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Title: Bad for America, Bad for Israel, Bad for the World (Dr. Ron Paul)
Source: antiwar.com
URL Source: http://original.antiwar.com/paul/20 ... -for-israel-bad-for-the-world/
Published: May 10, 2012
Author: Dr. Ron Paul
Post Date: 2012-05-10 08:12:53 by F.A. Hayek Fan
Keywords: None
Views: 1956
Comments: 134

Mr. Speaker: I rise in opposition to H.R. 4133, the United States-Israel Enhanced Security Cooperation Act, which unfortunately is another piece of one-sided and counterproductive foreign policy legislation. This bill’s real intent seems to be more saber-rattling against Iran and Syria, and it undermines U.S. diplomatic efforts by making clear that the U.S. is not an honest broker seeking peace for the Middle East.

The bill calls for the United States to significantly increase our provision of sophisticated weaponry to Israel, and states that it is to be U.S. policy to “help Israel preserve its qualitative military edge” in the region.

While I absolutely believe that Israel — and any other nation — should be free to determine for itself what is necessary for its national security, I do not believe that those decisions should be underwritten by U.S. taxpayers and backed up by the U.S. military.

This bill states that it is the policy of the United States to “reaffirm the enduring commitment of the United States to the security of the State of Israel as a Jewish state.” However, according to our Constitution, the policy of the United States government should be to protect the security of the United States, not to guarantee the religious, ethnic, or cultural composition of a foreign country. In fact, our own Constitution prohibits the establishment of any particular religion in the U.S.

More than 20 years after the reason for NATO’s existence — the Warsaw Pact — has disappeared, this legislation seeks to find a new mission for that anachronistic alliance: the defense of Israel. Calling for “an expanded role for Israel within the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), including an enhanced presence at NATO headquarters and exercises,” it reads like a dream for interventionists and the military-industrial complex. As I have said many times, NATO should be disbanded, not expanded.

This bill will not help the United States, it will not help Israel, and it will not help the Middle East. It will implicitly authorize much more U.S. interventionism in the region at a time when we cannot afford the foreign commitments we already have. It more likely will lead to war against Syria, Iran, or both. I urge my colleagues to vote against this bill.

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#22. To: Cynicom (#19)

I say he goes positive to some unknown degree with Romney.

I agree, as all libertarians really care about is money.

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Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-05-10   11:12:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Cynicom (#21)

Jethro will furnish the crow, I will have to furnish my own ketchup.

:P

It should be an interesting convention.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-05-10   11:13:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Jethro Tull (#18)

The young people, and the growing number of vets aren't party pods and leadership will have to be earned, not handed down which is the essence of elitism.

That is true, and that's another reason I don't think Paul has made a deal.

A Paul endorsement won't actually help Romney much.

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This communication from Paul about this bill is 100% establishment respectable.

It is not revolutionary. It is not heretical.

HERESY would be basically the same communication, except to OMIT whether it's good for Israel.

HERESY would then be, when asked whether it's bad for Israel, to say "I don't know." Period.

An old lonely slave comes back from the grave
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Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-05-10   11:22:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#24)

A Paul endorsement won't actually help Romney much.

That being the case, what would be the effect of a neutral stance or vocal opposition?

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-10   11:29:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Jethro Tull (#23)

It should be an interesting convention.

It surely will! Anyone counting Ron Paul out at this juncture is going to get the surprise of their life. This country is so far gone that our very survival, including the MIC, Big Bankers,MSM, the Courts, will all perish with the rest of us. A Ron Paul presidency is the only way we can turn things around. More and more people every day are beginning to wise up to the tyrants in Washington and on Wall St.

I believe we will see a Ron Paul inaugaration come January 2013.

ambi  posted on  2012-05-10   11:32:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Cynicom (#25)

Not much besides maybe hurting Jr.

But Paul will endorse Romney out of a sense of duty to the country.

If Paul actually did have some will to power, more people on the left would bolt his way.

Most Paul supporters are of no use to anybody but Paul. It's either Paul or stay home.

