See other Ron Paul Articles
Title: Obama Lawyer Admits Forgery but disregards “image” as Indication of Obama’s Ineligibility Damage Control
Source:
[None]
URL Source: http://www.teapartytribune.com/2012 ... -ineligibility-damage-control/
Published: Apr 14, 2012
Author: Dan Crosby of THE DAILY PEN
Post Date: 2012-04-14 14:12:10 by Ada
Keywords: None
Views: 756
Comments: 50
A recent ballot challenge hearing in New Jersey exposes a desperate strategy by Obama to distance himself from his forged certificate and induce the contrived value of his transient political popularity as the only “legitimate qualification” needed to hold the office of the presidency. NEW YORK, NY – After a Maricopa County law enforcement agency conducted a six-month forensic examination which determined that the image of Obama’s alleged 1961 Certificate of Live Birth posted to a government website in April, 2011 is a digital fabrication and that it did not originate from a genuine paper document, arguments from an Obama eligibility lawyer during a recent New Jersey ballot challenge hearing reveals the image was not only a fabrication, but that it was likely part of a contrived plot by counterfeiters to endow Obama with mere political support while simultaneously making the image intentionally appear absurd and, therefore, invalid as evidence toward proving Obama’s ineligibility in a court of law. Taking an audacious and shocking angle against the constitutional eligibility mandate, Obama’s lawyer, Alexandra Hill, admitted that the image of Obama’s birth certificate was a forgery and made the absurd claim that, therefore, it cannot be used as evidence to confirm his lack of natural born citizenship status. Therefore, she argued, it is “irrelevant to his placement on the ballot”. Hill went on to contort reasoning by implying that Obama needs only invoke his political popularity, not legal qualifications, in order to be a candidate. At the hearing, attorney for the plaintiffs, Mario Apuzzo, correctly argued that Obama, under the Constitution, has to be a “natural born Citizen” and that he has not met his burden of showing that he is eligible to be on the New Jersey primary ballot by showing that he is indeed a “natural born Citizen.” He argued that Obama has shown no authenticate evidence to the New Jersey Secretary of State demonstrating who he is and that he was born in the United States. Apuzzo also argued that as a matter of law, Obama is not a “natural born Citizen” because he was born to a father who was not a U.S. citizen. As Obama’s legal argument becomes more contorted, he is being forced to avoid an ever shrinking legal space, and an increasing weight, of his failure to meet constitutional eligibility requirements. Hill, of Genova, Burn & Giantomasi Attorneys in Newark, made a desperate motion to dismiss the ballot objection arguing that Obama’s lack of natural-born citizenship status was not relevant to being placed on the New Jersey presidential ballot because no law exists in New Jersey which says that a candidate’s appearance on the ballot must be supported by evidence of natural born citizenship status. Only the U.S. constitution restricts eligibility to hold the office of president to natural born citizens. Judge Masin denied the motion to dismiss and the case proceeded to trial. “Sadly, regardless of her moral deficiency, Hill is legally justified,” says TDP Editor, Penbrook Johannson, “Obama’s eligibility is a separate matter than the charges of forgery and fraud. Of course, we have evidence that he is not eligible. But, evidence of forgery by as yet unidentified counterfeiters working on behalf of Obama is not what legally excludes Obama from appearing on a ballot, by itself, until some authority is willing to consider this as evidence of forgery on its merit as an indication of actual ineligibility in a court of legal authority. Until some court of competent jurisdiction is willing to hear evidence of forgery and fraud, you can’t legally punish a political candidate for that crime which has not been proven that they committed. However, since Obama is not eligible because of a lack of authenticated evidence to the contrary, he could be held off the ballot for that reason.” According to Johannson, there is an overwhelming level of moral certainty that Obama is a usurper, but until a court with jurisdiction considers this case, Obama’s status as a legitimate president is in limbo. “He does not exist as a president except in the imagination of those who blindly support him. Whereas he is politically desired by a transient consensus, his legality is unresolved until a responsible court makes a determination. This is the essence of our crisis. Our nation exists in a state of non-authorized identity. Obama is just some guy calling himself a president and living in the White House without the confirmative authority to do so.” Obama’s document forgery and fraudulent presidency have now forced him to flee to a “strange twilight zone” between political popularity and legal legitimacy where poorly counterfeited records are apparently allowed to be published by Obama using government media