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Title: Bad for America, Bad for Israel, Bad for the World (Dr. Ron Paul)
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Published: May 10, 2012
Author: Dr. Ron Paul
Post Date: 2012-05-10 08:12:53 by F.A. Hayek Fan
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Mr. Speaker: I rise in opposition to H.R. 4133, the United States-Israel Enhanced Security Cooperation Act, which unfortunately is another piece of one-sided and counterproductive foreign policy legislation. This bill’s real intent seems to be more saber-rattling against Iran and Syria, and it undermines U.S. diplomatic efforts by making clear that the U.S. is not an honest broker seeking peace for the Middle East. The bill calls for the United States to significantly increase our provision of sophisticated weaponry to Israel, and states that it is to be U.S. policy to “help Israel preserve its qualitative military edge” in the region. While I absolutely believe that Israel — and any other nation — should be free to determine for itself what is necessary for its national security, I do not believe that those decisions should be underwritten by U.S. taxpayers and backed up by the U.S. military. This bill states that it is the policy of the United States to “reaffirm the enduring commitment of the United States to the security of the State of Israel as a Jewish state.” However, according to our Constitution, the policy of the United States government should be to protect the security of the United States, not to guarantee the religious, ethnic, or cultural composition of a foreign country. In fact, our own Constitution prohibits the establishment of any particular religion in the U.S. More than 20 years after the reason for NATO’s existence — the Warsaw Pact — has disappeared, this legislation seeks to find a new mission for that anachronistic alliance: the defense of Israel. Calling for “an expanded role for Israel within the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), including an enhanced presence at NATO headquarters and exercises,” it reads like a dream for interventionists and the military-industrial complex. As I have said many times, NATO should be disbanded, not expanded. This bill will not help the United States, it will not help Israel, and it will not help the Middle East. It will implicitly authorize much more U.S. interventionism in the region at a time when we cannot afford the foreign commitments we already have. It more likely will lead to war against Syria, Iran, or both. I urge my colleagues to vote against this bill.
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#1. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, 4 (#0)
This is such a simple and well articulated point. It's no wonder RP wasn't invited to speak before influential Jewish groups this past December.
This is such a simple and well articulated point. I agree with you. However, being a cynic, I must look beyond the correctness of the statement, and ask myself, why has Ron Paul been reelected twelve times, run for president three times, always with an anti ISRAEL agenda and is tolerated and ignored? No combined effort by anyone to rid the Congress of such a person?
Cyni, I'm sensing that your well founded cynicism has morphed into a personal dislike, which tends to shade your opinion of RP from criticism to harshness. He's a good man, he has a solid message and this run isn't anything like '08. It's far better and he's staying in it till the end. He has grabbed the interest of some in the younger set and hopes of a movement far larger than one man is a possibility. Since no one I know is willing to stick a rifle out of their window yet, he's about the best we got right now.
The Knesset on the Potomac continues shovel dough out to Tel Aviv and the weaponsmiths in the MIC. "The bill also calls for reports on how to speed the sale of F-35 fighter planes to Israel and the state of Israel's military edge. And finally, it would extend a $9 billion loan guarantee program that can help Israel borrow more cheaply. The program was established in 2003, and $3.8 billion of the loan guarantee authority remains." - http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/226423-us- israel-ties-reaffirmed-in-house-vote. They also get a billion bucks for more missiles. Yesterday's vote was 411 yeas and 2 nays. John Dingell, Michigan and Ron Paul, Texas voted against this pandering piece of pork. Eight dems and one pubbie voted present and nine congresscritters did not vote. This bill now goes to the Old Folks Home on the other side of the Capitol whose members will no doubt fall all over themselves in an effort to outdo one another in slavish and shameful displays of obeisance toward Shittylittlestan. Republic, R.I.P. You need a new sensor young man. I suspect we all will have a different perspective on Ron Paul by November. I will not be shocked at whatever course he takes, you may well be. We have to remember, Romney CANNOT WIN WITHOUT Ron Paul being for or neutral. A negative Paul and we have the black queer again. Wish and reality are NOT bed mates.
This is a great analysis of where we're at in this country. If Ropn Paul chose to sit back and live his life like so many others and some on here, we wouldn't have anybody trying to right the wrongs and shenanigans our government is forcing on us. As for cynicom, well I would like to know what has happened in his past to make him so bitter towards Ron Paul. He seems to have a negative air about him and he his extremely skeptical just about every thing and everyone and he does it in a very harsh manner. You get an A+ for this analysis, Jethro! It is spot on!
Your suggestion here is that RP, for the good of the party, will toss aside his principles for a Republican victory. I can honestly say you are nearly alone in your assessment for a number of reasons, the main one being fellow Rs despise him and an endorsement would not only cripple all RP has tried to build, but also it would hamstring his son's future, one you feel strongly is tied to his presidential run. Cyni, IMO he isn't going to Tampa with his delegates to back Romney.
That's what AIPAC said. An old lonely slave comes back from the grave A-ha, but he's not anti-Israel. He said it himself, this bill is bad for Israel. :)) As he is a man of Principle!, he must actually BELIEVE that. So of course he's no threat and is not to be taken seriously. An old lonely slave comes back from the grave No no, he's got a very good point. Ron Paul and AIPAC agree on something. They agree Israel is important. They agree we shouldn't do something bad for Israel. What Paul should be saying is "who gives a rat's ass if it's good for Israel?" An old lonely slave comes back from the grave No no, he's got a very good point. Ron Paul and AIPAC agree on something. Apparently you have morphed into a total idiot. Sometimes you, Shoonra, and Cynicom make statements that make you seem one in the same person. Someday you might wake up and realize how stupid some of your remarks really are. Your tag line is a good example of your intelligence!
Paul reminds me of the olde watch dog that was big and had a loud bark to scare away prowlers, BUT HE HAD NO TEETH. The Jews know that and in fact perhaps supply some of his gruel. Jethro will do a backflip on that one.
