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Title: Rioting Spreads to 300 Towns in France
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Published: Nov 7, 2005
Author: Angela Doland
Post Date: 2005-11-07 09:44:52 by Zipporah
Keywords: Rioting, Spreads, France
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Comments: 56
PARIS - Rioting by French youths spread to 300 towns overnight and a man hurt in the violence died of his wounds, the first fatality in 11 days of unrest that has shocked the country, police said Monday. As urban unrest spread to neighboring Belgium and possibly Germany, the French government faced growing criticism for its inability to stop the violence, despite massive police deployment and continued calls for calm. On Sunday night, vandals burned more than 1,400 vehicles, and clashes around the country left 36 police injured, setting a new high for overnight arson and violence since rioting started last month, national police chief Michel Gaudin told a news conference. Australia, Austria, Britain, Germany and Hungary advised their citizens to exercise care in France, joining the United States and Russia in warning tourists to stay away from violence-hit areas. Alain Rahmouni, a national police spokesman, said the man who was beaten died at a hospital from injuries sustained in the attack, but he had no immediate details of the victim's age or his attacker. The man was caught by surprise by an attacker after rushing out of his apartment building to put out a trash can fire, Rahmouni said. Apparent copycat attacks spread outside France for the first time, with five cars torched outside Brussels' main train station, police in the Belgian capital said. The mayhem started as an outburst of anger in suburban Paris housing projects and has fanned out nationwide among disaffected youths, mostly of Muslim or African origin, to become France's worst civil unrest in more than a decade. Attacks overnight Sunday to Monday were reported in 274 towns, and police made 395 arrests, Gaudin said. "This spread, with a sort of shock wave spreading across the country, shows up in the number of towns affected," Gaudin said, noting that the violence appeared to be sliding away from its flash point in the Parisian suburbs and worsening elsewhere. It was the first time police had been injured by weapons' fire and there were signs that rioters were deliberately seeking out clashes with police, officials said. Among the injured police, 10 were hurt by youths firing fine-grain birdshot in a late-night clash in the southern Paris suburb of Grigny, national police spokesman Patrick Hamon said. Two were hospitalized, but the injuries were not considered life-threatening. One was wounded in the neck, the other in the legs. The unrest began Oct. 27 in the low-income Paris suburb of Clichy-sous-Bois after the deaths of two teenagers of Mauritanian and Tunisian origin. The youths were accidentally electrocuted as they hid from police in a power substation. They apparently thought they were being chased. About 4,700 cars have been burned in France since the rioting began and 1,200 suspects were detained at least temporarily, Gaudin said. The growing violence is forcing France to confront long-simmering anger in its suburbs, where many Africans and their French-born children live on society's margins, struggling with high unemployment, racial discrimination and despair — fertile terrain for crime of all sorts as well as for Muslim extremists offering frustrated youths a way out. France, with 5 million Muslims, has the largest Islamic population in Western Europe. President Jacques Chirac, whose government is under intense pressure to halt the violence, promised stern punishment for those behind the attacks, making his first public comments Sunday since the riots started. "The law must have the last word," Chirac said after a security meeting with top ministers. France is determined "to be stronger than those who want to sow violence or fear, and they will be arrested, judged and punished." France's biggest Muslim fundamentalist organization, the Union for Islamic Organizations of France, issued a fatwa, or religious decree, that forbade all those "who seek divine grace from taking part in any action that blindly strikes private or public property or can harm others." Arsonists burned two schools and a bus in the central city of Saint-Etienne and its suburbs, and two people were injured in the bus attack. Churches were set ablaze in northern Lens and southern Sete, he said. In Colombes in suburban Paris, youths pelted a bus with rocks, sending a 13-month-old child to the hospital with a head injury, Hamon said, while a daycare center was burned in Saint-Maurice, another Paris suburb. Much of the youths' anger has focused on law-and-order Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy, whose reference to the troublemakers as "scum" appeared to inflame passions. ___ Associated Press writers Emmanuel Georges-Picot in Paris, Thierry Boinet in Grenoble and Jan Sliva in Strasbourg contributed to this report. 