An old lonely slave comes back from the grave
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For his master who's long gone on

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-05-10   12:47:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#27)

But Paul will endorse Romney out of a sense of duty to the country.

I do not understand such.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-10   12:59:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Prefrontal Vortex, 4 (#27)

Paul will not endorse willard, just as he didn't endorse mckook.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2012-05-10   13:02:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Lod (#29)

Paul will not endorse willard, just as he didn't endorse mckook.

That being the case, we may well have the black man another four years, plus Rand would be a one term Senator.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-10   13:10:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Lod (#29)

At the time, Paul said he liked Obama's foreign policy stance.

An old lonely slave comes back from the grave
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For his master who's long gone on

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-05-10   13:41:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Cynicom (#28)

I agree it's quaint.

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Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-05-10   13:43:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#27)

But Paul will endorse Romney out of a sense of duty to the country.

Has Paul's duty morphed a 180 since he refused to back McCain?

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-10   14:30:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: abraxas (#33)

Has Paul's duty morphed a 180 since he refused to back McCain?

Paul no play, another four years for black idiot.

We now have a third party choice in Johnson.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-10   15:11:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Jethro Tull (#3)

Cyni, I'm sensing that your well founded cynicism has morphed into a personal dislike, which tends to shade your opinion of RP from criticism to harshness. He's a good man, he has a solid message and this run isn't anything like '08. It's far better and he's staying in it till the end. He has grabbed the interest of some in the younger set and hopes of a movement far larger than one man is a possibility. Since no one I know is willing to stick a rifle out of their window yet, he's about the best we got right now.

Don't fall for his schtick JT. The guy is a liberal troll. He's been bad mouthing and trying to undermine Dr. Paul for years and just yesterday started bad mouthing and trying to undermine Hayek and Mises, two people who have contributed to more to Austrian economics than anyone in the 20th century and in the case of Hayek is considered by just about every Libertarian/classical liberal political junkie to be one the greatest political philosophers that ever lived.

You have to remember that he is a career federal bureaucrat who feels threatened by the ideas of Dr. Paul, von Mises, and Hayek. He's been a drain on society for his entire adult life and despises anyone who realizes it.

Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown

Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2012-05-10   15:33:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Cynicom (#34)

We now have a third party choice in Johnson.

If it comes down to a battle between Obama and Obama-lite, I'm with Johnson. : )

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-10   17:44:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: abraxas (#33)

Hey, I could be wrong. But the choices are not the same this time.

Foreign policy not much difference; Romney will save money.

An old lonely slave comes back from the grave
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For his master who's long gone on

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-05-10   18:22:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#37)

Romney will save money.

lol.....how so? Does he have a plan to cut empire that I'm not privy too? Does he have a plan to snuff out the corporate oligarchy that is rotting the federal government to the core?

Did he claim he is going to cut spending someplace? Anyplace?

He's going to campaign against gay marriage......this is the big clue that nothing will change in regards to this bankrupt nation spending like Imelda Marcos in a shoe store.

Save money...that's a good one! : )

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-10   23:01:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#37)

lol......Romney will save money like George Bush abolished nation building. : )

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-10   23:03:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#37)

Romney was asked why he wouldn't cut one trillion out of this nations 15 trillion and growing debt.......he said:

“The reason,” Romney explained, “is taking a trillion dollars out of a $15 trillion economy would cause our economy to shrink [and] would put a lot of people out of work.”

So, he's a Keynesian just like Obama and has no plan to save money at all. I guess Romney forgot that the government can't spend $1 trillion without first taking it from the private sector or devaluation of the dollar by printing more debt. Either way.......we're screwed with an Omaba lite plan and there will be no saving of money.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-10   23:14:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Prefrontal Vortex, cynicom (#32)

there's no way paul would ever endorse someone like romney. If he did that, even Paul's loyal supporters would say he's gone senile, crazy or is a traitor. It will never happen in a million years.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2012-05-11   0:11:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Cynicom, Jethro Tull (#25)

That being the case, what would be the effect of a neutral stance or vocal opposition?

