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Title: "The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93"
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URL Source: http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/
Published: May 19, 2012
Author: http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/
Post Date: 2012-05-19 18:03:51 by tom007
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"The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93" The following comment was posted to my blog today (I do not know who the author is -- he posted semi-anonymously; so decide for yourself whether or not you believe him): "I am an Air Force veteran. I was serving at Langley AFB, Virginia on Sept. 11. (not to be confused with CIA headquarters at Langley, VA). The "Alert Squadron" of 4 F-16 Falcons also stationed at Langley AFB was scrambled AFTER the "plane" crashed into the Pentagon. Because of my position as a ground equipment mechanic, I had access to the flightline operations that day. My friends were Crew Cheifs and Weapons Loaders, among other professions on the flightline that day. One of my [unusual] duties that day was to drive a Loader (personal friend) along with a rack of live missiles (AIM-9's and AIM-120's) across the active runway to the Alert Squadron and drop them off. I was towing equipment to the flightline, so when it was time to go back and pick up the Loader (and our missile trailer) I was unable to do so, but another member of my Flight (a good friend, and later roommate) did go. According to my roommate (and I later confirmed with the Loader) the Loader was completely silent most of the trip back to our side of the base, after they crossed the active, he spoke. "They shot one down." JJ replied "WHAT?" Loader:"One of those 16's came back with one less missile than it left with" That was all. As they pulled back in to the squadron area, The loader was whisked away by his commanders for debriefing. I didn't see him for a few days, but when I did, he said he couldn't talk about it, but he confirmed that what my roommate had told me was true. The US Air Force shot down Flight 93. I haven't told this to many people. I told my parents and other family members shortly after I left the military. They didn't believe it. I figured no one else would either. I kept my mouth shut. Everyone was dedicated to the president and the country (not really) And anything that went against the Official, media delivered story was viewed as unpatriotic. I knew that I loved this country, so I kept my mouth shut. I just can't do that anymore. I know that I don't have any documents to prove it, and I have no way of knowing where the others involved are now days, so I can't prove anything. All I have is my word. and with God as my witness that is the truth."
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#12. To: Cynicom (#10)
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yup. it's obvious that bin laden, in addition to organizing the pilot training, jiggering the airport security, and dispatching mossad guys to document the event, also hired invisible silent planes and/or helicopters to distribute debris for six miles anong the airliner's path before it crashed. and nevermind that rumsfeld and that whole troop of PNAC neocons was installed (by a phony election in a state governed by another PNAC member) into the american government shortly after they admitted they needed a new pearl harbor. then their new pearl harbor happened. and everything that's happened in the ten years since has followed the PNAC blueprint as outlined in the same document that noted the need for a new pearl harbor. in those ten years since 9/11, it's become obvous that bin laden was a double agent, working for the neocons to implement their plan to achieve benevolent global hegemony by killing hundreds of thousands of people, mostly oily arabs, to steal their oil. israel has nuttin' to do with nuttin', either... and neither does peak oil.
of course, one thing has not followed the PNAC plan, and that is putin, who threw a monkey wrench into the PNAC works by repossessing russian oil from israeli russians, who fled mostly to israel once putin cracked down. russia, in the best of all possible PNAC worlds, was supposed to provide oil to america while israeli america tore up the middle east oil patch and remodeled it to israeli specifications. well, the project is still in the driver's seat, but it isnt progressing nearly as fast as had been hoped for, and it was pretty much a wild hare idea in the first place, which explains why so many people are bailing out and reverting to their default position, which is looting... of course, the longer the project drags on, the longer opportunities to loot exist... the only drawback is that knowledge of israeli and radical PNAC neocon jews' role in this catastrophe is widening, and that's probably gonna go hard on little jews... but since when did big jews give a fuck about little jews? that's what the loot's for, isnt it? ...the little people get it in the shorts, and the big jews buy refuge after they've loaded the gold in the gulfstream and flitted off... because nobody in their right mind would seek refuge in israel, the mother of bad ideas.
I have to agree with Bill on this one. For me the clincher is the physical evidence which is supported circumstantially by the eyewitness reports. Ground impacts, even at high speed, do not create a debris field that extends out 8 miles. And one of the things found out at that 8 mile point was a very heavy metal door. Not very aerodynamic and any impact which would have been powerful enough to eject it out that far would have destroyed it. That is highly anomalous.
Something blew up, whether it was flight 93 or not cannot be confirmed since no independent investigators have access to the wreckage.
God is always good!
