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Title: A Nation of Morons
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Published: Apr 26, 2012
Author: Stephen Lendman
Post Date: 2012-04-26 03:58:46 by Stephen Lendman
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A Nation of Morons

by Stephen Lendman

Jefferson called an educated citizenry "a vital requisite for our survival as a free people."

Madison warned that "A popular Government, without popular information, or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy, or, perhaps both."

Jack Kennedy said "The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all."

In 1748, Montesquieu said "The tyranny of a principal in an oligarchy is not so dangerous to the public welfare as the apathy of a citizen in a democracy."

In a June 1950 commencement speech, Boston University President Daniel Marsh said, "If the (television) craze continues....we are destined to have a nation of morons."

Well before television arrived, journalist Walter Lippmann called the public "the bewildered herd." In policy matters, their function is to be "spectators," not "participants."

"The common interests elude public opinion entirely," he said, and that's the way it should be.

America's privileged class alone should manage them. Only they need proper education and training. Treat others like mushrooms - well-watered and in the dark. In other words, distracted by bread and circuses. More on that below.

In his book, "Amusing Ourselves to Death," Neil Postman said "Americans are the most entertained and least informed people in the world." Most know little or nothing about what matters most.

Public ignorance isn't universal, but a significant majority's affected. Henry Ford once said:

"It is well that the people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.”

It's also true for out-of-control imperialism, war and peace overall, political corruption, corporate power, illusory democracy, elections little more than theater, police state lawlessness, an unprecedented wealth disparity, shocking poverty, unemployment, hunger and homelessness levels, and numerous other issues in the world's richest country.

Widespread public ignorance keeps these and other abuses out of public consciousness and concern enough to demand political Washington address them responsibly.

Instead, officials serve wealth and power alone. As a result, popular needs go begging, especially under mandated austerity to pay bankers and wage imperial wars.

A nation of morons literally lets America get away with murder, erode human and civil rights, and leave millions uninformed, on their own, out of luck.

Public Education in America

Diogenes called education "the foundation of every state." Father of American education Horace Mann called "(t)he common school....the greatest discovery ever made by man." He meant public, not private, ones to educate all students responsibly.

Today, US public education's targeted for privatization. At issue is commodifying it as another profit center. Bottom line priorities only will matter. As a result, in cities across the country, schools are closed, teachers fired, and students left out in the cold.

Moreover, those in inner city public schools aren't taught. Why bother when high-pay skilled jobs move abroad, and they're left to scramble for low pay, no benefit, unskilled part-time or temp ones at home.

Half a century after the Supreme Court's landmark Brown v. Board of Education ruling, Jonathan Kozol called segregation worse, not better, in his book titled, "The Shame of the Nation: The Restoration of Apartheid Schooling in America."

At the same time, Harvard civil rights researchers commemorated Brown's 50th anniversary saying, "At the beginning of the twenty-first century, American public schools are now 12 years into the process of continuous resegregation."

Desegregation from the 1950s through late 1980s "has receded to levels not seen in three decades." Martin Luther King's dream became a nightmare with respect to education, civil liberties, and inability of growing numbers of underprivileged Americans to get by because help keeps shrinking when they most need it.

In 1983, the National Commission on Excellence in Education published a report titled, "A Nation at Risk: The Imperative for Educational Reform." It found academic performance poor at nearly all levels. It warned that America's educational system was "being eroded by a rising tide of mediocrity."

Today, it's a national disaster by design. So-called education reform's a fraud. It masks privatization schemes, a society of growing haves and have nots, and no desire to educate masses for low pay, low skill jobs if they can find one.

Critics warn of dire consequences to no avail. Several books discussed it. They include Jared Diamond's "Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed," Cullen Murphy's "Are We Rome: The Fall of an Empire and the Fate of America," and Adrian Goldsworthy's "How Rome Fell."

They explain the decline and fall of powerful states, and apply what's highlighted to failing education in America. Combined with out-of-control greed, imperialism, corruption, duplicity, and lawlessness, it's a prescription for failure.

In his book titled, "Just How Stupid Are We? Facing the Truth about the American Voter," Rick Shenkman discussed profound public ignorance. He asked, "How much ignorance can a country stand," and said one day we'll find out, perhaps to our dismay.

