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Title: Bad for America, Bad for Israel, Bad for the World (Dr. Ron Paul)
Source: antiwar.com
URL Source: http://original.antiwar.com/paul/20 ... -for-israel-bad-for-the-world/
Published: May 10, 2012
Author: Dr. Ron Paul
Post Date: 2012-05-10 08:12:53 by F.A. Hayek Fan
Keywords: None
Views: 1951
Comments: 134

Mr. Speaker: I rise in opposition to H.R. 4133, the United States-Israel Enhanced Security Cooperation Act, which unfortunately is another piece of one-sided and counterproductive foreign policy legislation. This bill’s real intent seems to be more saber-rattling against Iran and Syria, and it undermines U.S. diplomatic efforts by making clear that the U.S. is not an honest broker seeking peace for the Middle East.

The bill calls for the United States to significantly increase our provision of sophisticated weaponry to Israel, and states that it is to be U.S. policy to “help Israel preserve its qualitative military edge” in the region.

While I absolutely believe that Israel — and any other nation — should be free to determine for itself what is necessary for its national security, I do not believe that those decisions should be underwritten by U.S. taxpayers and backed up by the U.S. military.

This bill states that it is the policy of the United States to “reaffirm the enduring commitment of the United States to the security of the State of Israel as a Jewish state.” However, according to our Constitution, the policy of the United States government should be to protect the security of the United States, not to guarantee the religious, ethnic, or cultural composition of a foreign country. In fact, our own Constitution prohibits the establishment of any particular religion in the U.S.

More than 20 years after the reason for NATO’s existence — the Warsaw Pact — has disappeared, this legislation seeks to find a new mission for that anachronistic alliance: the defense of Israel. Calling for “an expanded role for Israel within the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), including an enhanced presence at NATO headquarters and exercises,” it reads like a dream for interventionists and the military-industrial complex. As I have said many times, NATO should be disbanded, not expanded.

This bill will not help the United States, it will not help Israel, and it will not help the Middle East. It will implicitly authorize much more U.S. interventionism in the region at a time when we cannot afford the foreign commitments we already have. It more likely will lead to war against Syria, Iran, or both. I urge my colleagues to vote against this bill.

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#55. To: Cynicom, 4um (#54)

If we look at that pattern of the past, compare it to the present and future, we find one very glaring difference , RAND PAUL.

I know of no Father that would do anything to hinder the future of his own Son, in fact most Fathers would do all in their power to aid that future.

OK, so your answer is that RP HASN'T endorsed any of the previous nominees. We agree. And about Rand. If Pop wants to ensure that Rand forever carries a neocon yoke around his neck for the length of his political career, then he'll ENDORSE Romney. Whereas you think a Romney endorsement will help Rand, the opposite is actually true.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-05-11   10:28:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Original_Intent (#43)

He is soooooooooooooo owned.

And the masses will flock to back another puppet because he spoke out against gay marriage, an issue that actually impacts less than 3% of the population (including the divorce attorneys).

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-11   10:42:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Jethro Tull (#55)

Whereas you think a Romney endorsement will help Rand, the opposite is actually true.

Now there is a contradiction of contradictions.

Two things are likely to happen if Ron "sits" this one out.

The black man might well remain President and the "party" stalwarts will owe Rand nothing, in fact might well make sure Rand goes away.

Your political math is askew, in politics 2 plus 2 does NOT always equal 4. In politics there are things going on all the time that we have no knowledge of, namely, Ron WILL NOT do anything that harms his sons future, he is a Father first, a republican second.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-11   10:42:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Jethro Tull, Cynicom (#55)

Whereas you think a Romney endorsement will help Rand, the opposite is actually true.

I second that emotion.......feeling Smokey this mornin'. : )

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-11   10:43:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Cynicom (#57)

Ron WILL NOT do anything that harms his sons future, he is a Father first, a republican second.

Backing Romney will HARM any chance for Rand because the base will exit stage left Cyni.....

Your focus is all on the GOP good ol' boys and not the actual movement/revolution that Ron Paul has built up.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-11   10:45:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: abraxas (#59)

Backing Romney will HARM any chance for Rand because the base will exit stage left Cyni.....

Your focus is all on the GOP good ol' boys and not the actual movement/revolution that Ron Paul has built up.

