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Title: Rioting Spreads to 300 Towns in France
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Yahoo News
URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051107 ... u=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--
Published: Nov 7, 2005
Author: Angela Doland
Post Date: 2005-11-07 09:44:52 by Zipporah
Keywords: Rioting, Spreads, France
Views: 734
Comments: 56
PARIS - Rioting by French youths spread to 300 towns overnight and a man hurt in the violence died of his wounds, the first fatality in 11 days of unrest that has shocked the country, police said Monday. As urban unrest spread to neighboring Belgium and possibly Germany, the French government faced growing criticism for its inability to stop the violence, despite massive police deployment and continued calls for calm. On Sunday night, vandals burned more than 1,400 vehicles, and clashes around the country left 36 police injured, setting a new high for overnight arson and violence since rioting started last month, national police chief Michel Gaudin told a news conference. Australia, Austria, Britain, Germany and Hungary advised their citizens to exercise care in France, joining the United States and Russia in warning tourists to stay away from violence-hit areas. Alain Rahmouni, a national police spokesman, said the man who was beaten died at a hospital from injuries sustained in the attack, but he had no immediate details of the victim's age or his attacker. The man was caught by surprise by an attacker after rushing out of his apartment building to put out a trash can fire, Rahmouni said. Apparent copycat attacks spread outside France for the first time, with five cars torched outside Brussels' main train station, police in the Belgian capital said. The mayhem started as an outburst of anger in suburban Paris housing projects and has fanned out nationwide among disaffected youths, mostly of Muslim or African origin, to become France's worst civil unrest in more than a decade. Attacks overnight Sunday to Monday were reported in 274 towns, and police made 395 arrests, Gaudin said. "This spread, with a sort of shock wave spreading across the country, shows up in the number of towns affected," Gaudin said, noting that the violence appeared to be sliding away from its flash point in the Parisian suburbs and worsening elsewhere. It was the first time police had been injured by weapons' fire and there were signs that rioters were deliberately seeking out clashes with police, officials said. Among the injured police, 10 were hurt by youths firing fine-grain birdshot in a late-night clash in the southern Paris suburb of Grigny, national police spokesman Patrick Hamon said. Two were hospitalized, but the injuries were not considered life-threatening. One was wounded in the neck, the other in the legs. The unrest began Oct. 27 in the low-income Paris suburb of Clichy-sous-Bois after the deaths of two teenagers of Mauritanian and Tunisian origin. The youths were accidentally electrocuted as they hid from police in a power substation. They apparently thought they were being chased. About 4,700 cars have been burned in France since the rioting began and 1,200 suspects were detained at least temporarily, Gaudin said. The growing violence is forcing France to confront long-simmering anger in its suburbs, where many Africans and their French-born children live on society's margins, struggling with high unemployment, racial discrimination and despair — fertile terrain for crime of all sorts as well as for Muslim extremists offering frustrated youths a way out. France, with 5 million Muslims, has the largest Islamic population in Western Europe. President Jacques Chirac, whose government is under intense pressure to halt the violence, promised stern punishment for those behind the attacks, making his first public comments Sunday since the riots started. "The law must have the last word," Chirac said after a security meeting with top ministers. France is determined "to be stronger than those who want to sow violence or fear, and they will be arrested, judged and punished." France's biggest Muslim fundamentalist organization, the Union for Islamic Organizations of France, issued a fatwa, or religious decree, that forbade all those "who seek divine grace from taking part in any action that blindly strikes private or public property or can harm others." Arsonists burned two schools and a bus in the central city of Saint-Etienne and its suburbs, and two people were injured in the bus attack. Churches were set ablaze in northern Lens and southern Sete, he said. In Colombes in suburban Paris, youths pelted a bus with rocks, sending a 13-month-old child to the hospital with a head injury, Hamon said, while a daycare center was burned in Saint-Maurice, another Paris suburb. Much of the youths' anger has focused on law-and-order Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy, whose reference to the troublemakers as "scum" appeared to inflame passions. ___ Associated Press writers Emmanuel Georges-Picot in Paris, Thierry Boinet in Grenoble and Jan Sliva in Strasbourg contributed to this report. 
