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Title: "The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93"
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URL Source: http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/
Published: May 19, 2012
Author: http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/
Post Date: 2012-05-19 18:03:51 by tom007
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"The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93" The following comment was posted to my blog today (I do not know who the author is -- he posted semi-anonymously; so decide for yourself whether or not you believe him):

"I am an Air Force veteran. I was serving at Langley AFB, Virginia on Sept. 11. (not to be confused with CIA headquarters at Langley, VA). The "Alert Squadron" of 4 F-16 Falcons also stationed at Langley AFB was scrambled AFTER the "plane" crashed into the Pentagon. Because of my position as a ground equipment mechanic, I had access to the flightline operations that day. My friends were Crew Cheifs and Weapons Loaders, among other professions on the flightline that day. One of my [unusual] duties that day was to drive a Loader (personal friend) along with a rack of live missiles (AIM-9's and AIM-120's) across the active runway to the Alert Squadron and drop them off. I was towing equipment to the flightline, so when it was time to go back and pick up the Loader (and our missile trailer) I was unable to do so, but another member of my Flight (a good friend, and later roommate) did go. According to my roommate (and I later confirmed with the Loader) the Loader was completely silent most of the trip back to our side of the base, after they crossed the active, he spoke. "They shot one down." JJ replied "WHAT?" Loader:"One of those 16's came back with one less missile than it left with" That was all. As they pulled back in to the squadron area, The loader was whisked away by his commanders for debriefing. I didn't see him for a few days, but when I did, he said he couldn't talk about it, but he confirmed that what my roommate had told me was true.

The US Air Force shot down Flight 93. I haven't told this to many people. I told my parents and other family members shortly after I left the military. They didn't believe it. I figured no one else would either. I kept my mouth shut. Everyone was dedicated to the president and the country (not really) And anything that went against the Official, media delivered story was viewed as unpatriotic. I knew that I loved this country, so I kept my mouth shut. I just can't do that anymore. I know that I don't have any documents to prove it, and I have no way of knowing where the others involved are now days, so I can't prove anything. All I have is my word. and with God as my witness that is the truth."

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Ever watch a plane blow up, crash????

Not much left AB, gear, engines, odds and ends.

Obviously, you did not watch the videos provided for you. There is PLENTY of debris left when a place crashes as the multiple photos indicate. The Pentagon is the outlier, not the norm.

Blow up? How did the plane blow up Cyni?

Again, how did a 757 fit through a 16 foot hole?

Why do you not substantiate any of your data points? If it is true, it should be easy enough to do. I've provided you eye witness accounts, testimony of pilots, photos of multiple plane crashed depicted the debris field, basic physics data, ground effect, flight patterns etc. Can you not do the same?

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-20   12:16:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Another eye witness......"It was like a cruise missile with wings..."

Let's see here, could a cruise missile fit into a 16 foot hole? Why, yes it could. Could a 757 fit into a 16 foot hole? No, not possible.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-20   12:20:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Blow up? How did the plane blow up Cyni?

Again, how did a 757 fit through a 16 foot hole?

Engine fire on takeoff.

Skin of all aircraft is very very thin, very light density.

As photos showed the insides of the aircraft did in fact enter the Pentagon and there were numerous people that saw bodies still strapped in their seats.

Those were from firemen that had run for their lives as it was coming directly at them.

The firemen were there, they saw a plane coming and ran.

They were there.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-20   12:26:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I do not consider a Pentagon spread sheet to be fact or figure.......

Everyone should question anything government presents for proof of anything else. However, given Cyni's knowledge of how certain governmental agencies work, I will accept what he refers to as much more factual than a missile into the Pentagon on 9/11 or a military plane shooting down the flight in PA.

I have a lifelong friend who worked for the Pentagon until she retired this year who found herself in both D.C. and Langley every week. She was supposed to have been in the very wing of the Pentagon that was hit on 9/11, but because of three members of the committee meeting on that day being located in a Defense Department office in Alexandria, VA, she changed the meeting to that location. Therefore, she saw the remains of what happened within hours of the occurrence. I will take her word of what occurred, what remained and what she personally observed over any conspiracy theorist.