A firefighter extinguishes a truck in Cenon, near Bordeaux, southwestern France, Sunday night, Nov.6, 2005 on the tenth day of unrest. Vehicles and buildings were torched by youths in largely immigrant areas began rampaging after two of their peers were electrocuted last week at a power substation while hiding from police they feared were chasing them. (AP Photo/Bob Edme)
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#16. To: mehitable (#15)
These immigration policies, in European AND the US are predicated on the false idea that all people are the same, want the same things, have the same expressions, goals, desires, beliefs, and can learn to all behave in the same manner. Real life does not work that way. The more dissimilar groups you introduce into a situation, the more trouble you will have. That's the reality. I agree other than to say it's liberal bullshit.. its more than that.. People's loyalities don't change in a generation or two.. and with the advent of hyphenated Americans and with not making English the official language, it wont ever change.. look at Quebec.
That's exactly right, Zip. There are so many examples in the world, that for people to continue to support these insane immigration policies throughout the world - well either you wake up from the dream state or you conclude it's deliberate. I analogize these immigration policies to the neo-con thinking on Iraq. They had this fantasy based policy of thinking they could successfully invade a country, without knowing anything about what was really happening there, nothing about the culture, the religion, not even the language - and in a matter of a year or two, entirely change their culture from the autocracy they've known for countless generations, to a secular westernized form of govt. This is sheer fantasy based on nothing. No knowledge of history, human nature or even logistics. The same is true with these immigration policies - they're all based on some kumbayah fantasy that somehow people are going to land on our shores (or in France, or wherever) and just "become" whatever that culture is, instead of working at it and absorbing it literally at their mother's knee. You don't became ANYTHING just by moving somewhere, nor do you become that thing by working at some job - any job. You become it literally through generations of experiencing the same hardships and successes as the other people around you. I hate fantasy based thinking. It's so destructive and ultimately disrespectful of all peoples, including the ones they pretend to want to help.
Oh I dont think it's fantasy at all.. they knew EXACTLY what would take place and knew it would be a matter of time.. they understand human nature very well.. anything to keep there from being any cohesion.. or collectivism.. both their enemies..
I think that might be true of some of them, but I do think there are a lot of people who simply have these fantasy ideas about human nature and society. There are lot of people who are way too optimistic about what people are really like, especially in groups. I really DO think that many of the neo-cons did expect Iraq to turn magically into some kind of western secular society, and that many people in France, Germany - the US - etc., really naively believe that people can continue to immigrate here on masse and somehow become French, German, whatever through some magical process of osmosis.
So you're saying that muslims are 'bent' towards terrorism? It's genetic perhaps as well since most muslims are related ..then is that possible?
Oh the average liberal .. I'd say you're right about that.. who I was referring to are the ones who pushed this .. who were behind the scenes.. they knew IMO exactly what would take place..
L'Intifada! In third world countries, rioters are shot. Peace is restored. All I want is a statement from Israel asking the French to show restraint and not contribute to the cycle of violence.
"I want the American people to know that our dreams are gone, our work was in vain. There will be no future for our children and our grandchildren in the new Iraq. The future is for the clerics. This is not the democracy we dreamed of. "--Dr. Raja Kuzai
I can't help but think back to the beginning of the Iraqi war when France refused to participate, and a lot of hatred towards France was generated by our media. Posters on FR were calling the French "cheese-eating surrender monkeys" and such, there was a lot of French bashing going on with some calls even to bomb France. And now this. For this to grow this big there had to be some planning, I'm thinking there is a revenge factor involved by people in the background pulling some strings.
So I'm not the only one thinking that.
Well, the neocons used a phony nationalism after 9-11. But the Bush Crime Family and all its hangers-on are committed 'ends justify the means' imperial globalists. It is amazing that the people did not immediately see through it. People WANT DESPERATELY to believe that Dubya is somehow "different" than his old man. There was and is no reason to believe that. Right before 9-11 he was on the verge of concludng a new amnesty deal with Vincente Fox.
