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Title: Actually, Ron Paul Is Secretly Winning A Lot More Delegates Than You Think
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URL Source: http://articles.businessinsider.com ... egates-delegate-total-ron-paul
Published: May 2, 2012
Author: Grace Wyler
Post Date: 2012-05-02 18:10:05 by Ada
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Views: 400
Comments: 31

Mitt Romney may have all but locked up the Republican nomination with his victories in the East Coast primaries this week, but Ron Paul and his army of acolytes aren't ready to give up the fight just yet.

As the rest of the political world's attention shifts to the general election, Paul is still quietly amassing delegates at district and county conventions, and is now poised to take a real bite — or at least a big nibble — out of Romney's delegate total.

In just the last week, Paul locked up 49 delegates, including five in Pennsylvania and four in Rhode Island, two states thought to be firmly on Romney's turf. In Minnesota, Paul won 20 of the 24 delegates awarded at last weekend's district caucuses, an impressive sweep that guarantees that Paul will control a majority of the state's delegation at the Republican National Convention.

And despite staunch opposition from the state Republican Party, Paul took 20 of the 40 delegates awarded in Missouri last weekend, according to campaign chairman Jesse Benton.

In at least five other states — Colorado, Nevada, Iowa, Washington, and Maine — Paul has done remarkably well at county and district conventions, and his supporters are expected to win a big chunk of the RNC delegates at the state conventions later this spring.

"We are very pleased with the results," Benton told Business Insider. "We still have a long way to go, but we've done very, very well at the county caucuses and district conventions and that bodes well for our strength when we get to the state conventions. Now we need to keep our nose to the grindstone."

Even Rick Santorum, who earlier in the race accused Paul of shilling for Romney, acknowledged the Texas Congressman's impressive organization this week, telling CNN's Piers Morgan that "Ron Paul is working the delegates hard."

In a surprising twist, a lot of Paul's recent success can actually be attributed to Santorum's decision to suspend his campaign earlier this month. In many places, Santorum supporters have banded together with Paul organizers in an attempt to deny Romney delegates.

In Colorado, for example, Santorum supporters have bonded with their Paul counterparts over a shared skepticism of Romney's conservative values. Although the Colorado GOP won't select its RNC delegates until the state convention next month, Paul organizers have gotten many of Santorum's pledged delegates to commit to supporting Paul over Romney.

"In Colorado, there is a real anti-Establishment sense — they want to send a very conservative delegation to the national convention," Benton told BI. "We're fighting it out, and we think there are enough Santorum delegates that are sympathetic to Ron Paul who will come over to us."

In Washington, Santorum's county caucus organizer sent an open letter to his fellow supporters urging them to vote for Paul's delegates rather than Romney's.

Here's an excerpt of the letter, obtained by Business Insider:

Romney wants everybody to quit. Quitting may be his solution when his back is up to the wall, but it's not what we want from our leaders. Our country has it's back up against the wall! We need principled fighters and not a pretty boy in a suit. We nominate Romney and it's the equivalent of making him the starting quarterback because he simply looks good in the uniform. He's a defensive coordinators dream. The mere fact he wins in the same places liberals do in the general election says a lot.

At some point, and it might as well be now, people are going to reign back power from party leaders, unite and actually make something like a Paul/Santorum unity slate work. As I see it, it's the only way to balance power, restore it back to the people and take it away from big money.

Those against such an alliance, especially elected state delegates, might want to address future problems and complaints concerning government to the person in the mirror. I fail to see the logic in people not trusting such an arrangement that both Paul and Santorum's people have agreed to, yet they'll trust the same people running the party for years that have helped bring us to this junction in history.

That Santorum's supporters are taking a second look at Ron Paul rather than vote for Romney's delegates is an indication that the former Massachusetts governor still has major problems with his party's Republican base.

"The plurality of them just don't want to vote for Romney," Doug Wead, a senior advisor to the Paul campaign, told Business Insider. “A lot of people are upset that Romney has not reached out to them at all. [They feel like] 'Why in the hell should we support him when he’s not asking for our support or doing a single thing to get it."