You are an astute enough young lady to sense that this thread would have gone nowhere if there had not been a consistent adverse opinion.

PM me with your observation.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-11   10:49:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#50)

His "saving money" likely means he MIGHT spend 1-3% less than what Obama would have spent.

Hey now, one percent divided by 1% is a lot!

An old lonely slave comes back from the grave
Searching... searching... searching
For his master who's long gone on

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-05-11   10:53:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Cynicom (#57)

Now there is a contradiction of contradictions.

Two things are likely to happen if Ron "sits" this one out.

The black man might well remain President and the "party" stalwarts will owe Rand nothing, in fact might well make sure Rand goes away.

Your political math is askew, in politics 2 plus 2 does NOT always equal 4. In politics there are things going on all the time that we have no knowledge of, namely, Ron WILL NOT do anything that harms his sons future, he is a Father first, a republican second.

All this misses the mark by a wide margin. RP has built a movement that will head on down to Tampa and be vocal. His movement is not a Republican movement, but rather a Fabian-like stealth attempt to infect the Republican party with libertarian thinkers. Is it possible? You bet. Think back to how the paleoconservatives in the Republican party squawked when the neoconservatives were allowed to stick their nose under the tent. Those same Zeos now control the party and the paleo's are on the outside looking in. So, we aren't discussing rudimentary math here, but rather a bold initiative to reform one wing of the national politic. It damn well is worth a shot.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-05-11   10:56:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: abraxas (#58)

Smoke away, ab. It's never too early for good tunes :P

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-05-11   10:59:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Jethro Tull (#53)

If the answer is that he didn't endorse any of them, I think you'll notice a distinct pattern which will carry through to November.

In 2008 Paul thought Obama would at least be better on foreign policy.

After 2012, Paul will no longer be in politics.

It will be the last important decision he makes, and he will think long and hard on it.

An old lonely slave comes back from the grave
Searching... searching... searching
For his master who's long gone on

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-05-11   11:00:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Jethro Tull, cynicom (#55)

Whereas you think a Romney endorsement will help Rand, the opposite is actually true.

Can you see Paul explicitly endorsing VP Rand but not mentioning Romney?

Cyni -- If Paul is sufficiently cult-like in his mentality, which he may well be, I can see him forsaking his son.

An old lonely slave comes back from the grave
Searching... searching... searching
For his master who's long gone on

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-05-11   11:05:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Jethro Tull, abraxas (#62)

It damn well is worth a shot.

Well now, that part is correct.

HOWEVER JETHRO, YOU ARE GOING WITH A "LEADER" that is not going to extract a pound of flesh and a pint of blood. That will never happen.

Kisses and smoochies all around and YOU KNOW THAT.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-11   11:19:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#65)

I can see him forsaking his son.

We must remember that the supreme goal here for Paul is to capture the republican nomination for President.

If we stop to consider that might well not happen, then what are we willing to expect or accept from the winner?????

Nothing? That is what was gained last time, nothing. The voters elected a black man that was totally unqualified to be president or janitor. Paul walked away, having thrown in the towel midstream. For our money and support, we also got nothing, not a thing. McKook laughed Ron off the stage.

No third party then nor now, so why not go for broke, demand the pound of flesh NOW?????

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-11   11:28:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Jethro Tull (#62)

Think back to how the paleoconservatives in the Republican party squawked when the neoconservatives were allowed to stick their nose under the tent. Those same Zeos now control the party and the paleo's are on the outside looking in. So, we aren't discussing rudimentary math here, but rather a bold initiative to reform one wing of the national politic. It damn well is worth a shot.

Yes, It damn well IS worth a shot.

There are a lot more paleos and libertarian thinkers (committed and potential) out there than are neocons. After November, no matter what the outcome, they are going to be even more charged up and motivated.

Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. - H. L. Mencken

randge  posted on  2012-05-11   11:30:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Cynicom (#67)

We must remember that the supreme goal here for Paul is to capture the republican nomination for President.

If we stop to consider that might well not happen, then what are we willing to expect or accept from the winner?????

That is not Paul's supreme goal.

Nothing? That is what was gained last time, nothing. The voters elected a black man that was totally unqualified to be president or janitor. Paul walked away, having thrown in the towel midstream. For our money and support, we also got nothing, not a thing. McKook laughed Ron off the stage.

