1:56:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: titorite (#27)

From what I have read on the voice analysis it is not at all clear that it is Trayvon doing the begging.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-04-14   2:48:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Original_Intent, titorite (#28)

From what I have read on the voice analysis it is not at all clear that it is Trayvon doing the begging.

I agree with OI ... I don't think we know who was begging for their life. I read where one witness said it was the guy on the bottom wearing red clothing ... and that would have been Zimmerman.

I also feel like the media and the STATE OF FLORIDA are colluding to create chaos.

"You assist an evil system most effectively by obeying its orders and decrees. An evil system never deserves such allegiance. Allegiance to it means partaking of the evil. A good person will resist an evil system with his or her whole soul."

Mahatma Gandhi

noone222  posted on  2012-04-14   4:40:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Original_Intent, noone222 (#28)

sorry, but that theory is flat-out stupid. someone who initiates a conflict ARMED, & ignores police orders to retreat, then murders their victim with their gun, does not "beg for their life"..Explain how a transition from "begging" to sniping occurs.Damn.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2012-04-14   6:27:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: titorite, 4 (#27)

Having listened to the unedited 911 tapes, hearing Trayvon beg for his life, I would have to disagree with Dershowitz...Their is definitely something there worthy of a murder charge.

I despise Dershowitz, but the man isn't dopey. For him to come out so strongly against the State validates what I thought initially; the charge is an overreach and an unethical attempt to get Zimm to plea out to a lesser charge. If he doesn't, and he skates, we'll have another media driven riot.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-04-14   7:48:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Jethro Tull (#31)

I love to watch a good riot in NYC on TV, lots of burning, looting, when I am sitting here in the hills. Let the zoo animals run wild, wheeeee. Bloomberg loves 'em.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-04-14   8:27:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Artisan, Original_Intent (#30)

sorry, but that theory is flat-out stupid. someone who initiates a conflict ARMED, & ignores police orders to retreat, then murders their victim with their gun, does not "beg for their life"..

The evidence hasn't been divulged as of yet.

Zimmerman called 911. A 911 operator isn't necessarily a "cop" - and it's possible that something happened we don't know about after the conversation with 911 provoking a fight to break out.

There are too many pieces of the puzzle missing to know whether or not the shooting was justified. We already know that the media edited the tape recording to make Zimmerman appear racist.

We also know that Zimmerman volunteered his time to mentor young children of diverse ethnic backgrounds. On top of that Zimmerman is a hispanic.

As often as we're lied to by the media and the government we should show a little more restraint when considering whether someone is or isn't a murdering racist, or before we accuse someone of any criminal act.

In America, one is presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty beyond a reasonable doubt when charged with murder.

"You assist an evil system most effectively by obeying its orders and decrees. An evil system never deserves such allegiance. Allegiance to it means partaking of the evil. A good person will resist an evil system with his or her whole soul."

Mahatma Gandhi

noone222  posted on  2012-04-14   9:04:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: noone222, Cynicom, 4um (#33)

As often as we're lied to by the media and the government we should show a little more restraint when considering whether someone is or isn't a murdering racist, or before we accuse someone of any criminal act.

In America, one is presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty beyond a reasonable doubt when charged with murder.

Yes indeed, trial by media blows hard and it's something 4um members know all too well. The only thing I'm positive about regarding this case is that we've been lied to at least three times by the whore MSM, and that their other presentations are rife with propaganda (the photo's of both Martin and Zimmerman). If the lies and the propaganda are fact, how does one accept as true anything else they serve up?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-04-14   9:26:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Cynicom, 4 (#32)

I love to watch a good riot in NYC on TV, lots of burning, looting, when I am sitting here in the hills. Let the zoo animals run wild, wheeeee. Bloomberg loves 'em.

LOL!

There's nothing like the smell of smoke, and the sound of shots in Bed Sty on a hot summer night :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-04-14   9:28:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: noone222 (#33)

Very good.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-04-14   9:58:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Jethro Tull (#35)

I still have relatives in the city and on Longiland.

Young and olde, just not too bright. When the "war" starts, they need not come here.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-04-14   10:03:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Jethro Tull (#35)

i have to say, this from Dershowitz surprises me.

christine  posted on  2012-04-14   10:59:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: noone222, Artisan (#33) (Edited)

As often as we're lied to by the media and the government we should show a little more restraint when considering whether someone is or isn't a murdering racist, or before we accuse someone of any criminal act.