Both Wead and Benton concede that it would be difficult — if not impossible — to deny Romney the delegate majority he needs to win the nomination. The goal now, Benton told BI, is "to win as many delegates as we possibly can."

"We want to have a strong, respectful presence that says 'We are here, we are are going to participate, and we are ready to talk about the party platform with you if you take our issues seriously," he said. "We're going to send a message that the liberty wing of the Republican party is strong, and that it isn't going anywhere."

The Romney campaign declined to comment on Paul's delegate wins. But if Paul continues his hot streak, the presumptive nominees might not be able to ignore the libertarian iconoclast and his army of delegates by the time the national convention rolls around.

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#1. To: Ada, Jethro Tull (#0)

, Paul is still quietly amassing delegates at district and county conventions,

Amassing?????

His supporters should be more interested in what action or non action Paul will take with Romney.

Odds??? Kisses and smoochies all around.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-02   18:16:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Cynicom, 4um (#1)

Odds??? Kisses and smoochies all around.

He won't back Romney. Should he he'd kill off his son's future, which would blow a hole in the theory some hold that says RPs 2012 run was solely for Rand's benefit.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-05-02   18:51:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Jethro Tull (#2)

Wet smoochies all around, Rand Paul will make a trip to the bank with a WAGON.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-02   18:58:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Ada (#0)

sing it for 'em, Ray.....

ive been there before....ill try it again...but as any, any fool knows.... that thees no. no way to wiiinnnnnn.. lmao!

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2012-05-02   19:05:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Jethro Tull (#2)

Lets see now, after smoochies all round, will the check be made payable this Nov. or four years fr0om now????

Would you settle for a Paul for Sec. of State or Defense????

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-02   19:12:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Cynicom (#5)

Would you settle for a Paul for Sec. of State or Defense????

I'd have a better chance for Sec. of State or Defense in a Romney administration than RP does. He's too olde for one, and too American for another. He'll bring his delegates to Tampa, get a prime time speech, and underscore his freedom message. Who, if anyone, picks up the torch after he departs remains is to be seen but try as u mite, u can't dismiss the youngins' that have caught the fever. That has been an eye opener for me.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-05-02   20:07:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Jethro Tull (#6)

That has been an eye opener for me.

You aint so young anymore.

You well know that in politics there is the show out front that goes on for the benefit of the rubes. Then there is the backroom where the power brokers make and break deals that never see the light of day.

In the case of Ron Paul, I would say a deal has or will be struck with Romney and pub power brokers. It stands to reason Jethro, if Ron takes a hike with his supporters, Obama is reelected. It will not matter one whit which one is President, so keep the rubes happy and ignorant.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-02   20:31:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Cynicom (#7)

In the case of Ron Paul, I would say a deal has or will be struck with Romney and pub power brokers. It stands to reason Jethro, if Ron takes a hike with his supporters, Obama is reelected

Egad, why would you think a Ron Paul supporter would vote for Romney, a man whose politics are antithetical to his/ours? Can you name anyone who would on this forum? That's the same silly notion the FReekers floated when they claimed Perot helped to elect Bush #41 because had he not run those Perot votes would have went to him. As we both know they were nuts....

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-05-02   20:43:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Cynicom, JT, 4 (#7)

This needs much traction - Gaskell is Willard's grandfather who fled with his three wives to MX back when -

The Mitt Romney Presidential Crux.

Call upon Mitt Romney now to either post Gaskell Romney’s US naturaliztion documents (or repatriated record) or George Romney’s US naturaliztion documents that he would have filled out and signed when he was 21 years of age, or withdraw from the presidential race as Constitutionally unqualified to take the oath of office of the presidency of the United States.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2012-05-02   20:53:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Jethro Tull, Cynicom (#8)

Hear! Hear!

I would never vote for either Obusha or Oromney. There is so little difference between the two that the differences are insignificant.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-05-02   20:54:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Jethro Tull (#8)

Egad, why would you think a Ron Paul supporter would vote for Romney,

Dont give "voters" too much credit for common sense when it comes to voting.

Look at the die hard white dems that voted for Obama the first time around. My son and his wife voted for Ron Paul in the primary and intend to vote for Romney in Nov. It is not even a matter of the lesser of two evils, rather it is that frustration of not having a choice that irritates them.

