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Title: FDA may let patients buy drugs without prescriptions
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URL Source: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news ... rescriptio/?page=all#pagebreak
Published: Apr 30, 2012
Author: Paige Winfield Cunningham
Post Date: 2012-04-30 10:36:42 by Jethro Tull
Keywords: None
Views: 224
Comments: 18

In a move that could help the government trim its burgeoning health care costs, the Food and Drug Administration may soon permit Americans to obtain some drugs used to treat conditions such as high blood pressure and diabetes without obtaining a prescription.

The FDA says over-the-counter distribution would let patients get drugs for many common conditions without the time and expense of visiting a doctor, but medical providers call the change medically unsound and note that it also may mean that insurance no longer will pay for the drugs.

“The problem is medicine is just not that simple,” said Dr. Matthew Mintz, an internist at George Washington University Hospital. “You can’t just follow rules and weigh all the pros and cons. It needs to be individualized.”

Under the changes that the agency is considering, patients could diagnose their ailments by answering questions online or at a pharmacy kiosk in order to buy current prescription-only drugs for conditions such as high cholesterol, certain infections, migraine headaches, asthma or allergies.

By removing the prescription requirement from popular drugs, the Obama administration could ease financial pressures on the overburdened Medicare system by paying for fewer doctor visits and possibly opening the door to make seniors pay a larger share of the cost of their medications.

The change could have mixed results for non-Medicare patients. Although they may not have to visit a doctor as often, they could have to dish out more money for medications because most insurance companies don’t cover over-the-counter drugs.

“We would expect that out-of-pocket costs for insured individuals, including those covered by Medicare, would be increased for drugs that are switched from prescription to OTC status,” said Dr. Sandra Adamson Fryhofer, who testified last month on behalf of the American Medical Association in an FDA-held public hearing.

Pharmacists and doctors have lined up on opposite sides of the issue. Often trying to combat a public perception that downplays their medical training, pharmacists embrace the notion that they should be able to dole out medication for patients’ chronic conditions without making them go through a doctor.

“We think it’s a great development for everybody — for pharmacists, for patients and the whole health care system,” said Brian Gallagher, a lobbyist for the American Pharmacists Association. “The way we look at it is there are a lot of people out there with chronic conditions that are undertreated and this would enable the pharmacists to redirect these undertreated people back into the health care system.”

Medical providers urged caution, saying the government should not try to cut health care costs by cutting out doctors.

“What the government via the FDA has decided to do is just bypass the expensive doctor and to satisfy some safety concerns of letting people just pick out their medications is make sure they have to get counsel by the pharmacists,” Dr. Mintz said. “I believe there is value to using pharmacists, but not at the expense of primary care.”

Although the FDA says more patients will be likely to obtain the drugs they need under the proposed model, Dr. Fryhofer questioned whether the agency has sufficiently proved that.

“The FDA has not offered any evidence establishing that it is safe, or patient outcomes are improved, when patients with hypertension, [high cholesterol], asthma or migraine headaches self-diagnose and manage these (or other) serious chronic medical conditions on their own,” she said.

Comments on the proposal are due by May 7.

FDA spokeswoman Erica Jefferson said the agency will issue a decision sometime after that but didn’t offer a more specific time frame.

“The agency is still reviewing the public comments and will make a determination on the best path forward once this has been completed,” she said.

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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

“The problem is medicine is just not that simple,”

What nonsense.

Mexico has had this system for years. The druggist can prescribe and sell you all medication other than narcotics without a prescription.

Pharmacists now must have a doctoral degree before they can practice their profession.

Doctors are scared to death that PAs, NPs and druggists are now moving in and destroying their gravy train and fiefdom called medicine.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-04-30   10:44:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Jethro Tull (#0) (Edited)

In a move that could help the government trim its burgeoning health care costs,

No, no, no. That first line should begin: In a move to increase profits for Big Pharma,

This isn't about trimming anything, but rather an increase in market share in tandem with multiple high priced drugs patent expiration that decrease profits.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-04-30   10:50:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

it also may mean that insurance no longer will pay for the drugs.

