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Title: Bad for America, Bad for Israel, Bad for the World (Dr. Ron Paul)
Source: antiwar.com
URL Source: http://original.antiwar.com/paul/20 ... -for-israel-bad-for-the-world/
Published: May 10, 2012
Author: Dr. Ron Paul
Post Date: 2012-05-10 08:12:53 by F.A. Hayek Fan
Keywords: None
Views: 2018
Comments: 134

Mr. Speaker: I rise in opposition to H.R. 4133, the United States-Israel Enhanced Security Cooperation Act, which unfortunately is another piece of one-sided and counterproductive foreign policy legislation. This bill’s real intent seems to be more saber-rattling against Iran and Syria, and it undermines U.S. diplomatic efforts by making clear that the U.S. is not an honest broker seeking peace for the Middle East.

The bill calls for the United States to significantly increase our provision of sophisticated weaponry to Israel, and states that it is to be U.S. policy to “help Israel preserve its qualitative military edge” in the region.

While I absolutely believe that Israel — and any other nation — should be free to determine for itself what is necessary for its national security, I do not believe that those decisions should be underwritten by U.S. taxpayers and backed up by the U.S. military.

This bill states that it is the policy of the United States to “reaffirm the enduring commitment of the United States to the security of the State of Israel as a Jewish state.” However, according to our Constitution, the policy of the United States government should be to protect the security of the United States, not to guarantee the religious, ethnic, or cultural composition of a foreign country. In fact, our own Constitution prohibits the establishment of any particular religion in the U.S.

More than 20 years after the reason for NATO’s existence — the Warsaw Pact — has disappeared, this legislation seeks to find a new mission for that anachronistic alliance: the defense of Israel. Calling for “an expanded role for Israel within the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), including an enhanced presence at NATO headquarters and exercises,” it reads like a dream for interventionists and the military-industrial complex. As I have said many times, NATO should be disbanded, not expanded.

This bill will not help the United States, it will not help Israel, and it will not help the Middle East. It will implicitly authorize much more U.S. interventionism in the region at a time when we cannot afford the foreign commitments we already have. It more likely will lead to war against Syria, Iran, or both. I urge my colleagues to vote against this bill.

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lol......Romney will save money like George Bush abolished nation building. : )

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-10   23:03:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Romney was asked why he wouldn't cut one trillion out of this nations 15 trillion and growing debt.......he said:

“The reason,” Romney explained, “is taking a trillion dollars out of a $15 trillion economy would cause our economy to shrink [and] would put a lot of people out of work.”

So, he's a Keynesian just like Obama and has no plan to save money at all. I guess Romney forgot that the government can't spend $1 trillion without first taking it from the private sector or devaluation of the dollar by printing more debt. Either way.......we're screwed with an Omaba lite plan and there will be no saving of money.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-10   23:14:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

there's no way paul would ever endorse someone like romney. If he did that, even Paul's loyal supporters would say he's gone senile, crazy or is a traitor. It will never happen in a million years.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2012-05-11   0:11:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That being the case, what would be the effect of a neutral stance or vocal opposition?

I don't think RP will endorse Oromney I think he will likely go neutral or vaguely negative - but not overtly or strongly negative.

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-05-11   0:39:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Romney was asked why he wouldn't cut one trillion out of this nations 15 trillion and growing debt.......he said:

“The reason,” Romney explained, “is taking a trillion dollars out of a $15 trillion economy would cause our economy to shrink [and] would put a lot of people out of work.”

So, he's a Keynesian just like Obama and has no plan to save money at all. I guess Romney forgot that the government can't spend $1 trillion without first taking it from the private sector or devaluation of the dollar by printing more debt. Either way.......we're screwed with an Omaba lite plan and there will be no saving of money.

Romney gives whores a good name.

He is soooooooooooooo owned.

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-05-11   0:42:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Did he claim he is going to cut spending someplace?

Ah well. That's different.

But I take your point in the general sense that the purpose of "conservatives" is to secure the last revolution won by the left.

He'll approve a pipeline Obama won't or something. Mo money.

An old lonely slave comes back from the grave
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For his master who's long gone on

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-05-11   2:16:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It would be an honor to be considered" as Romney's veep.

Simply endorsing his own son doesn't mean he's making a deal. And it's not like Paul can control his delegates anyway.