resources for political purposes, yet those same records are held by the courts as irrelevant for determining Obama’s legal eligibility status because they are, according to judges, “so poorly forged” they are obviously meant to be satirical and not to be taken seriously as evidence. Shockingly, parting from widespread public ignorance, Hill actually acknowledged two of the three necessary components of determining natural born citizenship as being place of birth and citizenship status of both parents. However, she argued that, “No law in New Jersey obligated him (Obama) to produce any such evidence in order to get on the primary ballot.” The third component of natural born eligibility is maintenance of natural born citizenship status from birth to election without interruption, involuntarily or voluntarily, due to expatriation, extradition, renouncement or foreign adoption. “Obama is mocking our constitution,” says Johannson, “His position is that he never claimed the image was an indication of his natural born status, just that it was information about his birth. Whether it is forged or authentic is irrelevant to Obama because plausible deniability affords him the security in knowing that no legal authority is willing to hang him with it.” Of course, Johannson adds that it makes Obama look like a willing accomplice and a liar, but, he says, “…show me a politician who cares about being seen as a liar by the public. If people who support him want to vote for a person like that, it reveals more about the reprobate character of Obama supporters than competency of any legal determination about his lack of constitutional eligibility. Degenerates will vote for a degenerate while patriots will exhaust all civil means to remove him…until those civil means are exhausted. Then things get ugly for government.” “However, Hill is also essentially admitting that Obama is not a legitimate president and that Obama believes that his illegitimacy does not matter to his legal ability to hold the office. Obama holds to a political tenet, not a legal one with respect to his views on his eligibility. That’s what corrupt, criminal politicians do. When the law convicts them, they run to public favorability for shelter with the hope that their supporters will apply pressure to disregard law in their case.” Obama is now arguing that because he is politically popular, as he points to as being indicated by his so-called ‘election’, despite accusations of eligibility fraud and election fraud, the constitutional eligibility mandate is not relevant, in his view. Until a courageous authority is willing to disagree and hold Obama to an equally weighted legal standard, civil remedies for the Obama problem are limited. Johannson adds that Obama is making the same argument on behalf of Obamacare. “If he had the gall to actually tell the Supreme Court that they have no authority to determine the unconstitutionality of his illegitimate policies, what makes anyone think he believes they have the authority to disqualify him due to his lack of constitutional eligibility? Obama believes he holds preeminent power over all branches of government because of his delusions of political grandeur.” He correctly points to a lifetime pattern of behavior and testimony by Obama which indicates a complete lack of regard for the U.S. Constitution when it restricts Obama’s political agenda and lust for power. “This is a guy who illegally defaced public property when he scribed his aspirations to be ‘king’ in a concrete sidewalk at the age of ten, for God’s sake. Now, his ‘majesty’ wants to put his illegal ‘graffiti’ into American law books. However, his problem is that he has to face the fact that he is an abject failure in his capacity to meet any standard required by the 250-year-old U.S. Constitution, in everything he tries to do. The Constitution owns him and he can’t stand it. He hates it. Therefore, instead of admitting his lack of constitutionality, he simply breaks the rules and proceeds to illegally scribe his fake authority on everything until someone is willing to physically stop him. Obama is not just an illegitimate politician, he is a rogue outlaw without regard for the divine providence of American law.” Apuzzo submitted that New Jersey law requires Obama to show evidence that he is qualified for the office he wishes to occupy and that includes showing that he is a “natural born Citizen,” which includes presenting evidence of who he is, where he was born, and that he was born to two U.S. citizen parents. Apuzzo added that the Secretary of State has a constitutional obligation not to place any ineligible candidates on the election ballot. The account of the trial can be read at: http://www.teapartytribune.com/2012/04/11/nj-ballot-access-challenge-hearing-update/ ###
Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest
#1. To: Ada (#0)
Obama may be half-white, but his negroidal brains are finally blowing up on him.
“Teach a child their rights and it breeds rebellion, teach a child their responsibility an it breeds righteousness.”
We are Definitely in Wonderland now!!! And I didn't even SEE the Rabbit Hole!
