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Title: "The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93"
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URL Source: http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/
Published: May 19, 2012
Author: http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/
Post Date: 2012-05-19 18:03:51 by tom007
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"The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93" The following comment was posted to my blog today (I do not know who the author is -- he posted semi-anonymously; so decide for yourself whether or not you believe him): "I am an Air Force veteran. I was serving at Langley AFB, Virginia on Sept. 11. (not to be confused with CIA headquarters at Langley, VA). The "Alert Squadron" of 4 F-16 Falcons also stationed at Langley AFB was scrambled AFTER the "plane" crashed into the Pentagon. Because of my position as a ground equipment mechanic, I had access to the flightline operations that day. My friends were Crew Cheifs and Weapons Loaders, among other professions on the flightline that day. One of my [unusual] duties that day was to drive a Loader (personal friend) along with a rack of live missiles (AIM-9's and AIM-120's) across the active runway to the Alert Squadron and drop them off. I was towing equipment to the flightline, so when it was time to go back and pick up the Loader (and our missile trailer) I was unable to do so, but another member of my Flight (a good friend, and later roommate) did go. According to my roommate (and I later confirmed with the Loader) the Loader was completely silent most of the trip back to our side of the base, after they crossed the active, he spoke. "They shot one down." JJ replied "WHAT?" Loader:"One of those 16's came back with one less missile than it left with" That was all. As they pulled back in to the squadron area, The loader was whisked away by his commanders for debriefing. I didn't see him for a few days, but when I did, he said he couldn't talk about it, but he confirmed that what my roommate had told me was true. The US Air Force shot down Flight 93. I haven't told this to many people. I told my parents and other family members shortly after I left the military. They didn't believe it. I figured no one else would either. I kept my mouth shut. Everyone was dedicated to the president and the country (not really) And anything that went against the Official, media delivered story was viewed as unpatriotic. I knew that I loved this country, so I kept my mouth shut. I just can't do that anymore. I know that I don't have any documents to prove it, and I have no way of knowing where the others involved are now days, so I can't prove anything. All I have is my word. and with God as my witness that is the truth."
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#107. To: Cynicom (#103)
Disposing of a half load of people on a 757 would be very difficult for our government. /sarc Not sure where the 757 went Cyni.....what I have no doubt of is that the 757 did not hit the Pentagon with an impact hole of 16 feet without the 125 feet of wingspan breaking a window or the 44 feet in height making an impact or disrupting the Pentalawn. This I know for certain. " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
The problem I have with the Pentagon attack isn't about what hit the building, but how some less than novice pilots managed to perform a stunt that any legit pilot could only fantasize of pulling off. I have an uncle who was a Lt. Col. in the Marines that flew fighter jets for 12 years and he laughed at the notion that a couple of guys who weren't capable of piloting a piper cub could do what was done that day in a commerciaql jet.
That's because they were all put under gag order. In fact other than the first day or two you will see no flight controller commenting anywhere at anytime about what they saw that day. Exactly. Hani Hanjour, who was allegedly at the controls of the Pentagram plane, couldn't even rent a Cessna 172 - after a test flight the guy who checked him out refused to sign off that he was even competent to fly that. Every Flight Instructor who worked with him is on record as saying that he was incompetent as a pilot, and had never flown a jet aircraft of any kind at any time prior to 911. A good number of Professional Pilots have looked at the maneuver and flat said that even a well trained and experienced professional pilot would have found the maneuver nearly impossible if not outright impossible. The problem being the physics of low level flight and that the plane would have been unstable due to tip vortices and be pushed up very forcefully because of the proximity of the ground and the velocity of the plane. In order for them to pull off a stunt with that kind off precision, there woud have to have been a j-dam system rigged into the nose or underside of the plane and a spotter painting the target with a laser. Wasn't a C-130 seen in the area shortly after the strike?