As we can also see with the media repetition of the term "White Hispanic" and the "Hispanic" part was only added later in the reporting when the media was called on it. Up to that point it had all been "white, white, white" and poor innocent black African American youth with a clean record (which we later found out was not true as he had been suspended for assault). The obvious intent was a psychological one to implant the idea that "dat da po' homeboy be done killed by a WHITE HISPANIC RAY-CISS."

This story is, and has been, under heavy spin control for psychological effect. The intent would seem clear and that is to inflame passions along racial lines.

sorry, but that theory is flat-out stupid. someone who initiates a conflict ARMED, & ignores police orders to retreat, then murders their victim with their gun, does not "beg for their life"..

Armed is not the same as drawn. A gun in a holster is a blunt object. I do not know what exactly transpired because I was not there and we do not yet have a reliable data set. From the evidence we currently have it is just as possible that "po" Trayvon went ballistic on this guy who was following him and the gun was drawn only after "po™" Trayvon assaulted the WHITE HISPANIC ray-ciss Zimmerman. And according to at least one eye witness account it was Zimmerman calling for help not "Po™" Trayvon. The set of associations being intentionally implanted seems clear - the enforced assumptions that Zimmerman is white, Trayvon black, it is in the South, and that therefore it simply has to have been an attack by a WHITE HISPANIC RAY-CISS.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-04-14   12:54:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: christine, Jethro Tull (#38)

i have to say, this from Dershowitz surprises me.

The key word in his motivation is ZIMMERMAN.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-04-14   12:56:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Original_Intent, noone222 (#39)

you know, for as much as posters heree decry the 'race card' being played, there seems to be an incessant fixation of race whenever this topic is discussed. I dont watch tv, couldnt care less about the race pimps, and dont care about any race here. that is not the issue.

I'm pretty sure that you both have handled guns before. probably even aside from the range or the woods.

Now go back to the scenario which i keep hearing about. this busibody asshole 'BEGGING FOR HIS LIFE". That's got to be the biggest bunch of bullshit ive ever heard. Begging for his life. If someone is begging for their life, that means they are essentially DONE. defeated, whipped. about to be finished off. they are at the mercy of their purported murderer. the only hope they have is to plead and beg for mercy. they hold no upper hand and no chance.

because, if they had any chance, they wouldnt be begging. they'd be stomping their assailants face in.

a guy who initiates a confrontation with a gun, whether it be in his holster, or his hand, or jacket, isnt afraid. if he was scared he wouldnt have stopped his car and gone after the guy.

the fact that the black guy probably REACTED to the affront is NORMAL. ive encountered more than my fair share of busbodies and such horrible people invoke the same response from me. i absolutely hate people like that. damn freaks. they go looking for trouble. cant stand them. i can give you examples, even from just yesterday, but ill spare you. busibodies by definiton cause situations to escalate.

Back to the armed guy who somehow is begging for his life. what happened next, zimmerman's elf/ pocket companion popped a popeye spinach pill into his mouth and he went from deaths door to the incredible hulk? was finally able to reach around like spiderman and finally grab his gun and defend himself. right after pleading to escape death. right?

if he were really begging for his life from the scary assailant murderer trayvon and then grabbed his gun while begging to trayvon, then trayvon, who obviously had the upper hand according to the scenario, wouldve long seen it coming, shoved it down his throat and pulled the trigger.

Please, my friends -that is the most retarded bullshit ive ever heard. LOL!

ask people here if theyve ever been armed begging for their life. damn that is stupid.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2012-04-16   3:53:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: jethro tull, cynicom, indietx (#41)

how many times during your careers, when you were on duty as armed cops BEGGED FOR YOUR LIFE?

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2012-04-16   3:57:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Artisan (#41)

you know, for as much as posters heree decry the 'race card' being played, there seems to be an incessant fixation of race whenever this topic is discussed. I dont watch tv, couldnt care less about the race pimps, and dont care about any race here. that is not the issue.