1) He (or rather his delegates) may fight in Tampa, but when the nomination process is over and done, Paul will endorse Romney. 2) Paul's not trying to build or destroy anything. My dog has more will to power than Paul. Corollary: Paul does not care that a Romney endorsement will hurt his "cause." He simply does not understand. 3) A Romney endorsement will help Paul Jr., because most Paul Jr. voters will vote for Romney. Do you seriously think Paul Jr. himself isn't going to endorse Romney after Romney secures the nomination? Paul Jr. is less radical than daddy. An old lonely slave comes back from the grave You got something against the legend of the brown mountain light?
An old lonely slave comes back from the grave Since Rand arrived I have taken care to read as much about his views as possible. Rand tells us that "big labor" is to blame for the national debt, to blame for the deficit, to blame for lack of jobs, etc etc. Thats fair but he neglects to tell his readers that big labor is now but eight per cent of the American work force....... He is for all right to work laws as workers have no rights, then he announces that "doctors have the right to earn a COMFORTABLE living. Paul has made a deal. If not I maintain the right to use as much ketchup as I like while eating crow.
I don't think he's made a deal. I subscribe to a simpler hypothesis: Paul means what he says and says what he means. How can you make deal when a guy doesn't even notice that you're propping him up? An old lonely slave comes back from the grave They agree Israel is important. Paul is a non interventionist. His policy toward Israel is the same as it is toward any other foreign nation. What they do isn't worth one American dollar or one American life. If Israel makes their neighbors enemies, that's their business, not ours. It's the essence of putting America first.
Paul has made a deal. If not I maintain the right to use as much ketchup as I like while eating crow. As I've said before, I haven't followed Rand Paul so I haven't a clue what his policies are. I do feel that the movement RP is building won't fit comfortably on the foot of just anyone, including his son. The young people, and the growing number of vets aren't party pods and leadership will have to be earned, not handed down which is the essence of elitism.
Romney is astute enough to know that Newtie, Santorum etc would fall in line and did. He got them for nothing. Neither had a following of great value. Paul DOES have a large and vocal following, well organized and a force to be reckoned with. That means Paul must stay neutral, go negative or positive. I say he goes positive to some unknown degree with Romney.
Well yes, but that's got nothing to do with anything.
An old lonely slave comes back from the grave Jethro will furnish the crow, I will have to furnish my own ketchup.
I agree, as all libertarians really care about is money. An old lonely slave comes back from the grave :P It should be an interesting convention.
That is true, and that's another reason I don't think Paul has made a deal. A Paul endorsement won't actually help Romney much. --- This communication from Paul about this bill is 100% establishment respectable. It is not revolutionary. It is not heretical. HERESY would be basically the same communication, except to OMIT whether it's good for Israel. HERESY would then be, when asked whether it's bad for Israel, to say "I don't know." Period. An old lonely slave comes back from the grave That being the case, what would be the effect of a neutral stance or vocal opposition?
It surely will! Anyone counting Ron Paul out at this juncture is going to get the surprise of their life. This country is so far gone that our very survival, including the MIC, Big Bankers,MSM, the Courts, will all perish with the rest of us. A Ron Paul presidency is the only way we can turn things around. More and more people every day are beginning to wise up to the tyrants in Washington and on Wall St. I believe we will see a Ron Paul inaugaration come January 2013.
Not much besides maybe hurting Jr. But Paul will endorse Romney out of a sense of duty to the country. If Paul actually did have some will to power, more people on the left would bolt his way. Most Paul supporters are of no use to anybody but Paul. It's either Paul or stay home. An old lonely slave comes back from the grave I do not understand such.
Paul will not endorse willard, just as he didn't endorse mckook.
Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson That being the case, we may well have the black man another four years, plus Rand would be a one term Senator.
At the time, Paul said he liked Obama's foreign policy stance.
An old lonely slave comes back from the grave I agree it's quaint.
An old lonely slave comes back from the grave Has Paul's duty morphed a 180 since he refused to back McCain? " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Paul no play, another four years for black idiot. We now have a third party choice in Johnson.
Don't fall for his schtick JT. The guy is a liberal troll. He's been bad mouthing and trying to undermine Dr. Paul for years and just yesterday started bad mouthing and trying to undermine Hayek and Mises, two people who have contributed to more to Austrian economics than anyone in the 20th century and in the case of Hayek is considered by just about every Libertarian/classical liberal political junkie to be one the greatest political philosophers that ever lived. You have to remember that he is a career federal bureaucrat who feels threatened by the ideas of Dr. Paul, von Mises, and Hayek. He's been a drain on society for his entire adult life and despises anyone who realizes it. Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan
If it comes down to a battle between Obama and Obama-lite, I'm with Johnson. : ) " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Hey, I could be wrong. But the choices are not the same this time. Foreign policy not much difference; Romney will save money. An old lonely slave comes back from the grave lol.....how so? Does he have a plan to cut empire that I'm not privy too? Does he have a plan to snuff out the corporate oligarchy that is rotting the federal government to the core? Did he claim he is going to cut spending someplace? Anyplace? He's going to campaign against gay marriage......this is the big clue that nothing will change in regards to this bankrupt nation spending like Imelda Marcos in a shoe store. Save money...that's a good one! : ) " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
lol......Romney will save money like George Bush abolished nation building. : )
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Romney was asked why he wouldn't cut one trillion out of this nations 15 trillion and growing debt.......he said: “The reason,” Romney explained, “is taking a trillion dollars out of a $15 trillion economy would cause our economy to shrink [and] would put a lot of people out of work.” So, he's a Keynesian just like Obama and has no plan to save money at all. I guess Romney forgot that the government can't spend $1 trillion without first taking it from the private sector or devaluation of the dollar by printing more debt. Either way.......we're screwed with an Omaba lite plan and there will be no saving of money. " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
there's no way paul would ever endorse someone like romney. If he did that, even Paul's loyal supporters would say he's gone senile, crazy or is a traitor. It will never happen in a million years.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
I don't think RP will endorse Oromney I think he will likely go neutral or vaguely negative - but not overtly or strongly negative. “The reason,” Romney explained, “is taking a trillion dollars out of a $15 trillion economy would cause our economy to shrink [and] would put a lot of people out of work.” So, he's a Keynesian just like Obama and has no plan to save money at all. I guess Romney forgot that the government can't spend $1 trillion without first taking it from the private sector or devaluation of the dollar by printing more debt. Either way.......we're screwed with an Omaba lite plan and there will be no saving of money. Romney gives whores a good name. He is soooooooooooooo owned. Ah well. That's different. But I take your point in the general sense that the purpose of "conservatives" is to secure the last revolution won by the left. He'll approve a pipeline Obama won't or something. Mo money. An old lonely slave comes back from the grave "It would be an honor to be considered" as Romney's veep. Simply endorsing his own son doesn't mean he's making a deal. And it's not like Paul can control his delegates anyway. An old lonely slave comes back from the grave Agree. RP uses the Republican Party as a vehicle to promote his vision for America and not for the country club perks. Romney would and will surly look for his support, but I'd put the chances of that happening at zero percent.
