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Title: "The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93"
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URL Source: http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/
Published: May 19, 2012
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Post Date: 2012-05-19 18:03:51 by tom007
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"The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93" The following comment was posted to my blog today (I do not know who the author is -- he posted semi-anonymously; so decide for yourself whether or not you believe him): "I am an Air Force veteran. I was serving at Langley AFB, Virginia on Sept. 11. (not to be confused with CIA headquarters at Langley, VA). The "Alert Squadron" of 4 F-16 Falcons also stationed at Langley AFB was scrambled AFTER the "plane" crashed into the Pentagon. Because of my position as a ground equipment mechanic, I had access to the flightline operations that day. My friends were Crew Cheifs and Weapons Loaders, among other professions on the flightline that day. One of my [unusual] duties that day was to drive a Loader (personal friend) along with a rack of live missiles (AIM-9's and AIM-120's) across the active runway to the Alert Squadron and drop them off. I was towing equipment to the flightline, so when it was time to go back and pick up the Loader (and our missile trailer) I was unable to do so, but another member of my Flight (a good friend, and later roommate) did go. According to my roommate (and I later confirmed with the Loader) the Loader was completely silent most of the trip back to our side of the base, after they crossed the active, he spoke. "They shot one down." JJ replied "WHAT?" Loader:"One of those 16's came back with one less missile than it left with" That was all. As they pulled back in to the squadron area, The loader was whisked away by his commanders for debriefing. I didn't see him for a few days, but when I did, he said he couldn't talk about it, but he confirmed that what my roommate had told me was true. The US Air Force shot down Flight 93. I haven't told this to many people. I told my parents and other family members shortly after I left the military. They didn't believe it. I figured no one else would either. I kept my mouth shut. Everyone was dedicated to the president and the country (not really) And anything that went against the Official, media delivered story was viewed as unpatriotic. I knew that I loved this country, so I kept my mouth shut. I just can't do that anymore. I know that I don't have any documents to prove it, and I have no way of knowing where the others involved are now days, so I can't prove anything. All I have is my word. and with God as my witness that is the truth."
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” —Samuel Adams America: Israel's Handmaiden
Prevost was local boy. His Father was our family doctor. Clancy was first to insist on FBI being called. He was former navy pilot, airline pilot retired and flight instructor. When the terrorist wanted only flying, he blew the whistle.
To discover the truth of this 911 matter one needs simply to understand the nature of "THE STATE". This guy nailed quite some time ago, Friedrich Nietzsch, and he nailed it quite succinctly. "The state is the coldest of all cold monsters. Coldly it lies, too; and this lie creeps from its mouth: `I, the state, am the people.'... Everything about it is false; it bites with stolen teeth. "
Dubya, Hitlery the Viper, and their ilk probably had a big barbecue at one of their Bohemian Grove blood letting festivals, the flight 93 occupants were the main course.
Question is, what was that C-130 doing in a no fly zone?
I just wish people would stop and realize that these types of conspiracy (sp) leaks come from the govt... it is disinformation. Even the moron Meyssan who was the big "proponent" of this crap admitted he was paid by the U.S. to put up his "no plane" website and that they advanced him a substantial sum for a book they had him publish. I will tell anybody who says a plane didn't hit the Pentagram they are wrong - I know that for a FACT. Annapolis, Sept 2001 - Oracle Financials class - I blew off a day of classes and my wife and I went touring because she had never been to DC or the east coast. Nuff said.
My friend, you completely understand the evil hovering above, having detailed the nature of the shadowy, pointy tailed puppeteers who are "giving us the govt we deserve". But on this issue you're clearly predisposed to uncharacteristic denial across the board. As you know our military and intel machines are the conjoined weapons of choice used to effect so many of the unspeakable horrors today. Experimental war time training exercises that hatched out and lost its egg tooth with the birth of The OSI are now de facto policies under which we Americans and much of the world suffer. And so many of the most powerful principals who derived benefit from 9/11 were at the helm during other intentional collisions of force and human life, many of which you have identified and intelligently addressed. In fact, everyone from The Hunt Bros to Chiquita Brands International Inc. would as likely as not sign off on PNAC's coup against us, regardless of the planned loss of innocent life. No offense but I question the sincerity of your assertions and I can only wonder (I won't ask) about your reasons for same.
