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Title: Gundersen: Move south of equator if Unit 4 fuel pool goes dry, that’s probably the lesson there — Like cesium from all 800 nuclear bombs ever dropped on Earth, except all at once
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URL Source: http://enenews.com/gundersen-move-s ... dropped-earth-except-all-video
Published: May 5, 2012
Author: ene
Post Date: 2012-05-05 18:46:07 by tom007
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Gundersen: Move south of equator if Unit 4 fuel pool goes dry, that’s probably the lesson there — Like cesium from all 800 nuclear bombs ever dropped on Earth, except all at once (VIDEO)

Published: May 4th, 2012 at 7:20 am ET By ENENews Email Article Email Article 177 comments

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Follow-up to: Caldicott: If Spent Fuel Pool No. 4 collapses I am evacuating my family from Boston (VIDEO)

Arnie Gundersen Interview KGO Radio’s Pat Thurston April 15, 2012

Gundersen at ~25:00 in

There’s more cesium in that [Unit 4] fuel pool than in all 800 nuclear bombs exploded above ground…

But of course it would happen all at once.

It would certainly destroy Japan as a functioning country…

Move south of the equator if that ever happened, I think that’s probably the lesson there.

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#1. To: tom007 (#0)

If I can just win the lottery I have a nice little 5,000 acre spread picked out in Northern Patagonia. Lots of good freshwater fishing and in a sheltered valley.

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-05-05   18:48:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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Esso  posted on  2012-05-05   18:56:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Patagonia is different -

Number one difference that sets Patagonia apart from the rest of Chile, no one is in a hurry. I don't just mean a bit of “manana” attitude that is so common to much of Latin America and the rest of Chile. I mean in selling real estate in the Patagonia, sellers are willing to wait years and decades if needed for the price they want. They don't care what land is worth in the United States, Canada, Costa Rica, or even Argentina, and for the most part don't need to care.

The net effect is that it takes the teeth out of many of the most traditional negotiating tactics used by foreigners when buying real estate in the Patagonia. For example, you are not likely to get someone overly excited about an offer and have them make a hasty decision that might benefit you in a real estate decision.

That leads us to some important cultural notes on purchasing land or real estate in the Patagonia. Always remember when dealing with locals in the Patagonia, you need them more than they need you. Treat them with the respect they deserve. Buying real estate in the Patagonia is like applying to be member of the community. People often want to get to know you better, before starting negotiations. Don't just jump in to questions like “how much do you want for your land”. Stop, have some coffee, lunch, ask about their farm, the weather, their cows and sheep. Deals are given to friends in the Patagonia, not strangers. The reason this is so important in the Patagonia is because very few properties have "for sale" signs posted on them or will be listed with a real estate agent in Southern Chile. Luckily, most people are very friendly, and making friends is one of the few things that generally happens quickly in the Patagonia of Chile.

The number one rule to buying real estate in Patagonia or anywhere in Chile is take your time. Never rush. There will be plenty of property for sale, for many, many years to come. When in doubt, get professional assistance from people that know the Patagonia.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2012-05-05   19:12:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The Worst Yet to Come? Why Nuclear Experts Are Calling Fukushima a Ticking Time-Bomb

Esso  posted on  2012-05-05   19:32:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thanks. It always helps to understand the culture of an area. People are people but regions have mutual social agreements and if you violate them it can affect you for a long time. Having had the privilege of living in different parts of this country, and visiting others, has helped my viewpoint in understanding other people immensely. It always cracked me up overseas that the guys who whined the loudest about being in a foreign country never went any further from base than the Americanized local bar district. They never learned the culture, or the people. They cut themselves off from all of the pleasures of visiting a different land.

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-05-05   21:26:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yep, even on our first trip to Mazatlan (1978 honeymoon), it was easy enough to see how the term Ugly American came into use.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2012-05-05   21:57:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It won't go dry and they will eventually cover it up with concrete. Japan doesn't have a suicide wish.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2012-05-05   22:05:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yep, even on our first trip to Mazatlan (1978 honeymoon), it was easy enough to see how the term Ugly American came into use.

It's unfortunate in a way that America is relatively isolated - and most people do not even "get it" that they live an insular existence. The country is so large and many of its people rarely get outside its borders, and when they do they just assume that everybody else is the rube for not acting like an American. Different culture, different ethnics, and it just strikes me as good manners to learn something about the customs of where you are visiting. I really like Japan as the Japanese are a very civilized people. It was the only place I knew of where I could walk down an alley at 3 AM dead drunk and not have worry about getting rolled - except near the base when there was a stateside ship in port.