This is a trip. Obummer is illegally occupying the White House, and there is nothing short of a new revolution that can stop him from being re-elected. Besides, Obummer and Romney are both Israelophiles. "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Obama eligibility: NJ ALJ ducks issues Administrative Law Judge Jeff S. Masin ruled that Barack Obama is eligible to appear on the Democratic primary ballot, according to a report on Conservative News and Views. Mario Apuzzo, Esq., argued for the objectors to Obama’s petitions yesterday at a hearing presided over by Masin. Alexandra Hill of Genova, Burn and Giantomasi argued for Obama. Apuzzo has a write up of the proceedings on his blog. CNV reports that Masin informed Apuzzo of his decision on the telephone at 7PM last evening and gave him a two hour deadline to file an exception to the ruling. Apuzzo took exception to the following: Judge Masin ruled that Obama was born in Hawaii with no evidence on record, after acknowledging that fact during the hearing. Judge Masin ruled that Obama need not comply with statute to show that he is eligible, solely because he need not “consent” to someone circulating a nominating petition for him. The judge suggested that Obama might have to show eligibility later. He laid no basis for such a ruling. The judge misread the precedents and gave short shrift to the historical evidence that the Framers of the Constitution defined “natural-born citizen” as one born in-country to two citizen parents. Apuzzo devoted half of his 30-page exception to this analysis alone.
Remember, the super-elite want obummer in the whitehouse. Not only does he do every corrupt thing they want him to do, he is a tool in their Hegelian dialectic - black vs. white.
Despite this claim that Obama's lawyer admitted a "forgery", the 3-hour video of the court hearing shows no such admission. Nor did the birthers' pleading filed in that court case dare to make such a claim to the very judge who would have heard such an admission. This claim of "forgery" exists only in the propaganda that the birthers are spinning now that they've lost the case. They lost the case??! Yes, you might not have tumbled to that fact by the way they were crowing about this imaginary admission but yes they went down on all counts. At a crucial point, the birthers even tried to argue that it didn't matter that Obama's Hawaiian birth certificate was authentic because they had a notion (which runs contrary to American law) that a "natural-born citizen" must also have one or both parents who are also US citizens. The closest the Obama lawyer came to admitting anything was the very obvious and indisputable statement that the internet image of the Hawaiian birth certificate was not, itself, a legally satisfactory substitute for the actual paper document with the impression seal --- if there were any proceeding in which the paper document were required.
You must surely be living in some alternate plane of existence. When the shat started to hit the fan regarding the release of this "new" birth certificate; Bin Laden was killed (again). I don't want to contemplate what they'll pull if this starts to gain traction again.
Attaboy! Keep catapulting the propaganda/psyops. The problem is that the noose is closing in, metaphorically of course, and that the Faker In Chief is increasingly being recognized as illegitimate. Soon it will be only the "Kool-Aid for Lunch Bunch". He is NOT a Natural Born Citizen and no amount of PROPAGANDA spew can make him one. He is likely not even in the country legally given that he came here from Indonesia on a Student Visa for which there is NO RECORD that it was ever renewed. He IS an illegal alien. That is the REAL 800 pound Gorilla. Q. What does a 200 pound Canary say while walking down an alley? A. Here, Kitty, Kitty, Kitty! Romney was born in Mexico and isn't eligible either. Does anyone honestly believe that the global elites whose wealth and power depend on manipulation of the global chess board would leave something like the Presidency up to chance?
by the power of numb-skull you are she ra!
Get up - Stand up - Stand Up For Your Rights !!! Nigger puleeeze - to bad there ain't no fuckin constitution in the Socialist Demobocracy - that relic exists ONLY IN THE COMMON-LAW REPUBLIC. It's a very small club (The Republic) - and y'all ain't in it ! You've joined the Socialist DeMOBocracy. All anyone needs in the Socialist DeMOBocracy is a SOCIALIST SECURITY CARD - and in the nigger's case a fake one will do. "You assist an evil system most effectively by obeying its orders and decrees. An evil system never deserves such allegiance. Allegiance to it means partaking of the evil. A good person will resist an evil system with his or her whole soul." Mahatma Gandhi
I'm no Angel ! "You assist an evil system most effectively by obeying its orders and decrees. An evil system never deserves such allegiance. Allegiance to it means partaking of the evil. A good person will resist an evil system with his or her whole soul." Mahatma Gandhi
This would include the Republican Party who have refused to address the issue since before the election. Whereas he is politically desired by a transient consensus, his legality is unresolved until a responsible court makes a determination. Complete bullshit. The legality is resolved. Obama has been the President for almost 4 years now. WTF is a court going to do? Turn back time? Demand a do over? Obama is just some guy calling himself a president and living in the White House without the confirmative authority to do so.” Tell that to the families of our dead soldiers. Tell it to the families of those old men, women, and children murdered on his orders in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Yemen. Tell it to the American people who are being ate the fuck up with the effects of inflation. For example, a simple meal for four at The Outback that used to cost less than $50 at the beginning of Bush's second term just cost me $101. An average trip to the grocery store to pick up a few things that used to cost $30 now costs $75 or more. For someone who is "just