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Title: "The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93"
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URL Source: http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/
Published: May 19, 2012
Author: http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/
Post Date: 2012-05-19 18:03:51 by tom007
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Views: 3451
Comments: 164

"The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93" The following comment was posted to my blog today (I do not know who the author is -- he posted semi-anonymously; so decide for yourself whether or not you believe him):

"I am an Air Force veteran. I was serving at Langley AFB, Virginia on Sept. 11. (not to be confused with CIA headquarters at Langley, VA). The "Alert Squadron" of 4 F-16 Falcons also stationed at Langley AFB was scrambled AFTER the "plane" crashed into the Pentagon. Because of my position as a ground equipment mechanic, I had access to the flightline operations that day. My friends were Crew Cheifs and Weapons Loaders, among other professions on the flightline that day. One of my [unusual] duties that day was to drive a Loader (personal friend) along with a rack of live missiles (AIM-9's and AIM-120's) across the active runway to the Alert Squadron and drop them off. I was towing equipment to the flightline, so when it was time to go back and pick up the Loader (and our missile trailer) I was unable to do so, but another member of my Flight (a good friend, and later roommate) did go. According to my roommate (and I later confirmed with the Loader) the Loader was completely silent most of the trip back to our side of the base, after they crossed the active, he spoke. "They shot one down." JJ replied "WHAT?" Loader:"One of those 16's came back with one less missile than it left with" That was all. As they pulled back in to the squadron area, The loader was whisked away by his commanders for debriefing. I didn't see him for a few days, but when I did, he said he couldn't talk about it, but he confirmed that what my roommate had told me was true.

The US Air Force shot down Flight 93. I haven't told this to many people. I told my parents and other family members shortly after I left the military. They didn't believe it. I figured no one else would either. I kept my mouth shut. Everyone was dedicated to the president and the country (not really) And anything that went against the Official, media delivered story was viewed as unpatriotic. I knew that I loved this country, so I kept my mouth shut. I just can't do that anymore. I know that I don't have any documents to prove it, and I have no way of knowing where the others involved are now days, so I can't prove anything. All I have is my word. and with God as my witness that is the truth."

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Nonsense.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-19   22:05:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Flight 93: Proof of 9/11 Lies by the US Government and Media

An article detailing Flight 93's last minutes was briefly available at dailynews.yahoo.com on 9/11/2001. It not fit the official story of the last moments of Flight 93 and rapidly disappeared from news websites, but it can still be found at the web archive:

The following eyewitness interview indicates Flight 93 was shot down:

It was reported that a missile was heard before the crash:

Debris fell from Flight 93 nearly six miles from the crash scene...

...human remains were found miles from the crash scene...

...light debris was found miles from the crash scene...

...and the following footage proves Flight 93 did not crash in a single piece but came apart in midair and scattered over a wide area:

The military refused to rule out a shoot down on September 15, 2001...

...the Washington Envoy to Canada says Bush ordered a shoot down...

...Donald Rumsfeld said the plane was shot down...

...and in the opening remarks of a Guantanamo trial it was said the plane was shot down:

Yet the official story removes all evidence of a shoot down, specifically the phone call reporting an explosion and smoke on board the aircraft while it was in flight, and the same media that carried early reports of evidence of a shoot down now parrots the official version without question.

The important point here isn't the shoot down. Most people would agree that under the circumstances, it was the best course of action. The point is that we are seeing clear evidence of the manipulation of information being fed to the public regarding 9/11.

What else is the government concealing about 9/11?

Bill D Berger  posted on  2012-05-19   23:09:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

What else is the government concealing about 9/11?

Concealing a great deal.

Hysterical speculation and conspiracy theories enhances their lying.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-19   23:19:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I have to agree with Bill on this one. For me the clincher is the physical evidence which is supported circumstantially by the eyewitness reports. Ground impacts, even at high speed, do not create a debris field that extends out 8 miles. And one of the things found out at that 8 mile point was a very heavy metal door. Not very aerodynamic and any impact which would have been powerful enough to eject it out that far would have destroyed it. That is highly anomalous.

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-05-19   23:47:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I admit, I was not there, I saw nothing.

Does the government lie???? Certainly.

Do they lie when they have NO CONTROL over hundreds of people involved? No.

Case in point, USS Liberty. Government had total control of all persons involved, tried to contain the episode by lying,and intimidating the crew, it did not work.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-20   4:46:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I admit, I was not there, I saw nothing.

You are evading the issues Cyni.

What is the physical evidence telling us?

Doors are not ejected 8 miles from a crash impact site - unless the plane is in a hypersonic flight path and probably not even then.

Engines are not ejected a mile from a crash site.

The debris field from a normal crash is less than a quarter mile.

We have eyewitness reports of debris raining down 8 miles out. The only way that happens is if the aircraft was already breaking up in the air.

So, eyewitness reports exist of people seeing what they believe were military aircraft operating in the area.

Between the debris field and the various witness reports the explanation that best seems to fit is that the aircraft was shot down.

