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Title: You'll Feel Differently About George Zimmerman And The Trayvon Martin Shooting After You Read This
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://www.businessinsider.com/geor ... trayvon-martin-shooting-2012-4
Published: Apr 26, 2012
Author: Henry Blodget
Post Date: 2012-04-26 09:15:33 by Ada
Keywords: None
Views: 525
Comments: 53

Reuters' Chris Francescani has written a detailed article that paints a far more sympathetic portrait of George Zimmerman than most media coverage to date.

Francescani visited the Twin Lakes neighborhood in Sanford, Florida where Zimmerman shot unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin in February.

He talked to many residents of the neighborhood, who provided details about Zimmerman and a recent crime spree that had plagued the neighborhood in the months before the shooting.

The George Zimmerman that Francescani describes is quite different from the "delusional racist vigilante" that many have made him out to be.

The background information doesn't make what happened any less tragic, but it does provide more color about Zimmerman's behavior.

Here are some of the details that Francescani reports:

Zimmerman grew up in a mixed-race household

He was an altar boy at his Caltholic church from age 7-17 He is bilingual

After he finished high school, he studied for and got an insurance license

In 2004, Zimmerman and a black friend opened an Allstate insurance office (which soon failed)

Zimmerman's 2005 arrest for "resisting arrest, violence, and battery of an officer" occurred after he shoved an under-cover alcohol control agent at a bar when the agent was trying to arrest an underage friend of his

Zimmerman married his wife, Shellie, in 2007. They rented a house in Twin Lakes. Twin Lakes is about 50% white, 20% Hispanic, and 20% black.

In 2009, Zimmerman enrolled in Seminole State College

In the fall of 2009, a pit bull broke free twice and once cornered Shellie in the Zimmermans' yard. George Zimmerman asked a police officer whether he should buy pepper spray. The cop told him pepper spray wasn't fast enough and recommended that he get a gun.

By the summer of 2011, Twin Lakes "was experiencing a rash of burglaries and break-ins." In several of the cases, witnesses said the robbers were young black men

In July 2011, a black teenager stole a bicycle off the Zimmermans' porch

In August of 2011, a neighbor of the Zimmermans, Olivia Bertalan, was home during the day when two young black men entered her house. She hid in a room upstairs and called the police. When the police arrived, the two men, who had been trying to take a TV, fled. One of them ran through the Zimmermans' yard. After the break-in, George Zimmerman stopped by the Bertalans and gave Olivia a card with his name and number on it. He told her to visit his wife Shellie if she felt unsafe. The police recommended that Bertalan get a dog. She moved away instead. Zimmerman got a second dog--a Rottweiler.

In September, several concerned residents of the neighborhood, including Zimmerman, asked the neighborhood association to create a neighborhood watch. Zimmerman was asked to run it.

In the next month, two more houses in the neighborhood were robbed. A community newsletter reminded residents to report any crimes to the police and then call "George Zimmerman, our captain."

On February 2, 2012, Zimmerman spotted a young black man looking into the windows of a neighbor's empty house. He called the police and said "I don't know what he's doing. I don't want to approach him, personally." The police sent a car, but by the time they arrived, the man was gone.

On February 6th, another house was burglarized. Witnesses said two of the robbers were black teenagers. One, who had prior burglary convictions, was soon caught with a laptop stolen from the house.

Two weeks later, Zimmerman spotted Travyon Martin and called the police. The last time he had done this, the suspect got away. This time, he disregarded police instructions and followed. A few minutes later, Martin was dead.

Again, none of this makes Trayvon Martin's death any less tragic. But doesn't it make you feel a bit differently about Zimmerman?

Read Chris Francescani's article here >

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/g...ting-2012-4#ixzz1t9Sbubpd

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#12. To: Ada (#0)

Again, none of this makes Trayvon Martin's death any less tragic. But doesn't it make you feel a bit differently about Zimmerman?

Not at all.

How anyone feels about zimmerman is irrelevant.....

I simply find it hard to believe that a grown man with a handgun, who was following a 17 year old kid, at night in the rain, was simply defending himself. and did nothing to provoke a fight.

I also find it hard to believe that in an altercation where one man has a handgun, and the other does not...... that the armed man would be begging for his life.

What seems plausible to me, and is my opinion only - is that zimmerman followed martin through the complex, in the rain, at night, and confronted him with a handgun.