some guy calling himself a president and living in the White House without the confirmative authority to do so," he sure has managed to fuck things up. Obama’s document forgery and fraudulent presidency have now forced him to flee to a “strange twilight zone” between political popularity and legal legitimacy where poorly counterfeited records are apparently allowed to be published by Obama using government media resources for political purposes, yet those same records are held by the courts as irrelevant for determining Obama’s legal eligibility status because they are, according to judges, “so poorly forged” they are obviously meant to be satirical and not to be taken seriously as evidence. This is what happens when the entire political system is a corrupt caricature of what it is supposed to be. This is what happens when both parties appoint criminally compromised people to the bench. The judicial branch serves to protect the criminal activities of the two part fraud. Of course, Johannson adds that it makes Obama look like a willing accomplice and a liar, but, he says, “…show me a politician who cares about being seen as a liar by the public. If people who support him want to vote for a person like that, it reveals more about the reprobate character of Obama supporters than competency of any legal determination about his lack of constitutional eligibility. True. So what does it say about an "opposition party" that knows exactly what is going on but chooses to not only ignore it but to help perpetrate the fraud by slandering those who bring the subject up. “If he had the gall to actually tell the Supreme Court that they have no authority to determine the unconstitutionality of his illegitimate policies, what makes anyone think he believes they have the authority to disqualify him due to his lack of constitutional eligibility? Obama believes he holds preeminent power over all branches of government because of his delusions of political grandeur.” The author assumes that the case would even make to the USSC. It won't so Obama will not have to tell the USSC anything. Mark my words, the USSC will refuse to hear this case if it makes it to them. He correctly points to a lifetime pattern of behavior and testimony by Obama which indicates a complete lack of regard for the U.S. Constitution when it restricts Obama’s political agenda and lust for power. Agreed. Which makes him absolutely no different than the entire legislative and executive branches, all of whom take pride in pissing on the Constitution on a daily basis. I'm sorry guys. I just can't work up enough energy to give a shit one way or the other about this issue even though I know I should. Why? Plain and simple because at this stage of the game it doesn't really matter. Whoever replaces Obama is going to continue with the exact same agenda, be they Republican or Democrat. Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan
Complete bullshit. The legality is resolved. Obama has been the President for almost 4 years now. WTF is a court going to do? Turn back time? Demand a do over? No, but they could rule that every bill he has signed is invalid and has no force of law, and bar him from running again. That they are corrupt to the core and owned and controlled by the people who own and control Oh'bummer. Actually it does matter - very much it matters as a ruling against Oh'bummer asserts anew the primacy of the Constitution. Yes, both halves of the 1 party Kleptocracy follow orders from above. However, the only option to fighting this fight is to willingly don a slave's collar. Judge Masin ruled that Obama need not comply with statute to show that he is eligible, solely because he need not “consent” to someone circulating a nominating petition for him. I'm shocked! Shocked I say! Administrative judges are actually part of the executive branch, not the judicial branch. Obviously Masin knows who is buttering his bread. Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan
Right. You have a better chance of pigs flying out your ass to the tune of In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida than that happening. That they are corrupt to the core and owned and controlled by the people who own and control Oh'bummer. Which is exactly why this court case went exactly no where. Actually it does matter - very much it matters as a ruling against Oh'bummer asserts anew the primacy of the Constitution. But the judge ultimately ruled in favor of Obama - as I completely expected he would do. However, the only option to fighting this fight is to willingly don a slave's collar. Considering there isn't a single person on this board, or in this country, myself included, willing to lay down his or her life by taking up arms against the two party fraud, I guess we are all wearing a slaves collar. Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan
Considering there isn't a single person on this board, or in this country, myself included, willing to lay down his or her life by taking up arms against the two party fraud, I guess we are all wearing a slaves collar. Revolution of the spirit, and a willingness to fight back is step zero. Armed violence, armed insurrection, are last resorts when all else has failed. It is advocated as a primary action only by fools and hotheads. My point is not to insult but to point out one of the truths we have to deal with - the state, at this point, has overwhelming force. Violent armed opposition at this point would be fruitless and counterproductive. I am perfectly willing to stand and die in defense of liberty, but not in pointless quixotic suicide. What you are not seeing is that the revolution has already begun. Greater and greater numbers of voices are beginning to speak the truths which are the precursors to change. Both Romney's parents were U.S. citizens when he was born, so he is a natural born citizen. The fact that his father was born in Mexico does not change Romney's status as natural born because his father became a U.S. citizen before Romney's birth. His mother was also a U.S. citizen at his birth, giving him both U.S. citizens as parents.