If Ron Paul were a sixth party candidate, that would be a choice and a sure loser but they would vote for him.

There are no hard and fast guidelines when it comes to voting, the system is corrupt, you either vote and become part of the system, or you stay home and feel good you have not been sodomized.

One either goes with the system opts out.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-02   20:56:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Jethro Tull (#8)

Jethro...

I often write about statistics used by bean counters after an election.

There are many people that vote...BUT REFUSE TO SELECT A PRESIDENT...

Here is a squib about such people in NV.

"It is important to realize that some people intentionally abstain. For example, the 2004 presidential election 3,688 Nevadans voted for "None of These Candidates" (Nevada is the only state that allows this option).

They had a "choice" and selected.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-02   21:06:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Cynicom (#11)

My son and his wife voted for Ron Paul in the primary and intend to vote for Romney in Nov.

Well I suppose your son and his wife are Republicans. Most Paul people tend to be libertarians.

I suggest we leave the words all and never out of political conversations since as you've proven people will do as they choose. But again, take a poll on 4um and see what you come up with. I'd rather O get re(s)elected so we can blame the collapse on the brother, but that's just me.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-05-02   21:08:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Jethro Tull, Cyni, 4 (#13)

I too would rather have the muslim than the mormon.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2012-05-02   21:11:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Jethro Tull (#13)

Well I suppose your son and his wife are Republicans

Wrong.

They do not wear any "party" label, never have.

When I started my political rabble rousing many years ago, the son was 16 years olde, at our public meetings he learned to stand up and vent his opinions. At that time we were supporting both dems and pubs, with the intent to oust the incumbents that had retired on the county payroll. We won, we elected a democrat and a republican.

He has no illusions about "party", that is for the rubes.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-02   21:16:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Lod (#14)

I too would rather have the muslim than the mormon.

Sir Lod...

It dont matter one whit.

They both take their orders from the same owners.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-02   21:21:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Cynicom (#15) (Edited)

Wrong.

They do not wear any "party" label, never have.

IMO, If they're about to vote for perpetual war and an ever increasing debt, they're worse than Rs, they're un-American.

EDIT: Oops, I forgot to add with their vote they're pledging fealty to Tel Aviv also.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-05-02   21:22:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Jethro Tull (#17)

IMO, If they're about to vote for perpetual war and an ever increasing debt, they're worse than Rs, they're un-American.

Indeed.

Perhaps someone can induce Ron Paul to run THIRD PARTY SO THEY MIGHT HAVE A CHOICE?

Ron insists on being a loyal republican, his record shows that, he was elected twelve times as a republican, I suspicion HE JUST MAY BE A REPUBLICAN AND WILL SMOOCHIE WITH ROMNEY AT THE CONVENTION.

Will Ron anoint Romney? I suspect so and I as a supporter would ask for my money back. They could call me RUBE.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-02   21:32:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Jethro Tull, cynicom (#17)

I too have a family member who said we need to vote romney because obama must be beat. I corrected them, but it goes to show. Most repubs WILL vote for romney, i believe. if u called them unAmerican retards, theyd be insulted & confused.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2012-05-02   21:40:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Artisan, Jethro Tull, cynicom (#19)

if u called them unAmerican retards, theyd be insulted & confused.

More than likely. The reliance upon Telebishion for their nooze and infotainment has left a large percentage of the populace operating upon false data, and when a person operates on false data they will draw false conclusions. That of course is the whole operating basis of our controlled media - control the information people receive and to the degree that false information is accepted people will draw the conclusions that have been predetermined.

The internet has made some inroads into that in that a lot more people are aware of the contradictory information, but most people have never been taught formal logic and principles of sound reasoning. So, even if they recognize something is not quite right they don't have the tools to sort through things and arrive at a valid answer. Some do it intuitively but the percentage who do have the ability to figure it out on their own without having studied, even indirectly, the basics of sound reasoning is small.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-05-02   21:55:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Artisan (#19)

The system is rigged so that the voter loses no matter who he votes for.