Phant2000  posted on  2012-05-20   12:27:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

he was supposed to have been in the very wing of the Pentagon that was hit

If she had been there and survived, Cyni would dismiss her eye witness account if it didn't correlate with the government storyline......that's what he did with the gal's testimony I posted.

This lady saw it and walked out of the 16 foot hole that was supposed to have been made by a 44 foot tall 757. How does a 757 fit through a 16 foot hold Phant? Are you going to ignore this basic question like Cyni does?

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-20   12:31:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Engine fire on takeoff.

As photos showed

lol.....the plane that was to have hit the Pentagon had been in the air for hours Cyni.

Show me your photos as I have never seen them.

Fireman have provided all sorts of no debris testimony, no burning of office equipment, no burning of books......etc. It is in the video I posted. Why are your firemen, with no actual testimony or video provided for review, somehow more relevant that the actual testimony and videos I have provided for you? I haven't seen one fireman account to substantiate your claims......not one.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-20   12:35:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I will take her word of what occurred, what remained and what she personally observed over any conspiracy theorist.

One has to sit back and view the entire conspiracy to see that it would be impossible for the government to encourage hundreds of people to lie and never tell the truth.

Some of the witnesses at the Pentagon were foreigners that just happened to be in the country on vacation. How on earth did the government get them to lie, that they saw an airplane, that is what they said they saw.

I will accept the word of the firemen that ran for their lives and were the first ones to see inside.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-20   12:35:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If she had been there and survived, Cyni would dismiss her eye witness account if it didn't correlate with the government storyline......that's what he did with the gal's testimony I posted.

My first reaction was that you often find different explanations for the same event from all those who witnessed or endured the event. However, I have passed what you posted on to my friend and await her response. I will share her comments with you when I receive them.

Phant2000  posted on  2012-05-20   12:37:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I will accept the word of the firemen that ran for their lives and were the first ones to see inside.

When are you going to post "the word of the firemen" for the lot of us? Or is this like all those Pentagon video tapes that are "classified" and not for public view?

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-20   12:38:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

My first reaction was that you often find different explanations

I would like an explanation for two salient questions.

How does a 757 fit into a 16 foot hole?

Where did the 125 feet of wingspan go? Why wasn't the building damaged 125 feet across and 44 feet into the air?

The 16 foot hole was evident for 45 minutes after impact prior to the larger building collapse. This is a fact. People exited the Pentagon through this hole. There is ample video coverage of this hole. Where is the 757?

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-20   12:45:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

When are you going to post "the word of the firemen" for the lot of us? Or is this like all those Pentagon video tapes that are "classified" and not for public view?

AB...

Here is but one reference with photos taken at the time of the incident

It will take some time to read the entire material.

Photos of the firemen and their testimony.

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/911pentagonflight77evidencesummary

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-20   12:49:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Here is but one reference with photos taken at the time of the incident

Numerous photos of the 16 foot hole that was the only hole evident for over 40 minutes.

Again, how does a 757 fit into a 16 foot hole? Where did the 125 feet of wingspan go and why didn't it damage the building? A 757 is 44 feet tall, Cyni. This is a fact.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-20   12:52:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Numerous photos of the 16 foot hole that was the only hole evident for over 40 minutes.

Again, how does a 757 fit into a 16 foot hole? Where did the 125 feet of wingspan go and why didn't it damage the building? A 757 is 44 feet tall, Cyni. This is a fact.

Don't forget about that amazing Pentagon lawn that can take a 757 flying a foot or two over it and remain in perfect condition. The landscape crew at the Pentagon is second to none! ;)

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2012-05-20   12:59:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Again, how does a 757 fit into a 16 foot hole? Where did the 125 feet of wingspan go and why didn't it damage the building? A 757 is 44 feet tall, Cyni. This is a fact.

You just read the testimony of men that were there, ran for their lives and were the first responders to see bodies strapped in their seats once the fire was out.

