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Title: Bad for America, Bad for Israel, Bad for the World (Dr. Ron Paul)
Source: antiwar.com
URL Source: http://original.antiwar.com/paul/20 ... -for-israel-bad-for-the-world/
Published: May 10, 2012
Author: Dr. Ron Paul
Post Date: 2012-05-10 08:12:53 by F.A. Hayek Fan
Keywords: None
Views: 1778
Comments: 134

Mr. Speaker: I rise in opposition to H.R. 4133, the United States-Israel Enhanced Security Cooperation Act, which unfortunately is another piece of one-sided and counterproductive foreign policy legislation. This bill’s real intent seems to be more saber-rattling against Iran and Syria, and it undermines U.S. diplomatic efforts by making clear that the U.S. is not an honest broker seeking peace for the Middle East.

The bill calls for the United States to significantly increase our provision of sophisticated weaponry to Israel, and states that it is to be U.S. policy to “help Israel preserve its qualitative military edge” in the region.

While I absolutely believe that Israel — and any other nation — should be free to determine for itself what is necessary for its national security, I do not believe that those decisions should be underwritten by U.S. taxpayers and backed up by the U.S. military.

This bill states that it is the policy of the United States to “reaffirm the enduring commitment of the United States to the security of the State of Israel as a Jewish state.” However, according to our Constitution, the policy of the United States government should be to protect the security of the United States, not to guarantee the religious, ethnic, or cultural composition of a foreign country. In fact, our own Constitution prohibits the establishment of any particular religion in the U.S.

More than 20 years after the reason for NATO’s existence — the Warsaw Pact — has disappeared, this legislation seeks to find a new mission for that anachronistic alliance: the defense of Israel. Calling for “an expanded role for Israel within the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), including an enhanced presence at NATO headquarters and exercises,” it reads like a dream for interventionists and the military-industrial complex. As I have said many times, NATO should be disbanded, not expanded.

This bill will not help the United States, it will not help Israel, and it will not help the Middle East. It will implicitly authorize much more U.S. interventionism in the region at a time when we cannot afford the foreign commitments we already have. It more likely will lead to war against Syria, Iran, or both. I urge my colleagues to vote against this bill.

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#2. To: Jethro Tull (#1)

While I absolutely believe that Israel — and any other nation — should be free to determine for itself what is necessary for its national security, I do not believe that those decisions should be underwritten by U.S. taxpayers and backed up by the U.S. military.

This is such a simple and well articulated point.

I agree with you.

However, being a cynic, I must look beyond the correctness of the statement, and ask myself, why has Ron Paul been reelected twelve times, run for president three times, always with an anti ISRAEL agenda and is tolerated and ignored? No combined effort by anyone to rid the Congress of such a person?

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-10   9:11:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Cynicom, 4um (#2)

Cyni, I'm sensing that your well founded cynicism has morphed into a personal dislike, which tends to shade your opinion of RP from criticism to harshness. He's a good man, he has a solid message and this run isn't anything like '08. It's far better and he's staying in it till the end. He has grabbed the interest of some in the younger set and hopes of a movement far larger than one man is a possibility. Since no one I know is willing to stick a rifle out of their window yet, he's about the best we got right now.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-05-10   9:39:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Jethro Tull (#1) (Edited)

The Knesset on the Potomac continues shovel dough out to Tel Aviv and the weaponsmiths in the MIC.

"The bill also calls for reports on how to speed the sale of F-35 fighter planes to Israel and the state of Israel's military edge. And finally, it would extend a $9 billion loan guarantee program that can help Israel borrow more cheaply. The program was established in 2003, and $3.8 billion of the loan guarantee authority remains." - http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/226423-us- israel-ties-reaffirmed-in-house-vote. They also get a billion bucks for more missiles.

Yesterday's vote was 411 yeas and 2 nays. John Dingell, Michigan and Ron Paul, Texas voted against this pandering piece of pork. Eight dems and one pubbie voted present and nine congresscritters did not vote.

This bill now goes to the Old Folks Home on the other side of the Capitol whose members will no doubt fall all over themselves in an effort to outdo one another in slavish and shameful displays of obeisance toward Shittylittlestan.

Republic, R.I.P.

Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. - H. L. Mencken

randge  posted on  2012-05-10   9:43:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Jethro Tull (#3)

personal dislike,

You need a new sensor young man.