An old lonely slave comes back from the grave
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For his master who's long gone on

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-05-11   2:22:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't think RP will endorse Oromney I think he will likely go neutral or vaguely negative - but not overtly or strongly negative.

Agree.

RP uses the Republican Party as a vehicle to promote his vision for America and not for the country club perks. Romney would and will surly look for his support, but I'd put the chances of that happening at zero percent.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-05-11   8:29:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Since Rand arrived I have taken care to read as much about his views as possible.

Rand tells us that "big labor" is to blame for the national debt, to blame for the deficit, to blame for lack of jobs, etc etc.

Thats fair but he neglects to tell his readers that big labor is now but eight per cent of the American work force.......

He is for all right to work laws as workers have no rights, then he announces that "doctors have the right to earn a COMFORTABLE living.

Paul has made a deal. If not I maintain the right to use as much ketchup as I like while eating crow.

It has been reported on more than one occasion that the US federal government is the largest employer in the United States. As one of the largest unions in the United States, the federal employees union, which you have been a lifelong member of, does indeed play a role in increasing our national debt.

Thats fair but he neglects to tell his readers that big labor is now but eight per cent of the American work force.......

Uh huh. First of all, you are a liar, which goes without saying since you are a liberal. Union Labor makes up 12.45% of the workforce. How many of that 12.4% are federal employees stealing money directly from the American taxpayer? Dr. Paul never claimed that they were the only ones playing a role.

He is for all right to work laws as workers have no rights, then he announces that "doctors have the right to earn a COMFORTABLE living.

Once again you toss out Democrat talking points and prove yourself to be nothing less than a liberal troll. It amazes me how many people on this board fall for your Obamabot bullshit.

Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown

Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2012-05-11   9:48:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The fat lady has not dropped a note.....

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-11   9:51:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

there's no way paul would ever endorse someone like romney

There was ...never...any way JFK would take a man of LBJs character as VP...

That was set in concrete, deals were made and JFK and LBJ both became President.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-11   9:52:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Romney will save money.

What actions in his past public life makes you believe that he will save money? He is a Massachusetts Republican, meaning he's a big government liberal. That's how he governed Massachusetts and that's how he will govern the United States. His "saving money" likely means he MIGHT spend 1-3% less than what Obama would have spent. This might be enough for some but when you are talking trillions of dollars, that percentage is statistically insignificant to the point of being nonexistent in terms of the effects it will have.

Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown

Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2012-05-11   9:54:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't think RP will endorse Oromney

That being the case, it would have to be acceptable to Paul that Obama remain President?

As a "loyal republican" it is difficult for me to see Paul standing aside, doing nothing.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-11   9:56:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That being the case, it would have to be acceptable to Paul that Obama remain President?

As a "loyal republican" it is difficult for me to see Paul standing aside, doing nothing.

Why would this be so remarkable Mr. liberal agenda? He stood aside and did nothing when McCain ran.

Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown

Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2012-05-11   10:01:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

As a "loyal republican" it is difficult for me to see Paul standing aside, doing nothing.

I can see your having difficulty with the issue. Again, just because Paul uses the Republican Party as a vehicle to reach people with his freedom message doesn't mean he is a member of the 'club.' He isn't and most here know this simply by having watched the debates and seeing how different his positions on war and the economy are when compared to the other pubes. BTW, who is the last presidential nominee he endorsed? McCain? Bush II? Bush I? Dole? If the answer is that he didn't endorse any of them, I think you'll notice a distinct pattern which will carry through to November.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-05-11   10:09:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

. BTW, who is the last presidential nominee he endorsed? McCain? Bush II? Bush I? Dole? If the answer is that he didn't endorse any of them, I think you'll notice a distinct pattern which will carry through to November.

If we look at that pattern of the past, compare it to the present and future, we find one very glaring difference , RAND PAUL.

I know of no Father that would do anything to hinder the future of his own Son, in fact most Fathers would do all in their power to aid that future.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-11   10:18:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If we look at that pattern of the past, compare it to the present and future, we find one very glaring difference , RAND PAUL.

I know of no Father that would do anything to hinder the future of his own Son, in fact most Fathers would do all in their power to aid that future.