I believe that is correct and also in NYC. Sure you are, sweetheart. I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
That is true. I once witnessed an armed robbery & along with asian eyewitnesses, couldve sworn the perp was black. But 2 black guys claimed he was white. I thought they were a rouse to throw off the cops. But, he WAS white & caught. Wow. "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
THE CLAIM THAT THE PENTAGON WAS NOT STRUCK BY A PLANE IS DELIBERATE DISINFORMATION As can be seen by the above, there are photos which show the wreckage of the aircraft that struck the Pentagon. The claim that there was no plane that hit the Pentagon was never credible. If the plane hadn't hit the Pentagon, where had it gone? There were simply too many witnesses to the plane for it not to exist. One of the earliest clues that this was a deliberate operation by an intelligence agency was the sheer volume of emails insisting that this issue HAD to be looked at. Sometimes the spooks betray themselves with their own heavy handedness. So, why would anyone work so hard to try to establish such an obviously phony straw man? The truth is that the US Government's credibility within the nation and around the world has hit an all time low. Traffic at this website has quadrupled in just the last week alone, with about 50,000 accesses per day of the main article page. The US Government has had a long history of trying to trip up critics of the government with phony planted stories, in order to discredit and embarrass them. Such certainly seems to be the case now. Government operatives have been feeding this bogus claim that there was no plane impact on the Pentagon all over the internet, while the media tries to claim that this idea is the generally accepted view of all government critics. Then, when the government hands out photos of the actual impact taken by a security camera, the same media will work hard to dismiss all critics of the government, indeed the internet community as a whole, as not worthy of serious note. Intelligence agencies call the practice "poisoning the well", and like staging fake terror attacks on ones own people to start a war, such dirty tricks have been used by governments for thousands of years. The "umbrella gun" in the House Select Committee On Assassinations was a similar operation. More recently, during open congressional hearings into public concerns about government abuse, a plant was sent in, dressed in camouflage fatigues, to scream about the secret government tornado making machines. This planted operative became the focus of the media's subsequent campaign to dismiss anyone who would be concerned over government abuse as not worthy of notice. Have no doubt; right now there is a war being waged for the minds of America, and the internet is the high ground. The government always plays dirty, because anyone who still plays fair will be at an automatic disadvantage. This story that the plane did not hit the Pentagon was obviously flawed, primarily because it did not account for where the uncrashed plane went off to. So, think about all the people who tried to sell you this lemon (in my case, many of the return email addresses were fakes), and recognize that they are either idiots or government stooges. Note the timing of the phony story, appearing just at the right moment to distract attention away from the Israeli spy scandal, right when the United States, even as it tries to conceal the existence of the spy ring, rounds up the Israelis and deports them.. Even now, after more photos have been released of the plane's impact into the Pentagon, the shills are still wandering around the internet, trying to keep the "debate" going over whether there is an airplane or there isn't. The aircraft itself isn't the issue; tricking the public into paying attention to the debate is the real goal because if the public is paying attention to the various parties pretending to argue over whether there is an airplane or not, then the public is NOT paying attention to what the government spooks don't want the public paying attention to, namely the Israeli spies and their connection to the events of 9-11. This is why, even though the claim that Flight 77 had not hit the Pentagon never explained where flight 77 went off to if it didn't hit the Pentagon, even though photos have surfaced of the aircraft debris and even though there are witnesses that saw the plane, the spooks are working even harder to try to keep this story alive; to manufacture a false debate as an attractant, because this is the only way they can control what the public is looking at, to keep the public from looking at the spy scandal and what it means that the United States Government CLASSIFIED the evidence that linked those Israeli spies to the events of 9-11. Everyone who is still trying to keep this missing plane story alive, to manufacture a controversy where none really exists, to distract from the Israel spy scandal, is either an idiot or working for the governments of the United States and of Israel.
