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Title: Kelly Thomas video: Homeless man beaten as he cried for help
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URL Source: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lan ... en-as-he-cried-for-help-1.html
Published: May 7, 2012
Author: Richard Winton
Post Date: 2012-05-07 23:34:18 by wudidiz
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Kelly Thomas video: Homeless man beaten as he cried for help

May 7, 2012 |  6:56 pm

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On the ground and screaming that he’s “sorry,” Kelly Thomas is hit again and again with fists, a baton and finally the butt of a stun gun by Fullerton police officers in a dramatic video that was shown for the first time Monday in an Orange County courtroom where two patrolman are charged with murder and manslaughter.

The grainy black-and-white video, which includes audio from a recording device one of the officers wore on his belt, shows Thomas repeatedly being struck outside the Fullerton bus depot July 5.

Thomas died several days later.

PHOTOS: Kelly Thomas dies after run-in with Fullerton police

At one point, Thomas – a mentally ill homeless man who was a familiar face in the city’s downtown  – screams:  "Dad, they are killing me."

The video and the sound of fists and a baton connecting with Thomas were graphic enough that several spectators in the courtroom left and the judge paused the video at one point as people in the crowd groaned.

Two officers, Manuel Ramos and Jay Cicinelli, are charged in Kelly's death. Both have pleaded not guilty.

Monday’s preliminary hearing, which continues Tuesday, is being held to determine whether there’s enough evidence to order the officers to stand trial – Ramos was charged with second-degree murder and Cicinelli was charged with involuntary manslaughter.

Attorneys for the officers sought to portray Thomas’ subsequent medical treatment as the reason for his death rather than his violent encounter with police.

John Barnett. Michael Ramos" attorney, asked a fire captain and a trauma surgical chief whether doctors struggled to clear an airway when treating Thomas.

"The cause of death might be the treatment he got the hospital?" Barnett asked UC Irvine surgical trauma chief Michael Lekawa.

Lekawa testified that paramedics told him the staff at St. Jude Medical Center in Fullerton had struggled to get an air tube in Thomas but testified when he checked out the actual reports they indicated otherwise.

Under cross-examination, however, Lekawa acknowledged that he made prosecutors aware of the medical issues because "I wanted to make sure a police officer wasn't blamed for medical mishap at St.Jude's. I didn't want a police officer to be blamed..."

The video shown in court begins with Thomas being detained, uncooperative to a point at which officer Ramos appears to grow angry. "See these fists," the officer can be heard saying. "They're getting ready to f--- you up," he adds after putting on a pair of gloves.

A short time later, Ramos can be seen hitting Thomas with his baton and heard saying, "get on the ground."

Thomas repeatedly apologizes to Ramos and a second officer. "I am sorry, dude. I can't breathe, dude," Thomas says.

One of the officers can be seen kneeing the 37-year-old homeless man. "I cannot breathe, man," Thomas says on the video as Ramos tells him to relax.

Some of the struggle is obscured by a tree, but a Taser can be heard, apparently stunning Thomas, whose legs appear to wiggle. Thomas' voice gets lower and lower as the encounter continues.

"Dad, they're killing me," he says.

By the time the confrontation ends, Thomas is lying in a pool of blood. Officers appear to be examining  their own wounds as they stand near Thomas, who is handcuffed and on the ground.

"You are covered in blood, dude," one officer can be heard saying to another.

Cicinelli adds: "He is the one you're gonna need to look at."

--Richard Winton, reporting from Orange County


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#1. To: wudidiz (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

America: Israel's Handmaiden

Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-05-08   8:44:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: wudidiz (#0)

If people listened to Turtle the U.S. would be much better.

Fire 90% of the police officers, disarm the rest, arm all the citizens -- and crime will drop 90%.

“Arbitrary power is most easily established on the ruins of liberty abused to licentiousness.”

"And in the absence of thought or action by people of generally good faith, action by the more extreme and violent is assured."

Turtle  posted on  2012-05-08   13:05:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: wudidiz (#0)

Attorneys for the officers sought to portray Thomas’ subsequent medical treatment as the reason for his death rather than his violent encounter with police.

it was the attorneys clients that put him there in the first place


If either Moromney or Mammyjammyobammy win the November (s)election peoples with common sense will pray that December 21 2012 will indeed be the end of the world!

IRTorqued  posted on  2012-05-08   13:58:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: All (#0)

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"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz  posted on  2012-05-08   23:03:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: IRTorqued, Eric Stratton, Turtle, All, *Jack-Booted Thugs*, *Bilderberg and NWO Watch* (#4)

Fullerton Police 714-738-6800 tell them how you feel


"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz  posted on  2012-05-08   23:20:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: wudidiz (#0)

Couldn't bring myself to watch this yesterday. I knew that it would just ruin my day. Had to see what this was about, and man this is depressing. This country is full of mentally disabled people and we really don't know how to take care of them. So it falls to the cops when they're hanging out on street corners. Some of the cops are mentally disabled too.

Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. - H. L. Mencken

randge  posted on  2012-05-09   6:50:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: wudidiz (#5)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

America: Israel's Handmaiden

Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-05-09   8:43:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: randge (#6) (Edited)

Some of the cops are mentally disabled too.

That's a fact. I heard a story about someone the cops picked up once. He is dead now, so I doubt it matters much. But, here goes.

The cops picked him up once and were grilling him. He pulled a $50 out of his pocket and said, "I'd like you to meet my Uncle Ulysses." The cops took the $50 and dropped him at the next corner.

BTW, when James R. Thompson was Federal prosecutor for the Northern District of Illinois, he cleaned up most of the corruption on the Chicago P.D. As a thanks to him, they named the new State of Illinois building in Chicago after him.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2012-05-10   16:33:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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