Martin, instead of retreating, chose to stand HIS ground and fight. In the struggle to save his own life, he bloodied his attacker's nose and caused him a minor head wound while struggling on the pavement. Zimmerman then gained the advantage and trained his weapon on the boy's chest. Martin ,realizing that his attacker meant to do far more than scare him off and inflict some pain - now understands that his only chance to survive is to plead with this man for his life........

his final words are heard on the 911 recording - he is begging for his attacker to not pull that trigger.......

but, ultimately, zimmerman rejects the unarmed boy's tearful request.....

and executes Trayvon Martin with a single blast to the chest.

This is my opinion only.

Jameson  posted on  2012-04-26   21:31:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Jameson (#12)

his final words are heard on the 911 recording - he is begging for his attacker to not pull that trigger.......

You heard wrong. The cries were for help, never once was the person yelling out and begging for his life. You are assuming it was the 17 year old yelling when there were eyewitnesses that have said it was Zimmerman yelling and was on the ground with Trayvon on top of him. Your assumptions are crazy. No one seeks to kill someone especially when they are in no danger and have no history of doing any thing like this.

RickyJ  posted on  2012-04-26   21:52:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: RickyJ (#14)

. Your assumptions are crazy

You are welcome to your opinion.

However, I remain unconvinced that the man with the handgun screamed for "help" moments before he executed an unarmed 17 year old.

" No one seeks to kill someone especially when they are in no danger "

In no danger? of course he was in danger - the kid zimmerman was trying to intimidate actually stood up for himself and fought back!

That is indeed a dangerous scenario for an armed bully to face, wouldn't you agree?

Jameson  posted on  2012-04-26   22:03:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Jameson, RickyJ, titorite, Jethro Tull, Eric Stratton, Artisan, all (#15)

. Your assumptions are crazy

You are welcome to your opinion.

However, I remain unconvinced that the man with the handgun screamed for "help" moments before he executed an unarmed 17 year old.

" No one seeks to kill someone especially when they are in no danger "

In no danger? of course he was in danger - the kid zimmerman was trying to intimidate actually stood up for himself and fought back!

That is indeed a dangerous scenario for an armed bully to face, wouldn't you agree?

You are ASSuming a lot things that are not in evidence.

However, I remain unconvinced that the man with the handgun screamed for "help" moments before he executed an unarmed 17 year old.

Your position ASSumes that Zimmerman was itching to kill someone and yet there is nothing in his history to suggest he held that kind of attitude - in fact his history of helping others points in the opposite direction.

As well you are assuming he approached Trayvon with a drawn gun. There is nothing to support that in any of the accounts I have read.

It is just as possible that an overly aggressive black kid attacked an armed man, whom he did not realize was armed because the gun was holstered out of sight, and that man was overwhelmed by the young thug and was screaming for help.

How the gun came to be drawn and discharged is indeterminate from the existing evidence in the public record.

In no danger? of course he was in danger - the kid zimmerman was trying to intimidate actually stood up for himself and fought back!

And you know this to be true how?

It is just as easy to assume that the kid attacked Zimmerman because he had an attitude problem. Something which is in evidence because the kid had already been kicked out of school for attacking someone.

However, I am NOT a Zimmerman apologist my position as I told another "Poooooooor Innocent Trayvon" advocate is that there is insufficient evidence to conclude one way or the other.

Jumping to conclusions based upon unsupported assumptions is logically unsound.

All of the Trayvon advocates all seem to have one common assumption, which is unsupported, in their reasoning. They assume that Zimmerman was looking for a fight and wanted to kill someone, and there is NO, NONE, ZERO, NADA, evidence to support that.

Further is the implied premise that Zimmerman was a "rayciss" and that is also NOT IN EVIDENCE. The evidence, based upon his history and upbringing, is exactly the opposite.

While it is possible that Zimmerman did execute the kid there is NOTHING in the existing evidence which clearly supports that, and all of the assumptions about Zimmerman's attitudes and supposed "ray-cism" have been shown to not have any support in his historical behavior.

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-04-27   0:28:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Original_Intent (#18)

and yet there is nothing in his history to suggest he held that kind of attitude - in fact his history of helping others points in the opposite direction.

HERE original intent...

articles.orlandosentinel....ons-documents-injunctions

This is the link to Zimmermans past criminal record... as you read it you might notice similarities to his current situation.