No third party then nor now, so why not go for broke, demand the pound of flesh NOW?????

They're used to nothing; if they got something, they wouldn't know what to do with it.

This is all probably academic anyway. Though he is cute, Aqua Buddha will probably not be selected for veep.

An old lonely slave comes back from the grave
Searching... searching... searching
For his master who's long gone on

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-05-11   11:42:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Jethro Tull (#62)

His movement is not a Republican movement, but rather a Fabian-like stealth attempt to infect the Republican party with libertarian thinkers.

Oh c'mon. Paul and most Paulites haven't a stealthy bone in their body.

Now, some of those indispensible middleman minority organizers in the Paul campaign are another matter.

There's infection going on, to be sure.

An old lonely slave comes back from the grave
Searching... searching... searching
For his master who's long gone on

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-05-11   11:48:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#70)

Oh c'mon. Paul and most Paulites haven't a stealthy bone in their body.

Let's see what his delegates do in Tampa before we blow off this strategy.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-05-11   11:51:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: randge (#68)

Yes, It damn well IS worth a shot.

There are a lot more paleos and libertarian thinkers (committed and potential) out there than are neocons. After November, no matter what the outcome, they are going to be even more charged up and motivated.

I just don't see the downside. I get the total disgust some have w/the system, but it happens to be the only game in town so we can either play or sit it out. I'll join the sitters should the candidates be O or R.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-05-11   11:54:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Jethro Tull (#63)

It's never too early for good tunes :P

Thanks Jethro, most excellent start to my day....now I'm rollin'! Care to join me on Higher Ground? : )

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-11   12:26:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Jethro Tull (#72)

I'll join the sitters should the candidates be O or R.

I'll join Gary Johnson.......on the Higher Ground. : p

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-11   12:27:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Prefrontal Vortex, Jethro tull (#69)

That is not Paul's supreme goal.

Is that right????

Damn, fooled me agin.

Last time around I gave a hat full of money to Ron Paul and what puny support I could muster.

Now you shatter me with news that Ron does not want to be president????

Well, this time I have been sitting on my wallet but there are a lot of people here that believe him.

I hate to think they are all Rubes??????

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-11   12:56:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: abraxas (#56)

He is soooooooooooooo owned.

And the masses will flock to back another puppet because he spoke out against gay marriage, an issue that actually impacts less than 3% of the population (including the divorce attorneys).

The interesting thing though is that legitimizing sexual perversions, such as being queer, seem to be part of the agenda being dictated by the closeted fags and pedophiles of the Buildabuggerers and that which we refer to by the vague label NWO. Part of it is, I am sure, aimed at breaking up the family unit which forms a bedrock of opposition to their lascivious advances and it seems to tie into depopulation as well by encouraging sexuality that is of a non-reproductive type. Also they are a bunch of perverts themselves and want to be able to openly practice their perversions and to, metaphorically of course, shove them down everybody's throat.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-05-11   13:49:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Jethro Tull (#46)

Concur. The only way I think that RP would give anything beyond tepid pro-forma support to Oromney is under duress.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-05-11   13:51:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: abraxas, christine, 4um (#73)

Higher Ground

Love it, and I'm there!

We can Moondance up there if you care to.

I'm thinking one could East Coast Swing (triple step) to this Van Morrison ditty. I'm to the point I could 'get by' if the dance floor was crowded enough :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-05-11   13:54:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Original_Intent, 4um (#76)

This entire gay marriage thing is entirely about economics and insurance. Nobody in their right (middle aged) mind wants to get married to anything; a piece of paper means diddly as far as keeping a loving, or dysfunctional couple together. This argument is about a tax deduction, shared medical insurance and inheritance, should their be any upon the death of a significant other. If the various states settle the economic/insurance matter, this non issue goes away IMO.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-05-11   14:18:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Jethro Tull (#79)

You're right as far as the economic questions go.

But this thing has become a cultural pissing contest and has acquired political utility on both sides of the issue. Therefore, both sides will bang the hell out of it as long and as hard as humanly possible.

Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. - H. L. Mencken

randge  posted on  2012-05-11   14:24:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Jethro Tull (#72)

On the contrary, presidential politics, all within the anti-white framework, IS sitting it out.