You bet.

It's a way to unofficially repeal prescription drug benefits.

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Searching... searching... searching
For his master who's long gone on

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-04-30   10:56:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Cynicom, JT, 4 (#1)

Yesterday at Walgreens I attempted to purchase their knock-off version of Claritin (10 tabs for $14) and they wanted photo ID for the purchase.

Eff you people!

Going to drugstore.com I ordered 150 tabs of the Wali-tin for $34 delivered to my front door.

As Cyni noted, MX, and most other sane countries, have it right on drug sales - if you can pronounce it and pay for it, you're good.

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Lod  posted on  2012-04-30   10:56:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: abraxas (#2)

No, no, no. That first line should begin: In a move to increase profits for Big Pharma,

Ab...

Last night I had company, one is family member that is a doctor and she is all for this. We discussed the law now requiring that all pharmacists must have a doctoral degree and that is NO REASON for not letting them prescribe medication and sell many that should not require a doctors prescription.

Further we asked the olde question, how many of your patients really need to see a doctor. I expected twenty five per cent, her answer was about ten per cent, the rest could have been taken care of by NPs, PAs druggists etc.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-04-30   11:23:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Cynicom (#5)

Maybe so, but my point is that this shift in policy is not for the benefit of the people but for Big Pharma. And even if/when it is pushed through, the American people will be charged ten times more than the same drugs are sold in Mexico.

Yes, I agree that people rush to the doctor when they do not need to do so.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-04-30   16:57:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: abraxas, lod, cynicom (#6) (Edited)

there was an article on lewrockwell last year about how "mexico is freer that you think." the author made a lot of good points. the only problem about buying drugs without an RX is that one might not realize what dosage is appropriate for the ailment. they will sell you the medicine, but do not tell you the dosage to take, because they dont want the liability. the MX government points out that its illegal to buy medicine without a prseciption in Mexico. Some pharmacies in mx do have a dr office attached, who you can choose to see so that they can recommend exactly whatever you may need.

in january i went to our lovely dentitst in mexico and i got 2 crowns, one filling, a mouth guard, 2 cleanings for $150 bucks total . one crown alone in the US costs maybe $1000 or more. for this price, one can take a nice trip to mexico including airfare and lodging, and dental work, and still come out ahead. :-)

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2012-04-30   17:13:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

The FDA says over-the-counter distribution would let patients get drugs for many common conditions without the time and expense of visiting a doctor, but medical providers call the change medically unsound and note that it also may mean that insurance no longer will pay for the drugs.

Translation: Big Pharma has seen a drop in revenue from these drugs as people turn increasingly to natural alternatives and therapies which are both less expensive and have no side effects.

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"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-04-30   17:18:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: abraxas (#6)

Maybe so, but my point is that this shift in policy is not for the benefit of the people but for Big Pharma. And even if/when it is pushed through, the American people will be charged ten times more than the same drugs are sold in Mexico.

Yes, I agree that people rush to the doctor when they do not need to do so.

See my note above, but basically, as is often the case, we are on about the same page. ;-)

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-04-30   17:19:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Artisan (#7)

because they dont want the liability.

I haven't seen any indication that Big Pharma cares about liability.

Each and every year more people die from prescription drug overdose and adverse drug combos than in traffic accidents or from all illegal drug deaths combined. It's an epidemic and liability seems to not be a concern. A person dies every 14 minutes from prescriptions in this nation.

Imagine if a street dose of heroin was killing more people than auto accidents~it would be a public safety issue......but scrips killing a person every 14 minutes is just "collateral damage" for Big Pharma profits.