While I understand Mike's point of view I respectfully disagree. Yes, something hit the Pentagon, but was it Flt 77? That is the real question here. Not whether something hit the Pentagram, BUT what hit the Pentagram? As David Copperfield has proven, by making an airliner disappear, the hand is quicker than the eye and it is possible to use sleight of hand to pull off a large trick. Air Traffic Controllers, before they were gagged and ordered to silence, reported that the observed maneuvers of what was supposed to be Flt 77 resembled that of a high performance military aircraft. This by a known incompetent pilot who never in his life had flown a jet aircraft of any size, shape, or form. There are a series of real physical problems with presuming it was Flt 77. Wing Tip vortices are produced by the aircraft at low altitudes making flight unstable. At the alleged altitude of Flt 77 it would be almost impossible to control a 757 at that altitude. Aeodynamics - a plane with that much wing surface that low to the ground is going to be pushed very forcibly upwards by air pressure. (You can confirm that with Professional Pilots and Aeronautical Engineers both.) There are, when you begin analyzing it closely, contradictions in the supposed eyewitness testimony which suggests two different flight paths OR two different planes. (This is what suggests what I call the "David Copperfield Scenario" where two aircraft are used - one for the impact and the other flies over the top of the building and out of sight. It requires tight timing but is not impossible.) My own thought is that it was some variation of the "David Copperfield Scenario" and that is what the disinformation is intended to obscure. I don't think it was a Cruise Missile as that would be too small. After looking at a lot of different possibilities the one I lean toward is that an S-3 (a twin engine Anti-Submarine Warfare jet) loaded with explosives was painted to look like AA Flt 77. In the few seconds it would be visible the inexperienced eye would pick up the colors but less likely the size differential. The amount of of debris recovered does not add up to a 757. As well was an anomalous turbine that does not appear to be part of the equipage of a 757. It would be the right size for an S-3. No damage to the Pentalawn 2000™. Given the alleged altitude of the plane there was less than 2 feet of clearance between the engine cowling and the undamaged Pentalawn. There is no damage to the lawn recorded. The reason the videos, 11 years after the fact, are still under lock and key (if not destroyed) is that they do not confirm the official story. No sudden release to discredit the "Troofers" has been made to date and the longer time drags on the less credible such a release would be therefore the most likely interpretation is that they show something at variance with the Official Fairy Tale. Another curious datum is the report by one of the survivors in the Pentagram, a woman, that there was a massive explosion in the moments before the plane hit. There are a lot of other anomalies but it would take longer than I have to write it all up right now. The first report that a plane hit the Pentagon was from the pilot of a AC130 that saw the plane, saw it hit and he reported it immediately....ALL OF THAT IS ON FAA TAPE... On youtube there is a video interview with the pilot. There were of course other crew members that saw the same thing.
Google youtube for Col. Bud Holland and his B-52. There was a film crew on top of a bluff or mountain. filming his low level bomb run. He repeatedly came within ten feet of the ground at hi speed. So close the film crew ran for their lives.
You are nitpicking. I did not say that it could not be done but that it would be very unstable. As well the flight profile of a B-52 flying at a slower speed is going to be different. I am not an aeronautical engineer - however I base my conclusions on a study done by a Professor of Aeronautical Engineering. And that B-52 was being flown by a Master Pilot not an incompetent boob who had NEVER EVER flown a jet aircraft of any kind and was regarded by his instructors as incompetent to fly a single engine Cessna 172. However, that is only one point and you did not disprove it you simply tried to substitute something distantly similar. And even if I were to grant that ONE point it is just that one point. Bud got a little close to the runway on that "last" flight !
"The few who understand the [FEDERAL RESERVE] system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests." The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.
No it was not. Holland killed himself and other good men doing such antics. My intention was that a plane indeed may be flown at low level, regardless of the pilot. In Vietnam, friend of mine flew one so low, he was looking in the window of a gook truck at the driver. If you look at testimony of Clancy Prevost, the only interest the terrorists had was in FLYING THE AIRCRAFT, NOT IN TAKEOFF OR LANDING. He was the first to call the FBI.
Ninety degree bank at low altitude in a B-52 is a killer. The co pilot, the SQ CO, ejected but right into the inferno.
No it was not. Holland killed himself and other good men doing such antics. However, he knew what he was doing and had been trained and checked out in the aircraft. Regardless of whether he pushed the envelope one too many timeS is really beside the point. Hani Hanjour had NEVER EVER been qualified to fly the 757 that he allegedly put through high speed aerobatics and was not regarded as competent to fly a singe engine propeller driven Cessna 172 in level flight let alone putting it through sophisticated advanced maneuvers. Anecdotal evidence and not under the same circumstances nor the same type of aircraft. We already know that the cell phone calls did not occur as reported, and that has been proven, so it would be no great order of magnitude to plan for and plant other pieces of "information" that mislead. The maneuvers reported by the ATC before they were gagged were not trivial flying an aircraft at level flight. The demonstrated maneuvers as observed were both sophisticated and actions that would require a well trained pilot not an incompetent boob. As well was the problem of navigation as the aircraft was allegedly turned around in the midwest and then flown back. For an explanation to approach validity it has to account for all the evidence and not just presume that magically an unqualified bad pilot suddenly, overnight, developed the skills of a master pilot. deleted
The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” —Samuel Adams America: Israel's Handmaiden
Prevost was local boy. His Father was our family doctor. Clancy was first to insist on FBI being called. He was former navy pilot, airline pilot retired and flight instructor. When the terrorist wanted only flying, he blew the whistle.
To discover the truth of this 911 matter one needs simply to understand the nature of "THE STATE". This guy nailed quite some time ago, Friedrich Nietzsch, and he nailed it quite succinctly. "The state is the coldest of all cold monsters. Coldly it lies, too; and this lie creeps from its mouth: `I, the state, am the people.'... Everything about it is false; it bites with stolen teeth. "
Dubya, Hitlery the Viper, and their ilk probably had a big barbecue at one of their Bohemian Grove blood letting festivals, the flight 93 occupants were the main course.