I don't think RP will endorse Oromney I think he will likely go neutral or vaguely negative - but not overtly or strongly negative.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-05-11   0:39:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: abraxas (#40)

Romney was asked why he wouldn't cut one trillion out of this nations 15 trillion and growing debt.......he said:

“The reason,” Romney explained, “is taking a trillion dollars out of a $15 trillion economy would cause our economy to shrink [and] would put a lot of people out of work.”

So, he's a Keynesian just like Obama and has no plan to save money at all. I guess Romney forgot that the government can't spend $1 trillion without first taking it from the private sector or devaluation of the dollar by printing more debt. Either way.......we're screwed with an Omaba lite plan and there will be no saving of money.

Romney gives whores a good name.

He is soooooooooooooo owned.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-05-11   0:42:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: abraxas (#38)

Did he claim he is going to cut spending someplace?

Ah well. That's different.

But I take your point in the general sense that the purpose of "conservatives" is to secure the last revolution won by the left.

He'll approve a pipeline Obama won't or something. Mo money.

An old lonely slave comes back from the grave
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For his master who's long gone on

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-05-11   2:16:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Artisan, cynicom (#41)

"It would be an honor to be considered" as Romney's veep.

Simply endorsing his own son doesn't mean he's making a deal. And it's not like Paul can control his delegates anyway.

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Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-05-11   2:22:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Original_Intent, 4um (#42)

I don't think RP will endorse Oromney I think he will likely go neutral or vaguely negative - but not overtly or strongly negative.

Agree.

RP uses the Republican Party as a vehicle to promote his vision for America and not for the country club perks. Romney would and will surly look for his support, but I'd put the chances of that happening at zero percent.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-05-11   8:29:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Cynicom, all (#15)

Since Rand arrived I have taken care to read as much about his views as possible.

Rand tells us that "big labor" is to blame for the national debt, to blame for the deficit, to blame for lack of jobs, etc etc.

Thats fair but he neglects to tell his readers that big labor is now but eight per cent of the American work force.......

He is for all right to work laws as workers have no rights, then he announces that "doctors have the right to earn a COMFORTABLE living.

Paul has made a deal. If not I maintain the right to use as much ketchup as I like while eating crow.

It has been reported on more than one occasion that the US federal government is the largest employer in the United States. As one of the largest unions in the United States, the federal employees union, which you have been a lifelong member of, does indeed play a role in increasing our national debt.

Thats fair but he neglects to tell his readers that big labor is now but eight per cent of the American work force.......

Uh huh. First of all, you are a liar, which goes without saying since you are a liberal. Union Labor makes up 12.45% of the workforce. How many of that 12.4% are federal employees stealing money directly from the American taxpayer? Dr. Paul never claimed that they were the only ones playing a role.

He is for all right to work laws as workers have no rights, then he announces that "doctors have the right to earn a COMFORTABLE living.

Once again you toss out Democrat talking points and prove yourself to be nothing less than a liberal troll. It amazes me how many people on this board fall for your Obamabot bullshit.

Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown

Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2012-05-11   9:48:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Jethro Tull, Original_Intent, 4 (#46)

The fat lady has not dropped a note.....

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-11   9:51:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Artisan (#41)

there's no way paul would ever endorse someone like romney

There was ...never...any way JFK would take a man of LBJs character as VP...

That was set in concrete, deals were made and JFK and LBJ both became President.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-11   9:52:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#37)

Romney will save money.

What actions in his past public life makes you believe that he will save money? He is a Massachusetts Republican, meaning he's a big government liberal. That's how he governed Massachusetts and that's how he will govern the United States. His "saving money" likely means he MIGHT spend 1-3% less than what Obama would have spent. This might be enough for some but when you are talking trillions of dollars, that percentage is statistically insignificant to the point of being nonexistent in terms of the effects it will have.

Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown

Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2012-05-11   9:54:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Jethro Tull (#46)

I don't think RP will endorse Oromney

That being the case, it would have to be acceptable to Paul that Obama remain President?