In third world countries, rioters are shot. Peace is restored. All I want is a statement from Israel asking the French to show restraint and not contribute to the cycle of violence. LOL!! Lotsa luck.. Hmm I wonder if this is a war on 'old' europe? Provoking the immigrants to do the dirty work for them?
Posters on FR were calling the French "cheese-eating surrender monkeys" and such, there was a lot of French bashing going on with some calls even to bomb France. And now this. For this to grow this big there had to be some planning, I'm thinking there is a revenge factor involved by people in the background pulling some strings. I found it odd that several in the administration keep using the term 'old' europe.. why the hatred for 'old' europe other than France's refusal to participate in the war.. ?
The neocons think it would be better if we only had one ally. Two guesses, and Canada ain't one of them.
And I'm optimistic. See, I think you can be realistic and optimistic at the same time. I'm optimistic we'll achieve -- I know we won't achieve if we send mixed signals. I know we're not going to achieve our objective if we send mixed signals - gwbush
IMO, they don't need much to riot. After all, the French have left them alone, creating virtually self ruling enclaves where Sharia is big - the veil on women is enforced, movies, videos, dance clubs etc have been banned, "honor" murders ignored because of "cultural" sensitivities. And these riots and attacks on cops happened in the 90's, just not on this scale. Now, the whirlwind. Europeans may have to ask the Indians for advice on how to deal with a significant Muslim minority!
"I want the American people to know that our dreams are gone, our work was in vain. There will be no future for our children and our grandchildren in the new Iraq. The future is for the clerics. This is not the democracy we dreamed of. "--Dr. Raja Kuzai
I wouldn't be surprised if Germany is next on the list. They have a lot of Turks there, and since the borders in Europe were opened some years ago, lots of illegals from North Africa have migrated all over Europe. When I lived in Holland there were already a lot of north African muslims there, plus many Turks as well. I've heard the ones in Holland have become radical in these past few years too. There are some people very skilled at getting the masses to raise hell and I think this has all been planned out, I thought it odd that they used that term "old Europe" but I think now they had a good reason to come up with that term as they intend on destroying "old Europe".
Brigitte Bardot fined for slurring Muslims in book Agence France Presse English; 6/10/2004 Agence France Presse English 06-10-2004 Former French actress Brigitte Bardot arriving with her husband Bernard d'Ormale at a tribunal in Paris Former French actress Brigitte Bardot arriving with her husband Bernard d'Ormale at a tribunal in Paris to answer charges of provoking racial hatred in her book "A Scream in Silence". Bardot was fined 5,000 euros (6,000 dollars) by a Paris court for writing a book in which she declared disgust with her country's tolerance of Islam. Former French actress Brigitte Bardot was fined 5,000 euros (6,000 dollars) by a Paris court for writing a book in which she declared disgust with her country's tolerance of Islam. The judgement added to a number of previous decisions which have found the 69- year-old of provoking racial hatred in her expression of right-wing, xenophobic views. Bardot's publisher, Rocher, was also fined 5,000 euros for last year bringing out the book, "Un Cri Dans le Silence" (A Cry in the Silence). Bardot, who lives in the French Riviera town of Saint-Tropez, was not present for the verdict. Two civil rights groups, the Movement Against Racism and For Friendship Between People and the League of Human Rights, brought the lawsuit because of several passages in the book. One of the most incriminating sections read: "I am against the Islamisation of France! This obligatory allegiance, this forced submission disgusts me.... Our ancestors, the elderly, our grandfathers, our fathers have for centuries given their lives to push out successive invaders." The two groups which sued the ex-actress were each awarded a symbolic one euro in damages. A complaint over a tirade in the book against "mixing our genes" with non- European immigrants -- taken in context to mean Muslims -- was not upheld. In its verdict, the court ruled that Bardot had deliberately tried to draw a link between Islam and terrorism by mentioning the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States in a chapter on a Muslim holiday celebrated in France and elsewhere. It found that the book argued that "the presence of Muslims on French territory and only seem undesirable to the reader, who is ineluctably led ... to reject members of the Muslim community through hate and violence." France has Europe's biggest Muslim community, estimated at five million out of a total population of 60 million. In her defence, Bardot admitted in court last month that she may have been too direct in the expression of her views but she did not seek to hurt anyone. "It's my overall view of a society becoming completely decadent, where it's like mediocrity has become more important than beauty and greatness, where there are more dirty, badly kept people invading the world," she said. © Copyright Agence France Presse
You know what the difference between the US and a cup of yogurt is...? The cup of yogurt has an active, living culture. And do you know what the difference between the US and that same cup of yogurt 10 years from now...? the yogurt will still have an active, living culture.