I suspect we all will have a different perspective on Ron Paul by November. I will not be shocked at whatever course he takes, you may well be.

We have to remember, Romney CANNOT WIN WITHOUT Ron Paul being for or neutral. A negative Paul and we have the black queer again. Wish and reality are NOT bed mates.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-10   9:59:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Jethro Tull, Cynicom, All (#3) (Edited)

Cyni, I'm sensing that your well founded cynicism has morphed into a personal dislike, which tends to shade your opinion of RP from criticism to harshness. He's a good man, he has a solid message and this run isn't anything like '08. It's far better and he's staying in it till the end. He has grabbed the interest of some in the younger set and hopes of a movement far larger than one man is a possibility. Since no one I know is willing to stick a rifle out of their window yet, he's about the best we got right now.

This is a great analysis of where we're at in this country. If Ropn Paul chose to sit back and live his life like so many others and some on here, we wouldn't have anybody trying to right the wrongs and shenanigans our government is forcing on us.

As for cynicom, well I would like to know what has happened in his past to make him so bitter towards Ron Paul. He seems to have a negative air about him and he his extremely skeptical just about every thing and everyone and he does it in a very harsh manner.

You get an A+ for this analysis, Jethro! It is spot on!

ambi  posted on  2012-05-10   10:04:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Cynicom (#5)

We have to remember, Romney CANNOT WIN WITHOUT Ron Paul being for or neutral. A negative Paul and we have the black queer again.

Your suggestion here is that RP, for the good of the party, will toss aside his principles for a Republican victory. I can honestly say you are nearly alone in your assessment for a number of reasons, the main one being fellow Rs despise him and an endorsement would not only cripple all RP has tried to build, but also it would hamstring his son's future, one you feel strongly is tied to his presidential run. Cyni, IMO he isn't going to Tampa with his delegates to back Romney.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-05-10   10:14:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#0)

This bill will not help the United States, it will not help Israel, and it will not help the Middle East.

That's what AIPAC said.

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Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-05-10   10:14:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Cynicom (#2)

run for president three times, always with an anti ISRAEL agenda and is tolerated and ignored?

A-ha, but he's not anti-Israel.

He said it himself, this bill is bad for Israel. :))

As he is a man of Principle!, he must actually BELIEVE that.

So of course he's no threat and is not to be taken seriously.

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For his master who's long gone on

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-05-10   10:24:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Jethro Tull (#3)

I'm sensing that your well founded cynicism has morphed into a personal dislike

No no, he's got a very good point.

Ron Paul and AIPAC agree on something.

They agree Israel is important.

They agree we shouldn't do something bad for Israel.

What Paul should be saying is "who gives a rat's ass if it's good for Israel?"

An old lonely slave comes back from the grave
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For his master who's long gone on

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-05-10   10:28:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#10) (Edited)

I'm sensing that your well founded cynicism has morphed into a personal dislike

No no, he's got a very good point.

Ron Paul and AIPAC agree on something.

Apparently you have morphed into a total idiot. Sometimes you, Shoonra, and Cynicom make statements that make you seem one in the same person. Someday you might wake up and realize how stupid some of your remarks really are. Your tag line is a good example of your intelligence!

ambi  posted on  2012-05-10   10:34:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Prefrontal Vortex, Jethro Tull (#9)

So of course he's no threat and is not to be taken seriously.

Paul reminds me of the olde watch dog that was big and had a loud bark to scare away prowlers, BUT HE HAD NO TEETH.

The Jews know that and in fact perhaps supply some of his gruel.

Jethro will do a backflip on that one.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-10   10:37:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Jethro Tull (#7)

Your suggestion here is that RP, for the good of the party, will toss aside his principles for a Republican victory. I can honestly say you are nearly alone in your assessment for a number of reasons, the main one being fellow Rs despise him and an endorsement would not only cripple all RP has tried to build, but also it would hamstring his son's future, one you feel strongly is tied to his presidential run. Cyni, IMO he isn't going to Tampa with his delegates to back Romney.

1) He (or rather his delegates) may fight in Tampa, but when the nomination process is over and done, Paul will endorse Romney.

