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Title: Some Historical Perspective for Ron Paul Activists
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URL Source: http://www.lewrockwell.com/mcmaken/mcmaken140.html
Published: May 16, 2012
Author: Ryan McMaken
Post Date: 2012-05-16 08:56:42 by Ada
Keywords: None
Views: 155
Comments: 7

I've been somewhat surprised by the absolutely hysterical reaction among some RP activists to Ron Paul's announcement that he's shifting resources toward winning more delegates instead of blowing it on straw polls in new primaries. In some of the forums, alleged "supporters" are hurling insults at both Ron and his staffers.

I remember how after 2008, some people I talked to pledged to "never give money ever again" to Ron Paul because he "wasn't serious" about winning. These people think elections are all that matter, but that's not how political and intellectual movements work. The election of numerous libertarian candidates will be a lagging indicator, not a leading indicator, of the success of a libertarian movement. The population still isn't there. Although it will be.

It's absolutely unbelievable that some people who claim to be champions of freedom are now viciously badmouthing a man who can claim much credit in making libertarianism a household word – as it now is – and has been instrumental in building the most important challenge to central banking and the warfare state in a century. All of this is in addition to taking control of the GOP machinery in numerous states and cong. districts.

I might also note that I turned on the tele the other day and there was Ron Paul talking about central banking. Note to newcomer activists: I know it's hard to believe, but before RP's 2008 run, there was once a time when libertarians weren't on TV regularly talking about Austrian free-market economics and the evils of war. I swear it's true. Cross my heart and hope to die.

Politically, Ron Paul is doing what the Religious Right successfully did 20 years ago when it became a major force in the party, and he's rebuilding the intellectual infrastructure of the American right wing in a way similar to what Buckley did in the 1950s. Except, where Buckley only pretended to be for the rule of law and limited government, Ron Paul is the real thing. And Paul's even doing it without CIA money, unlike Buckley. RP's the continuation of the old libertarian movement that existed in opposition to war and the New Deal before it was hijacked by the conservative apologists for the state.

Except now, instead of being composed of a few dozen guys who could all have met in a small hotel ballroom, the movement for peace and freedom is a huge nationwide movement.

Anyone who, like me, teaches people in their twenties can already see a huge change. The ideas of libertarianism have a credibility they have not had in decades, if not not since the late 19th century when Herbert Spencer was a best-selling author in America.

Those of us who have been involved in the libertarian movement for more than ten years can see a huge difference, and those who have been around for decades undoubtedly see even more. Nevertheless, I can understand that a younger person, or a person who has never been politically active before, might view one presidential election as some kind of end-all-be-all of the freedom movement, but it's not.

The Ron Paul phenomenon isn't even close to being done re-shaping the American political landscape, yet amazingly, some people seem to think that not running TV ads in California somehow signifies a lack of seriousness on the part of the Paul campaign. Only a complete lack of experience and historical perspective could lead one to such conclusions.

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

Great find, excellent perspective.

If the Paulbarian Horde isn't prepared to persevere through at least 3 election cycles, they may as well just quit.

We have made some amazing progress and the future is bright. But only if we are determined.

TooConservative  posted on  2012-05-16   11:26:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: TooConservative (#1)

I'm sorry for going off topic but you do realize that you are treading on thin ice over at LP don't you? Gatlin is part of Goldi's protected class, so don't be surprised if you get stealth banned.

Here's an interesting experiment. Look up the posts of yukon's group of lefty's and see how many times they take the side of harrowup. You may already know this but harrowup is a longtime FR poster and a proud and outspoken liberal democrat. Ask him if you don't believe me. He will freely admit it. Isn't it interesting how yukon's group of government butt sniffers have more in common with an admitted liberal Democrat than they do with the one or two small government conservatives on LP.

The fact that Goldi not only allows them to abuse everyone not in line with governmental actions but also protects them by stealth banning those who constantly put up a good fight against them should tell any thinking person that Goldi is not a small government conservative but is instead a big government Republican.

Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown

Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2012-05-16   12:36:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Ada (#0)

The election of numerous libertarian candidates will be a lagging indicator, not a leading indicator, of the success of a libertarian movement.

That's actually correct.

But those running do have to want to win.

An old lonely slave comes back from the grave
Searching... searching... searching
For his master who's long gone on

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-05-16   13:16:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Ada (#0)

Politically, Ron Paul is doing what the Religious Right successfully did 20 years ago when it became a major force in the party

More true than he knows!

The religious right only had relevance because it was useful to UnoWho.