Again AB, an airplane, including wings and tail are thin skinned, hollow tubes of low density that have little impact on very dense, thick brick, concrete and metal walls.

Take time to look at the thickness of the wall, which I is suspect would be two feet. The aircraft is lightweight aluminum less than a quarter inch thick.

Take a straw, jam it into the wall see what happens, take a spike, jam it into a wall, see what happens.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-20   13:07:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You just read the testimony

Again AB, an airplane, including wings and tail are thin skinned, hollow tubes of low density that have little impact on very dense, thick brick, concrete and metal walls.

take a spike, jam it into a wall, see what happens.

I'm waiting for you to provide this testimony. Where is it?

Again, you have a mass traveling at maximum speed impacting a building......125 feet across and 44 feet high. HOW DOES IT ONLY MAKE A 16 FOOT HOLE? This is simple physics to which you are tap dancing around. The windows in the building were INTACT for crying out loud. The lawn is PRISTINE. The hole is 16 feet!

Wall thickness is irrelevant.......would a plane break a window or not? A spike leaves a hole in the wall the same diameter as the spike. Yet, you are claiming a 757 shrinks from 44 feet in height and 125 feet across to accommodate a 16 feet hole and does so without breaking a window! That makes no sense whatsoever.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-20   13:15:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Again, how does a 757 fit into a 16 foot hole?

AB...

Just had a PM requesting where the aircraft and people went to if a missile hit the Pentagon.

One explanation was the actual aircraft was remotely controlled out over the Atlantic and ditched.

I did not put much faith in that.

Another said the plane and people landed in Mexico, never to be seen again.

Difficult to make it disappear, unless it crashes and burns, that is the easiest way.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-20   13:15:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Wall thickness is irrelevant

You cannot mean that.

If you ever watch TV you must have seen video of aircraft and missiles being flown into solid reinforced concrete blocks.

It is in slow motion, watch what happens to the aircraft.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-20   13:19:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I have to have my lunch and a senior nap.

Yall play nice while I am gone.

Cyni...

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-20   13:21:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Watch what a plane hitting a building looks like........no shrinkage!

Note that the hole is equivalent to the plane. Wing marks penetrate the building. Landing gear accounted for. Two stories gone from the building....yet the building doesn't collapse and steel doesn't melt.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-20   13:25:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Disposing of a half load of people on a 757 would be very difficult for our government. /sarc

Not sure where the 757 went Cyni.....what I have no doubt of is that the 757 did not hit the Pentagon with an impact hole of 16 feet without the 125 feet of wingspan breaking a window or the 44 feet in height making an impact or disrupting the Pentalawn. This I know for certain.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-20   13:36:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The problem I have with the Pentagon attack isn't about what hit the building, but how some less than novice pilots managed to perform a stunt that any legit pilot could only fantasize of pulling off. I have an uncle who was a Lt. Col. in the Marines that flew fighter jets for 12 years and he laughed at the notion that a couple of guys who weren't capable of piloting a piper cub could do what was done that day in a commerciaql jet.

Obnoxicated  posted on  2012-05-20   14:01:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

To my knowledge there has not been one person that has stepped forward and acknowledged a shoot down, witnessed by them on radar, not one.

That's because they were all put under gag order. In fact other than the first day or two you will see no flight controller commenting anywhere at anytime about what they saw that day.

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-05-20   14:04:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The problem I have with the Pentagon attack isn't about what hit the building, but how some less than novice pilots managed to perform a stunt that any legit pilot could only fantasize of pulling off. I have an uncle who was a Lt. Col. in the Marines that flew fighter jets for 12 years and he laughed at the notion that a couple of guys who weren't capable of piloting a piper cub could do what was done that day in a commerciaql jet.

Exactly. Hani Hanjour, who was allegedly at the controls of the Pentagram plane, couldn't even rent a Cessna 172 - after a test flight the guy who checked him out refused to sign off that he was even competent to fly that. Every Flight Instructor who worked with him is on record as saying that he was incompetent as a pilot, and had never flown a jet aircraft of any kind at any time prior to 911.