Granted it only goes over how he deals with the female species.

After that , their is this

"RESISTING OFFICER WITH VIOLENCE BATTERY ON LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER "

www.democraticunderground.com/1002478618

So what we have here is a man that is willing to attack women and cops...

That is a history of violence right there.

Not sure if you have read over it all.... The poster at the second link seems to of done a good job... he has more links too.

Zimmerman had a past before this thing. That past does not reflect well on his current situation.

titorite  posted on  2012-04-27   3:11:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: titorite (#19)

Except again we run into conflicting data.

In the case of the restraining order he also filed one against her and BOTH were granted. As well while they are often justified restraining orders are also used as tools of revenge against former lovers by some women.

As for the cop situation he pushed an undercover cop who was arresting an underage friend in a bar. His action was, from his perspective, in defense of a friend. So, here again the data cuts both ways and is not absolutely applicable to this particular situation.

And as even some in the media have begun pointing out the initial media feeding frenzy of trying to paint Zimmerman as a WHITE hispanic Ray-Ciss does not hold up all that well when his full background is looked at.

So, again we are confronted with conflicting data.

The axiom from logic that I apply in such situations is: "When one is presented with two mutually contradictory datums the first thing one can know is that one or both are false." And it takes more data to resolve the conflict.

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-04-27   3:29:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Original_Intent (#20)

As for the cop situation he pushed an undercover cop who was arresting an underage friend in a bar. His action was, from his perspective, in defense of a friend.

Man... did you just write that?

Zimmerman was in a bar , he knew his buddy was underage. A crime. ONe he damn well knew and helped perpetuate. .... And did he talk it out? NO!

HE FOUGHT A COP!!!! WHEN HE KNEW HE WAS GUILTY!

http://www.news-journalonline.com/news/local/west-volusia/2012/03/22/was-sanford-shooter-a-vigilante-or-good-neighbor.html

(lib media but it has the paragraph)

"""In 2005, Zimmerman was charged with resisting arrest with violence. State alcohol agents said Zimmerman pushed them while they were arresting a friend of his during an underage drinking operation at a bar. Zimmerman avoided a conviction by going into a pretrial program that is offered to people with no prior arrests. """

I don't know man....

I am all for being neutral but you're talking about disregarding facts of the mans history based on....

Based on what exactly?

The man has a history... not of one singular event but many many events... including some minor traffic violations... which are normally of no consequence.... HOWEVER when on deferred adjudication even minor traffic offences are cause to be called back into court. WHich he wasn't....

OI.... him being white or mexican... the kid being black... these are not details to the case. TO me at least. The way the system their is behaving.... It is not like any case in any state I have had experience with... and I have had too much experience from my mispent youth.

His case.....

FUCKING SHIT!

IDK know what to say man... it is irregular.

The audio/voice experts confirming it was not Zimmerman begging for help... the past criminal history of zimmerman, his favouritism by the system, .........

THE 30 SECONDS OF BEGGING FOR LIFE.

Please listen to it OI...

One can determine a few things from it....

first of all one can determine that Zimmerman was in total control and Martin was at his mercy... so much at his mercy that he begged... and I don't mean nice begging, I mean cold on the ground snivelling , crying , do not put this man on the front line, cowardly begging.

oaf

rough stuff.

Point being... The begging went on and on.... That means .....OK OI this is presumption... however, it should mean..... that level of snivelling..that length of time... More than likely Zimmerman had the gun drawn on him and held it.

And thought.

And held it.

and considered.

Trayvon begged like a bitch.

Like a bitch at his total and complete mercy.

Zimmerman did not show mercy or civility. Zimmerman shot him dead when he did not need too...

Listen to the 911 audio enough and it becomes evident...

He had him... regardless of what happened he had him... he had him begging and crying and snivelling... snivelling for fucks sake. Zimmerman had martin at his mercy totally and in full. He could ordered that boy to do anything at that point. Anything. Instead he shot him..... then he was not arrested.

No.

The cop that wanted him on manslaughter should of been listened too. Zimmerman might of gotten off if that had happened. The whole situation...

It shines a light on enforcement and judiciary...

NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT THAT!!!!

FUCK THE NIGS AND SPICS

FUCK THE CASE!!! JESUS FUCKING CHRIST WHY WONT ANYONE LOOK AT THAT!!!!!