Question is, what was that C-130 doing in a no fly zone?
I just wish people would stop and realize that these types of conspiracy (sp) leaks come from the govt... it is disinformation. Even the moron Meyssan who was the big "proponent" of this crap admitted he was paid by the U.S. to put up his "no plane" website and that they advanced him a substantial sum for a book they had him publish. I will tell anybody who says a plane didn't hit the Pentagram they are wrong - I know that for a FACT. Annapolis, Sept 2001 - Oracle Financials class - I blew off a day of classes and my wife and I went touring because she had never been to DC or the east coast. Nuff said.
My friend, you completely understand the evil hovering above, having detailed the nature of the shadowy, pointy tailed puppeteers who are "giving us the govt we deserve". But on this issue you're clearly predisposed to uncharacteristic denial across the board. As you know our military and intel machines are the conjoined weapons of choice used to effect so many of the unspeakable horrors today. Experimental war time training exercises that hatched out and lost its egg tooth with the birth of The OSI are now de facto policies under which we Americans and much of the world suffer. And so many of the most powerful principals who derived benefit from 9/11 were at the helm during other intentional collisions of force and human life, many of which you have identified and intelligently addressed. In fact, everyone from The Hunt Bros to Chiquita Brands International Inc. would as likely as not sign off on PNAC's coup against us, regardless of the planned loss of innocent life. No offense but I question the sincerity of your assertions and I can only wonder (I won't ask) about your reasons for same.
I'd only suggest that none of these entities are "ours" even though they claim to be. My guess is that all intel agencies serve international banker elites and the corporations they manipulate and have done so in their current capacity since WW II. Prior to that they existed in the form of secret societies such as the Jesuit Order, Skull and Bones, Free Masons, and etc., These organizations have existed for millenia and are even described (as an abomination) in the Bible (Old Testament). It occurs to me that these groups remain compartmentalized to increase plausible deniability while usually working towards the world government agenda. The intel system is huge and so are the stakes. Our strength lies in our numbers. We, the people at large, can only dismantle their death machine when we determine not to participate in their schemes, and refuse to accept all of their bullshit concerning national security, immunity for liars and criminals posing as judges, congressmen and policing agents that subvert the very document that birthed the government. When societies realize that serving the system will ultimately result in their own destruction they can choose to resist or surrender. Many people have become dependent upon the crumbs that fall from Satan's table. These people are as much the enemy of mankind as those committing the atrocities such as 9-11, or the OKC bombing. I guess I'm trying to say that mankind is weak, so very weak, that they will knowingly and willingly serve their stomachs or personal desires aware of the destruction about to befall them. My last comment is that the ability to create and monopolize money / credit is the key to the successful takeover of the earth by the baby-killing scum occupying the highest positions in societies. We don't have to be geniuses to stop them but we must stop being selfish and reject the (alleged) benefits of their criminal enterprise because we become ONE WITH THEM and are our own worst enemy when we do so. "The few who understand the [FEDERAL RESERVE] system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests." The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.
The C-130 was under positive ATC control at all times. The Pentagon is so huge that in good weather it can be seen from many miles away at even low altitude. On the tape, the controller tells the 130 he has an approaching unidentified aircraft. C-130 pilot sees the other aircraft hit the Pentagon and is the first one to report it. There is an excellent video of an interview later with the pilot on youtube,
I am against absurdity of so many arguments being used in the framework to "prove" 9/11 was a conspiracy. Yes indeed 9/11 was a huge conspiracy, by many people. However, there is no excuse for anyone to use arguments to buttress their view, when such arguments are utterly absurd and border on the ridiculous. All of this enhances and aids those that are guilty. It just helps muddy the already roiled water. The most egregious insult is that hundreds of people were somehow induced by the bad people to lie. Even foreigners with no connection whatsoever to anything. Doubters must use a little restraint, for in not being objective, they HAVE AIDED THE BAD PEOPLE SINCE DAY ONE.
Do you believe in science? Do you think you have to see something with your own eyes to have very good idea what did not happen? What didn't happen is a 757 made a huge dive and spiral at very high speeds low enough to hit lamposts and hit the Pentagon on the first floor creating only a 16 foot hole while leaving the Pentagon lawn intact with no signs of an aircraft anywhere after the impact. How do I know that? Science. You can believe those eye witnesses if you want to, I say they are all full of crap. God is always good!