Oh I see it. I just think it's too little too late. It will have to end in bloodshed because the two party fraud and its sycophants are not going to give up control of the federal government peacefully. Having said that, I do not believe it will happen in my lifetime. The people of the USSR and other tyrannical government are proof of what a people will put up with before they've had enough. What I see happening is the two party fraud continuing to build upon the police state infrastructure while passing more and more laws allowing them to arrest and imprison those who have the audacity to oppose them, all in the name of the war on terror, of course. This will continue until the US is truly a totalitarian state that would make Myanmar, the USSR, North Korea, and the PRC proud. We will live like this for at least several decades before the people finally have enough and two party fraud is overthrown. But then, I'm a glass half empty guy. Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan
Funny you should mention the CCCP (USSR). And how many shots were fired in the collapse of the Soviet Regime. Correct me if I am wrong, but I do not recall any. Oh, there were revolts, some bloody, in some of the satellite states but as far as the collapse of the regime went it was pretty bloodless. While I agree that is the direction we are headed I don't think we'll arrive. The situation here is different there is the implicit threat of a heavily armed populace. The legitimacy, and thus the allegiance of the people to it, of the current government is predicated upon the illusion that we still have meaningful and honest elections. We don't, and the one really major accomplishment of the Ron Paul campaign has been to make that obvious to many many more people. The one thing we have to fight against is sliding into apathy thinking that somehow this corrupt, and basically stupid, regime is unbeatable. Watch as things unfold - their support is going to melt away. That is why they have built up Blackwater as a mercenary force of murderous psychopaths and sociopaths. In the end a lot of the military will desert and only a small percentage will be willing to fire on their own. However, at this point despite their strong position they cannot take open control or the system collapses overnight. Their system of control of hundreds of millions by a few thousand is highly dependent upon keeping the general populace uninformed. The internet has changed that equation and many many more people are aware now than there were at the time of the 2003 "Turkey Shoot" in Iraq, and many many more people are aware of Israeli influence and a growing number are becoming aware that Israel's self destructive path is being dictated from London. "Time's they are a' changin'." Stay Tuned. It wasn't my intent to imply that the USSR had a bloody revolution. As you state, they didn't. My point was that the Russian people allowed themselves to be horrendously subjugated by their government for more than 70 years before doing something about it. This shows that human beings will endure a lot before finally taking action. In the end a lot of the military will desert and only a small percentage will be willing to fire on their own. I'm not convinced of that. Besides, LEO's all over the country will gladly step in to take up the slack. There are millions of Grand Islands in this country just salivating at the thought of being able to kill Americans with impunity. Their system of control of hundreds of millions by a few thousand is highly dependent upon keeping the general populace uninformed. The internet has changed that equation and many many more people are aware now than there were at the time of the 2003 "Turkey Shoot" in Iraq, and many many more people are aware of Israeli influence and a growing number are becoming aware that Israel's self destructive path is being dictated from London. "Time's they are a' changin'." Stay Tuned. For the sake of my children, I hope you are right. As for the internet though, both Republicans and Democrats are already taking steps to lessen its threat. IMHO that's what all the internet legislation they are trying to pass is REALLY about. Pass laws that make it appear that they are just trying to stop pirating and then twist those same laws to use as the justification to remove sites like this, alternative media sites, basically anything the government doesn't like. We'll just have to see how it plays out. I like your scenario much more than mine. I don't have as much faith in the American people as you do though. Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan
Thanks for the clarification. I thought Romney himself had been born in Mexico. Does anyone honestly believe that the global elites whose wealth and power depend on manipulation of the global chess board would leave something like the Presidency up to chance?
Could you please post your source(s) on when his father became a U.S. citizen, Phant? I've looked for evidence of George W. Romney's citizenship status at the time of his son's birth here but found none. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
"If men were angels, no government would be necessary." -- James Madison, The Federalist Papers, #51
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
For all the posturing, this is the bottom line: The birthers lost this NJ court case. The NJ court held that their arguments lacked merit. Obama's lawyer made no admission of a "forgery". People who have forced themselves to listen to the 3 hour videotape of the court hearing insist that there was no such admission. As the NJ court pointed out, so far not a single court has held that Obama is anything other than a "natural born citizen" and eligible to be President.