I can find thousands of people that say they have seen aliens, are you going to believe them? I sure don't. Forget what they say, look at the evidence, no huge plane hit the Pentagon, maybe no plane at all. God is always good!
of course it was shot down. the debris field according to the government itself was 8 miles long and the engine was found over a mile away from the ''field' where it supposedly crashed. How did the engine get there, did it bounce a fucking mile before it came to a rest? Absurd. Plus, there was no plane anywhere in that field. the problem with doubters is that they are confused because they swallow any bullshit the filthy government spews. only a moron would believe the government version of how 9/11 happened. Even worse, is that flight 93 actually landed safely ACCORDING TO THE CEO OF UNITED AIRLINES, THE FBI, AND MAYOR MICHAEL WHITE, who all announced that it had landed safely that day and that all the passengers were safely evacuated. See WCPO TV report on this. All this is very very well known by anyone who even did a cursory review of the 9/11/01 info. Whatever was happened , it was not the "lets roll" nonsense peddled by hollywood in nthat silly movie flight 93. "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Another one of those, "What doesn't fit and why?" datums. Along with the BBC reporting the collapse of WTC 7 a half an hour before it occurred, and with building still standing in the background of the camera shot of the reporterette making the report. i'm willing to bet that there are lots of elites --people who have a vested interest in keeping the system alive for as long as possible-- who know what happened, and wont say anything because they'd be harming their chances to loot. there are hints in pop "literature"... i was shocked to find william gibson's "pattern recognition" in the local supermarket, because their usual stuff is the kind of thing that you'd throw across the room in disgust if you were in solitary confinement with only that one book to read. but gibson mentions "scripted CNN moments"... and future american dependence on russian oil figures in the plot... gibson started the book before 9/11.... cayce pollard's dad went missing on 9/11 while he was visiting new york but she didnt know he was there... she witnessed one of the planes hitting, and watched the coverage, and gutted her laptop so she'd no longer be able to watch "scriped CNN moments". and the plot leads her to russia, where she becomes involved with the nieces of an oil oligarch who will supposedly be important in keeping america supplied with oil. so you got to wonder how widespread knowledge is, in circles that are connected and are not deliberately kept in the dark. maybe everybody knows it's closing time
good recap.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
I doubt there even was a flight 93.
Doubters said it was a missile. When they dragged the landing gear out with heavy equipment, they had no explanation. You don't know that over 100 people SAW the airplane. All you know is that we are told that someone says that over 100 people SAW the airplane. THAT is the actual reality to be accepted. Whatever made the hole in the pentagon could obviously not have been an airliner. It's too small. If it wasn't explosives, it may have been a missile. Missiles don't have airliner landing gear. Either do bombs. So IF there was landing gear found, how did it get there? Honestly, it's disappointing to me that you would believe an airliner hit the pentagon. You almost got through that post without mentioning peak oil.
To heck with this. We know they did it and they know we know they did it. The question is what are we going to do about it? I don't think there is much we can do unless we can wake up significant amounts of people to the truth of 9/11. We alone can't bring down an empire can we? We sure can't without being organized, and any attempt at organization will be infiltrated quickly by the Mossad/CIA to defuse the revolt before it starts.
God is always good!
It's too small. There is no winning.
i forgot where in canada you are, but maybe you need to take a trip to northern alberta and observe the monkey motion those guys are going through to get oil from that sand. then you can ask yourself, "why the fuck are these assholes going to so much trouble and expense?" it's just too goddamned bad that none of you whiners can fault the logic... peak oil is serious enough, and our political system is so flawed, that peak oil is the most likely motive for their staging 9/11. we elect psychos to high government positions, psychos approved by the corporations and israel, then, remembering america's prodcuction peaked in 1970 despite the most skilled workers and most advaced techonology, these psychos lay the groundwork for their solution to peak oil. even psychopaths can learn, and what they learned was --probably from their exxon partners-- is that global oil production was due to peak, as it apparently did, seven or eight years ago. if you're a psychopath, killing a few thousand of your own people is no problem if it gives you an excuse to grab control of oil, and deprive rivals of access to oil. and if that's really no solution, the wars give you wonderful opportunities to loot... and israel was such a bad idea in the first place that you've written it off, and besides all that, you never really gave a shit about jewishness except for the fact that you could exploit the holyhoax to give yourself an exemption from criticism.
LOL, I was thinking the same thing! During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
profit I'm painfully familiar with your peak oil argument. I just don't believe it. I really don't know exactly what's up, but I don't think that's it. LOL, I was thinking the same thing! LOL we're paying attention :) maybe peak oil is a hoax, and production has been throttled to give us an excuse to... grab control of oil?!? i got to admit that they're doing a great job of faking it, what with drilling in 10,000 feet of water 200 miles offshore, and tearing up half of alberta, at horrible expense --both in terms of money and energy-- to produce a piddling amount of oil.