Right click on image......select view image information. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_sociopol/911_90_08.jpg " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” —Samuel Adams America: Israel's Handmaiden
Lol.....you can count on me to offer the obvious. : )
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” —Samuel Adams America: Israel's Handmaiden
So, does he explain how a person who's never flown a plane before managed to get a commercial jet to hover inches above the ground while going over 500 mph, because that's a story I gotta hear.
Take a look at this. Three "yous" in first nine words. With such I do not read further. It is much better to write without using "accusatory finger pointing yous". Three out of nine is NOT being objective in any discussion. Rewrite it and I will be happy to respond.
Not really, when you make claims that all the masses who do not think as you do are ignorant.....might as well put you in because that's what you mean. : ) You're nit-picking over something you do in a back handed way, sweetie. " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Really not that difficult. The new modern simulators are excellent in training non pilots how to fly, without ever leaving the ground. They are so realistic that even veteran Captains break out in a sweat when they are put their paces. Running thru the available information, over and over it is mentioned the bad guys as wanting primarily to buy simulator time which is very expensive.
AB... See what I mean?????????? I will address what I read above. Of all the good people here on 4um, I am most likely the least educated, or tied for last place. Carrying a PHD might make me think of others as ignorant. The reverse is true. Starting there, how do I dare question what is written by others? Well it is dangerous as others here can see. I stick my head up and there are friends that would take it off, in a personal manner. I am highly qualified because being logical, objective and inquisitive requires no brains, no smarts etc etc. Case in point... The landing gear of the aircraft was found inside the Pentagon. It is very heavy, it took heavy equipment to remove it thru the wall entry hole. I asked one person how they accounted for the removal if it was a missile that struck the Pentagon. Their answer was very simple and well over my head.....THE LANDING GEAR HAD BEEN PLANTED PRIOR TO THE MISSILE ATTACK... How could I possibly find that simple explanation as not the whole truth?????????????????
I'll take that as a NO. Don't expect anymore replys from me. I don't waste my time with people who don't believe in science.
God is always good!
i heard the Happy Hooligans got a Congressional award for shooting it down. on a side note, i heard a few weeks ago, that the new WTC building was going to be 1,776 feet high. "Satan on Our Dollar! The Masonic Seal of America.... “Historian/author Ralph Epperson has spent many years researching the history of the Great Seal, and has discovered that those who designed the two circles committed America to what has been called 'A Secret Destiny.' This future 'destiny' is so unpleasant that those who wanted the changes it entails had to conceal that truth in symbols.” ...The Number of the Beast - 666 The letters on the base of the Illuminati pyramid [ MDCCLXXVI ] stand for certain numbers. And all those numbers when added up equal 1776, the year the Illuminati formed. More than one method exists for arriving at 1776. However, there is only one way to arrive at the following sequence. The Babylonian numbering system was used by the Masonic designers of the Seal. That numbering system was not based on ten, but on six. For example, “600” would be 1000, “60” would be 100 and “6” would be 10. The Occult is Trinitarian, i.e. it's main teachings are grouped in three's. The Number Sequence "93 and 93, 93"; or 600, 60, and 6 is the "current" of the new age of Aquarius - the Water Bearer, which heralds the end of the age of Pisces - the Fishes (an early symbol of Christianity) in the teachings of the Order of the Eastern Templars or O.T.O. If you want the truth, God will reveal it to you. You have to not want the truth to remain ignorant in today's world, because the truth is all around us. Every U.S. dollar shouts in our faces concerning the occult-driven New World Order; yet the same men who deny any conspiracies carry, view and spend U.S. dollars with conspiracy symbols all over it. What a striking paradox! Men who vehemently deny the government's involvement in orchestrating the 9/11 attacks fail to see the occult All-Seeing-Eye at the Ground Zero Memorial mocking them. In your face America! The elite criminals who are destroying America, bankrupting our economy, and stealing our liberties put their mark right in our faces, in our wallets, in religions, in our cities, on television, on music albums, and everywhere we turn to mock our stupidity. They're so obvious and yet completely hidden from view. This is the nature of secret societies. They literally laugh at their elite parties and high-society gatherings at how obvious they make themselves in plain view, and yet people walk by and go about life as usual without giving them a second thought. You fools, wake up and look around you. ...." "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Well, thats my loss. I even read and post to Turtle, so I will continue to read yours.