Nice weasel wording. You are to be commended. No court has held a trial of fact and evidence. Every challenge has been thrown out on procedural grounds i.e., primarily standing - based on the assumption that an American citizen has no damaged interest in having an illegal occupant in the office of the American Presidency. Interesting theory that. Eh? The NJ court lacks merit. "Judge" Masin should be removed from office and disbarred for his senseless decision based on no evidence at all that Obama is even a US citizen presented by his attorney -- just her ludicrous argument that the Constitution's Presidential requirements of natural born citizenship don't matter. She should be disbarred too. They are Traitors to this country and so are all of you who support the hijacking of America's Presidency. What doesn't matter at all in this issue are claims of New Jersey "loopholes" or any other State's on Presidential ballot access. The Supremacy Clause of our Constitution is clear that the Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land -- including Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 -- and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the [State] Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding. Edited for link addition and underline formating. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
She's right ! (In a strictly LEGAL sense). Ya know, you are consistently pointing out events or incidents that blatantly disregard the Constitution and are upheld or dismissed by the courts, whichever is most convenient to the cabal in charge of the Corporation known as the UNITED STATES, but stedfastly refuse to admit that you and about 300 million other social benefit seekers and financers of baby killing scumbags are the cause. Repent ! "APRIL 15th is really APRIL FOOL'S DAY"
It is my recollection that George Romney (Mitt’s father) was born in Mexico of two citizens of the United States. It is my understanding that the Expatriation Act of 1907 gave citizenship to expatriated U.S. citizens living in a foreign country. I believe that law was enacted before Mitt’s father was born. More exacting information would require me to research the basis of my "recollection" and "understanding".
Perhaps my "clarification is clouded", but I answered from my old memory. See #24, response to Grey Mist.
No, she's wrong. There is no real legality in conflict with the Supremacy Clause and if there is an Unconstitutional error of law at the State level, they are bound by the 14th Amendment, as well, not to enforce it. Otherwise they would be denying all of us equal protection of Constitutional Law per Article II requisites for the office of President. Repent ! I'm penitent about many things but my opinion that the guvs are not entitled to keep the funds they've taken from us (ostensibly for a retirement investment) is not one of them. In fact, I think they are not entitled, either, to keep the funds they've taken from people who don't live long enough to get it back. Those funds should go to their heirs or a charity they chose. You repent of your accusatorial outlook about it. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
More exacting information would require me to research the basis of my "recollection" and "understanding". Thanks for your memo of understanding, Phant. I know that's basically the understanding that most people have of the issue, if they question it at all, but Romney's family wasn't in Mexico as Expats. They were fugitives from the law and they were not citizens of the State of Utah before that. Utah was just a territory then, not a State. They re-entered this country as refugees from the Mexican War, not ex-pats, and I've never seen any documentation on their citizenship status thereafter as naturalized by application or otherwise. Edited 2nd sentence. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Bwahahahahahaha ... God forbid !!! "APRIL 15th is really APRIL FOOL'S DAY"
The "funds" collected by Uncle Sambo that you claim are ostensibly for retirement are legally defined as "contributions" ... and they're voluntary. Also, a cursory review of Socialist Security Case Law will reveal that the SS Admin has NO OBLIGATION whatsoever to reciprocity. In other words, Social Security benefits are not a "right" even if you've paid into the fraud for 100 years. "APRIL 15th is really APRIL FOOL'S DAY"
Candidate Willard Mitt Romney was born in Detroit, Michigan, and is therefore an undoubted natural born citizen. His father, sometime Michigan governor and presidential candidate, George Romney, was born in Mexico to two Mormons living in a Mormon colonia there (i.e. not missionaries) and not brought into the US until he was six years old. There was, therefore, a nagging doubt whether George qualified as a natural-born citizen but hardly anyone said anything at the time. A slightly similar situation attached to John McCain's birth - in Panama (but not in the US-owned Panama Canal Zone) - and not registered with the US diplomatic mission in Panama. There could, therefore, have been some doubt about McCain, but in 2007 the US Senate deliberately adopted a resolution (co- sponsored by Barack Obama) that McCain was a natural-born citizen. In a Constitutional showdown the weight of this resolution would have been debatable. This calls attention to the differences between the situation in 1789, when being born in another country almost certainly meant the baby would not be transported by such a risky method as ocean voyage until many months old, and the ocean voyage itself was three months long, and nowadays when a child can be born just outside the border and brought to his parents' US home within hours.