Rand tells us that "big labor" is to blame for the national debt, to blame for the deficit, to blame for lack of jobs, etc etc. Thats fair but he neglects to tell his readers that big labor is now but eight per cent of the American work force....... He is for all right to work laws as workers have no rights, then he announces that "doctors have the right to earn a COMFORTABLE living. Paul has made a deal. If not I maintain the right to use as much ketchup as I like while eating crow. It has been reported on more than one occasion that the US federal government is the largest employer in the United States. As one of the largest unions in the United States, the federal employees union, which you have been a lifelong member of, does indeed play a role in increasing our national debt. Thats fair but he neglects to tell his readers that big labor is now but eight per cent of the American work force....... Uh huh. First of all, you are a liar, which goes without saying since you are a liberal. Union Labor makes up 12.45% of the workforce. How many of that 12.4% are federal employees stealing money directly from the American taxpayer? Dr. Paul never claimed that they were the only ones playing a role. He is for all right to work laws as workers have no rights, then he announces that "doctors have the right to earn a COMFORTABLE living. Once again you toss out Democrat talking points and prove yourself to be nothing less than a liberal troll. It amazes me how many people on this board fall for your Obamabot bullshit. Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan
The fat lady has not dropped a note..... " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
There was ...never...any way JFK would take a man of LBJs character as VP... That was set in concrete, deals were made and JFK and LBJ both became President.
What actions in his past public life makes you believe that he will save money? He is a Massachusetts Republican, meaning he's a big government liberal. That's how he governed Massachusetts and that's how he will govern the United States. His "saving money" likely means he MIGHT spend 1-3% less than what Obama would have spent. This might be enough for some but when you are talking trillions of dollars, that percentage is statistically insignificant to the point of being nonexistent in terms of the effects it will have. Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan
That being the case, it would have to be acceptable to Paul that Obama remain President? As a "loyal republican" it is difficult for me to see Paul standing aside, doing nothing.
As a "loyal republican" it is difficult for me to see Paul standing aside, doing nothing. Why would this be so remarkable Mr. liberal agenda? He stood aside and did nothing when McCain ran. Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan
I can see your having difficulty with the issue. Again, just because Paul uses the Republican Party as a vehicle to reach people with his freedom message doesn't mean he is a member of the 'club.' He isn't and most here know this simply by having watched the debates and seeing how different his positions on war and the economy are when compared to the other pubes. BTW, who is the last presidential nominee he endorsed? McCain? Bush II? Bush I? Dole? If the answer is that he didn't endorse any of them, I think you'll notice a distinct pattern which will carry through to November.
If we look at that pattern of the past, compare it to the present and future, we find one very glaring difference , RAND PAUL. I know of no Father that would do anything to hinder the future of his own Son, in fact most Fathers would do all in their power to aid that future.
I know of no Father that would do anything to hinder the future of his own Son, in fact most Fathers would do all in their power to aid that future. OK, so your answer is that RP HASN'T endorsed any of the previous nominees. We agree. And about Rand. If Pop wants to ensure that Rand forever carries a neocon yoke around his neck for the length of his political career, then he'll ENDORSE Romney. Whereas you think a Romney endorsement will help Rand, the opposite is actually true.
And the masses will flock to back another puppet because he spoke out against gay marriage, an issue that actually impacts less than 3% of the population (including the divorce attorneys). " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Now there is a contradiction of contradictions. Two things are likely to happen if Ron "sits" this one out. The black man might well remain President and the "party" stalwarts will owe Rand nothing, in fact might well make sure Rand goes away. Your political math is askew, in politics 2 plus 2 does NOT always equal 4. In politics there are things going on all the time that we have no knowledge of, namely, Ron WILL NOT do anything that harms his sons future, he is a Father first, a republican second.
I second that emotion.......feeling Smokey this mornin'. : ) " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Backing Romney will HARM any chance for Rand because the base will exit stage left Cyni..... Your focus is all on the GOP good ol' boys and not the actual movement/revolution that Ron Paul has built up. " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Your focus is all on the GOP good ol' boys and not the actual movement/revolution that Ron Paul has built up. You are an astute enough young lady to sense that this thread would have gone nowhere if there had not been a consistent adverse opinion. PM me with your observation.
Hey now, one percent divided by 1% is a lot! An old lonely slave comes back from the grave Two things are likely to happen if Ron "sits" this one out. The black man might well remain President and the "party" stalwarts will owe Rand nothing, in fact might well make sure Rand goes away. Your political math is askew, in politics 2 plus 2 does NOT always equal 4. In politics there are things going on all the time that we have no knowledge of, namely, Ron WILL NOT do anything that harms his sons future, he is a Father first, a republican second. All this misses the mark by a wide margin. RP has built a movement that will head on down to Tampa and be vocal. His movement is not a Republican movement, but rather a Fabian-like stealth attempt to infect the Republican party with libertarian thinkers. Is it possible? You bet. Think back to how the paleoconservatives in the Republican party squawked when the neoconservatives were allowed to stick their nose under the tent. Those same Zeos now control the party and the paleo's are on the outside looking in. So, we aren't discussing rudimentary math here, but rather a bold initiative to reform one wing of the national politic. It damn well is worth a shot.
Smoke away, ab. It's never too early for good tunes :P
In 2008 Paul thought Obama would at least be better on foreign policy. After 2012, Paul will no longer be in politics. It will be the last important decision he makes, and he will think long and hard on it. An old lonely slave comes back from the grave Can you see Paul explicitly endorsing VP Rand but not mentioning Romney? Cyni -- If Paul is sufficiently cult-like in his mentality, which he may well be, I can see him forsaking his son. An old lonely slave comes back from the grave Well now, that part is correct. HOWEVER JETHRO, YOU ARE GOING WITH A "LEADER" that is not going to extract a pound of flesh and a pint of blood. That will never happen. Kisses and smoochies all around and YOU KNOW THAT.