Where are all the surveillance videos of the event, ie. Virginia DOT traffic cams, Pentagon roof cams, etc.? Oh wait, we have the Doubletree Hotel surveillance video, which shows an explosion but no plane. So where is all this evidence Cyni? Or how about the CNN video which shows little to no indication of a plane having hit the Pentagon, where there are no jet fuel fires on the outside walls of the Pentagon whereas there WOULD have been huge fires there if a 757's wings had splattered into them. Instead, there were only isolated fires in the immediate area of the "hole" caused by whatever hit the Pentagon, and it did not encompass the area where the wings should have, or rather WOULD have hit had it been a 757. And one other thing. Notice the Pentagon lawn towards the end of the above video? It is spotless. There is a team of individuals exiting a bus however, with bags full of "something", heading towards the Pentagon...
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#108. To: Cynicom (#87)
#109. To: Cynicom (#44)
To my knowledge there has not been one person that has stepped forward and acknowledged a shoot down, witnessed by them on radar, not one.
#110. To: Obnoxicated (#108)
The problem I have with the Pentagon attack isn't about what hit the building, but how some less than novice pilots managed to perform a stunt that any legit pilot could only fantasize of pulling off. I have an uncle who was a Lt. Col. in the Marines that flew fighter jets for 12 years and he laughed at the notion that a couple of guys who weren't capable of piloting a piper cub could do what was done that day in a commerciaql jet.
#111. To: Original_Intent (#110)
#112. To: Obnoxicated (#111)
Wasn't a C-130 seen in the area shortly after the strike?
#113. To: tom007 (#0)
"I am an Air Force veteran"
#114. To: Phant2000 (#95)
often find different explanations for the same event
#115. To: Cynicom (#8)
#116. To: bush_is_a_moonie, Cynicom, Artisan (#115)
#117. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#115)
Everyone who is still trying to keep this missing plane story alive, to manufacture a controversy where none really exists, to distract from the Israel spy scandal, is either an idiot or working for the governments of the United States and of Israel.
#118. To: Original_Intent (#116)
Wing Tip vortices are produced by the aircraft at low altitudes making flight unstable. At the alleged altitude of Flt 77 it would be almost impossible to control a 757 at that altitude.
#119. To: Cynicom (#118)
#120. To: Cynicom (#118)
#121. To: Original_Intent (#119)
And that B-52 was being flown by a Master Pilot not an incompetent boob
#122. To: noone222 (#120)
#123. To: Cynicom (#121)
And that B-52 was being flown by a Master Pilot not an incompetent boob
In Vietnam, friend of mine flew one so low, he was looking in the window of a gook truck at the driver.
If you look at testimony of Clancy Prevost, the only interest the terrorists had was in FLYING THE AIRCRAFT, NOT IN TAKEOFF OR LANDING. He was the first to call the FBI.
#124. To: wudidiz (#25)
#125. To: Original_Intent (#123)
#126. To: tom007, *9-11* (#0)
#127. To: All (#126)
#128. To: Cynicom (#117)
#129. To: Cynicom (#121)
#130. To: Cynicom, christine, farmfriend, Shoonra, Jethro Tull, purplerose, Original_Intent (#125)
#131. To: HOUNDDAWG (#130)
As you know our military and intel machines are the conjoined weapons of choice used to effect so many of the unspeakable horrors today.
#132. To: Obnoxicated (#128)
Question is, what was that C-130 doing in a no fly zone?
#133. To: HOUNDDAWG (#130)
But on this issue you're clearly predisposed to uncharacteristic denial across the board.
#134. To: Cynicom (#36)
No more than I believe people that DID NOT SEE Flt 93 crash.
#135. To: Eric Stratton (#124)
#136. To: abraxas (#135)
#137. To: Eric Stratton (#136)
#138. To: abraxas (#137)
#139. To: Cynicom (#132)
#140. To: RickyJ (#134)
Do you believe in science? Do you think you
#141. To: Cynicom (#140)
It is much better to write without using "accusatory finger pointing yous".
#142. To: Obnoxicated (#139)
So, does he explain how a person who's never flown a plane before managed to get a commercial jet to hover inches above the ground while going over 500 mph, because that's a story I gotta hear.
#143. To: abraxas (#141)
Not really, when you make claims that all the masses who do not think as you do are ignorant.
#144. To: Cynicom (#140)
#145. To: tom007 (#0)
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#146. To: RickyJ (#144)
. Don't expect anymore replys from me.
#147. To: Cynicom, *9-11* (#132)
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"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
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