We have a choice, be a part of the corrupt system or join the 80 million non voters.

It is a lose, lose situation.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-02   21:56:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Original_Intent (#20)

Voting from Ike on, the vote I regret the most was the one for Bush Junior.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-02   22:02:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Original_Intent (#20)

The internet has made some inroads into that in that a lot more people are aware of the contradictory information, but most people have never been taught formal logic and principles of sound reasoning. So, even if they recognize something is not quite right they don't have the tools to sort through things and arrive at a valid answer. Some do it intuitively but the percentage who do have the ability to figure it out on their own without having studied, even indirectly, the basics of sound reasoning is small.

Thinking is all icky & stuff.

How 'bout that Uhmerikkan iDull last night? Wasn't it great?

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2012-05-02   22:12:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Original_Intent (#20)

that is a good answer. I hear so many people say that obama is the worst president ever. Personally ive never paid attention to the peice of trash because to me he's merely a puppet like all of them. and, the course of the country remains the same, gradually worse with each president. So, i dont think the people know exactly what theyre talking about when they claim that obama is worse than bush. ]

and in a lot of ways, bush is worse because he was a traitor to the ideals he espoused, pretending to be a patriotic conservative. that was infuriating to watch so many idiots be duped by him after 9/11.

i dont blame people for voting for him the first time, i did too. but after that? no way, no excuse. there was just too much proof of everything, even if one did not start out searching for it.

this doesnt mean i insult bush supporters though, because i know there is always hope. if a person has sincerity, morality and the discernment that God gave them, they will be open to the truth about our political predicament.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2012-05-02   22:16:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Original_Intent, Jethro Tull (#20)

Family members of major political figures..that endorsed Obama2008

Julie Nixon Eisenhower, daughter of Richard Nixon and wife of grandson of Dwight D. Eisenhower[875] Susan Eisenhower, granddaughter of former president Dwight D. Eisenhower[876] CC Goldwater, granddaughter of former Republican presidential nominee Barry

Too many people have forgotten this episode from back in 2008...

Anyone paying attention knew it was all over, the system had chosen Obama.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-02   22:18:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Esso (#23)

Thinking is all icky & stuff.

How 'bout that Uhmerikkan iDull last night? Wasn't it great?

Donut fergit' NASCAR it's un-Amurkin' to not watch NASCAR n' WWF n' Fuuboll n' drinkin' Bud n' Coors.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-05-02   22:20:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Cynicom (#25)

Too many people have forgotten this episode from back in 2008...

Anyone paying attention knew it was all over, the system had chosen Obama.

It was obvious with the selection of McNutz - a candidate that no middle of the roader would ever vote for, and O'bummer was getting such a huge amount of establishment money with no record to speak of, both factors made it clear that he was the annointed one.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-05-02   22:26:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Artisan (#24)

this doesnt mean i insult bush supporters though, because i know there is always hope. if a person has sincerity, morality and the discernment that God gave them, they will be open to the truth about our political predicament.

And I would add one more element - the courage to see the truth. It requires a willingness to look at and see evil and name it for what is. Sadly many people are deficient - they are so frightened that they will not even look and cannot bring themselves to see evil and name it for what it is.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-05-02   22:31:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Cynicom (#22)

Voting from Ike on, the vote I regret the most was the one for Bush Junior.

I am happy to report that I voted for neither Nixon nor either Bush. I don't recall who I voted for in preference to Bush the older, but I voted Libertarian on jr's first run and Consitution Part when her was fraudulently installed the second time.

I don't put people down for having voted for Bush The Lesser the first time, but it was obvious to this old Poker Player that he was a liar from square one.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-05-02   22:36:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Original_Intent (#29)

I have a manly saving grace, I voted for Carter cause he had a good looking wife.

Thats as good as any other reason.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-02   22:42:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Cynicom (#30)

I have a manly saving grace, I voted for Carter cause he had a good looking wife.

Thats as good as any other reason.

I think it's a good reason. The Steel Magnolia is quite a woman. I have to admit though that I voted for Ford because I thought he would be a good, stable, do nothing President, and that's exactly what I wanted.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-05-03   3:42:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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