I see your point. I don't know. Maybe you're right. Who really knows. I'm going to sleep.
And I made no reference that there was. Learn to read.
wud... For all intent and reference, an airplane may as well be made out of paper that flies. It is the landing gear, engines and assorted dense interior that make the hole, not the thin skin. In my time I have seen two large, four engine aircraft blow up in mid air, crash and burn. One I saw hauled away a few days later on a flat bed truck, four engines, landing gear, part of the tail and assorted pieces of scrap.
Moron maybe. Shot down, no. Show me any statement by any person that says, "I shot down flight 93', or any person that said, "I ordered flight 93 shot down" or any person that says I heard the order given or any person that says I saw it, or any person that says I watched it done on radar. I would like to read it.
No more than I believe people that DID NOT SEE Flt 93 crash. They admit they were not there, saw nothing, heard nothing.
I admit, I was not there, I saw nothing. Does the government lie???? Certainly. Do they lie when they have NO CONTROL over hundreds of people involved? No. Case in point, USS Liberty. Government had total control of all persons involved, tried to contain the episode by lying,and intimidating the crew, it did not work.
Bill... Jabbing a stick into a hornets nest ALWAYS brings a swarm of very angry hornets. One can either run or wear a veil of common sense that thwarts the hornets.
how did lisa jefferson know whe was talking to todd beamer?
You are evading the issues Cyni. What is the physical evidence telling us? Doors are not ejected 8 miles from a crash impact site - unless the plane is in a hypersonic flight path and probably not even then. Engines are not ejected a mile from a crash site. The debris field from a normal crash is less than a quarter mile. We have eyewitness reports of debris raining down 8 miles out. The only way that happens is if the aircraft was already breaking up in the air. So, eyewitness reports exist of people seeing what they believe were military aircraft operating in the area. Between the debris field and the various witness reports the explanation that best seems to fit is that the aircraft was shot down. You may want to resist that conclusion, but in the end it is not my conclusion to make for you, but what does the evidence suggest? Just because a missile went missing doesn't mean it hit flight 93.
"The few who understand the [FEDERAL RESERVE] system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests." The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.
No idea. I committed nothing to memory.
we're not talking about memory... we're talking about logic. if the neocons had technology enough to fly the airplanes into those buildings, they surely had the technology to spoof phone calls from "todd beamer" to lisa jefferson... do you remember all those AEI yahoos on television commenting on 9/11? ...they're all saying, "hey, it took years to plan this operation!" how did they know it took bin laden years to plan the operation? ...because it took them years to plan the operation? and this "todd beamer/let's roll" operation went off without a hitch, didnt it? ...because it was one of those little touches that they had years to plan... ...meanwhile, the jessica lynch operation, a comparable operation with an ad hoc sort of feel to it, failed, because they improvised it, and unfortunately, jessica survived to debunk it.
So, eyewitness reports exist of people seeing what they....... believe were military...... aircraft operating in the area. OI, therein lies the problem with speculation, people honestly believe, after the fact what they saw or heard. They may well be right but they also may be wrong. There were dozens of people, military and civilian, that were watching all of this unfold on radar. To my knowledge there has not been one person that has stepped forward and acknowledged a shoot down, witnessed by them on radar, not one. Accepting a shoot down, there was no way all the civilians could have been muzzled. Not one person involved in the shoot down has ever stepped forward, not one. It is all conjecture and speculation based on what people believe.
Not logic at all, nothing but conjecture, speculation and even wishful thinking.
...during an excercise that was designed to befuddle radar operators by giving them phony bogies on their screens.
the logic says that, if neocons needed a new pearl harbor, and got into position to make their new pearl harbor happen, they made it happen.
Nonsense.
is ignorance an excuse if you're olde enough? operations northern vigilance and vigilant guardian what kind of dog do you have in this fight?
I do not respond to personal posts. Keep it impersonal please.
so cyicom is unable to explan the debris trail, he refuses to acknowledge the possibility that lisa jefferson never talked to todd beamer. he refuses to acknowledge the similarities between the todd beamer operation and jessica lynch, and he's ignorant of the simulated attack on america that was taking place on 9/11. he refuses to acknowledge that PNAC admitted they needed a new pearl harbor, and their new pearl harbor happened soon after they got into position to make it happen. he refuses to acknowledge the pattern of deception that underlies the whole 9- 11/PNAC/AEI/"war on terror" operation. why is all that?
What else is the government concealing about 9/11? Like who did it.
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#13. To: All (#12)
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#14. To: Cynicom, Bill D Berger (#10)
#15. To: tom007 (#0)
#16. To: Cynicom (#8)
For instance, over 100 people outside the Pentagon SAW the airplane, some even identified it as AA plane.