An old lonely slave comes back from the grave
Searching... searching... searching
For his master who's long gone on

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-05-11   15:54:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Cynicom (#75)

I hate to think they are all Rubes??????

Not rubes, no.

No matter what Paul said to HIMSELF when he decided to run, that was not his goal.

An old lonely slave comes back from the grave
Searching... searching... searching
For his master who's long gone on

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-05-11   15:59:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Prefrontal Vortex, Jethro tull, Abraxas, Christine, Assorted Rubes, (#82)

If all the Paulites on this forum are sincere in their beliefs and their political protestations, it would seem to an impartial viewer, that they would be supporting Bob Johnson en masse, as soon as Romney is coronated?????

That being true, I would be happy to lemming along with them.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-11   17:10:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Cynicom, Prefrontal Vortex, Jethro tull, Unsorted Rubes (#83) (Edited)

that they would be supporting Bob Johnson en masse, as soon as Romney is coronated?????

I don't know about this Bob Johnson character......but if the two party fraud offers two frauds--Obama and Romney--and call this farce a choice, I'll be voting for Gary Johnson on the Libertarian Ticket. : )

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-11   17:14:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Jethro Tull, Original_Intent, 4um (#79)

This entire gay marriage thing is entirely about economics and insurance.

I think it is entirely diversion and divide.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-11   17:15:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: abraxas (#84)

I don't know about this Bob Johnson character......but if the two party frauds offers two frauds--Obama and Romney--and calls it a choice, I'll be voting for Gary Johnson on the Libertarian Ticket. : )

You and I both.

Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown

Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2012-05-11   17:17:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: abraxas, Cynicom, Prefrontal Vortex, Rubicons (#84)

If Johnson is on the ballot here in PA, I'll join you all.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-05-11   17:23:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Prefrontal Vortex, Jethro tull, Abraxas, Christine, Assorted Rubes, (#84)

I'll be voting for Gary Johnson on the Libertarian Ticket. : )

Well, that makes TWO of us and I will BE TICKED OFF IF PAUL DOES NOT ENDORSE JOHNSON.

As for the rest of our friends here, after Ron kisses Mitt, they will swoon and vote REPUBLICAN.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-11   17:23:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Cynicom (#88)

I will BE TICKED OFF IF PAUL DOES NOT ENDORSE JOHNSON.

But, Cyni my dear, you are already ticked off at Dr. Paul, so why is his endorsement so important to you? No, he will not kiss Mitt butt. And, no, liberty minded people will not swoon.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-11   17:32:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Jethro Tull (#87)

If Johnson is on the ballot here in PA, I'll join you all.

You promise???

You realize the black SOB mite well be the President four more years??????

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-11   17:32:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: abraxas (#89)

But, Cyni my dear, you are already ticked off at Dr. Paul, so why is his endorsement so important to you?

Good heavens...

Recall Ron told me and anyone listening four years ago he was a true blue and loyal republican forever. I stopped giving money with the Trotski memo. Now his son is a true blue republican and I have distinct dislike for members of the one party system.

You send a note to Ron, endorse Johnson now and hit the campaign trail for him.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-11   17:39:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Cynicom (#91)

You send a note to Ron, endorse Johnson now and hit the campaign trail for him.

I'm with the good Dr. until the RNC convention in Tampa is convened. After that, depending on the outcome, I may join Gary Johnson's campaign. : )

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-11   17:42:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: abraxas (#89)

But, Cyni my dear, you are already ticked off at Dr. Paul, so why is his endorsement so important to you? No, he will not kiss Mitt butt. And, no, liberty minded people will not swoon.

From your fingertips to God's mouth truth.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2012-05-11   17:48:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Prefrontal Vortex, Jethro tull, Christine, Assorted Rubes, (#92)

. After that, depending on the outcome, I may join Gary Johnson's campaign. : )

Are you prepared to accept Ron smooching with Mitt and ENDORSING HIM.

If Jethro is correct, Ron has not endorsed anyone and in this case withholding endorsement may well give us Obomski for four more?????

Myself, I intend to go into the Crying Towel business just before the convention, making sales to all my loyal Paul supporters. hehehehehehehe

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-11   18:09:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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