2) Paul's not trying to build or destroy anything. My dog has more will to power than Paul. Corollary: Paul does not care that a Romney endorsement will hurt his "cause." He simply does not understand.

3) A Romney endorsement will help Paul Jr., because most Paul Jr. voters will vote for Romney. Do you seriously think Paul Jr. himself isn't going to endorse Romney after Romney secures the nomination? Paul Jr. is less radical than daddy.

An old lonely slave comes back from the grave
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Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-05-10   10:37:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: ambi (#11)

You got something against the legend of the brown mountain light?

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Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-05-10   10:46:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Prefrontal Vortex, Jethro Tull (#13)

Paul Jr. is less radical than daddy.

Since Rand arrived I have taken care to read as much about his views as possible.

Rand tells us that "big labor" is to blame for the national debt, to blame for the deficit, to blame for lack of jobs, etc etc.

Thats fair but he neglects to tell his readers that big labor is now but eight per cent of the American work force.......

He is for all right to work laws as workers have no rights, then he announces that "doctors have the right to earn a COMFORTABLE living.

Paul has made a deal. If not I maintain the right to use as much ketchup as I like while eating crow.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-10   10:47:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Cynicom (#15)

I don't think he's made a deal.

I subscribe to a simpler hypothesis:

Paul means what he says and says what he means.

How can you make deal when a guy doesn't even notice that you're propping him up?

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Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-05-10   10:51:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#10)

Ron Paul and AIPAC agree on something.

They agree Israel is important.

Paul is a non interventionist. His policy toward Israel is the same as it is toward any other foreign nation. What they do isn't worth one American dollar or one American life. If Israel makes their neighbors enemies, that's their business, not ours. It's the essence of putting America first.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-05-10   10:51:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Cynicom, 4um (#15)

He is for all right to work laws as workers have no rights, then he announces that "doctors have the right to earn a COMFORTABLE living.

Paul has made a deal. If not I maintain the right to use as much ketchup as I like while eating crow.

As I've said before, I haven't followed Rand Paul so I haven't a clue what his policies are. I do feel that the movement RP is building won't fit comfortably on the foot of just anyone, including his son. The young people, and the growing number of vets aren't party pods and leadership will have to be earned, not handed down which is the essence of elitism.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-05-10   10:58:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#16)

I don't think he's made a deal.

Romney is astute enough to know that Newtie, Santorum etc would fall in line and did.

He got them for nothing. Neither had a following of great value. Paul DOES have a large and vocal following, well organized and a force to be reckoned with.

That means Paul must stay neutral, go negative or positive. I say he goes positive to some unknown degree with Romney.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-10   10:59:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Jethro Tull (#17)

Well yes, but that's got nothing to do with anything.

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Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-05-10   11:00:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Prefrontal Vortex, Jethro Tull (#20)

Jethro will furnish the crow, I will have to furnish my own ketchup.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-10   11:03:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Cynicom (#19)

I say he goes positive to some unknown degree with Romney.

I agree, as all libertarians really care about is money.

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Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-05-10   11:12:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Cynicom (#21)

Jethro will furnish the crow, I will have to furnish my own ketchup.

:P

It should be an interesting convention.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-05-10   11:13:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Jethro Tull (#18)

The young people, and the growing number of vets aren't party pods and leadership will have to be earned, not handed down which is the essence of elitism.

That is true, and that's another reason I don't think Paul has made a deal.

A Paul endorsement won't actually help Romney much.

---

This communication from Paul about this bill is 100% establishment respectable.

It is not revolutionary. It is not heretical.

HERESY would be basically the same communication, except to OMIT whether it's good for Israel.

HERESY would then be, when asked whether it's bad for Israel, to say "I don't know." Period.

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Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-05-10   11:22:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#24)

A Paul endorsement won't actually help Romney much.

That being the case, what would be the effect of a neutral stance or vocal opposition?

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-10   11:29:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Jethro Tull (#23)

It should be an interesting convention.

It surely will! Anyone counting Ron Paul out at this juncture is going to get the surprise of their life. This country is so far gone that our very survival, including the MIC, Big Bankers,MSM, the Courts, will all perish with the rest of us. A Ron Paul presidency is the only way we can turn things around. More and more people every day are beginning to wise up to the tyrants in Washington and on Wall St.