I'd only suggest that none of these entities are "ours" even though they claim to be. My guess is that all intel agencies serve international banker elites and the corporations they manipulate and have done so in their current capacity since WW II. Prior to that they existed in the form of secret societies such as the Jesuit Order, Skull and Bones, Free Masons, and etc., These organizations have existed for millenia and are even described (as an abomination) in the Bible (Old Testament). It occurs to me that these groups remain compartmentalized to increase plausible deniability while usually working towards the world government agenda. The intel system is huge and so are the stakes. Our strength lies in our numbers. We, the people at large, can only dismantle their death machine when we determine not to participate in their schemes, and refuse to accept all of their bullshit concerning national security, immunity for liars and criminals posing as judges, congressmen and policing agents that subvert the very document that birthed the government. When societies realize that serving the system will ultimately result in their own destruction they can choose to resist or surrender. Many people have become dependent upon the crumbs that fall from Satan's table. These people are as much the enemy of mankind as those committing the atrocities such as 9-11, or the OKC bombing. I guess I'm trying to say that mankind is weak, so very weak, that they will knowingly and willingly serve their stomachs or personal desires aware of the destruction about to befall them. My last comment is that the ability to create and monopolize money / credit is the key to the successful takeover of the earth by the baby-killing scum occupying the highest positions in societies. We don't have to be geniuses to stop them but we must stop being selfish and reject the (alleged) benefits of their criminal enterprise because we become ONE WITH THEM and are our own worst enemy when we do so. "The few who understand the [FEDERAL RESERVE] system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests." The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.
The C-130 was under positive ATC control at all times. The Pentagon is so huge that in good weather it can be seen from many miles away at even low altitude. On the tape, the controller tells the 130 he has an approaching unidentified aircraft. C-130 pilot sees the other aircraft hit the Pentagon and is the first one to report it. There is an excellent video of an interview later with the pilot on youtube,
I am against absurdity of so many arguments being used in the framework to "prove" 9/11 was a conspiracy. Yes indeed 9/11 was a huge conspiracy, by many people. However, there is no excuse for anyone to use arguments to buttress their view, when such arguments are utterly absurd and border on the ridiculous. All of this enhances and aids those that are guilty. It just helps muddy the already roiled water. The most egregious insult is that hundreds of people were somehow induced by the bad people to lie. Even foreigners with no connection whatsoever to anything. Doubters must use a little restraint, for in not being objective, they HAVE AIDED THE BAD PEOPLE SINCE DAY ONE.
Do you believe in science? Do you think you have to see something with your own eyes to have very good idea what did not happen? What didn't happen is a 757 made a huge dive and spiral at very high speeds low enough to hit lamposts and hit the Pentagon on the first floor creating only a 16 foot hole while leaving the Pentagon lawn intact with no signs of an aircraft anywhere after the impact. How do I know that? Science. You can believe those eye witnesses if you want to, I say they are all full of crap. God is always good!
Right click on image......select view image information. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_sociopol/911_90_08.jpg " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” —Samuel Adams America: Israel's Handmaiden
Lol.....you can count on me to offer the obvious. : )
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” —Samuel Adams America: Israel's Handmaiden
So, does he explain how a person who's never flown a plane before managed to get a commercial jet to hover inches above the ground while going over 500 mph, because that's a story I gotta hear.
Take a look at this. Three "yous" in first nine words. With such I do not read further. It is much better to write without using "accusatory finger pointing yous". Three out of nine is NOT being objective in any discussion. Rewrite it and I will be happy to respond.
Not really, when you make claims that all the masses who do not think as you do are ignorant.....might as well put you in because that's what you mean. : ) You're nit-picking over something you do in a back handed way, sweetie. " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Really not that difficult. The new modern simulators are excellent in training non pilots how to fly, without ever leaving the ground. They are so realistic that even veteran Captains break out in a sweat when they are put their paces. Running thru the available information, over and over it is mentioned the bad guys as wanting primarily to buy simulator time which is very expensive.
AB... See what I mean?????????? I will address what I read above. Of all the good people here on 4um, I am most likely the least educated, or tied for last place. Carrying a PHD might make me think of others as ignorant. The reverse is true. Starting there, how do I dare question what is written by others? Well it is dangerous as others here can see. I stick my head up and there are friends that would take it off, in a personal manner. I am highly qualified because being logical, objective and inquisitive requires no brains, no smarts etc etc. Case in point... The landing gear of the aircraft was found inside the Pentagon. It is very heavy, it took heavy equipment to remove it thru the wall entry hole. I asked one person how they accounted for the removal if it was a missile that struck the Pentagon. Their answer was very simple and well over my head.....THE LANDING GEAR HAD BEEN PLANTED PRIOR TO THE MISSILE ATTACK... How could I possibly find that simple explanation as not the whole truth?????????????????