OK, so your answer is that RP HASN'T endorsed any of the previous nominees. We agree. And about Rand. If Pop wants to ensure that Rand forever carries a neocon yoke around his neck for the length of his political career, then he'll ENDORSE Romney. Whereas you think a Romney endorsement will help Rand, the opposite is actually true.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-05-11   10:28:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He is soooooooooooooo owned.

And the masses will flock to back another puppet because he spoke out against gay marriage, an issue that actually impacts less than 3% of the population (including the divorce attorneys).

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-11   10:42:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Whereas you think a Romney endorsement will help Rand, the opposite is actually true.

Now there is a contradiction of contradictions.

Two things are likely to happen if Ron "sits" this one out.

The black man might well remain President and the "party" stalwarts will owe Rand nothing, in fact might well make sure Rand goes away.

Your political math is askew, in politics 2 plus 2 does NOT always equal 4. In politics there are things going on all the time that we have no knowledge of, namely, Ron WILL NOT do anything that harms his sons future, he is a Father first, a republican second.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-11   10:42:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Whereas you think a Romney endorsement will help Rand, the opposite is actually true.

I second that emotion.......feeling Smokey this mornin'. : )

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-11   10:43:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Ron WILL NOT do anything that harms his sons future, he is a Father first, a republican second.

Backing Romney will HARM any chance for Rand because the base will exit stage left Cyni.....

Your focus is all on the GOP good ol' boys and not the actual movement/revolution that Ron Paul has built up.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-11   10:45:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Backing Romney will HARM any chance for Rand because the base will exit stage left Cyni.....

Your focus is all on the GOP good ol' boys and not the actual movement/revolution that Ron Paul has built up.

You are an astute enough young lady to sense that this thread would have gone nowhere if there had not been a consistent adverse opinion.

PM me with your observation.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-11   10:49:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

His "saving money" likely means he MIGHT spend 1-3% less than what Obama would have spent.

Hey now, one percent divided by 1% is a lot!

An old lonely slave comes back from the grave
Searching... searching... searching
For his master who's long gone on

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-05-11   10:53:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Now there is a contradiction of contradictions.

Two things are likely to happen if Ron "sits" this one out.

The black man might well remain President and the "party" stalwarts will owe Rand nothing, in fact might well make sure Rand goes away.

Your political math is askew, in politics 2 plus 2 does NOT always equal 4. In politics there are things going on all the time that we have no knowledge of, namely, Ron WILL NOT do anything that harms his sons future, he is a Father first, a republican second.

All this misses the mark by a wide margin. RP has built a movement that will head on down to Tampa and be vocal. His movement is not a Republican movement, but rather a Fabian-like stealth attempt to infect the Republican party with libertarian thinkers. Is it possible? You bet. Think back to how the paleoconservatives in the Republican party squawked when the neoconservatives were allowed to stick their nose under the tent. Those same Zeos now control the party and the paleo's are on the outside looking in. So, we aren't discussing rudimentary math here, but rather a bold initiative to reform one wing of the national politic. It damn well is worth a shot.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-05-11   10:56:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Smoke away, ab. It's never too early for good tunes :P

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-05-11   10:59:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If the answer is that he didn't endorse any of them, I think you'll notice a distinct pattern which will carry through to November.

In 2008 Paul thought Obama would at least be better on foreign policy.

After 2012, Paul will no longer be in politics.

It will be the last important decision he makes, and he will think long and hard on it.

An old lonely slave comes back from the grave
Searching... searching... searching
For his master who's long gone on

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-05-11   11:00:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Whereas you think a Romney endorsement will help Rand, the opposite is actually true.

Can you see Paul explicitly endorsing VP Rand but not mentioning Romney?

Cyni -- If Paul is sufficiently cult-like in his mentality, which he may well be, I can see him forsaking his son.

An old lonely slave comes back from the grave
Searching... searching... searching
For his master who's long gone on

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-05-11   11:05:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It damn well is worth a shot.

Well now, that part is correct.

HOWEVER JETHRO, YOU ARE GOING WITH A "LEADER" that is not going to extract a pound of flesh and a pint of blood. That will never happen.

Kisses and smoochies all around and YOU KNOW THAT.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-11   11:19:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I can see him forsaking his son.

We must remember that the supreme goal here for Paul is to capture the republican nomination for President.