I believe we will see a Ron Paul inaugaration come January 2013.

ambi  posted on  2012-05-10   11:32:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Cynicom (#25)

Not much besides maybe hurting Jr.

But Paul will endorse Romney out of a sense of duty to the country.

If Paul actually did have some will to power, more people on the left would bolt his way.

Most Paul supporters are of no use to anybody but Paul. It's either Paul or stay home.

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Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-05-10   12:47:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#27)

But Paul will endorse Romney out of a sense of duty to the country.

I do not understand such.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-10   12:59:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Prefrontal Vortex, 4 (#27)

Paul will not endorse willard, just as he didn't endorse mckook.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2012-05-10   13:02:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Lod (#29)

Paul will not endorse willard, just as he didn't endorse mckook.

That being the case, we may well have the black man another four years, plus Rand would be a one term Senator.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-10   13:10:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Lod (#29)

At the time, Paul said he liked Obama's foreign policy stance.

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Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-05-10   13:41:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Cynicom (#28)

I agree it's quaint.

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Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-05-10   13:43:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#27)

But Paul will endorse Romney out of a sense of duty to the country.

Has Paul's duty morphed a 180 since he refused to back McCain?

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-10   14:30:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: abraxas (#33)

Has Paul's duty morphed a 180 since he refused to back McCain?

Paul no play, another four years for black idiot.

We now have a third party choice in Johnson.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-10   15:11:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Jethro Tull (#3)

Cyni, I'm sensing that your well founded cynicism has morphed into a personal dislike, which tends to shade your opinion of RP from criticism to harshness. He's a good man, he has a solid message and this run isn't anything like '08. It's far better and he's staying in it till the end. He has grabbed the interest of some in the younger set and hopes of a movement far larger than one man is a possibility. Since no one I know is willing to stick a rifle out of their window yet, he's about the best we got right now.

Don't fall for his schtick JT. The guy is a liberal troll. He's been bad mouthing and trying to undermine Dr. Paul for years and just yesterday started bad mouthing and trying to undermine Hayek and Mises, two people who have contributed to more to Austrian economics than anyone in the 20th century and in the case of Hayek is considered by just about every Libertarian/classical liberal political junkie to be one the greatest political philosophers that ever lived.

You have to remember that he is a career federal bureaucrat who feels threatened by the ideas of Dr. Paul, von Mises, and Hayek. He's been a drain on society for his entire adult life and despises anyone who realizes it.

Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown

Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2012-05-10   15:33:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Cynicom (#34)

We now have a third party choice in Johnson.

If it comes down to a battle between Obama and Obama-lite, I'm with Johnson. : )

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-10   17:44:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: abraxas (#33)

Hey, I could be wrong. But the choices are not the same this time.

Foreign policy not much difference; Romney will save money.

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Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-05-10   18:22:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#37)

Romney will save money.

lol.....how so? Does he have a plan to cut empire that I'm not privy too? Does he have a plan to snuff out the corporate oligarchy that is rotting the federal government to the core?

Did he claim he is going to cut spending someplace? Anyplace?

He's going to campaign against gay marriage......this is the big clue that nothing will change in regards to this bankrupt nation spending like Imelda Marcos in a shoe store.

Save money...that's a good one! : )

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-10   23:01:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#37)

lol......Romney will save money like George Bush abolished nation building. : )

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-10   23:03:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#37)

Romney was asked why he wouldn't cut one trillion out of this nations 15 trillion and growing debt.......he said:

“The reason,” Romney explained, “is taking a trillion dollars out of a $15 trillion economy would cause our economy to shrink [and] would put a lot of people out of work.”

So, he's a Keynesian just like Obama and has no plan to save money at all. I guess Romney forgot that the government can't spend $1 trillion without first taking it from the private sector or devaluation of the dollar by printing more debt. Either way.......we're screwed with an Omaba lite plan and there will be no saving of money.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-10   23:14:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Prefrontal Vortex, cynicom (#32)

there's no way paul would ever endorse someone like romney. If he did that, even Paul's loyal supporters would say he's gone senile, crazy or is a traitor. It will never happen in a million years.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2012-05-11   0:11:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Cynicom, Jethro Tull (#25)

That being the case, what would be the effect of a neutral stance or vocal opposition?

I don't think RP will endorse Oromney I think he will likely go neutral or vaguely negative - but not overtly or strongly negative.

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"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

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