I'll take that as a NO. Don't expect anymore replys from me. I don't waste my time with people who don't believe in science.
God is always good!
i heard the Happy Hooligans got a Congressional award for shooting it down. on a side note, i heard a few weeks ago, that the new WTC building was going to be 1,776 feet high. "Satan on Our Dollar! The Masonic Seal of America.... “Historian/author Ralph Epperson has spent many years researching the history of the Great Seal, and has discovered that those who designed the two circles committed America to what has been called 'A Secret Destiny.' This future 'destiny' is so unpleasant that those who wanted the changes it entails had to conceal that truth in symbols.” ...The Number of the Beast - 666 The letters on the base of the Illuminati pyramid [ MDCCLXXVI ] stand for certain numbers. And all those numbers when added up equal 1776, the year the Illuminati formed. More than one method exists for arriving at 1776. However, there is only one way to arrive at the following sequence. The Babylonian numbering system was used by the Masonic designers of the Seal. That numbering system was not based on ten, but on six. For example, “600” would be 1000, “60” would be 100 and “6” would be 10. The Occult is Trinitarian, i.e. it's main teachings are grouped in three's. The Number Sequence "93 and 93, 93"; or 600, 60, and 6 is the "current" of the new age of Aquarius - the Water Bearer, which heralds the end of the age of Pisces - the Fishes (an early symbol of Christianity) in the teachings of the Order of the Eastern Templars or O.T.O. If you want the truth, God will reveal it to you. You have to not want the truth to remain ignorant in today's world, because the truth is all around us. Every U.S. dollar shouts in our faces concerning the occult-driven New World Order; yet the same men who deny any conspiracies carry, view and spend U.S. dollars with conspiracy symbols all over it. What a striking paradox! Men who vehemently deny the government's involvement in orchestrating the 9/11 attacks fail to see the occult All-Seeing-Eye at the Ground Zero Memorial mocking them. In your face America! The elite criminals who are destroying America, bankrupting our economy, and stealing our liberties put their mark right in our faces, in our wallets, in religions, in our cities, on television, on music albums, and everywhere we turn to mock our stupidity. They're so obvious and yet completely hidden from view. This is the nature of secret societies. They literally laugh at their elite parties and high-society gatherings at how obvious they make themselves in plain view, and yet people walk by and go about life as usual without giving them a second thought. You fools, wake up and look around you. ...." "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Well, thats my loss. I even read and post to Turtle, so I will continue to read yours.
Where are all the surveillance videos of the event, ie. Virginia DOT traffic cams, Pentagon roof cams, etc.? Oh wait, we have the Doubletree Hotel surveillance video, which shows an explosion but no plane. So where is all this evidence Cyni? Or how about the CNN video which shows little to no indication of a plane having hit the Pentagon, where there are no jet fuel fires on the outside walls of the Pentagon whereas there WOULD have been huge fires there if a 757's wings had splattered into them. Instead, there were only isolated fires in the immediate area of the "hole" caused by whatever hit the Pentagon, and it did not encompass the area where the wings should have, or rather WOULD have hit had it been a 757. And one other thing. Notice the Pentagon lawn towards the end of the above video? It is spotless. There is a team of individuals exiting a bus however, with bags full of "something", heading towards the Pentagon... For a 757 to descend to ALMOST ground level (engines 3 feet off the deck), while FLYING AT 500+ mph and hitting a ground floor wall with the nose level, without scraping one blade of grass on the lawn, isn't just FLYING, it isn't just LANDING (which is basically was), it is performing the IMPOSSIBLE since ground effect would have caused the plane to climb at that speed and at that altitude. Only a hard nose down on the yoke would have kept it from climbing, and the result of that would have been a nose down crash into the lawn, causing the plane to break into a zillion pieces OUTSIDE of the Pentagon with practically no energy left to even dent the Pentagon wall. That obviously didn't happen, hence, not only was it NOT a 757 which hit the Pentagon, it most certainly was NOT flown by an idiot who couldn't fly a Cessna in standard level flight. He doesn't believe in science. You can't reason with a person like that. I always thought those that believed we didn't send men to the moon were nuts. But applying simple science to videos supposedly from the moon shows me they aren't nuts at all, no man went to the moon. People will believe what they want to believe it appears because that way they don't have to worry about evidence and most importantly, reality. Reality is not pretty, so I can understand people wanting to avoid it.