Numerous examples provide evidence.

University of Michigan studies categorize Americans as follows:

• few know much about politics and world affairs;

• around half know enough to answer elementary questions; and

• all others know virtually nothing.

In the 1980s, less than a third knew Roe v. Wade was a 1970s Supreme Court abortion ruling. Only one- fourth understood senators serve six years. Only 20% knew America has 100 senators. Around 40% knew the nation has three branches of government, but few can explain what separation of powers entails.

Less than half knew America dropped the atom bomb on Japan. In response to a 2005 Gallup poll asking to name America's greatest president, only 14% choose Lincoln and 5% Washington.

Only a third know Congress alone can declare war, or that it can override a president's veto. Around half think the chief executive can suspend the Constitution.

In their book titled, "What Americans Know about Politics and Why It Matters," Michael Delli Carpini and Scott Keeter found only 5% could answer basic economics questions, 11% domestic issues ones, 14% foreign affairs topics, and 10% on geography. Only 25% answered most history questions right.

In 2003, the Strategic Task Force on Education Abroad said, "America's ignorance of the outside world" is so extreme, it threatens national security.

One survey showed nearly one-fourth of Americans able to name all five Simpson family members, compared to one in 1,000 correctly stating all five First Amendment freedoms.

They include free expression, a free press, freedom of religion, the right to assemble peaceably, and to petition government for redress of grievances, as well as the implied rights of association and belief.

Free expression in all forms is most important. Without it, all other rights are at risk.

In 2011, Newsweek magazine gave 1,000 Americans the US citizenship test. The results showed profound ignorance:

• 38% failed;

• 29% couldn't name the vice president;

• 73% knew little or nothing about the Cold War;

• 40% didn't know why America fought Germany, Japan and Italy in WW II;

• 63% didn't know the correct number of Supreme Court justices, let alone their names;

• 65% knew nothing about the Constitutional Convention;

• 70% didn't know the Constitution is the supreme law of the land;

• 23% didn't know Martin Luther King fought for civil rights;

• 40% couldn't explain the Bill of Rights; and

• 6% didn't know July 4 was Independence Day.

In total, 100 questions were asked. Simple ones included:

• where's the White House located?

• what's the US capitol?

• where does Congress meet?

• how many states are there in America?

• who's the military commander-in-chief?

• name America's two major political parties; and

• -- similar questions most everyone should answer easily. Most can't.

Results showed appalling civic ignorance levels. Other tests on reading, math and computer skills are just as dismal. Americans are profoundly ignorant.

In May 2011, the Chicago Sun Times headlined, "Report: Over a third of students entering college need remedial help," saying:

"Nationally, in 2010, only 24 percent of ACT-tested high school graduates were deemed college ready in all four subjects tested - English, math, reading and science." In addition, most lack computer skills.

Columbia University's Community College Research Center found students finish high school unprepared. At the same time, around 80% needing remedial help graduated with GPAs above 3.0.

University of Illinois Professor Debra Bragg called it "a problem for all types of (public) high schools." They don't teach. They shove students through untaught and unprepared. It's why over a third drop out and never finish. In fact, in America's 50 largest cities, rates exceed 40%, and in some major ones approach 50%.

Problems begin in first grade. Columbia University senior research associate Dolores Perin said:

"Students aren't learning strong reading and writing skills and math, and the problems get worse and worse. As kids get older, it just gets harder and harder to do well in school," no matter what grades they're given to shove them out in preparation for the next crop behind them.

In contrast, Western Europeans and Asians score much higher on skills mattering most, as well as knowledge of international issues. Whatever deficiencies affect their schools, they way outperform America's.

Corporate controlled education reform assures worse ahead. For business, only profits matter. Marketplace solutions don't work, especially when they sacrifice vital needs for bottom line priorities and prevent children from fulfilling the American dream.

For growing numbers today, it's a nightmare getting worse.

Stephen Lendman lives in Chicago and can be reached at lendmanstephen@sbcglobal.net.

Also visit his blog site at sjlendman.blogspot.com and listen to cutting-edge discussions with distinguished guests on the Progressive Radio News Hour on the Progressive Radio Network Thursdays at 10AM US Central time and Saturdays and Sundays at noon. All programs are archived for easy listening.

http://www.progressiveradionetwork.com/the-progressive-news-hour/.