The dick heads daddy is a judge.... the dick head has a past... not a minor past but a growing and extensive past.

Oh girls are jealous..

Oh the cop picked on his underage buddy.

Oh it is just a minor violation on probation.

Oh Zimmerman didn't do anything all that bad before he murdered that boy in self defence ..

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH]

ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!!!

IF this was somebody else their would not be a debate.... he would of been arrested on night one charged on night one and forgotten about on night one. But he is a judges son..

He has done this kind of shit before.....

Why are people excusing his past misdeeds... yeah sure fine , he helped a black lady cross the road... great... who gives a shit about race..!!!! Fuck race cards.... The fucker has a history and this is just how jeffery dahmer the animal mutilator graduates into jeffery dahmer the serial killer... this is how criminals act..... they start small... get away with it a few times and go on to bigger and better thrills.

OMG I do not get it... I dont...

OFrgive me Original intent....

I respect the stance of neutrality.

I can understand not wanting to express a judgement preferring instead to wait on the courts judgement.....

What I can not understand is the total dismissal of the facts against Zimmerman...

Seriously the dude has a plethora of previous events mingled with questionable aspects of this current event and the defenders just overlook whatever is inconvenient to Zimmermans being a hero of some kind..... AHHHHHHHH

The fuck head has been arrested.... it only took over a month.

Let the courts figure it out..

titorite  posted on  2012-04-27   5:07:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: titorite (#22)

Let the courts figure it out..

Why don't you follow your own advice and let the courts figure it out? You have made up your prejudiced mjnd that Zimmerman is guilty. Are you a brother crying like jessee and sharpton?

ambi  posted on  2012-04-27   12:37:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: ambi (#25)

Let the courts figure it out..

Why don't you follow your own advice and let the courts figure it out? You have made up your prejudiced mjnd that Zimmerman is guilty. Are you a brother crying like jessee and sharpton?

You may not know this but I assure you that I am not a member of that jury. That said I am still allowed my own opinion on the matter as you are....

I for one just can not figure out why so many are defending Zimmerman... It's just like all those gay black men swearing Michal Jackson was not a paedophile or that OJ really was innocent... Bullshit. but oh well such is life. I will retain my opinion just as the courts retained their judgments.

titorite  posted on  2012-04-27   14:39:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: titorite (#26)

I will retain my opinion just as the courts retained their judgments.

You remind me of the juror played by Lee J Cobb in the movie 12 Angry Men who was so prejudiced and insisted he had a right to his opinion. I see a low IQ at play here!

ambi  posted on  2012-04-27   15:43:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: ambi (#29)

I will retain my opinion just as the courts retained their judgments.

You remind me of the juror played by Lee J Cobb in the movie 12 Angry Men who was so prejudiced and insisted he had a right to his opinion. I see a low IQ at play here!

Maybe stop looking in the mirror?

I say again I am not a juror in this case.

I have an opinion... Maybe that makes me an asshole in your opinion.

Don't care. I express my views on the subject matter but in reality the expression of my views here will have nil impact on the case over there.

titorite  posted on  2012-04-27   15:57:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#37. To: titorite (#31)

I have an opinion... Maybe that makes me an asshole in your opinion.

No one thinks that you're an asshole, titorite.

You have accepted certain premises with regard to Zimmerman's history and actions that some here feel are legitimately in dispute.

I would recognize that whatever bonehead things Zimmerman may have done in the past as not dispositive of what went on that fatal day. His displays of aggression and relationship problems are not likely to come into play in a judgement except insofar as they may enter into considerations of motive. In any event, there are witness and hopefully the residents of Twin Lakes that were there that day will supply testimony that will establish the facts and the motive for the shooting.

Whatever Zimmerman's personal history, those facts have as little bearing on establishing just what transpired as does the fact that Martin was caught in school with contraband that included burglar tools. What we feel about Zimmerman or Martin is irrelevant. What's important is understanding exactly what happened on the rainy evening when Zimmerman shot Martin.

I, for one, am content to wait it out and read the testimony as it comes in.

randge  posted on  2012-04-27 18:12:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: titorite (#31) (Edited)

I have an opinion... Maybe that makes me an asshole in your opinion.

Asshole is too strong, dupe is accurate. [Sarcasm]

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