God is always good!
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” —Samuel Adams America: Israel's Handmaiden
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” —Samuel Adams America: Israel's Handmaiden
It all would have been on there! And that's why that video hasn't seen the light of day. They're probably waiting until they can make a PERFECT fake, where they can't quite get it right yet. That, or perhaps he only accepts it from the word of paid "experts", those with a vested interest in making sure the "proper" story is told to the gullible sheep. There is no good reason to hide and keep under lock and key all of the surveillance videos that would have shown the approach of the jet to the Pentagram ... UNLESS ... what they show contradicts the official lie and shows things that might prove it to have been a total fabrication - which of course loops us right back around to what we already know ... 911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB. Exactly right. DEATH OF THE PHOENIX FINAL ACT FOR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA ".... The original design submitted for the Great Seal of the United States depicted the Phoenix in a nest of flames. This pagan symbol was discreetly changed to the eagle to obscure its occult symbolism: the planned destruction of the United States of America. Also engraved on the Great Seal was the six-pointed Seal of Solomon, which symbolizes rebirth. That the Seal of Solomon is also the Star of David on the flag of Israel reveals where the “New Order of the Ages” will be reborn. Moreover, the Judeo-Masonic Seal reveals that the New World Order envisioned by the Judeo-Freemasons would be the Jews’ “New Jerusalem”: “Washington would also stamp Templar and Masonic symbols on the dollar bill, which survive to this day. The eye enclosed in a triangle echoes the apocalyptic visions of an obscure medieval seer, Joachim de Fiore, while the pyramid, left unfinished, suggests a pinnacle of human wisdom that is still to be reached. “The symbols reflected the millennial yearnings that fuelled the American Revolution — a belief in building a Heaven on Earth, as well as a better society. They are directly related to the similar symbols that cover the secret scroll of Kirkwall. “Henry St Clair had failed in his attempt to build a new Jerusalem in the New World, but the dollar bill and the sacred scroll ensured that his Templar vision lived on.” (The Secret Scroll) So it was the “millennial yearnings” of the Gnostic monk, Joachim of Fiore, that fuelled the American Revolution? And we thought the Revolutionary War was fought over representative government, religious freedom, and the rationalist ideals of the founding fathers! Now we are informed by President George Bush that the American Revolution is not over, and that it is actually directed by a mysterious angel which answers to Lucifer: “After the Declaration of Independence was signed, Virginia statesman John Page wrote to Thomas Jefferson: ‘We know the Race is not to the swift nor the Battle to the Strong. Do you not think an Angel rides in the Whirlwind and directs this Storm?...’ This work continues. The story goes on. And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.” (Bush Inaugural) The multitude of Judeo-Masonic symbols on the currency of the United States is like the handwriting on the wall which forecasts the downfall of another great superpower. However, these symbols also reveal that the sacrifice of the United States of America by her own leaders was preordained from the time of the American Revolution, and probably well before. The Judeo-Freemasons also understood that the transition into their New World Order would not be a smooth process, and that they would need to attribute the whole messy business (“Ordo ab Chao”) to God Almighty, lest Americans discover the true perpetrators. George Washington, a 33° Freemason and Charter Worshipful Master of Alexandria Lodge No. 22, purportedly had a vision of the destruction of the United States. If this vision truly originated with Washington, and is not a recent invention by the Judeo-Freemasons, it may have been a prediction of what was planned in that era for the USA. “A Vision of George Washington: "The Birth, the progress and the destiny of the United States” even has foreign armies invading the United States: “Again I heard a mysterious voice saying, ‘Son of the Republic, look and learn.’ “At this the dark, shadowy angel placed a trumpet to his mouth, and blew three distinct blasts; and taking water from the ocean, he sprinkled it upon Europe, Asia, and Africa. “Then my eyes beheld a fearful scene. From each of these continents arose thick black clouds that were soon joined into one. And throughout this mass there gleamed a dark red light by which I saw hordes of armed men. These men, moving with the cloud marched by land and sailed by sea to America, which country was enveloped in the volume of the cloud. And I dimly saw these vast armies devastate the whole country and burn the villages, towns and cities, which I had seen spring up. “As my ears listened to the thundering of the cannon, clashing of swords, and the shouts and cries of millions in mortal combat, I again heard the mysterious voice saying, “‘Son of the Republic, look and learn.’” A preview of the terrors that have been planned for the U.S. is featured in a shocking video game that was released in October of 2005 and is being marketed to teenagers. The purpose of the game is to give young Americans experience in strategic combat against other regions of their own country which have seceded from the Union and divided into seven nation-states, including Washington, D.C. and surrounding states which are occupied by a European Union peacekeeping force. “Shattered Union begins with a premise that hits way too close to home for Americans in these troubled times. A disputed Presidential election and a spate of domestic terrorism incidents push the United States into increased sectarian squabbling. When an atomic bomb detonates in Washington D.C., eliminating the entire Presidential line of succession, the U.S. breaks up into six squabbling nation states. The secession starts with California and Texas declaring their independence, followed quickly by the northwest states of Pacifica, the Great Plains, the New Confederacy, and the New England Alliance. The European Union, desperate to restore order to avoid the worldwide repercussions of a second Civil War, invades the area around Washington D.C. as an occupying army, effectively forms a seventh power on the continent. Each one is attempting to re-unite the United States and cast the new America in its own image… “Following a great increase in terrorism, internal strife and, ultimately, the nuclear destruction of Washington, D.C., the United States shatters into a half dozen nation-states that descend into war…” (See the trailers: “Shattered Union: United We Stood”) To justify the destruction of the USA, the Zionists must now portray America as “Babylon the Great” collapsing under the wrath of God, per Revelation 18. Surely, “Ichabod,” which means “the glory has departed,” could apply the United States in its degenerate condition today, yet the propagandists never mention that the Jewish-owned and controlled entertainment media has led the United States down the broad road to moral destruction. Moreover, the Zionist cabal must incite the people of the world against Americans so that when their beloved country falls, the world will rejoice, never suspecting the truth. Which is why the ubiquitous propaganda mills on the Internet continuously revile the USA as “Babylon” and even gloat over its imminent demise.[ bible.cc/micah/4-11.htm ] In 1921, Henry Ford exposed this shell game in his powerful expose, The International Jew: “It is a most important consideration that most of the national animosities that exist today arose out of resentment against what Jewish money power did under the camouflage of national names. “‘The British did this,’ ‘The Germans did this,’ when it was the International Jew who did it, the nations being but the marked spaces on his checker board. Today, around the world the blaming word is heard, ‘The United States did this. If it were not for the United States the world would be in a better shape. The Americans are a sordid, greedy, cruel people.’ “Why? Because the Jewish money power is centered here and is making money out of both our immunity and Europe’s distress, playing one against the other; and because so many so-called ‘American business men’ abroad today are not Americans at all - they are Jews. “Citizens wake up with a start to find that even the white nations are hardly allowed to see each other nowadays except through Jewish eyes. Great Britain and France seldom see a special American spokesman who is not a Jew. That may be the reason why they reciprocate by sending Jews to us, thinking perhaps that we prefer them.” (The International Jew : Chapter 1) This strategy has succeeded to the point that International Jewry now controls the governments of the world. By “International Jewry” is meant the high cabal of Jews who designate themselves the Learned Elders of Sion or, alternatively, the Priory of Zion or Prieuré de Sion. Under the direction of this high cabal of International Jewry is a global network of Masonic societies. The term “Judeo-Freemasonry” describes this network of secret societies more accurately than “Freemasonry” because it conveys the reality that these fraternities, the majority of which are comprised of Gentiles, are under the covert government of B’nai B’rith, which is under the direction of the Learned Elders of Sion of the 33º. [See: The Synarchy: "Judeo-Christian" Theocracy Fronts for International Banking Cartel] Rabbi Isaac Mayer Wise, a pioneer of Reform Judaism in America, stated in 1855: “Freemasonry is a Jewish establishment, whose history, grades, official appointments, passwords, and explanations are Jewish from beginning to end.” (See: Heeding Bible Prophecy: New Israel) The Jewish Tribune stated in 1927, “Freemasonry is based on Judaism. Eliminate the teachings of Judaism