In my case it more that I generally decry the racist drivel but it is a reality in our current mad society that some people do take it seriously - on both sides of the color divide. I don't watch the toob either but I do ride public transit and so am frequently confronted with the 'tudes of agressive young blacks. Lots of nice ones too. However the ones who have swallowed the poverty pimp drivel are just seething and if not intimidating they do at least need to be treated cautiously just as you would treat any other danger.

As for who was begging I am still holding out for more data and I refuse to jump to a conclusion, because I have seen some of these aggressive young black men who are seething with animosity and they are out there and they are on a hair trigger.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-04-16   5:03:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Artisan (#41)

Most of your post requires speculation that I'm not willing to accept until the evidence is in.

I haven't watched Tel Aviv Vision for at least 10 years.

Your post insinuates that anyone unwilling to make wild presumptions based upon snippets of unproven information is retarded. This is exactly how the press convicts the innocent in some cases before there is even a trial, which under normal circumstances is the proper place for the evidence to be exposed.

The only thing we know for certain is that a young black man was killed and Zimmerman did it.

"APRIL 15th is really APRIL FOOL'S DAY"

noone222  posted on  2012-04-16   6:40:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: noone222 (#44)

I haven't watched Tel Aviv Vision for at least 10 years.

Watching TV is akin to voluntarily eating your dinner at the local sewer plant.

I remember when there was NO TV, little radio and the adults carried on conversations in the evenings, sitting round the stove keeping warm. There was NO foul, obscene nor profane language such as we see here.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-04-16   6:52:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Cynicom (#45)

Watching TV is akin to voluntarily eating your dinner at the local sewer plant.

Perfect !

I remember when there was NO TV,

Me too - just barely - at least at my house. We didn't have a TV when I was 5 or 6 - and that would have been around 1955-56.

If I could have it my way I'd have everyone take a TV to the Post Office on April FOOL'S Day (Apr. 15th) with a short note attached explaining the people's version of quantitative easing (we no pay). I'd have everyone just toss the TV out the back of a pick-up onto the parking lot where it would break up into a million shards of glass so as to notify the FEDS that not only are we not paying them anymore - we're not listening to their gophers either.

"APRIL 15th is really APRIL FOOL'S DAY"

noone222  posted on  2012-04-16   7:14:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: noone222 (#46)

In the 1930s there were few local radio stations, so mostly it was night time listening, to the news.

We had other things to do besides radio, namely work and trying to find something to eat. IN those days there was little brainwashing and programming.

In the 1950s, TV became a baby sitter, now it is an adult sitter.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-04-16   7:46:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Artisan, 4 (#42)

how many times during your careers, when you were on duty as armed cops BEGGED FOR YOUR LIFE?

A, the answer to your question is never, but I never struggled with a larger, stronger, younger kid when an open gun was in the mix. This will be Z's argument, and what Dershowitz describes as a no win prosecution for the State given the "Stand your Ground" law in FL. Beyond that, I know nothing about the case other than what the whore MSM has presented and has lied about *IN* an effort to stir the racial pot. It's wonderful that the Sharpton/Jackson matter doesn't concern you, but it should as it most certainly will affect you in the not so distant future. Ignore the growing issue of Black Nationalism and the dual standard of (urp) justice at your own risk.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-04-16   7:59:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Cynicom (#47)

In the 1950s, TV became a baby sitter, now it is an adult sitter.

You're so right -

"APRIL 15th is really APRIL FOOL'S DAY"

noone222  posted on  2012-04-16   8:00:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: noone222 (#44)

i'd contend the opposite, that defenders of zimm are the ones making wild presumptions by constantly claiming, based on nothing, that he "begged for his life". That goes against logic as well as evidence. Maybe the trial will reveal the truth.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2012-04-16   11:48:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Original_Intent (#43)

if one does not carry a gun in such circumstances, pepper spray is a good defensive tool. sabre red 3 in 1 has cs tear gas, red pepper & a dye. I had the circumstance to use it once & trust me it works. Wow. A guard was being attacked & i helped him.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2012-04-16   11:54:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Jethro Tull (#48)

(beating a dead horse here, but i want to stick to the general principle at hand:

i'd argue that this killing was not a defensive act. The agressor who initiates the problem bears the brunt of blame & is culpable. Once I agress against someone, their defense is justified. I am not at all against defending oneself. quite the opposite.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2012-04-16   12:05:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Artisan, 4 (#50)

I don't see anyone defending Zimm, A. I'm simply refusing to dance to the tune the media is playing until more facts come into play.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-04-16   12:11:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Jethro Tull (#53)

i was referring to the debate about the 911 tapes where its allegedly disputed whos begging for their life. Ive not heard it. Logic & common sense dictates an armed man does not beg for his life. There's just no 2 ways about it.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2012-04-16   12:24:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Artisan (#54)

Wow! I don't even have to read a report of the actual trial, or preliminary, You've done got this one figured out. Your logic, and your common sense have Zimmerman doing 8 to 10 for second degree murder.