We must remember that the supreme goal here for Paul is to capture the republican nomination for President. If we stop to consider that might well not happen, then what are we willing to expect or accept from the winner????? Nothing? That is what was gained last time, nothing. The voters elected a black man that was totally unqualified to be president or janitor. Paul walked away, having thrown in the towel midstream. For our money and support, we also got nothing, not a thing. McKook laughed Ron off the stage. No third party then nor now, so why not go for broke, demand the pound of flesh NOW?????
Yes, It damn well IS worth a shot. There are a lot more paleos and libertarian thinkers (committed and potential) out there than are neocons. After November, no matter what the outcome, they are going to be even more charged up and motivated. If we stop to consider that might well not happen, then what are we willing to expect or accept from the winner????? That is not Paul's supreme goal. Nothing? That is what was gained last time, nothing. The voters elected a black man that was totally unqualified to be president or janitor. Paul walked away, having thrown in the towel midstream. For our money and support, we also got nothing, not a thing. McKook laughed Ron off the stage. No third party then nor now, so why not go for broke, demand the pound of flesh NOW????? They're used to nothing; if they got something, they wouldn't know what to do with it. This is all probably academic anyway. Though he is cute, Aqua Buddha will probably not be selected for veep. An old lonely slave comes back from the grave Oh c'mon. Paul and most Paulites haven't a stealthy bone in their body. Now, some of those indispensible middleman minority organizers in the Paul campaign are another matter. There's infection going on, to be sure. An old lonely slave comes back from the grave Let's see what his delegates do in Tampa before we blow off this strategy.
There are a lot more paleos and libertarian thinkers (committed and potential) out there than are neocons. After November, no matter what the outcome, they are going to be even more charged up and motivated. I just don't see the downside. I get the total disgust some have w/the system, but it happens to be the only game in town so we can either play or sit it out. I'll join the sitters should the candidates be O or R.
Thanks Jethro, most excellent start to my day....now I'm rollin'! Care to join me on Higher Ground? : ) " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
I'll join Gary Johnson.......on the Higher Ground. : p " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Is that right???? Damn, fooled me agin. Last time around I gave a hat full of money to Ron Paul and what puny support I could muster. Now you shatter me with news that Ron does not want to be president???? Well, this time I have been sitting on my wallet but there are a lot of people here that believe him. I hate to think they are all Rubes??????
And the masses will flock to back another puppet because he spoke out against gay marriage, an issue that actually impacts less than 3% of the population (including the divorce attorneys). The interesting thing though is that legitimizing sexual perversions, such as being queer, seem to be part of the agenda being dictated by the closeted fags and pedophiles of the Buildabuggerers and that which we refer to by the vague label NWO. Part of it is, I am sure, aimed at breaking up the family unit which forms a bedrock of opposition to their lascivious advances and it seems to tie into depopulation as well by encouraging sexuality that is of a non-reproductive type. Also they are a bunch of perverts themselves and want to be able to openly practice their perversions and to, metaphorically of course, shove them down everybody's throat. Concur. The only way I think that RP would give anything beyond tepid pro-forma support to Oromney is under duress.
Love it, and I'm there! We can Moondance up there if you care to. I'm thinking one could East Coast Swing (triple step) to this Van Morrison ditty. I'm to the point I could 'get by' if the dance floor was crowded enough :)
This entire gay marriage thing is entirely about economics and insurance. Nobody in their right (middle aged) mind wants to get married to anything; a piece of paper means diddly as far as keeping a loving, or dysfunctional couple together. This argument is about a tax deduction, shared medical insurance and inheritance, should their be any upon the death of a significant other. If the various states settle the economic/insurance matter, this non issue goes away IMO.
You're right as far as the economic questions go. But this thing has become a cultural pissing contest and has acquired political utility on both sides of the issue. Therefore, both sides will bang the hell out of it as long and as hard as humanly possible. On the contrary, presidential politics, all within the anti-white framework, IS sitting it out.
An old lonely slave comes back from the grave Not rubes, no. No matter what Paul said to HIMSELF when he decided to run, that was not his goal. An old lonely slave comes back from the grave If all the Paulites on this forum are sincere in their beliefs and their political protestations, it would seem to an impartial viewer, that they would be supporting Bob Johnson en masse, as soon as Romney is coronated????? That being true, I would be happy to lemming along with them.
I don't know about this Bob Johnson character......but if the two party fraud offers two frauds--Obama and Romney--and call this farce a choice, I'll be voting for Gary Johnson on the Libertarian Ticket. : ) " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
I think it is entirely diversion and divide. " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
You and I both. Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan
If Johnson is on the ballot here in PA, I'll join you all.
Well, that makes TWO of us and I will BE TICKED OFF IF PAUL DOES NOT ENDORSE JOHNSON. As for the rest of our friends here, after Ron kisses Mitt, they will swoon and vote REPUBLICAN.
But, Cyni my dear, you are already ticked off at Dr. Paul, so why is his endorsement so important to you? No, he will not kiss Mitt butt. And, no, liberty minded people will not swoon. " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
You promise??? You realize the black SOB mite well be the President four more years??????
Good heavens... Recall Ron told me and anyone listening four years ago he was a true blue and loyal republican forever. I stopped giving money with the Trotski memo. Now his son is a true blue republican and I have distinct dislike for members of the one party system. You send a note to Ron, endorse Johnson now and hit the campaign trail for him.
I'm with the good Dr. until the RNC convention in Tampa is convened. After that, depending on the outcome, I may join Gary Johnson's campaign. : ) " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
From your fingertips to God's mouth truth. Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson Are you prepared to accept Ron smooching with Mitt and ENDORSING HIM. If Jethro is correct, Ron has not endorsed anyone and in this case withholding endorsement may well give us Obomski for four more????? Myself, I intend to go into the Crying Towel business just before the convention, making sales to all my loyal Paul supporters. hehehehehehehe
Never heard of him. An old lonely slave comes back from the grave Unseen and unknown numbers of Paul supporters will indeed vote for Romney, most likely not enough to throw Obama out. My thinking is that Paul COULD ENSURE THAT THE BLACK MAN LEAVES.