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#1. To: Stephen Lendman (#0)

Well Mr. Lendman, your fellow progressives basically took over the field of education decades ago. It is your peers that are doing this. I can't tell you the number of times I've had to reeducate my children from the misrepresentations, half-truths, and outright lies your ideological brethren have tried to fill their heads with.

Public school is what you make of it. I don't know how it is at other schools, but in my school district children are allowed to pick what classes they attend beginning in the 6th grade. It has been my experience that 90% of parents either don't give a damn what classes their kids take or they allow them to take the easiest ones all the way to graduation.

For example, my son is a junior in a high school of almost 2000 people. His graduating class will have close to 600 people in it, yet his advanced math, science, and writing classes are less than half full AND they only have one of each (calculus, AP calc, advanced chemistry, AP chemistry, etc., etc). Think about that for a moment. If even 10% of his graduating class were attending these classes it would be almost 60 people. This would require 2 or 3 classes, yet they have only one of each class and these classes are less than half full. So few students signed up for his AP calculus class that they were going to cancel the it and we had to go to the school board to have them keep it. There are literally only 8 people in his AP calc class. This is a choice by parents. It's not like my son is a genius - he's not. Hell he's even involved in wrestling, track, and MMA.

Instead of forcing their kids to take the hardest classes they can, schools provide and parents allow their kids to attend idiotic classes like "the history of baseball" (a real class at my son's high school). Plus, they only have to have three math classes (doesn't have to include algebra) and three science classes (doesn't have to include physics, chemistry, or biology) to graduate. As far as the "social sciences" goes, they only need one American history class, one world history class, and one political science-type class. The rest is filled up with electives. Parents can do what we did and force their children to take harder classes as their electives or they can allow them to take bullshit classes such as "relationships." Unfortunately, too many parents allow their kids to take the completely worthless elective classes.

Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown

Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2012-04-26   8:38:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Stephen Lendman (#0) (Edited)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

America: Israel's Handmaiden

Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-04-26   9:27:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#1)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

America: Israel's Handmaiden

Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-04-26   9:32:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#1)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

America: Israel's Handmaiden

Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-04-26   9:43:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Eric Stratton (#3)

I largely disagree w/ the rest however. You're right about what they choose, but the edumakational system hinders their progress by design. The great philosophers knew this too. It's structured so as to develop loyal automatons to a "structured" society, and one in which the individual and the individual's freedoms are not only hindered, but frowned upon.

While I agree with that thesis, when it comes to the written word, math, and the sciences, parents can either choose to take an active role in their children's education and force their kids to be prepared for college and/or the job market or they can take a hands-offs approach and let their children take years of bullshit classes which prepares them for absolutely nothing. Of course not all schools have the resources to provide advanced classes in math and science but many do.

There are a million different ways the education system hinders progress, not the least of which is the number of touchy-feeling classes or completely worthless classes (history of baseball anyone?) they allow kids to take which count towards their graduation but does nothing to prepare them for life.

IMHO, history, reading, writing, math and science is what should be focused upon. If kids cannot handle the math and science (and not all can) then we should bring back the vo-tech schools to give these kids a trade so they can learn what they need to learn to be productive citizens and not welfare leaches.

The German, Japanese, or Korean model of education is IMHO much more effective and efficient than our own.

Once thing is for sure and that is that IMHO at the very minimum all high school kids should be required to do an in-depth study of the federalist and anti-federalist papers in their history classes.

Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown

Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2012-04-26   9:51:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#5)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

America: Israel's Handmaiden

Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-04-26   10:18:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Eric Stratton (#6) (Edited)

I think that you're under the impression that even "concerned parents" have a whole lot of options, even within that structure, more options than they do.

They do have options as limited as they may be. They have the option of forcing their children to take harder and harder classes every year - or not. Most opt not to for whatever reason. Most parents don't even take advantage of what is there now so I doubt very seriously if they would take advantage of anything that Mr. Gatto would recommend

One thing that he mentions in it is that most parents realize that there are skools that are not so good, but he's never come across one parent that has stated that their child is in one of those skools.