An old lonely slave comes back from the grave
Searching... searching... searching
For his master who's long gone on

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-05-16   13:18:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#2)

I'm sorry for going off topic but you do realize that you are treading on thin ice over at LP don't you? Gatlin is part of Goldi's protected class, so don't be surprised if you get stealth banned.

Meh. I've been kicked out of better dumps. Not that I don't appreciate the forum. And LF and 4um for that matter. I post some at all of them, LP most often just out of habit.

Here's an interesting experiment. Look up the posts of yukon's group of lefty's and see how many times they take the side of harrowup. You may already know this but harrowup is a longtime FR poster and a proud and outspoken liberal democrat. Ask him if you don't believe me. He will freely admit it.

Yeah, we got into that if you were following the thread through its hundreds of (mostly pointless) posts. ACLU, union goons, etc. By the time we discussed it a bit, h'up was getting into a real snit. He wasn't so proud by then.

Isn't it interesting how yukon's group of government butt sniffers have more in common with an admitted liberal Democrat than they do with the one or two small government conservatives on LP.

These are the same people that vowed they would vote for the Kenyan if the GOP nominee was Dr. Paul. So no surprise here. They never realize the irony that they constantly demand that all Republicans must support the GOP nominee. Unless it is Ron Paul. Then they can all vote for the hated Kenyan.

You have to realize how many of these people are on the government dole or pensions. They recognize Ron Paul as an enemy. Not of the Constitution or public safety. But of their sleek pensions and sinecures and sleazy arrangements. We used to see the same thing over at FR with the open-borders people where you had scumbags bragging about how much they made off slaving Mexicans in construction work and how they would never hire an American. RimJob thought it was all just great.

The fact that Goldi not only allows them to abuse everyone not in line with governmental actions but also protects them by stealth banning those who constantly put up a good fight against them should tell any thinking person that Goldi is not a small government conservative but is instead a big government Republican.

She isn't that tough actually. You usually have to work at it to get a ban there. She just reinstated someone to full posting privileges yesterday but it is clear they are on probation.

She isn't getting paid to nanny her site, post by post. You can't compare it to moderated sites.

And Goldi doesn't care so much about small-government vs. big-government. As long as Israel is protected as an ally. Now, that won't sit too well with some here at 4um but, during the many decades of the "special relationship" with Britain, did anyone question whether British immigrants here in the States voted and politicked primarily on the basis of that "special relationship"? How about the Irish immigrants on the east coast and their constant support for the IRA? So you can't say that American Jews are the only ethnics who have shown a certain attachment for the old country, even when they were citizens of another country. Going back further, during WW I and WW II, our government took action to keep German-Americans from sending money and aid to Germany. Again, nothing so new about any of it.

TooConservative  posted on  2012-05-16   16:53:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: TooConservative (#5)

You have to realize how many of these people are on the government dole or pensions. They recognize Ron Paul as an enemy.

Yeah, we have one of those here to. Retiree from the federal government and pro big union. It's only coincidence that he hates Ron Paul's guts. /s

And Goldi doesn't care so much about small-government vs. big-government. As long as Israel is protected as an ally.

I disagree that she doesn't care about big government vs. small government. There is a reason she allows her gang of thugs to derail every thread that has anything to do with either criticizing the government or advocating less government. Besides that, if you vote for Romney or Obama then you are by definition pro-big government because both of them are pro-big government.

Now, that won't sit too well with some here at 4um but, during the many decades of the "special relationship" with Britain, did anyone question whether British immigrants here in the States voted and politicked primarily on the basis of that "special relationship"? How about the Irish immigrants on the east coast and their constant support for the IRA? So you can't say that American Jews are the only ethnics who have shown a certain attachment for the old country, even when they were citizens of another country. Going back further, during WW I and WW II, our government took action to keep German-Americans from sending money and aid to Germany. Again, nothing so new about any of it.

To my knowledge neither Britain nor the Irish pulled a USS Liberty on us. Besides that Goldi isn't a real Jew. She's a wannabe. Her bullshit about some long lost relative (conveniently on her mom's side) being a Jew is just that - bullshit she made up in order to be accepted by a group of people notorious for treating "converts" as outsiders.

Goldi is a despicable traitor to her country. As an employee in the defense industry I can't help but wonder what secrets she's sold.

Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown

Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2012-05-16   18:15:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#6)

Besides that Goldi isn't a real Jew. She's a wannabe. Her bullshit about some long lost relative (conveniently on her mom's side) being a Jew is just that - bullshit she made up in order to be accepted by a group of people notorious for treating "converts" as outsiders.

I think I'll let Goldi and the Jews decide that. I don't have any dog in that fight, don't care deeply about her religion one way or the other.

TooConservative  posted on  2012-05-16   20:43:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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