"If they ever drained all of the bullshit out of your average bush-bot, you could bury what's left of him in a matchbox."
Very well stated. The result of the open border mob is on full display in France. Dirty bastards.
Nothing will be done until you see mini vans on fire and sobbing soccer moms fleeing for their lives. And even then, you can bet that the whatever is done will be the most absolutely wrong thing. Let the fools over here hide unarmed inside their gated communities. The rioters won't have to fire a shot...they'll just set the houses on fire and maul whoever runs out to escape the flames.
"If they ever drained all of the bullshit out of your average bush-bot, you could bury what's left of him in a matchbox."
And these riots and attacks on cops happened in the 90's, just not on this scale. Now, the whirlwind. Europeans may have to ask the Indians for advice on how to deal with a significant Muslim minority! Well it seems we're headed to the same here.. remember reading about the 60s riots? Well multiply that several fold..
Not just Germany.. I posted a link about muslim graves being desecrated in the UK so.. this is going to spread throughout Europe.. I know in Greece they have issues re illegals there as well.. it's everywhere and agreed its been well planned out..
First Death Reported as French Riots Head Into 12th Day Yes. The issues building up to the current riots in France reflect some of our country's immigration/border problems. Yes. The problem is global -- one of East vs. West. And it is spreading. No. The violence in France has more to do with religious/cultural differences than with government policies. No. France has historically unfair immigration policies and is getting what it deserves. 13.1% No. I don't care about anything French. Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld
Interesting.. thanks for posting this.
Not only beautiful, but smart too. If only the French had listened to Brigette instead of their loathsome politicians. I think it's too late for France, they should have closed their borders many years ago. The Intifada will, no doubt, spread to the other EUropean counties that have been stupid enough to allow such massive immigration. I think they're starting to understand the REAL price of cheap labor.
I think they should have asked these folks: Can you identify France on a map? I think the answer would have been enlightening.
It's a shame when a country runs out of balls before they run out of bullets. The obvious answer is to shoot these "rioters" and they'd calm right down. Then you deport as many as possible and tell those who were born there, that if you don't like it here, find some other country. YOU'RE NOT FRENCH (English, German, Dutch, American - whatever) and we don't give a shit about you. You won't be French for GENERATIONS - or at least until you've seen a couple of German invasions. And if you want to stay and continue to riot, there's a bullet for you too.
This is kind of interesting, I was at a friend's house tonight and the news was on FOX. They were talking about the rioting continuing in France, and they said there are fears it will spread into Germany. Well that didn't take long! I suppose the instigators are busy at work in Germany at this moment.
In other words, you can't be TRULY French until you've had your ass repeatedly kicked by Germans. There's a moral there somewhere...
The chickens have come home to roost. You don't become French or German, or anything else, just by moving to a country and living there. That's a bunch of soft minded liberal bullshit. These people are too stupid to realize they've created a permanent underclass for themselves of people who are functioning as the beachhead of an invasion. It's not because the Muslims are evil, however our western culture and Islam are simply incompatible. PERIOD. It really is as simple as that.