A good number of Professional Pilots have looked at the maneuver and flat said that even a well trained and experienced professional pilot would have found the maneuver nearly impossible if not outright impossible. The problem being the physics of low level flight and that the plane would have been unstable due to tip vortices and be pushed up very forcefully because of the proximity of the ground and the velocity of the plane.

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-05-20   14:12:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

In order for them to pull off a stunt with that kind off precision, there woud have to have been a j-dam system rigged into the nose or underside of the plane and a spotter painting the target with a laser. Wasn't a C-130 seen in the area shortly after the strike?

Obnoxicated  posted on  2012-05-20   14:43:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Wasn't a C-130 seen in the area shortly after the strike?

I believe that is correct and also in NYC.

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-05-20   15:34:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"I am an Air Force veteran"

Sure you are, sweetheart.

I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.

Turtle  posted on  2012-05-20   15:37:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

often find different explanations for the same event

That is true. I once witnessed an armed robbery & along with asian eyewitnesses, couldve sworn the perp was black. But 2 black guys claimed he was white. I thought they were a rouse to throw off the cops. But, he WAS white & caught. Wow.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2012-05-20   16:36:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

THE CLAIM THAT THE PENTAGON WAS NOT STRUCK BY A PLANE IS DELIBERATE DISINFORMATION

As can be seen by the above, there are photos which show the wreckage of the aircraft that struck the Pentagon. The claim that there was no plane that hit the Pentagon was never credible. If the plane hadn't hit the Pentagon, where had it gone? There were simply too many witnesses to the plane for it not to exist.

One of the earliest clues that this was a deliberate operation by an intelligence agency was the sheer volume of emails insisting that this issue HAD to be looked at. Sometimes the spooks betray themselves with their own heavy handedness.

So, why would anyone work so hard to try to establish such an obviously phony straw man?

The truth is that the US Government's credibility within the nation and around the world has hit an all time low. Traffic at this website has quadrupled in just the last week alone, with about 50,000 accesses per day of the main article page. The US Government has had a long history of trying to trip up critics of the government with phony planted stories, in order to discredit and embarrass them. Such certainly seems to be the case now. Government operatives have been feeding this bogus claim that there was no plane impact on the Pentagon all over the internet, while the media tries to claim that this idea is the generally accepted view of all government critics. Then, when the government hands out photos of the actual impact taken by a security camera, the same media will work hard to dismiss all critics of the government, indeed the internet community as a whole, as not worthy of serious note. Intelligence agencies call the practice "poisoning the well", and like staging fake terror attacks on ones own people to start a war, such dirty tricks have been used by governments for thousands of years. The "umbrella gun" in the House Select Committee On Assassinations was a similar operation. More recently, during open congressional hearings into public concerns about government abuse, a plant was sent in, dressed in camouflage fatigues, to scream about the secret government tornado making machines. This planted operative became the focus of the media's subsequent campaign to dismiss anyone who would be concerned over government abuse as not worthy of notice.

Have no doubt; right now there is a war being waged for the minds of America, and the internet is the high ground. The government always plays dirty, because anyone who still plays fair will be at an automatic disadvantage.

This story that the plane did not hit the Pentagon was obviously flawed, primarily because it did not account for where the uncrashed plane went off to. So, think about all the people who tried to sell you this lemon (in my case, many of the return email addresses were fakes), and recognize that they are either idiots or government stooges.

Note the timing of the phony story, appearing just at the right moment to distract attention away from the Israeli spy scandal, right when the United States, even as it tries to conceal the existence of the spy ring, rounds up the Israelis and deports them..

Even now, after more photos have been released of the plane's impact into the Pentagon, the shills are still wandering around the internet, trying to keep the "debate" going over whether there is an airplane or there isn't. The aircraft itself isn't the issue; tricking the public into paying attention to the debate is the real goal because if the public is paying attention to the various parties pretending to argue over whether there is an airplane or not, then the public is NOT paying attention to what the government spooks don't want the public paying attention to, namely the Israeli spies and their connection to the events of 9-11.