from the Masonic ritual and what is left?” The agenda of International Jewry, called “Zionism,” is the reestablishment of the Kingdom of Greater Israel to rule over the Gentile world. “Zionists” are agents of the high cabal who promote the agenda of the Elders of Sion, which also includes the destruction of Christianity in all of its forms. The terms “International Jewry” and “Zionist” do not apply to all Jews, but to those Jews who have rejected the God of Israel and, through deception and intrigue, are carrying out the directives of their god, Lucifer. [See: Mystery Babylon the Great: Catholic or Jewish?] ....." http://watch.pair.com/death-phoenix.html Micah 4:10 Be in pain, and labour to bring forth, O daughter of Zion [ http://www.wnd.com/2007/04/41327/ ], like a woman in travail: for now shalt thou go forth out of the city, and thou shalt dwell in the field, and thou shalt go even to "Babylon" [ http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/E...m/satan_on_our_dollar.htm ]; there shalt thou be delivered; there the LORD shall redeem thee from the hand of thine enemies. Deliver yourself, O Zion [ http://www.wnd.com/2007/04/41327/ ], that dwells with the daughter of Babylon [ http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/E...m/satan_on_our_dollar.htm ]. bible.cc/zechariah/2-7.htm Micah 4:13/Psalm 2, etc. They lose. "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” —Samuel Adams America: Israel's Handmaiden
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” —Samuel Adams America: Israel's Handmaiden
I'd only suggest that none of these entities are "ours" even though they claim to be. My guess is that all intel agencies serve international banker elites and the corporations they manipulate and have done so in their current capacity since WW II. Prior to that they existed in the form of secret societies such as the Jesuit Order, Skull and Bones, Free Masons, and etc., These organizations have existed for millenia and are even described (as an abomination) in the Bible (Old Testament). It occurs to me that these groups remain compartmentalized to increase plausible deniability while usually working towards the world government agenda. The intel system is huge and so are the stakes. Our strength lies in our numbers. We, the people at large, can only dismantle their death machine when we determine not to participate in their schemes, and refuse to accept all of their bullshit concerning national security, immunity for liars and criminals posing as judges, congressmen and policing agents that subvert the very document that birthed the government. When societies realize that serving the system will ultimately result in their own destruction they can choose to resist or surrender. Many people have become dependent upon the crumbs that fall from Satan's table. These people are as much the enemy of mankind as those committing the atrocities such as 9-11, or the OKC bombing. I guess I'm trying to say that mankind is weak, so very weak, that they will knowingly and willingly serve their stomachs or personal desires aware of the destruction about to befall them. My last comment is that the ability to create and monopolize money / credit is the key to the successful takeover of the earth by the baby-killing scum occupying the highest positions in societies. We don't have to be geniuses to stop them but we must stop being selfish and reject the (alleged) benefits of their criminal enterprise because we become ONE WITH THEM and are our own worst enemy when we do so. An intelligent clarification/amplification. And those who seek to retaliate for the ghastly killings of their children will certainly not discriminate if they have the means to kill us. Those of us who ignore the evil perpetrated in our names by the alien occupation govt will not be spared. Thank you my friend.
Cyni: "I am against absurdity of so many arguments being used in the framework to "prove" 9/11 was a conspiracy. Yes indeed 9/11 was a huge conspiracy, by many people. However, there is no excuse for anyone to use arguments to buttress their view, when such arguments are utterly absurd and border on the ridiculous. All of this enhances and aids those that are guilty. It just helps muddy the already roiled water. The most egregious insult is that hundreds of people were somehow induced by the bad people to lie. Even foreigners with no connection whatsoever to anything. Doubters must use a little restraint, for in not being objective, they HAVE AIDED THE BAD PEOPLE SINCE DAY ONE." OK. When you put it that way it makes sense. In the future I should address specific points to which I may take issue. Thank you my friend.
Thank you my friend. And thank you, Sir. I truly enjoy your posts ! "The few who understand the [FEDERAL RESERVE] system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests." The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.
And I, yours!
This is my last post on this thread and on any future thread containing the same subject. I have been asked politely and not so politely, to refrain from such. Cyni...