#17. To: Zipporah (#16)
#18. To: mehitable (#17)
#19. To: Zipporah (#18)
#20. To: Zipporah (#0)
#21. To: Phaedrus (#20)
#22. To: mehitable (#19)
I think that might be true of some of them, but I do think there are a lot of people who simply have these fantasy ideas about human nature and society. There are lot of people who are way too optimistic about what people are really like, especially in groups. I really DO think that many of the neo-cons did expect Iraq to turn magically into some kind of western secular society, and that many people in France, Germany - the US - etc., really naively believe that people can continue to immigrate here on masse and somehow become French, German, whatever through some magical process of osmosis.
#23. To: Zipporah (#0)
#24. To: Zipporah (#0)
#25. To: Jethro Tull, Zipporah (#12)
The global pot is being stirred by internationalists.
#26. To: Jethro Tull (#12)
#27. To: swarthyguy (#23)
L'Intifada!
#28. To: Diana (#24)
I can't help but think back to the beginning of the Iraqi war when France refused to participate, and a lot of hatred towards France was generated by our media.
#29. To: Zipporah (#28)
why the hatred for 'old' europe other than France's refusal to participate in the war.. ?
#30. To: Zipporah (#27)
#31. To: Zipporah (#28)
#32. To: All - we are next - its over BUT GOOD (#31)
#33. To: Jethro Tull (#12)
The antidote is nationalism, but given the dilution of the American culture, nationalism is a dirty word.
#34. To: orangedog (#33)
#35. To: Jethro Tull (#34)
#36. To: swarthyguy (#30)
IMO, they don't need much to riot. After all, the French have left them alone, creating virtually self ruling enclaves where Sharia is big - the veil on women is enforced, movies, videos, dance clubs etc have been banned, "honor" murders ignored because of "cultural" sensitivities.
#37. To: Diana (#31)
There are some people very skilled at getting the masses to raise hell and I think this has all been planned out, I thought it odd that they used that term "old Europe" but I think now they had a good reason to come up with that term as they intend on destroying "old Europe".
#38. To: Zipporah, Diana, All (#0)
33.1%
24.4%
16.2%
13.1%
#39. To: robin (#38)
#40. To: Jethro Tull (#32)
#41. To: robin (#38)
#42. To: Jethro Tull (#34)
#43. To: Zipporah (#28)
I found it odd that several in the administration keep using the term 'old' europe.. why the hatred for 'old' europe other than France's refusal to participate in the war.. ?
#44. To: mehitable (#42)
You won't be French for GENERATIONS - or at least until you've seen a couple of German invasions.
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#45. To: mehitable (#42)
Yep, those rioting are as French as Hugo Chavez. Screw them.
And if you want to stay and continue to riot, there's a bullet for you too.
#46. To: Jethro Tull (#45)
Euro Drops to Two-year Low After Rioting in France Escalates `The riots are spreading across France and into Germany and Belgium, bringing about huge adverse effects on the euro,'' said Michiyoshi Kato, a vice president of foreign exchange sales in Tokyo at Mizuho Corporate Bank Ltd., a unit of Japan's second-biggest lender by assets. ``Acts of violence will surely continue to weigh on the euro.'' Against the dollar, the euro dropped to $1.1762 at 9:58 a.m. in Tokyo, from $1.1805 late yesterday in New York, according to electronic foreign-exchange dealing system EBS. It traded as low as $1.1751, the weakest since Nov. 2003. The euro also slid to 138.52 yen, from 138.92.
...another beneficiary...
“kol Yisrael areivim zeh b’zeh"
#47. To: Eoghan (#46)
Who benefits?
Acts of violence will surely continue to weigh on the euro.
Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld
#48. To: Eoghan (#46)
Is it me? Why am I actually excited this mess is all coming to a head. Bring it on before I get too old (g)
#49. To: robin (#47)
Bill Gates just shorted the dollar, so he doesn't. I wonder what Soros has done recently?
Who benefits?