Gov NM. Know near zero about him.
I'd rather the kenyan, and his fat-assed wookie, stay put than have willard and his wench have an eight year go at us.
Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson NEVERTHELESS, our own CONgress passed the antiChrist, Satanic Noahide Laws that America is set up to enforce. Thursday, May 10, 2012 Examining Israel's Role in the NOAHIDE LAWS And Christian Genocide Worldwide http://americanholocaustcoming.blogspot.com/ Excerpt: "....the Sanhedrin based out of Jerusalem believe in and support mass Christian genocide, both in Jerusalem, throughout Israel, and in fact worldwide. After all, they are a WORLDWIDE court. It is their full intention to impose the Noahide Laws demands upon every nation, as admitted in their literature and website. To behead untold millions of Christians worldwide, and throughout Israel/Palestine as well, you must have practical means to fulfill this. Such mass beheadings require the use of THE MODERN MILITARY GUILLOTINES that I have been documenting for 17 years now. Such worldwide demands for mass executions would also require enlisting the aid of military forces worldwide as a practical measure. This has already happened covertly in America, using American tax dollars, and without the knowledge or consent of the vast majority of her people and her endangered Christian population.... Since the Jews and Sanhedrin court based out of Jerusalem, Israel, fully intend to behead all Christian offenders under their Noahide Laws, do you think that Israel's leaders and the Sanhedrin in Jerusalem are somehow ignorant of the modern military guillotines created only for this distinct purpose, including those military guillotines documented to be in AMERICA?? The Noahide Laws in America were presented by Lubavitch Chabad in Washington DC to the Senate and House, and through deceitful efforts (as explained by former Congressman Dannemeyer) [ http://www.takebackourrights.org...ristians-full%20page.html / http://www.takebackourrights.org/docs/noahidelaw.html ] were secretly passed, and then signed into actual legislation by President G. W. Bush. What legitimate place in American legislation does this deadly, distinctly anti-American,anti-religious freedom and anti-Christian legislation have? According to our Constitution and the first Amendment, NONE! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It is distinctly Jewish in origin, with it's presiding Sanhedrin in Jerusalem, Israel. Which means it is NOT American, nor does it have any right to gravely endanger the right of religious freedoms and RIGHT TO LIFE of millions of American Christians! Palestinian and Israeli Christians must ask: What does Israel plan to do to the Palestinian/Israeli Christians under the Noahide Laws? What do they plan to do to the other Christians living in Israel under the Noahide Laws? My military sources revealed the modern guillotines are now found worldwide. And if these guillotines to fulfill Noahide Laws demands are already present in North America, would they not certainly be present in ISRAEL, from whence these Noahide Laws and their world court emanates? Since the Noahide Laws court is based out of Jerusalem, Israel, what role do you think Israel and her government must play in supporting the Noahide Laws? Due to Israel's close ties with America and the American government, also ties through their dual citizenship people in the American government (whose first loyalty is to the Jews and Israel,) plus the fact that the Noahide Laws are Jewish in origin....we are compelled to ask: what is Israel's hidden role in the enforcement of the coming genocide of America's Christians under their Noahide Laws? These are realistic and serious questions that must be asked by endangered Christians, both in America, in Israel/Palestine, and throughout the world. THE NOAHIDE LAWS THREAT TO CHRISTIAN EXISTENCE IS REAL. WHILE MASQUERADING AS A TOOL FOR WORLD PEACE, THE IMPOSITION AND ENFORCEMENT OF THE NOAHIDE LAWS PRESENTS A CLEAR PLAN FOR CHRISTIAN GENOCIDE WORLDWIDE, TO ADVANCE OBVIOUSLY JEWISH ZIONIST PLANS FOR WORLD DOMINION AND REMOVE THE CHRISTIAN OBSTACLE......" Let's not forget Obama can pick us up for any reason, assassinate us, or DEPORT US, SAY TO THE SANHEDRIN IN "THE JEWISH STATE OF ISRAEL" [ http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=193 ], AND ZOG WANTS US TO PAY FOR IT TOO. ==================== (Video)High Level Insider: DHS Preparing to Start A Civil War 'FEMA Coffins' Being Moved Northbound On Georgia Highway 5-8-2012 at Before It's News: CIA HQ Insider: 30,000-100,000 Russian Troops Scheduled to Arrive in America Within the Next 7 Months. etc. etc. etc. "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Vote Obama! An old lonely slave comes back from the grave Both are part and parcel of the system. Big choice, do we want to be shot or hung. As of now, I will have to register and vote for Johnson, or do nothing and stay home. Not much of a choice.
Gary Johnson - Ex Governor of NM
"The few who understand the [FEDERAL RESERVE] system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests." The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.
Therein lies the problem Ron Paul has. Of the masses, not one in a hundred knows WHO OR WHAT THE FED IS. The Fed is the greatest evil in this country and has been so for 100 years now. There is no way in hell that Paul or anyone else is ever going to be President campaigning against the Fed. Wont happen. If Paul were a rabble rouser and could carry the masses on simple things they understand, he would have a chance. Taking the high ground will never work. Gentleman and politician does not fit in the same sentence.
David Ben Gurion – “In Jerusalem will be the seat of the Supreme Court of Mankind” Rothschild - The Israeli Supreme Court Building 7 Noahide Laws, one is against "Blasphemy" which is code for Christianity....another is the requirement "to establish courts of justice". All "blasphemers" [Christians] to be executed ....by beheading. Merry Christmas, AND OFF WITH YOUR HEAD! "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
I think it is entirely diversion and divide. I think you are both correct. Different groups with different agendas. The homos are pushing it for material gain and the hidden order is pushing it to disrupt and degrade our society. No, it's not. That's why RP's message of Freedom, Peace, and Prosperity resonates with so many. Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson Yes, and the majority of society has to listen to the endless, mind numbing bullshit until comatose. "The few who understand the [FEDERAL RESERVE] system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests." The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.