This is why, even though the claim that Flight 77 had not hit the Pentagon never explained where flight 77 went off to if it didn't hit the Pentagon, even though photos have surfaced of the aircraft debris and even though there are witnesses that saw the plane, the spooks are working even harder to try to keep this story alive; to manufacture a false debate as an attractant, because this is the only way they can control what the public is looking at, to keep the public from looking at the spy scandal and what it means that the United States Government CLASSIFIED the evidence that linked those Israeli spies to the events of 9-11.

Everyone who is still trying to keep this missing plane story alive, to manufacture a controversy where none really exists, to distract from the Israel spy scandal, is either an idiot or working for the governments of the United States and of Israel.

www.oilempire.us/bogus.html

www.foreignpolicyjournal....e-pentagon-attack-on-911/

whatreallyhappened.com/WR...hoax.html?q=hunthoax.html

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2012-05-20   16:50:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

While I understand Mike's point of view I respectfully disagree.

Yes, something hit the Pentagon, but was it Flt 77?

That is the real question here. Not whether something hit the Pentagram, BUT what hit the Pentagram?

As David Copperfield has proven, by making an airliner disappear, the hand is quicker than the eye and it is possible to use sleight of hand to pull off a large trick.

Air Traffic Controllers, before they were gagged and ordered to silence, reported that the observed maneuvers of what was supposed to be Flt 77 resembled that of a high performance military aircraft. This by a known incompetent pilot who never in his life had flown a jet aircraft of any size, shape, or form.

There are a series of real physical problems with presuming it was Flt 77.

Wing Tip vortices are produced by the aircraft at low altitudes making flight unstable. At the alleged altitude of Flt 77 it would be almost impossible to control a 757 at that altitude.

Aeodynamics - a plane with that much wing surface that low to the ground is going to be pushed very forcibly upwards by air pressure. (You can confirm that with Professional Pilots and Aeronautical Engineers both.)

There are, when you begin analyzing it closely, contradictions in the supposed eyewitness testimony which suggests two different flight paths OR two different planes. (This is what suggests what I call the "David Copperfield Scenario" where two aircraft are used - one for the impact and the other flies over the top of the building and out of sight. It requires tight timing but is not impossible.) My own thought is that it was some variation of the "David Copperfield Scenario" and that is what the disinformation is intended to obscure. I don't think it was a Cruise Missile as that would be too small. After looking at a lot of different possibilities the one I lean toward is that an S-3 (a twin engine Anti-Submarine Warfare jet) loaded with explosives was painted to look like AA Flt 77. In the few seconds it would be visible the inexperienced eye would pick up the colors but less likely the size differential.

The amount of of debris recovered does not add up to a 757. As well was an anomalous turbine that does not appear to be part of the equipage of a 757. It would be the right size for an S-3.

No damage to the Pentalawn 2000™. Given the alleged altitude of the plane there was less than 2 feet of clearance between the engine cowling and the undamaged Pentalawn. There is no damage to the lawn recorded.

The reason the videos, 11 years after the fact, are still under lock and key (if not destroyed) is that they do not confirm the official story. No sudden release to discredit the "Troofers" has been made to date and the longer time drags on the less credible such a release would be therefore the most likely interpretation is that they show something at variance with the Official Fairy Tale.

Another curious datum is the report by one of the survivors in the Pentagram, a woman, that there was a massive explosion in the moments before the plane hit.

There are a lot of other anomalies but it would take longer than I have to write it all up right now.

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-05-20   19:00:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Everyone who is still trying to keep this missing plane story alive, to manufacture a controversy where none really exists, to distract from the Israel spy scandal, is either an idiot or working for the governments of the United States and of Israel.

The first report that a plane hit the Pentagon was from the pilot of a AC130 that saw the plane, saw it hit and he reported it immediately....ALL OF THAT IS ON FAA TAPE...

On youtube there is a video interview with the pilot. There were of course other crew members that saw the same thing.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-20   19:01:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Wing Tip vortices are produced by the aircraft at low altitudes making flight unstable. At the alleged altitude of Flt 77 it would be almost impossible to control a 757 at that altitude.

Google youtube for Col. Bud Holland and his B-52.