As a "loyal republican" it is difficult for me to see Paul standing aside, doing nothing.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-11   9:56:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Cynicom, all (#51) (Edited)

That being the case, it would have to be acceptable to Paul that Obama remain President?

As a "loyal republican" it is difficult for me to see Paul standing aside, doing nothing.

Why would this be so remarkable Mr. liberal agenda? He stood aside and did nothing when McCain ran.

Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown

Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2012-05-11   10:01:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Cynicom, 4 (#51)

As a "loyal republican" it is difficult for me to see Paul standing aside, doing nothing.

I can see your having difficulty with the issue. Again, just because Paul uses the Republican Party as a vehicle to reach people with his freedom message doesn't mean he is a member of the 'club.' He isn't and most here know this simply by having watched the debates and seeing how different his positions on war and the economy are when compared to the other pubes. BTW, who is the last presidential nominee he endorsed? McCain? Bush II? Bush I? Dole? If the answer is that he didn't endorse any of them, I think you'll notice a distinct pattern which will carry through to November.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-05-11   10:09:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Jethro Tull (#53)

. BTW, who is the last presidential nominee he endorsed? McCain? Bush II? Bush I? Dole? If the answer is that he didn't endorse any of them, I think you'll notice a distinct pattern which will carry through to November.

If we look at that pattern of the past, compare it to the present and future, we find one very glaring difference , RAND PAUL.

I know of no Father that would do anything to hinder the future of his own Son, in fact most Fathers would do all in their power to aid that future.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-11   10:18:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Cynicom, 4um (#54)

If we look at that pattern of the past, compare it to the present and future, we find one very glaring difference , RAND PAUL.

I know of no Father that would do anything to hinder the future of his own Son, in fact most Fathers would do all in their power to aid that future.

OK, so your answer is that RP HASN'T endorsed any of the previous nominees. We agree. And about Rand. If Pop wants to ensure that Rand forever carries a neocon yoke around his neck for the length of his political career, then he'll ENDORSE Romney. Whereas you think a Romney endorsement will help Rand, the opposite is actually true.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-05-11   10:28:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Original_Intent (#43)

He is soooooooooooooo owned.

And the masses will flock to back another puppet because he spoke out against gay marriage, an issue that actually impacts less than 3% of the population (including the divorce attorneys).

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-11   10:42:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Jethro Tull (#55)

Whereas you think a Romney endorsement will help Rand, the opposite is actually true.

Now there is a contradiction of contradictions.

Two things are likely to happen if Ron "sits" this one out.

The black man might well remain President and the "party" stalwarts will owe Rand nothing, in fact might well make sure Rand goes away.

Your political math is askew, in politics 2 plus 2 does NOT always equal 4. In politics there are things going on all the time that we have no knowledge of, namely, Ron WILL NOT do anything that harms his sons future, he is a Father first, a republican second.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-11   10:42:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Jethro Tull, Cynicom (#55)

Whereas you think a Romney endorsement will help Rand, the opposite is actually true.

I second that emotion.......feeling Smokey this mornin'. : )

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-11   10:43:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Cynicom (#57)

Ron WILL NOT do anything that harms his sons future, he is a Father first, a republican second.

Backing Romney will HARM any chance for Rand because the base will exit stage left Cyni.....

Your focus is all on the GOP good ol' boys and not the actual movement/revolution that Ron Paul has built up.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-11   10:45:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: abraxas (#59)

Backing Romney will HARM any chance for Rand because the base will exit stage left Cyni.....

Your focus is all on the GOP good ol' boys and not the actual movement/revolution that Ron Paul has built up.

You are an astute enough young lady to sense that this thread would have gone nowhere if there had not been a consistent adverse opinion.

PM me with your observation.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-11   10:49:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#50)

His "saving money" likely means he MIGHT spend 1-3% less than what Obama would have spent.

Hey now, one percent divided by 1% is a lot!

An old lonely slave comes back from the grave
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For his master who's long gone on

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-05-11   10:53:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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