Yes, and the majority of society has to listen to the endless, mind numbing bullshit until comatose. Agreed. I get so tired of listening to fags complaining about being discriminated against because they are freaking whiney perverts. They can bugger each other as much as they want and I don't care. However, when they begin to try and shove their neuroses down MY throat I do care. By replacing him with a pseudo conservative globalist puppet JUST LIKE THE BLACK MAN? Ensuring ObamaLite and pretending it is some grand improvement is WORTHLESS, IMHO. " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Oh no you don't........you pick a side derb nub it!! lol : ) You're either with us or against us, Patriot. " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
I'd rather have a thousand needles poked in my butt than endure either scenario! " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Exactly... If you vote, you are part of the system. Obama was created for a reason, being President was not the main agenda.
Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson I'd rather have a thousand needles poked in my butt than endure either scenario! Ooooooo! Kinky. What I want to know is would the real cynic please stand up? At the very least, anyone that has participated in this thread will not be surprised at whatever transpires at the convention. After the smoke clears, everyone here will be aware of deals made. I still say odds favor Paul will endorse Rummy. Kisses and smoochies all around.
Thanks Loddy! : )
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
I was thinking serious acupuncture to cure the pain in the ass that will result in the election of either puppet candidate "front runners" in 2012. : ) Great gif though! lol " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Huh?? You just said RP should endorse Johnson and that you'd vote for him.
Don't expect Dr.Paul to diminish his message or betray his supporters by endorsing anyone.
Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson Yep, voting makes me part of the system, if I decide to do so. Remember, Ron is NOT going to endorse anyone. So I am safe. If he endorses Rummy, all my friends here MUST vote Rummy, or Obumski. Ron endorses Johnson, Obama wins, he endorses no one, Obumski likely to win. Just maybe Paul is in on this game????? Never know. Just maybe we are ALL RUBES?????
Sir Lod... Not even Johnson, a fellow republican and libertarian??? I still get solicitations for money from Ron. I forward them to Jethro.
Do you recall this from 2008????? Ron Paul... "I’ve thought about the unsolicited advice from the Libertarian Party candidate, and he has convinced me to reject my neutral stance in the November election. I’m supporting Chuck Baldwin, the Constitution Party candidate".
I like this endorsement, and how does it square with him endorsing Romney as you think he'll do?
I did not recall Paul endorsing anyone last go around. With Rand now a staunch republican, just maybe Ron WILL ENDORSE Rummy???? One thing for certain Jethro, Ron Paul could if he wanted to, make Rummy president. I suspect he will endorse.
He might endorse Gary, but what good it would do, I cannot imagine. There's just no upside to it from any angle. That I can see. Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson Suppose Ron comes out full force for Romney and pleads for all his supporters to vote for Romney. Should we believe that the majority of his faithful would now throw him over???? Or would they perhaps swallow hard and do as he asked?
On a side note: Ann Willard is here hosting a fund-raiser with Mrs.Pointyboots. For 10K, or the pledge to raise 25K(?), you can have your picture taken with Mrs.Willard. Hold your nose and do whatever for the party. Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson Paul has put in a lot of effort into this election, much more than last time. Difficult to envision spending millions, shaking hands across the country, and then just walk away. I cannot honestly see that happening.
Egads, Cyni, Bob Barr was far from a great choice......Chuck Baldwin blew Bob Barr out of the water in regards to moral conscience, ethics, and humility. " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
I didnt recall Paul endorsing anyone, but he did with Baldwin. Cant say as I recall anything about Baldwin, gettin olde. I have been filing away scores of recipes for Crow, just in case I have to go on a crow diet. I understand the feathers are tough to swallow.
I voted for Baldwin. lol.....I hear BBQ crow is the way to go, but pluck that black bird first. : ) " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
What else is an uncompromised, honorable man to do? Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson Lead by example. Most of Pauls speeches contain the word "revolution" at the very beginning. At the end, one comes away with the impression that Paul really means "reform from within the system". Lot of difference between reform and revolution. Going back to his first effort in politics, Paul was all for term limits, no lifelong grasp of power. That fell by the wayside when he realized the system could not be changed. So he was reelected twelve times, like the rest, all within the system. I cannot say for sure if I recall him speaking of term limits anymore. So, if we cannot obtain reform within, why should the system destroy their hold on power by allowing a revolution from within???? It has not and will not. Paul is totally devoid of the word "action" in his vocabulary. Going back to our first true revolution, we had dozens of men advocating "action". The British were on the hunt for them, several had to run for their lives. When the time for military action came, they were there and we are the result. What they gained way back then, we have frittered away, bit by bit and now the yoke has been applied. The South tried to warn us but the North prevailed and the entire country LOST. Ron Paul, good man, honest, intelligent, loves his country but he stands alone at the top and he will not or cannot initiate action.
This bill states that it is the policy of the United States to “reaffirm the enduring commitment of the United States to the security of the State of Israel as a Jewish state.” However, according to our Constitution, the policy of the United States government should be to protect the security of the United States, not to guarantee the religious, ethnic, or cultural composition of a foreign country. In fact, our own Constitution prohibits the establishment of any particular religion in the U.S.
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While I absolutely believe that Israel — and any other nation — should be free to determine for itself what is necessary for its national security, I do not believe that those decisions should be underwritten by U.S. taxpayers and backed up by the U.S. military.
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#4. To: Jethro Tull (#1)
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#5. To: Jethro Tull (#3)
personal dislike,
#6. To: Jethro Tull, Cynicom, All (#3)
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Cyni, I'm sensing that your well founded cynicism has morphed into a personal dislike, which tends to shade your opinion of RP from criticism to harshness. He's a good man, he has a solid message and this run isn't anything like '08. It's far better and he's staying in it till the end. He has grabbed the interest of some in the younger set and hopes of a movement far larger than one man is a possibility. Since no one I know is willing to stick a rifle out of their window yet, he's about the best we got right now.
#7. To: Cynicom (#5)
We have to remember, Romney CANNOT WIN WITHOUT Ron Paul being for or neutral. A negative Paul and we have the black queer again.
#8. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#0)
This bill will not help the United States, it will not help Israel, and it will not help the Middle East.
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#9. To: Cynicom (#2)
run for president three times, always with an anti ISRAEL agenda and is tolerated and ignored?