It cracked me up when I was in Australia - I stopped to get a coffee in a Mall and the waitress was Canadian - she was absolutely tickled to run into somebody from "home".

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-05-06   0:13:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It won't go dry and they will eventually cover it up with concrete. Japan doesn't have a suicide wish.

The problem is that the situation is very precarious. The spent fuel pool in Reactor Containment #4 is, as is standard with that design, above ground and is now held up by what is left of the structure and the small amount of shoring up they've been able to do. The pool in #4 poses a special problem in that it is not just the spent fuel from that one reactor. I forget without looking it up but there is over a hundred tons of rods in there, and the spent rods have higher levels of Plutonium than new rods. The radiation levels are so high that even with shielding they cannot get all that close as the suits are not enough. If that pool falls then Katy bar the door. Another heavy earthquake and it comes down. If it comes down Japan as a nation is done and the levels of radiation dispersed outward will be deadly for a lot of the Northern Hemisphere. Not necessarily immediately but over time as radiation exposure is cumulative.

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-05-06   0:22:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

They don't need to have any people get close to it to shore it up. They have robots to do the job. If they don't have the robots they need to do the job right now, I am confident they are working on getting them. Prayer will also help here. Japan is a world technology leader, they should be able to shore up the pools and keep them full of water, especially when their entire history as a race depends on it.

Also when they do finally get these reactors covered up I suspect they will seriously look at how this could have happened and what if any role Israel may have played in it. I do suspect sabotage could have coincided with the earthquake. The number one book in Japan before the earthquake was the protocols of the Elders of Zion. The Japanese as a people know more than any other nation about who really rules much of the world and just how evil they are. They are a significant threat to the cult of Judaism because they know the truth and they have the capability to be self sufficient and prosper. If they spread their knowledge of Judiasim to other nations then it won't be long before the world will turn against this cult. So sabotage of their nuclear plants during an earthquake which was bound to happen at some point in time in Japan because they have regular earthquakes there, is a significant possibility. There was after all an Israeli firm that had access to the Fukushima plant before the earthquake installing security cameras. I imagine that there was a bribe, offered to whoever gave them the contract to do this work, that was so tempting that it was taken. Japan of all nations does not need to hire foreigners to install security cameras.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2012-05-06   4:19:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Robots can't handle the radiation either. Nuclear power is the classic door that should never have been opened. There is no "safe" nuclear power. We have NO WAY of ever disposing of the waste safely. The truest words that exist in science is Murphy's Law: "What can happen will happen." If not at Fukushima, then at another or many other nuclear sites, it will happen.

I think it may have already happened. Last year I bought a pricy radiation detector to wear. It made a nice little chirp when detecting approximately once a day for months on end(got it right after Fukushima). Several months ago it started to chirp up to 10 times a day when we were getting solar flares. Then one day it was warm enough that I had my handymen scooping algae out of my pond with rakes(I think March when it was very warm) and the thing started chirping multiple times a minute until it died/fried. Never heard anything on the news, but it must have been thousands of times greater than normal background radiation. I can't do anything about it, so I never tried to replace battery. Hmmmm

octavia  posted on  2012-05-07   0:50:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I can't do anything about it, so I never tried to replace battery.

at this point, i don't think i want to know. that's pretty scary though. imagine what's going on with wildlife and we have no idea.

Three grand essentials to happiness in this life are something to do, something to love, and something to hope for.

christine  posted on  2012-05-07   1:17:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yea..Something happened. Good thing is, this year I have a bumper crop of frogs singing all night long. So the (sensitive) amphibians are OK. Maybe I need to count legs.

octavia  posted on  2012-05-07   1:54:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Would you mind telling me why robots that are shielded can't handle the radiation? The robots that went to the moon and mars made it through the van allen radiation belt without a problem.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2012-05-07   2:02:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The level of radiation coming out of Fukushima is intense - very intense. There have been readings as high as 10 Sieverts an hour reported. At that level it fries the electronics shielded or not as there is no shielding which will block enough of the radiation at that intensity.

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-05-07   4:07:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Several factors:

1. Robots silicon chips and software sensitive to radiation.

2. Operators need to be too close to robots.

3. Communication difficult when robots enter highly shielded buildings.

4. Technology is not perfected. Do they have time to reach perfection before TSHTF.

More:spectrum.ieee.org/automat...ma-robot-operator-diaries

octavia  posted on  2012-05-07   4:11:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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