#50. To: Elliott Jackalope (#44)
I was kind of joking - but maybe not, lol. Pat Buchanan just wrote a wonderful column about what's happening in Europe and I think he explains the importance of a common shared culture and history better than anyone I've seen in such a long time. It should be a common sense thing - those whose fathers, grandfathers, and g-grandfathers, etc, have lived through common experiences, the same Depressions, fought the same wars, went through the same famines, the same plagues, speak the same language, have the same (general) religion, trace their political beliefs back to a common source, eat the same foods, listen to the same music - whatever - have a real bond that goes back generations. THAT'S what it means to be French, or German, or Italian, or Chinese - or anything. You can't magically acquire that just because you move somewhere else, or because your kids just happen to be born there. It takes work, and an act of will, and wanting to belong and assimilate and even after that - it still takes time and experience to actually melt into a melting pot. This idea that if people are only nice to each other and ignore all cultural and racial and religious differences everything will be fine is poppycock - human beings simply are not like that and never have been - and never will be.
#51. To: Jethro Tull (#48)
I'm glad to see it coming to a head too. I think it might still be remedied - with difficulty, but it's possible. AT least if we have the smallest modicum of common sense, we might learn the lesson of France here in the US before it's too late for "US". The great lesson that people need to learn is that THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS CHEAP LABOR. There are certain costs associated with labor that can be put off onto other sources - like the govt - but there are also unseen costs such as the yearning of a downtrodden people to make something of themselves or have a better life for their children. The people of Mexico (or Algeria, or wherever) don't want to have generations of their families cleaning other people's toilets or picking their grapes. They have aspirations too, and a socieity should NEVER adopt an immigration policy without that clear understanding that the immigrant providing today's cheap labor will have kids who will deeply resent their position in society if they are not able to make more of themselves. Frequently it may not be POSSIBLE for them to make more of themselves as realistically - the jobs and opportunities are limited. People always fight over scarce resources.
#52. To: Zipporah (#0)
Much of the youths' anger has focused on law-and-order NEOCON Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy, whose reference to the troublemakers as "scum" appeared to inflame passions,as it no doubt was calculated to do. ___
France's biggest Muslim fundamentalist organization, the Union for Islamic Organizations of France, issued a fatwa, or religious decree, that forbade all those "who seek divine grace from taking part in any action that blindly strikes private or public property or can harm others."
Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were the president. But I repeat myself.
#53. To: mehitable (#51)
Man, you make waaaay too much sense, mehitable. I totally agree.
The great lesson that people need to learn is that THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS CHEAP LABOR.
#54. To: Jethro Tull (#49)
Looks like that was back in January, so no telling where his money really is now. Besides, why would wealthy people announce where they are putting their $$? Robert Zoellick, defended Bush's deficit-reduction plans and blamed the U.S. trade gap on sluggish growth in Europe and Japan Zoellick is always good for a laugh. ``Unless we have a major change in trade policies, I don't see how the dollar avoids going down,'' Buffett said in an interview with CNBC on Jan. 19. Maybe it's all relative.
Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. – Donald Rumsfeld
#55. To: Steppenwolf (#52)
___ Agreed! And IMO this is to oust Chirac who of course is not a favorite of the neocons..
Much of the youths' anger has focused on law-and-order NEOCON Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy, whose reference to the troublemakers as "scum" appeared to inflame passions,as it no doubt was calculated to do.
#56. To: Zipporah (#36)
There are factors why I think this won't happen here. One, totally subjective, most of these rioters would LOVE to live here. More freedom and inclusion in society. Americans are rather amazingly tolerant. Two, there really are no huge ghettos of Muslims here. JerseyCity, Dearborn, but the living standards don't compare at all. Three, the illegals have no religious beef, being mainly Catholic. The danger in America is Islamism at the HIGHEST levels, the WH, Grover, CAIR etc. And at the lowest, in the prisons, tho that may be being corrected gradually, as Salafiwahhab Saudi educated imams are hopefully being phased out.
"I want the American people to know that our dreams are gone, our work was in vain. There will be no future for our children and our grandchildren in the new Iraq. The future is for the clerics. This is not the democracy we dreamed of. "--Dr. Raja Kuzai
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