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#10. To: Jethro Tull (#3)
I'm sensing that your well founded cynicism has morphed into a personal dislike
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I'm sensing that your well founded cynicism has morphed into a personal dislike
#12. To: Prefrontal Vortex, Jethro Tull (#9)
So of course he's no threat and is not to be taken seriously.
#13. To: Jethro Tull (#7)
Your suggestion here is that RP, for the good of the party, will toss aside his principles for a Republican victory. I can honestly say you are nearly alone in your assessment for a number of reasons, the main one being fellow Rs despise him and an endorsement would not only cripple all RP has tried to build, but also it would hamstring his son's future, one you feel strongly is tied to his presidential run. Cyni, IMO he isn't going to Tampa with his delegates to back Romney.
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#15. To: Prefrontal Vortex, Jethro Tull (#13)
Paul Jr. is less radical than daddy.
#16. To: Cynicom (#15)
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#17. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#10)
Ron Paul and AIPAC agree on something.
#18. To: Cynicom, 4um (#15)
He is for all right to work laws as workers have no rights, then he announces that "doctors have the right to earn a COMFORTABLE living.
#19. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#16)
I don't think he's made a deal.
#20. To: Jethro Tull (#17)
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#21. To: Prefrontal Vortex, Jethro Tull (#20)
#22. To: Cynicom (#19)
I say he goes positive to some unknown degree with Romney.
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#23. To: Cynicom (#21)
Jethro will furnish the crow, I will have to furnish my own ketchup.
#24. To: Jethro Tull (#18)
The young people, and the growing number of vets aren't party pods and leadership will have to be earned, not handed down which is the essence of elitism.
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#25. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#24)
A Paul endorsement won't actually help Romney much.
#26. To: Jethro Tull (#23)
It should be an interesting convention.
#27. To: Cynicom (#25)
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#28. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#27)
But Paul will endorse Romney out of a sense of duty to the country.
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#30. To: Lod (#29)
Paul will not endorse willard, just as he didn't endorse mckook.
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#33. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#27)
But Paul will endorse Romney out of a sense of duty to the country.
#34. To: abraxas (#33)
Has Paul's duty morphed a 180 since he refused to back McCain?
#35. To: Jethro Tull (#3)
Cyni, I'm sensing that your well founded cynicism has morphed into a personal dislike, which tends to shade your opinion of RP from criticism to harshness. He's a good man, he has a solid message and this run isn't anything like '08. It's far better and he's staying in it till the end. He has grabbed the interest of some in the younger set and hopes of a movement far larger than one man is a possibility. Since no one I know is willing to stick a rifle out of their window yet, he's about the best we got right now.
#36. To: Cynicom (#34)
We now have a third party choice in Johnson.
#37. To: abraxas (#33)
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#38. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#37)
Romney will save money.
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#41. To: Prefrontal Vortex, cynicom (#32)
#42. To: Cynicom, Jethro Tull (#25)
That being the case, what would be the effect of a neutral stance or vocal opposition?
#43. To: abraxas (#40)
Romney was asked why he wouldn't cut one trillion out of this nations 15 trillion and growing debt.......he said:
#44. To: abraxas (#38)
Did he claim he is going to cut spending someplace?
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#45. To: Artisan, cynicom (#41)
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#46. To: Original_Intent, 4um (#42)
I don't think RP will endorse Oromney I think he will likely go neutral or vaguely negative - but not overtly or strongly negative.
#47. To: Cynicom, all (#15)
Since Rand arrived I have taken care to read as much about his views as possible.
#48. To: Jethro Tull, Original_Intent, 4 (#46)
#49. To: Artisan (#41)
there's no way paul would ever endorse someone like romney
#50. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#37)
Romney will save money.
#51. To: Jethro Tull (#46)
I don't think RP will endorse Oromney
#52. To: Cynicom, all (#51)
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That being the case, it would have to be acceptable to Paul that Obama remain President?
#53. To: Cynicom, 4 (#51)
As a "loyal republican" it is difficult for me to see Paul standing aside, doing nothing.
#54. To: Jethro Tull (#53)
. BTW, who is the last presidential nominee he endorsed? McCain? Bush II? Bush I? Dole? If the answer is that he didn't endorse any of them, I think you'll notice a distinct pattern which will carry through to November.
#55. To: Cynicom, 4um (#54)
If we look at that pattern of the past, compare it to the present and future, we find one very glaring difference , RAND PAUL.
#56. To: Original_Intent (#43)
He is soooooooooooooo owned.
#57. To: Jethro Tull (#55)
Whereas you think a Romney endorsement will help Rand, the opposite is actually true.
#58. To: Jethro Tull, Cynicom (#55)
Whereas you think a Romney endorsement will help Rand, the opposite is actually true.
#59. To: Cynicom (#57)
Ron WILL NOT do anything that harms his sons future, he is a Father first, a republican second.
#60. To: abraxas (#59)
Backing Romney will HARM any chance for Rand because the base will exit stage left Cyni.....
#61. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#50)
His "saving money" likely means he MIGHT spend 1-3% less than what Obama would have spent.
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#62. To: Cynicom (#57)
Now there is a contradiction of contradictions.
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#64. To: Jethro Tull (#53)
If the answer is that he didn't endorse any of them, I think you'll notice a distinct pattern which will carry through to November.
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#65. To: Jethro Tull, cynicom (#55)
Whereas you think a Romney endorsement will help Rand, the opposite is actually true.
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#66. To: Jethro Tull, abraxas (#62)
It damn well is worth a shot.
#67. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#65)
I can see him forsaking his son.
#68. To: Jethro Tull (#62)
Think back to how the paleoconservatives in the Republican party squawked when the neoconservatives were allowed to stick their nose under the tent. Those same Zeos now control the party and the paleo's are on the outside looking in. So, we aren't discussing rudimentary math here, but rather a bold initiative to reform one wing of the national politic. It damn well is worth a shot.
#69. To: Cynicom (#67)
We must remember that the supreme goal here for Paul is to capture the republican nomination for President.
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#70. To: Jethro Tull (#62)
His movement is not a Republican movement, but rather a Fabian-like stealth attempt to infect the Republican party with libertarian thinkers.
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#71. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#70)
Oh c'mon. Paul and most Paulites haven't a stealthy bone in their body.