#17. To: Original_Intent, BILL D BERGER, cynicom, jethro tull (#14)
http://www.wanttoknow.info/a-plane-lands-cleveland-bomb-feared-aboard
Plane Lands In Cleveland; Bomb Feared Aboard WCPO - Cincinnati's ABC Affiliate, September 11, 2001 Posted: 2006-12-07 15:55:58 http://www.wcpo.com/specials/2001/americaattacked/news_local/story14.html
Reported by: 9News Staff, 9/11/01 11:43:57 AM. A Boeing 767 out of Boston made an emergency landing Tuesday at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport due to concerns that it may have a bomb aboard, said Mayor Michael R. White. White said the plane had been moved to a secure area of the airport, and was evacuated. United identified the plane as Flight 93. The airline did say how many people were aboard the flight. United said it was also "deeply concerned" about another flight, Flight 175, a Boeing 767, which was bound from Boston to Los Angeles. On behalf of the airline CEO James Goodwin said: "The thoughts of everyone at United are with the passengers and crew of these flights. Our prayers are also with everyone on the ground who may have been involved. "United is working with all the relevant authorities, including the FBI, to obtain further information on these flights," he said.
Note: Remember that Flight 93 reportedly crashed in Pennsylvania on 9/11, with all aboard killed. This story was posted within hours of the 9/11 attacks. Click on the link above and you will see, "This story has been removed from WCPO.com. It was a preliminary AP story, and was factually incorrect." However, using the powerful Internet Archive, you can see the original article here. Click here and you can see the article continued to be posted for all dates through June 2004, and was only removed later. How can this be?
#18. To: Artisan (#17)
Even worse, is that flight 93 actually landed safely ACCORDING TO THE CEO OF UNITED AIRLINES, THE FBI, AND MAYOR MICHAEL WHITE, who all announced that it had landed safely that day and that all the passengers were safely evacuated. See WCPO TV report on this.
#19. To: All (#13)
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#20. To: lead.and.lag (#12)
#21. To: tom007 (#0)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#22. To: Cynicom, Lod, Jethro Tull (#8)
For instance, over 100 people outside the Pentagon SAW the airplane, some even identified it as AA plane.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#23. To: lead.and.lag (#12)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#24. To: wudidiz (#21)
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#25. To: Cynicom, Jethro Tull, Lod, All, *9-11* (#22)
Whatever made the hole in the pentagon could obviously not have been an airliner.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#26. To: RickyJ (#24)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#27. To: wudidiz (#23)
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peak oil
#28. To: wudidiz (#23)
You almost got through that post without mentioning peak oil.
#29. To: lead.and.lag (#27)
"why the fuck are these assholes going to so much trouble and expense?"
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#30. To: Bill D Berger (#28)
You almost got through that post without mentioning peak oil.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#31. To: wudidiz (#29)
I really don't know exactly what's up, but I don't think that's it.
#32. To: lead.and.lag (#31)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#33. To: Bill D Berger (#11)
I see no evidence of "hysterical speculation" or "conspiracy theories" in the article I posted above.
#34. To: wudidiz (#25)
#35. To: Artisan (#17)
only a moron would believe the government version of how 9/11 happened.
#36. To: RickyJ (#16)
I can find thousands of people that say they have seen aliens, are you going to believe them?
#37. To: Original_Intent (#14)
#38. To: Bill D Berger, All (#9)
#39. To: Cynicom (#38)
common sense
#40. To: Cynicom, Artisan, Jethro Tull, all (#37)
I admit, I was not there, I saw nothing.
#41. To: tom007 (#0)
#42. To: lead.and.lag (#39)
how did lisa jefferson know whe was talking to todd beamer?
#43. To: Cynicom (#42)
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I committed nothing to memory.
#44. To: Original_Intent (#40)
So, eyewitness reports exist of people seeing what they believe were military aircraft operating in the area.
#45. To: lead.and.lag (#43)
we're not talking about memory... we're talking about logic.
#46. To: Cynicom (#44)
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watching all of this unfold on radar...
#47. To: Cynicom (#45)
wishful thinking
#48. To: lead.and.lag (#46)
..during an excercise that was designed to befuddle radar operators by giving them phoney bogies on their screens.
#49. To: Cynicom (#48)
nonsense
#50. To: lead.and.lag (#49)
#51. To: All (#49)
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#52. To: Bill D Berger (#9)
Most people would agree that under the circumstances, it was the best course of action. The point is that we are seeing clear evidence of the manipulation of information being fed to the public regarding 9/11.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" 
The people of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage." J.K. Galbraith
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