I hope you had a lovely Mexican vacation. : )

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-04-30   17:23:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: abraxas (#10) (Edited)

I haven't seen any indication that Big Pharma cares about liability.

i was referring to the pharmacist, who doesnt want to recommend dosage to the patient. See article below:

http://www.salon.com/2006/06/01/mexico_drugs/ Few of these Americans have any idea that what they are doing is often illegal in Mexico; that may explain why in 2004, the number of Americans arrested for the crime nearly doubled, from 25 to 43 (in 2005, thanks in part to better publicity about the law, the number fell back to 26). Davis says the U.S. Consulate is unclear whether this spike in arrests happens because of a police crackdown, or simply as the result of the rising number of Americans crossing the border

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2012-04-30   17:40:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Artisan (#11)

Sorry, I misunderstood your point. : )

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-04-30   17:42:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: abraxas (#10)

I hope you had a lovely Mexican vacation. : )

we went to a beach at veracruz. only once back in the usa, did we get stopped at a warantless checkpoint where a goon asked 'where i was headed'. i didnt have any such intrusions in mexico. damn that pissed me off.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2012-04-30   17:42:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: abraxas, lod (#12)

Sorry, I misunderstood your point. : )

yeah i was just pointing out that in MX the pharmacist would probably know how much a person should take for this or that, but the pharmacist doies not recommend drugs or designate dosage. so if one simply has an ailment, and plans to go to mexico, they should see a doctor- its cheap- to get the recommendation. Or, if they already are taking medicine in the usa, then they presumably already know what dosage to take.

i just didnt want readers to be under the mistaken impression that mexican pharmacies do something that they do not do.

if one is buying medication in mexico, the internet may be helpful in determining the dosage. BUT, foreigners need be very careful to have a prescription for any drug in mexico which they buy. look up the case of dawn wilson, an american woman who was imprisoned in mexico for a very long time after she was stopped by mexican police with medication without the prescription. Her story is definitely an unusual and unlikely case, but still.

www.10news.com/news/399442 4/detail.html Wilson and Kennedy live part time on a boat near La Paz, Mexico. She was driving there when Mexican police stopped her and charged her for carrying unauthorized prescription drugs. She had purchased them at a Mexican pharmacy with an American, not a Mexican, prescription. "Once I was brought in, I was kept for my credit cards and my money," Wilson told 10News. The police charged $4,200 on her debit card. She was sentenced to five years. "(In the prison, there were a) lot of drugs, (a lot) of prostitution, no sanitation, no (flushing) toilets, no showers, no running water and cockroaches," Wilson said.


Thursday, Jun 1, 2006 05:00 AM PDT Bitter pills

Thousands of Americans buy cheap prescription drugs in Mexico. Some end up in squalid south-of-the-border prisons.

www.salon.com/2006/06/01/me xico_drugs/

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2012-04-30   17:58:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: abraxas (#6)

The doctors and their employers are just as guilty of "milking" the system as the drug companies.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-04-30   18:21:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Cynicom (#15)

When I was in Saudi, I was feeling kinda low and diagnosed myself with the crud.

Went to the pharmacy and ordered up a full bottle of penicillin and took the entire course of the antibiotic following the directions on the label. After about five or six days, I was feeling tip top. Cleaned it all out & never felt better.

Of course this is not recommended to do very often because as most of us know you can impair an antibiotics effectiveness by taking it too often, and you may be up a tree when you have something serious.

Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. - H. L. Mencken

randge  posted on  2012-04-30   19:01:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Cynicom (#15)

The doctors and their employers are just as guilty of "milking" the system as the drug companies.

Amen to that brother. They are all in cahoots. Doctors, hospitals,malpractice lawyers, big pharma, and insurance companies. They all know how to rapidly deplete a persons finances

ambi  posted on  2012-04-30   19:07:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: randge (#16)

Honest doctors will tell you they rely on pharmacists expertise with medications.

That is why they will soon be prescribing drugs, eliminating the doctor.

If we try to omit and cover all possible adverse conditions in the medical field the cost would even worse. Prohibitive.

The wealthy can afford the best of medicine, relax the rules so that the poor have some avenue of acess they can afford.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-04-30   19:12:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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