Also, a cursory review of Socialist Security Case Law will reveal that the SS Admin has NO OBLIGATION whatsoever to reciprocity. In other words, Social Security benefits are not a "right" even if you've paid into the fraud for 100 years. If you are ok with rule by the color of "case law" and "contract law", right or wrong, then I don't know why you even have any complaints about SS or anything else the rogues try to get away with by bad legislation and bad court interpretations. I am not claiming a right to "government funds". Government really has no asset-holdings of its own, monetary or otherwise, that aren't the property of We the People. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
If Ron Paul hangs in there Ole' Mitt The Unnatural Citizen might not be on the the ballot either. That would be something if the USSC would actually do something right in regards to our electoral collapse - that was brought on by judicial activism, fraud and out and out Treason. I'm not holding my breath.
Yes and Ron Paul is the only real Republican in the race: Gingrich leans "Progressive"/Commie Democrat and Romney claimed in 2002 that his only connection to the GOP was as a registered Republican, not committment in Conservative-practice: 4um Title: Will There Be A Citizenship Eligibility Challenge For Romney? 4um Title: Mitt Romney's Mexican Roots; His Father Was Born In Mexico, Romney Not a Natural Born US Citizen? President Paul! President Paul! Edited for spelling. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
I've said this before but it's worth mentioning again. I have witnessed some of the very best people in America die, go to prison, lose their homes and families because they depended upon the CONsti-stupid. So, when I see someone like yourself that argues in support of the CONsti-stupid as if it actually has some bearing on the "OPERATION OF LAW" in America I have an obligation to inform people other than yourself that may be contemplating taking some action that reliance upon the Consti-stupid will only get them in trouble. Those in power use the CONstitution as a smoke screen to keep well intentioned people "IN THEIR SYSTEM" "UNDER THEIR CONTROL" and in most courts on the wrong track. I don't know how many opportunities you've ever had to litigate against the STATE but I've had plenty. I have been out of THEIR SYSTEM for 30 years. They ONLY HAVE JURISDICTION OVER THOSE IN THEIR PRIVATE LEGAL (monetary) SYSTEM. FEDERAL doesn't mean national - it means FEDERAL. The Federal Govt is OWNED by the FEDERAL RESERVE. The Medium of Exchange dictates the CHOICE OF LAW. Look up choice of law. The Law Merchant has been around since Babylon and is in operation right now. The CONsti-stupid is a relatively recent attempt to "have a REPUBLIC" if you can keep it. We didn't keep it because idiots were tempted away from freedom in order to acquire a little security in the form of government benefits. Your child-like attachment to the Consti-stupid blanket for "protection" has exactly the opposite effect in operation. Personally, I don't care if you charge into the courtroom brandishing the glorious Consti-stupid, but I want to warn others that the current system has no ability to disregard THE FACT that you (if in their system) have already waived any defenses. "APRIL 15th is really APRIL FOOL'S DAY"
Comments (41 - 50) not displayed.
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest
#2. To: Ada (#0)
#3. To: Ada (#0)
(Edited)
#4. To: Ada (#0)
#5. To: All (#4)
#6. To: Ada (#0)
#7. To: Shoonra (#6)
#8. To: Shoonra (#6)
(Edited)
#9. To: Southern Style, Shoonra (#7)
You must surely be living in some alternate plane of existence.
"Yes Your Honor, this man has no dick."
#10. To: BTP Holdings (#3)
Besides, Obummer and Romney are both Israelophiles.
#11. To: Shoonra (#6)
If either Moromney or Mammyjammyobammy win the November (s)election peoples with common sense will pray that December 21 2012 will indeed be the end of the world!
#12. To: ALL you Socialists ! (#0)
#13. To: All (#12)
#14. To: Ada (#0)
“He does not exist as a president except in the imagination of those who blindly support him.
#15. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, Ada, all (#14)
Whereas he is politically desired by a transient consensus, his legality is unresolved until a responsible court makes a determination.
True. So what does it say about an "opposition party" that knows exactly what is going on but chooses to not only ignore it but to help perpetrate the fraud by slandering those who bring the subject up.
I'm sorry guys. I just can't work up enough energy to give a shit one way or the other about this issue even though I know I should. Why? Plain and simple because at this stage of the game it doesn't really matter. Whoever replaces Obama is going to continue with the exact same agenda, be they Republican or Democrat.