I know my school isn't any good, but it's the one he's in. I'm not sending him to a fundi-nut school and the Catholic High school doesn't have the advanced math and science classes that his public high school does. Those are my three options. Homeschooling is not an option for us.

Reason (obvious): Plausible deniability and indolence. If they realize it, then they must do something about it.

I think you give the average parent too much credit. They don't think about it enough to care.

I can tell you this, to say that homeschooling, at least to the extent that we are doing it, is a sacrifice, you have no idea the extent of that sacrifice.

Unfortunately, the vast majority of Duhmerikan parents, while they won't admit it, have wealth, status, and creature comforts ranked way, way, way ahead of the true education and welfare (in this way) of their own kids.

I am very happy with the way my son's education has turned out. If that makes me a Duhmerikan parent so be it. What's most important to us is his writing, math, and sciences. He's learned his politics from me and is able to see the flaws in his liberal teachers political views. I made him read The Road to Serfdom by Hayek. I made him read both the Federalist and anti-Federalist papers and he was able to see for himself how the many, if not most, of the anti-federalists warnings/predictions came to pass. Next year I am going to make him read Mises' Socialism: An Economic and Sociological Analysis. Being the political junkie I am, we watch and read the news and discuss the events of the day and he is able to see the same problems I do. He has a traditional deep distrust and a healthy dislike of the government as all Americans should and despises the two-party fraud in particular. I am happy with that and I think I've given him enough of an education in that area to be able to critically analyze the liberal crap his college history and political science professors are going to blow up his rear.

He's taken the ACT test and SAT subject exams 5 times now. His highest ACT score has been a 34 and his lowest a 32. His SAT subject exams in math, physics, chemistry, biology, and Korean have all been very high as well. He is going to continue to take these exams until he gets the a perfect score or its time for him to apply to college. He's being courted by all of the top schools in the nation, to include MIT and will likely get a full scholarship wherever he goes.

His goal is to get an MD/PhD and do genetics research. I think we have done everything in our power to make sure he is well qualified to begin his college career and obtain that goal in spite of the myriad of problems with out education system.

We've tried to do the best we can with the tools we had and believe we have successfully made lemonade out of lemons.

edit: I can take very little credit for my son's success in school. My wife was born and raised in Korea and education is a national obsession with them. A's are the only acceptable grade.

Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown

Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2012-04-26   11:20:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#7)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

America: Israel's Handmaiden

Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-04-26   12:20:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#7) (Edited)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

America: Israel's Handmaiden

Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-04-26   12:25:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Eric Stratton (#9)

And BTW, I see the opposite, the diametric, due to our homeschooling efforts. ... BTW, I'd wager that you are able to homeschool, you just don't want to make the sacrifices. Most people wouldn't believe it possible that we live the way we do on the income that we have. ... which is far from luxuriously I might add. But yes, there are sacrifices, unfortunately, most parents, of those that are not ignorant, do not want to make them.

I guess your family is just better than ours. I'll have to go through life living with the burden of that knowledge, but I think I can do it.

I'm happy with my family and I'm proud of my son and daughter and what they have accomplished so far in their lives.

Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown

Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2012-04-26   12:57:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Eric Stratton, F.A. Hayek Fan (#9)

And BTW, I see the opposite, the diametric, due to our homeschooling efforts. ... BTW, I'd wager that you are able to homeschool, you just don't want to make the sacrifices. Most people wouldn't believe it possible that we live the way we do on the income that we have. ... which is far from luxuriously I might add. But yes, there are sacrifices, unfortunately, most parents, of those that are not ignorant, do not want to make them.

being self-righteous is a sin you know.


Does anyone honestly believe that the global elites whose wealth and power depend on manipulation of the global chess board would leave something like the Presidency up to chance?

farmfriend  posted on  2012-04-26   13:38:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#1)

Well Mr. Lendman, your fellow progressives basically took over the field of education decades ago.

That kike is strictly a shoot-n-scoot libtard cocksucker. Don't look for him to read any reply.

I have that maggot on bozo for the longest, but unfortunately it still shows his articles.

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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself... Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-04-26   16:19:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: PSUSA2 (#12)

That kike is strictly a shoot-n-scoot libtard cocksucker. Don't look for him to read any reply.