If we stop to consider that might well not happen, then what are we willing to expect or accept from the winner?????

Nothing? That is what was gained last time, nothing. The voters elected a black man that was totally unqualified to be president or janitor. Paul walked away, having thrown in the towel midstream. For our money and support, we also got nothing, not a thing. McKook laughed Ron off the stage.

No third party then nor now, so why not go for broke, demand the pound of flesh NOW?????

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-11   11:28:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Think back to how the paleoconservatives in the Republican party squawked when the neoconservatives were allowed to stick their nose under the tent. Those same Zeos now control the party and the paleo's are on the outside looking in. So, we aren't discussing rudimentary math here, but rather a bold initiative to reform one wing of the national politic. It damn well is worth a shot.

Yes, It damn well IS worth a shot.

There are a lot more paleos and libertarian thinkers (committed and potential) out there than are neocons. After November, no matter what the outcome, they are going to be even more charged up and motivated.

Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. - H. L. Mencken

randge  posted on  2012-05-11   11:30:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

We must remember that the supreme goal here for Paul is to capture the republican nomination for President.

If we stop to consider that might well not happen, then what are we willing to expect or accept from the winner?????

That is not Paul's supreme goal.

Nothing? That is what was gained last time, nothing. The voters elected a black man that was totally unqualified to be president or janitor. Paul walked away, having thrown in the towel midstream. For our money and support, we also got nothing, not a thing. McKook laughed Ron off the stage.

No third party then nor now, so why not go for broke, demand the pound of flesh NOW?????

They're used to nothing; if they got something, they wouldn't know what to do with it.

This is all probably academic anyway. Though he is cute, Aqua Buddha will probably not be selected for veep.

An old lonely slave comes back from the grave
Searching... searching... searching
For his master who's long gone on

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-05-11   11:42:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

His movement is not a Republican movement, but rather a Fabian-like stealth attempt to infect the Republican party with libertarian thinkers.

Oh c'mon. Paul and most Paulites haven't a stealthy bone in their body.

Now, some of those indispensible middleman minority organizers in the Paul campaign are another matter.

There's infection going on, to be sure.

An old lonely slave comes back from the grave
Searching... searching... searching
For his master who's long gone on

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-05-11   11:48:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Oh c'mon. Paul and most Paulites haven't a stealthy bone in their body.

Let's see what his delegates do in Tampa before we blow off this strategy.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-05-11   11:51:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yes, It damn well IS worth a shot.

There are a lot more paleos and libertarian thinkers (committed and potential) out there than are neocons. After November, no matter what the outcome, they are going to be even more charged up and motivated.

I just don't see the downside. I get the total disgust some have w/the system, but it happens to be the only game in town so we can either play or sit it out. I'll join the sitters should the candidates be O or R.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-05-11   11:54:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It's never too early for good tunes :P

Thanks Jethro, most excellent start to my day....now I'm rollin'! Care to join me on Higher Ground? : )

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-11   12:26:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'll join the sitters should the candidates be O or R.

I'll join Gary Johnson.......on the Higher Ground. : p

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-11   12:27:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That is not Paul's supreme goal.

Is that right????

Damn, fooled me agin.

Last time around I gave a hat full of money to Ron Paul and what puny support I could muster.

Now you shatter me with news that Ron does not want to be president????

Well, this time I have been sitting on my wallet but there are a lot of people here that believe him.

I hate to think they are all Rubes??????

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-11   12:56:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He is soooooooooooooo owned.

And the masses will flock to back another puppet because he spoke out against gay marriage, an issue that actually impacts less than 3% of the population (including the divorce attorneys).

The interesting thing though is that legitimizing sexual perversions, such as being queer, seem to be part of the agenda being dictated by the closeted fags and pedophiles of the Buildabuggerers and that which we refer to by the vague label NWO. Part of it is, I am sure, aimed at breaking up the family unit which forms a bedrock of opposition to their lascivious advances and it seems to tie into depopulation as well by encouraging sexuality that is of a non-reproductive type. Also they are a bunch of perverts themselves and want to be able to openly practice their perversions and to, metaphorically of course, shove them down everybody's throat.

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-05-11   13:49:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Concur. The only way I think that RP would give anything beyond tepid pro-forma support to Oromney is under duress.

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-05-11   13:51:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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