I have been asked politely and not so politely, to refrain from such. Cyni... You know, when I took a very public chunk out of your ass a couple of years ago I was advised in private about your circumstances, and it was suggested that I should not treat you the way I would other debate partners. So, instead of attacking you here I very gently wrote what I had to say to you in PMs, and I suggested that if all you're going to do is dismiss all theories of 9/11 with the same blanket reply while offering no point by point rebuttal or a counter theory of your own, you should stop demoralizing those who wish to discuss it while pretending that you believe it was a conspiracy so complex that none of the evidence means anything and that none can unravel the truth of that terrible day. I was also told about your brother recently and sure enough, you brought him up in a shabby attempt to gain advantage in our formerly private exchanges. And now I see that not only do you not respect the confidence of PMs but it's not beneath you to manipulate the members with a pity ploy. It would appear that you are indeed challenged, perhaps beyond your capabilities by discussing this or any other subject with me. Hey, it can happen to the best of us, but, skydiving, mosh pitting and rancorous discussions where no senior discount is offered may not be for you anymore. So, if you'll pledge to avoid this topic for good then I'll pledge to avoid you, publicly and in private. Okay? ***Remember DAWGGIE, don't argue with Cyni. He's not really up to it you see...***
#125. To: Original_Intent (#123)
#126. To: tom007, *9-11* (#0)
#127. To: All (#126)
#128. To: Cynicom (#117)
#129. To: Cynicom (#121)
#130. To: Cynicom, christine, farmfriend, Shoonra, Jethro Tull, purplerose, Original_Intent (#125)
#131. To: HOUNDDAWG (#130)
As you know our military and intel machines are the conjoined weapons of choice used to effect so many of the unspeakable horrors today.
#132. To: Obnoxicated (#128)
Question is, what was that C-130 doing in a no fly zone?
#133. To: HOUNDDAWG (#130)
But on this issue you're clearly predisposed to uncharacteristic denial across the board.
#134. To: Cynicom (#36)
No more than I believe people that DID NOT SEE Flt 93 crash.
#135. To: Eric Stratton (#124)
#136. To: abraxas (#135)
#137. To: Eric Stratton (#136)
#138. To: abraxas (#137)
#139. To: Cynicom (#132)
#140. To: RickyJ (#134)
Do you believe in science? Do you think you
#141. To: Cynicom (#140)
It is much better to write without using "accusatory finger pointing yous".
#142. To: Obnoxicated (#139)
So, does he explain how a person who's never flown a plane before managed to get a commercial jet to hover inches above the ground while going over 500 mph, because that's a story I gotta hear.
#143. To: abraxas (#141)
Not really, when you make claims that all the masses who do not think as you do are ignorant.
#144. To: Cynicom (#140)
#145. To: tom007 (#0)
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#146. To: RickyJ (#144)
. Don't expect anymore replys from me.
#147. To: Cynicom, *9-11* (#132)
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"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#148. To: Cynicom (#121)
If you look at testimony of Clancy Prevost, the only interest the terrorists had was in FLYING THE AIRCRAFT, NOT IN TAKEOFF OR LANDING. He was the first to call the FBI.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#149. To: FormerLurker (#148)
#150. To: FormerLurker, All (#147)
#151. To: FormerLurker, All (#147)
#152. To: Eric Stratton (#150)
Check out the view of the horizon in the a.m.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#153. To: RickyJ (#149)
He doesn't believe in science. You can't reason with a person like that.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#154. To: Eric Stratton (#151)
PS ... I'm sure that at least one or two others would have had something on them too. But that one w/o any question whatsoever.
#155. To: Original_Intent, Eric Stratton, RickyJ, Cynicom (#154)
There is no good reason to hide and keep under lock and key all of the surveillance videos that would have shown the approach of the jet to the Pentagram ... UNLESS ... what they show contradicts the official lie and shows things that might prove it to have been a total fabrication
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#156. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#145)
The Babylonian numbering system was used by the Masonic designers of the Seal.
#157. To: FormerLurker (#152)
#158. To: Original_Intent (#154)
#159. To: noone222 (#131)
As you know our military and intel machines are the conjoined weapons of choice used to effect so many of the unspeakable horrors today.
#160. To: Cynicom (#133)
puppy: "But on this issue you're clearly predisposed to uncharacteristic denial across the board."
#161. To: HOUNDDAWG (#159)
And those who seek to retaliate for the ghastly killings of their children will certainly not discriminate if they have the means to kill us. Those of us who ignore the evil perpetrated in our names by the alien occupation govt will not be spared.
#162. To: noone222 (#161)
I truly enjoy your posts !
#163. To: All (#161)
#164. To: Cynicom (#163)
This is my last post on this thread and on any future thread containing the same subject.
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