From what I gather, it's manslaughter at a maximum. And if it turns out Martin did attack Zimmerman, stand your ground covers the killing. But that's just my logic and my common sense.

Ragin1  posted on  2012-04-16   12:43:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Ragin1 (#55)

if u adehere to the non aggression princple then you'd realize that martin,not zimm,was defending himself. the wanna-be cop domestic abuser kook who called 911 constantly was the agressor.He initiated the conflict.Even the cops, his heros, told him not to

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2012-04-16   13:30:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Jethro Tull (#53)

I don't see anyone defending Zimm, A. I'm simply refusing to dance to the tune the media is playing until more facts come into play.

I'm of the exact same mindset.

"APRIL 15th is really APRIL FOOL'S DAY"

noone222  posted on  2012-04-16   13:40:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Artisan (#50)

i'd contend the opposite, that defenders of zimm are the ones making wild presumptions by constantly claiming, based on nothing, that he "begged for his life". That goes against logic as well as evidence. Maybe the trial will reveal the truth.

1st, no one is "defending" Zimmerman simply because they haven't already found him guilty.

Your analysis (or contention) is one based upon emotion and some desire or need to have conclusions without a trial.

Others here have tried to remain loyal to traditional standards for justice and due process while you want to rush to a judgment based upon agenda driven media programming which is why America is in such a dysfunctional condition.

Your method of deducing innocence or guilt demonstrates a complete LACK OF LOGIC.

"APRIL 15th is really APRIL FOOL'S DAY"

noone222  posted on  2012-04-17   4:49:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: noone222, 4 (#58)

Others here have tried to remain loyal to traditional standards for justice and due process while you want to rush to a judgment based upon agenda driven media programming which is why America is in such a dysfunctional condition.

THIS~!

Trial by media has become the vogue thanks to the String Pullers and if folks like us begin to accept it, they'll have won.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-04-17   8:13:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: noone222 (#58)

Back to the actual point.If you initiate a confrontation, youre responsible for the outcome. You try to confront and detain a stranger, they have no obligation to obey you, & every right to defend themself.You"d be the agressor,not the victim.Common sense

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2012-04-17   8:43:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Artisan (#60)

Common sense

Wish you had some.

"APRIL 15th is really APRIL FOOL'S DAY"

noone222  posted on  2012-04-17   15:02:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: noone222 (#61)

Wish you had some.

Wow, it's a shame how immediately you resorted to that. I did not insult you. I simply explained two points which I am surprised you apparently disagree with:

1. Anyone who knows anything whatsoever about guns, or has ever used one, or was trained how to use them at all, would never put themself in a position to be armed and yet have to "beg for their life". It is astonishing anyone who's ever used a gun would believe that.

2. the non aggression principle is a good rule to live by. people should not initiate force against others. it can be called the golden rule and is basic to natural law and God's moral law. Someone who initiates agression against another person is in the wrong. How is the non aggression principle at odds with common sense?

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2012-04-17   23:35:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Artisan (#62)

Wow, it's a shame how immediately you resorted to that.

It's not a shame and it certainly wasn't immediate. Your emotional posts which were all based upon theoretical nonsense were mind numbingly simple and baseless claims that eventually (after much effort to communicate) required civility be damned.

You're stubborn and appear to be locked into a stupifying mindset that would deny anyone carrying a gun the presumption of innocence.

I don't care what the 911 operator said because I don't know what occurred. Maybe Zimmerman didn't follow Martin. Maybe Martin turned around and started whippin Zimmerman's ass -

Anyway, I haven't found this conversation advantageous for either of us.

"APRIL 15th is really APRIL FOOL'S DAY"

noone222  posted on  2012-04-18   7:06:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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