#72. To: randge (#68)
Yes, It damn well IS worth a shot.
#73. To: Jethro Tull (#63)
It's never too early for good tunes :P
#74. To: Jethro Tull (#72)
I'll join the sitters should the candidates be O or R.
#75. To: Prefrontal Vortex, Jethro tull (#69)
That is not Paul's supreme goal.
#76. To: abraxas (#56)
He is soooooooooooooo owned.
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#78. To: abraxas, christine, 4um (#73)
Higher Ground
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#82. To: Cynicom (#75)
I hate to think they are all Rubes??????
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#83. To: Prefrontal Vortex, Jethro tull, Abraxas, Christine, Assorted Rubes, (#82)
#84. To: Cynicom, Prefrontal Vortex, Jethro tull, Unsorted Rubes (#83)
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that they would be supporting Bob Johnson en masse, as soon as Romney is coronated?????
#85. To: Jethro Tull, Original_Intent, 4um (#79)
This entire gay marriage thing is entirely about economics and insurance.
#86. To: abraxas (#84)
I don't know about this Bob Johnson character......but if the two party frauds offers two frauds--Obama and Romney--and calls it a choice, I'll be voting for Gary Johnson on the Libertarian Ticket. : )
#87. To: abraxas, Cynicom, Prefrontal Vortex, Rubicons (#84)
#88. To: Prefrontal Vortex, Jethro tull, Abraxas, Christine, Assorted Rubes, (#84)
I'll be voting for Gary Johnson on the Libertarian Ticket. : )
#89. To: Cynicom (#88)
I will BE TICKED OFF IF PAUL DOES NOT ENDORSE JOHNSON.
#90. To: Jethro Tull (#87)
If Johnson is on the ballot here in PA, I'll join you all.
#91. To: abraxas (#89)
But, Cyni my dear, you are already ticked off at Dr. Paul, so why is his endorsement so important to you?
#92. To: Cynicom (#91)
You send a note to Ron, endorse Johnson now and hit the campaign trail for him.
#93. To: abraxas (#89)
But, Cyni my dear, you are already ticked off at Dr. Paul, so why is his endorsement so important to you? No, he will not kiss Mitt butt. And, no, liberty minded people will not swoon.
#94. To: Prefrontal Vortex, Jethro tull, Christine, Assorted Rubes, (#92)
. After that, depending on the outcome, I may join Gary Johnson's campaign. : )
#95. To: Cynicom (#83)
Bob Johnson
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#96. To: Lod, abraxas (#93)
No, he will not kiss Mitt butt.
#97. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#95)
Never heard of him.
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#99. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#0)
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This bill states that it is the policy of the United States to “reaffirm the enduring commitment of the United States to the security of the State of Israel as a Jewish state.” However, according to our Constitution, the policy of the United States government should be to protect the security of the United States, not to guarantee the religious, ethnic, or cultural composition of a foreign country. In fact, our own Constitution prohibits the establishment of any particular religion in the U.S.
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#100. To: Lod (#98)
I'd rather the kenyan
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#101. To: Lod (#98)
I'd rather the kenyan, and his fat-assed wookie
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#103. To: noone222 (#102)
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#104. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#0)
... www.gnosticliberationfron...__the_israeli_supreme.htm
www.public-action.com/christmas.html
#105. To: abraxas, Jethro Tull (#85)
This entire gay marriage thing is entirely about economics and insurance.
#106. To: Cynicom (#101)
As of now, I will have to register and vote for Johnson, or do nothing and stay home. Not much of a choice.
#107. To: Original_Intent (#105)
Different groups with different agendas. The homos are pushing it for material gain and the hidden order is pushing it to disrupt and degrade our society.
#108. To: noone222 (#107)
Different groups with different agendas. The homos are pushing it for material gain and the hidden order is pushing it to disrupt and degrade our society.
#109. To: Cynicom (#96)
My thinking is that Paul COULD ENSURE THAT THE BLACK MAN LEAVES.
#110. To: Original_Intent, Jethro (#105)
I think you are both correct. Different groups with different agendas. The homos are pushing it for material gain and the hidden order is pushing it to disrupt and degrade our society.
#111. To: Lod (#98)
I'd rather the kenyan, and his fat-assed wookie, stay put than have willard and his wench have an eight year go at us.
#112. To: abraxas (#109)
By replacing him with a pseudo conservative globalist puppet JUST LIKE THE BLACK MAN?
#113. To: abraxas (#111)
just for you -
#114. To: abraxas, Lod, farmfriend (#111)
I'd rather the kenyan, and his fat-assed wookie, stay put than have willard and his wench have an eight year go at us.
#115. To: abraxas, Cynicom (#109)
Ensuring ObamaLite and pretending it is some grand improvement is WORTHLESS, IMHO.
#116. To: Original_Intent, Jethro Tull (#115)
What I want to know is would the real cynic please stand up?
#117. To: Lod (#113)
#118. To: Original_Intent, Lod, farmfriend (#114)
#119. To: Cynicom (#112)
If you vote, you are part of the system.
#120. To: Jethro Tull, 4 (#119)
#121. To: Jethro Tull (#119)
You just said RP should endorse Johnson and that you'd vote for him.
#122. To: Lod (#120)
Don't expect Dr.Paul to diminish his message or betray his supporters by endorsing anyone.
#123. To: Jethro Tull (#119)
#124. To: Cynicom (#123)
I’m supporting Chuck Baldwin, the Constitution Party candidate".
#125. To: Jethro Tull (#124)
I like this endorsement, and how does it square with him endorsing Romney as you think he'll do?
#126. To: Cynicom (#122)
#127. To: All (#125)
#128. To: All (#126)
#129. To: Lod (#126)
#130. To: Cynicom (#123)
"I’ve thought about the unsolicited advice from the Libertarian Party candidate, and he has convinced me to reject my neutral stance in the November election. I’m supporting Chuck Baldwin, the Constitution Party candidate".
#131. To: abraxas (#130)
#132. To: Cynicom (#131)
#133. To: Cynicom (#129)
Difficult to envision spending millions, shaking hands across the country, and then just walk away.
#134. To: Lod, Jethro tull, (#133)
What else is an uncompromised, honorable man to do?
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