A firefighter extinguishes a truck in Cenon, near Bordeaux, southwestern France, Sunday night, Nov.6, 2005 on the tenth day of unrest. Vehicles and buildings were torched by youths in largely immigrant areas began rampaging after two of their peers were electrocuted last week at a power substation while hiding from police they feared were chasing them. (AP Photo/Bob Edme)
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#15. To: Zipporah (#0)
The chickens have come home to roost. You don't become French or German, or anything else, just by moving to a country and living there. That's a bunch of soft minded liberal bullshit. These people are too stupid to realize they've created a permanent underclass for themselves of people who are functioning as the beachhead of an invasion. It's not because the Muslims are evil, however our western culture and Islam are simply incompatible. PERIOD. It really is as simple as that. These immigration policies, in European AND the US are predicated on the false idea that all people are the same, want the same things, have the same expressions, goals, desires, beliefs, and can learn to all behave in the same manner. Real life does not work that way. The more dissimilar groups you introduce into a situation, the more trouble you will have. That's the reality.
These immigration policies, in European AND the US are predicated on the false idea that all people are the same, want the same things, have the same expressions, goals, desires, beliefs, and can learn to all behave in the same manner. Real life does not work that way. The more dissimilar groups you introduce into a situation, the more trouble you will have. That's the reality. I agree other than to say it's liberal bullshit.. its more than that.. People's loyalities don't change in a generation or two.. and with the advent of hyphenated Americans and with not making English the official language, it wont ever change.. look at Quebec.
That's exactly right, Zip. There are so many examples in the world, that for people to continue to support these insane immigration policies throughout the world - well either you wake up from the dream state or you conclude it's deliberate. I analogize these immigration policies to the neo-con thinking on Iraq. They had this fantasy based policy of thinking they could successfully invade a country, without knowing anything about what was really happening there, nothing about the culture, the religion, not even the language - and in a matter of a year or two, entirely change their culture from the autocracy they've known for countless generations, to a secular westernized form of govt. This is sheer fantasy based on nothing. No knowledge of history, human nature or even logistics. The same is true with these immigration policies - they're all based on some kumbayah fantasy that somehow people are going to land on our shores (or in France, or wherever) and just "become" whatever that culture is, instead of working at it and absorbing it literally at their mother's knee. You don't became ANYTHING just by moving somewhere, nor do you become that thing by working at some job - any job. You become it literally through generations of experiencing the same hardships and successes as the other people around you. I hate fantasy based thinking. It's so destructive and ultimately disrespectful of all peoples, including the ones they pretend to want to help.
Oh I dont think it's fantasy at all.. they knew EXACTLY what would take place and knew it would be a matter of time.. they understand human nature very well.. anything to keep there from being any cohesion.. or collectivism.. both their enemies..
I think that might be true of some of them, but I do think there are a lot of people who simply have these fantasy ideas about human nature and society. There are lot of people who are way too optimistic about what people are really like, especially in groups. I really DO think that many of the neo-cons did expect Iraq to turn magically into some kind of western secular society, and that many people in France, Germany - the US - etc., really naively believe that people can continue to immigrate here on masse and somehow become French, German, whatever through some magical process of osmosis.
#22. To: mehitable (#19)
Oh the average liberal .. I'd say you're right about that.. who I was referring to are the ones who pushed this .. who were behind the scenes.. they knew IMO exactly what would take place..
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#16. To: mehitable (#15)
The chickens have come home to roost. You don't become French or German, or anything else, just by moving to a country and living there. That's a bunch of soft minded liberal bullshit. These people are too stupid to realize they've created a permanent underclass for themselves of people who are functioning as the beachhead of an invasion. It's not because the Muslims are evil, however our western culture and Islam are simply incompatible. PERIOD. It really is as simple as that.
#17. To: Zipporah (#16)
#18. To: mehitable (#17)
#19. To: Zipporah (#18)
Replies to Comment # 19. I think that might be true of some of them, but I do think there are a lot of people who simply have these fantasy ideas about human nature and society. There are lot of people who are way too optimistic about what people are really like, especially in groups. I really DO think that many of the neo-cons did expect Iraq to turn magically into some kind of western secular society, and that many people in France, Germany - the US - etc., really naively believe that people can continue to immigrate here on masse and somehow become French, German, whatever through some magical process of osmosis.
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