There was a film crew on top of a bluff or mountain. filming his low level bomb run. He repeatedly came within ten feet of the ground at hi speed. So close the film crew ran for their lives.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-20   19:06:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You are nitpicking. I did not say that it could not be done but that it would be very unstable.

As well the flight profile of a B-52 flying at a slower speed is going to be different. I am not an aeronautical engineer - however I base my conclusions on a study done by a Professor of Aeronautical Engineering. And that B-52 was being flown by a Master Pilot not an incompetent boob who had NEVER EVER flown a jet aircraft of any kind and was regarded by his instructors as incompetent to fly a single engine Cessna 172.

However, that is only one point and you did not disprove it you simply tried to substitute something distantly similar. And even if I were to grant that ONE point it is just that one point.

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-05-20   19:17:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Bud got a little close to the runway on that "last" flight !

"The few who understand the [FEDERAL RESERVE] system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests."

The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.

noone222  posted on  2012-05-20   19:20:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

And that B-52 was being flown by a Master Pilot not an incompetent boob

No it was not.

Holland killed himself and other good men doing such antics.

My intention was that a plane indeed may be flown at low level, regardless of the pilot.

In Vietnam, friend of mine flew one so low, he was looking in the window of a gook truck at the driver.

If you look at testimony of Clancy Prevost, the only interest the terrorists had was in FLYING THE AIRCRAFT, NOT IN TAKEOFF OR LANDING. He was the first to call the FBI.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-20   19:28:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Ninety degree bank at low altitude in a B-52 is a killer.

The co pilot, the SQ CO, ejected but right into the inferno.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-20   19:32:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

And that B-52 was being flown by a Master Pilot not an incompetent boob

No it was not.

Holland killed himself and other good men doing such antics.

However, he knew what he was doing and had been trained and checked out in the aircraft. Regardless of whether he pushed the envelope one too many timeS is really beside the point. Hani Hanjour had NEVER EVER been qualified to fly the 757 that he allegedly put through high speed aerobatics and was not regarded as competent to fly a singe engine propeller driven Cessna 172 in level flight let alone putting it through sophisticated advanced maneuvers.

In Vietnam, friend of mine flew one so low, he was looking in the window of a gook truck at the driver.

Anecdotal evidence and not under the same circumstances nor the same type of aircraft.

If you look at testimony of Clancy Prevost, the only interest the terrorists had was in FLYING THE AIRCRAFT, NOT IN TAKEOFF OR LANDING. He was the first to call the FBI.

Red Herring

We already know that the cell phone calls did not occur as reported, and that has been proven, so it would be no great order of magnitude to plan for and plant other pieces of "information" that mislead. The maneuvers reported by the ATC before they were gagged were not trivial flying an aircraft at level flight. The demonstrated maneuvers as observed were both sophisticated and actions that would require a well trained pilot not an incompetent boob. As well was the problem of navigation as the aircraft was allegedly turned around in the midwest and then flown back.

For an explanation to approach validity it has to account for all the evidence and not just presume that magically an unqualified bad pilot suddenly, overnight, developed the skills of a master pilot.

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-05-20   19:55:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-05-20   20:58:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Prevost was local boy. His Father was our family doctor.

Clancy was first to insist on FBI being called.

He was former navy pilot, airline pilot retired and flight instructor.

When the terrorist wanted only flying, he blew the whistle.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-20   21:14:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

To discover the truth of this 911 matter one needs simply to understand the nature of "THE STATE".

This guy nailed quite some time ago, Friedrich Nietzsch, and he nailed it quite succinctly.

"The state is the coldest of all cold monsters. Coldly it lies, too; and this lie creeps from its mouth: `I, the state, am the people.'... Everything about it is false; it bites with stolen teeth. "

Lysander_Spooner  posted on  2012-05-20   21:54:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Dubya, Hitlery the Viper, and their ilk probably had a big barbecue at one of their Bohemian Grove blood letting festivals, the flight 93 occupants were the main course.

Lysander_Spooner  posted on  2012-05-20   21:57:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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