#16. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#4)
Judge Masin ruled that Obama was born in Hawaii with no evidence on record, after acknowledging that fact during the hearing.
#17. To: Original_Intent (#15)
No, but they could rule that every bill he has signed is invalid and has no force of law, and bar him from running again.
#18. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#17)
However, the only option to fighting this fight is to willingly don a slave's collar.
"The Pen is mightier than the Sword."
"In times of universal deceit speaking the truth is a revolutionary act." ~ George Orwell
#19. To: farmfriend (#10)
Romney was born in Mexico and isn't eligible either.
#20. To: Original_Intent (#18)
What you are not seeing is that the revolution has already begun. Greater and greater numbers of voices are beginning to speak the truths which are the precursors to change.
#21. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#20)
Oh I see it. I just think it's too little too late. It will have to end in bloodshed because the two party fraud and its sycophants are not going to give up control of the federal government peacefully. Having said that, I do not believe it will happen in my lifetime. The people of the USSR and other tyrannical government are proof of what a people will put up with before they've had enough.
We will live like this for at least several decades before the people finally have enough and two party fraud is overthrown. But then, I'm a glass half empty guy.
#22. To: Original_Intent (#21)
(Edited)
Funny you should mention the CCCP (USSR). And how many shots were fired in the collapse of the Soviet Regime. Correct me if I am wrong, but I do not recall any. Oh, there were revolts, some bloody, in some of the satellite states but as far as the collapse of the regime went it was pretty bloodless.
#23. To: Phant2000 (#19)
Both Romney's parents were U.S. citizens when he was born, so he is a natural born citizen. The fact that his father was born in Mexico does not change Romney's status as natural born because his father became a U.S. citizen before Romney's birth. His mother was also a U.S. citizen at his birth, giving him both U.S. citizens as parents
#24. To: Phant2000 (#19)
The fact that his father was born in Mexico does not change Romney's status as natural born because his father became a U.S. citizen before Romney's birth.
#25. To: noone222 (#13)
#26. To: Ada (#0)
#27. To: Shoonra (#26)
As the NJ court pointed out, so far not a single court has held that Obama is anything other than a "natural born citizen" and eligible to be President.
#28. To: Shoonra, All (#26)
(Edited)
The NJ court held that their arguments lacked merit.
#29. To: GreyLmist (#28)
just her ludicrous argument that the Constitution's Presidential requirements of natural born citizenship don't matter.
#30. To: GreyLmist (#24)
Could you please post your source(s) on when his father became a U.S. citizen ...
#31. To: farmfriend (#23)
Thanks for the clarification.
#32. To: noone222 (#29)
She's right ! (In a strictly LEGAL sense).
Ya know, you are consistently pointing out events or incidents that blatantly disregard the Constitution and are upheld or dismissed by the courts, whichever is most convenient to the cabal in charge of the Corporation known as the UNITED STATES, but stedfastly refuse to admit that you and about 300 million other social benefit seekers and financers of baby killing scumbags are the cause.
#33. To: Phant2000 (#30)
(Edited)
It is my recollection that George Romney (Mitt’s father) was born in Mexico of two citizens of the United States. It is my understanding that the Expatriation Act of 1907 gave citizenship to expatriated U.S. citizens living in a foreign country. I believe that law was enacted before Mitt’s father was born.
#34. To: GreyLmist (#32)
Otherwise they would be denying all of us equal protection of Constitutional Law
#35. To: GreyLmist (#32)
I'm penitent about many things but my opinion that the guvs are not entitled to keep the funds they've taken from us (ostensibly for a retirement investment) is not one of them.
#36. To: Phant2000 (#30)
#37. To: noone222 (#35)
The "funds" collected by Uncle Sambo that you claim are ostensibly for retirement are legally defined as "contributions" ... and they're voluntary.
#38. To: Ada (#0)
#39. To: Cornhuskerkid, All (#38)
(Edited)
If Ron Paul hangs in there Ole' Mitt The Unnatural Citizen might not be on the the ballot either.
revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/: Romney in 2002: My only connection to the GOP is I'm a register Republican
#40. To: GreyLmist (#37)
If you are ok with rule by the color of "case law" and "contract law", right or wrong, then I don't know why you even have any complaints about SS or anything else the rogues try to get away with by bad legislation and bad court interpretations. I am not claiming a right to "government funds". Government really has no asset-holdings of its own, monetary or otherwise, that aren't the property of We the People.
.
.
.