Yeah, I know. I've made that same complaint about him as well. Considering his leftist beliefs I've often wondered how the heck he found us anyway.

I posted my reply to him more for anyone reading the article than I did expecting him to post a reply.

Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown

Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2012-04-26   16:55:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#10)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

America: Israel's Handmaiden

Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-04-29   16:31:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#10)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

America: Israel's Handmaiden

Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-04-29   16:32:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: farmfriend (#11)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

America: Israel's Handmaiden

Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-04-29   16:33:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Stephen Lendman (#0)

"Leftist don't merely misunderstand human nature; they don't understand it at all" - Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn.

If the shoe fits (and in your case it does) then wear it.

“Arbitrary power is most easily established on the ruins of liberty abused to licentiousness.”

Turtle  posted on  2012-04-29   16:54:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Eric Stratton (#2)

In response to a 2005 Gallup poll asking to name America's greatest president, only 14% choose Lincoln and 5% Washington.

Is there a problem with that?

lol.....the problem was that most couldn't name one POTUS. Elvis Presley was the most popular response, garnering 50%, and he was the King, not a POTUS. : )

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-04-29   18:08:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: abraxas (#18)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

America: Israel's Handmaiden

Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-04-29   18:58:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Eric Stratton (#14)

As is typical w/ many, you run out of arguments when you've lost the debate. ... didn't expect it from you.

There was no debate to lose. If you want to believe my son's accomplishments mean nothing that is your prerogative. If you want to believe that you are somehow better than me because you choose to home school your child that is your prerogative.

As I stated, I am happy with my children's educational accomplishments and the universities that are courting my son. I'm sure your son will have the same success and I wish him well.

Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown

Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2012-05-01   10:11:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#20)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

America: Israel's Handmaiden

Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-05-01   13:10:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Eric Stratton (#21)

As I said, you've attempted to redefine the debate by overstepping my points entirely.

Other than repeating "read his book, read his book," and making vague, inarticulate statements derived from that book, I don't see where you've really made any points other than to make it clear you don't believe it is possible to get a decent education from the public school system. All you've done is shown yourself to be a sanctimonious prick who thinks you're better than everyone else who hasn't made the same choices you have.

While I do believe our educational system has serious problems, I'm not convinced that reading Aristotle, Socrates, Plato, Cicero, and Thomas Aquinas in their original Latin and Greek is necessarily the answer to those problems. I have no idea if that is what the author of your book advocates but considering you mentioned critical thinking and logic then I am assuming you believe the trivium should be taught.

Fine, that is your opinion. While I have no problem with that, I don't necessarily believe it is the answer to our problems and I damn sure do not believe that not being exposed to the trivium means that you are not being educated.

The very fact that kids all over this country are being courted by, attend, and graduate from universities in this country globally considered to be the best in the world proves that it is possible to get an education in the public school system. It's not Russia or Australia the best of the best students in the world flock to in order to get a higher education, it's the United States - and American kids are right there with them. I stand by my statement that no matter what type of education system one has it is meaningless if parents do not take an active role and force their kids to do their homework and study.

But hey, as long as you know better. And frankly, I don't care, but then just don't come here, or elsewhere, and lecture people on "what's wrong w/ our nation" if you're not even willing to step up to the plate and bite off the piece(s) that you have control over to limit the tyrannical power/authority that is the reason for "what's wrong w/ our nation."

First of all, I didn't give a lecture, I gave my opinion as I see it. Second of all, I will come here or any other place and give that opinion any time I see fit and fuck you if you don't like it. Got it? Put me on your bozo filter if you don't like what I have to say but don't dare think you can tell me what I can and cannot say. I don't know who the fuck you think you are asshole but I'm not here to please you.

Otherwise, this just in, there's more people than you that are affected by such decisions. Then again, this is America, land of the self-absorbed too, so in that way, hey, what difference does it make I suppose one can argue.

My wife and I do what we determine is best for OUR family. I don't give two shits if our decisions piss you off or if our decisions negatively affects those of you who choose to home school. You are no one to me and have no bearing on my life. If looking out for the welfare of our family makes us self-absorbed in your eyes then so be it. I don't care.

Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown

Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2012-05-04   13:39:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#22) (Edited)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

America: Israel's Handmaiden

Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-05-04   19:50:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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