You may want to resist that conclusion, but in the end it is not my conclusion to make for you, but what does the evidence suggest?

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-05-20   5:24:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

So, eyewitness reports exist of people seeing what they believe were military aircraft operating in the area.

So, eyewitness reports exist of people seeing what they....... believe were military...... aircraft operating in the area.

OI, therein lies the problem with speculation, people honestly believe, after the fact what they saw or heard. They may well be right but they also may be wrong. There were dozens of people, military and civilian, that were watching all of this unfold on radar.

To my knowledge there has not been one person that has stepped forward and acknowledged a shoot down, witnessed by them on radar, not one.

Accepting a shoot down, there was no way all the civilians could have been muzzled. Not one person involved in the shoot down has ever stepped forward, not one. It is all conjecture and speculation based on what people believe.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-20   9:07:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

watching all of this unfold on radar...

...during an excercise that was designed to befuddle radar operators by giving them phony bogies on their screens.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-05-20   9:09:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

..during an excercise that was designed to befuddle radar operators by giving them phoney bogies on their screens.

Nonsense.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-20   9:12:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

nonsense

is ignorance an excuse if you're olde enough?

operations northern vigilance and vigilant guardian

what kind of dog do you have in this fight?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-05-20   9:18:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

so cyicom is unable to explan the debris trail, he refuses to acknowledge the possibility that lisa jefferson never talked to todd beamer.

he refuses to acknowledge the similarities between the todd beamer operation and jessica lynch, and he's ignorant of the simulated attack on america that was taking place on 9/11.

he refuses to acknowledge that PNAC admitted they needed a new pearl harbor, and their new pearl harbor happened soon after they got into position to make it happen.

he refuses to acknowledge the pattern of deception that underlies the whole 9- 11/PNAC/AEI/"war on terror" operation.

why is all that?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-05-20   9:26:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

the PNAC people had been planning the operation for decades... the technology matured, peak oil was looming, israel was getting in deeper and deeper shit as it was condemned for its abuse of palestinians by the human rights conference in durban just before 9/11...

surprisingly, the human rights conference was getting lots of play in the american media, but 9/11 put an end to that, and solidified israeli control of america.

so, taking all that into mind, especially the fact that these people had decades to plan, it's no wonder that the todd beamer/let's roll operation was such a success...

and by virtue of its success, the operation becomes suspect, especially when so much contradictory evidence exists, especially when the operation follows such a well-established pattern of deception.

it could have happened just like the official conspiracy theory says... but there are some pretty serious unanswered questions... and the whole atmosphere surrounding the operation and subsequent events is poisonous.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-05-20   9:53:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

. and the whole atmosphere surrounding the operation and subsequent events is poisonous.

Very true.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-20   9:56:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

but cynicom likes this particular dose of poison

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-05-20   10:02:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Interesting reading...

Witnesses......

A message to 9/11 conspiracists from someone who was at the Pentagon on 9/11. Please take it to heart.

It is likely that hundreds of people directly saw flight 77 hit the Pentagon. Dozens were interviewed by numerous news outlets: Witness List 1 – List 2 – List 3 – List 4 – List 5 – More

Pentagon witness spreadsheet (Excel file)

Many witnesses were in their cars, in a traffic jam directly in front of the Pentagon. Most of those people drove away and were not interviewed. Below is a summary of the accounts quoted in the lists and spreadsheet summary above. These are mostly accounts that appeared in mainstream media reports. Many more people probably witnessed the attack.

From the lists above, 136 people saw the plane approach the Pentagon, and

104 directly saw the plane hit the Pentagon.

6 were nearly hit by the plane in front of the Pentagon. Several others were within 100-200 feet of the impact.

26 mentioned that it was an American Airlines jet.

39 others mentioned that it was a large jet/commercial airliner.

2 described a smaller corporate jet. 1 described a "commuter plane" but didn't mention the size.

7 said it was a Boeing 757.

8 witnesses were pilots. One witness was an Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower Chief.

2 witnesses were firefighters working on their truck at the Pentagon heliport.

4 made radio calls to inform emergency services that a plane had hit the Pentagon.

10 said the plane's flaps and landing gear were not deployed (1 thought landing gear struck a light pole).

16 mentioned seeing the plane hit light poles/trees, or were next to to the poles when it happened. Another 8 mentioned the light poles being knocked down: it's unknown if they saw them hit.

42 mentioned seeing aircraft debris. 4 mentioned seeing airline seats. 3 mentioned engine parts.

2 mentioned bodies still strapped into seats.

15 mentioned smelling or contacting aviation/jet fuel.

3 had vehicles damaged by light poles or aircraft debris. Several saw other occupied vehicles damaged.

3 took photographs of the aftermath.

Many mentioned false alarm warnings of other incoming planes after the crash. One said "3-4 warnings."

And of course,

0 saw a military aircraft or missile strike the Pentagon.

0 saw a plane narrowly miss the Pentagon and fly away.

Video: pilot Aziz ElHallan saw flight 77 hit Pentagon, shows aircraft debris that landed near his car.

No plane hit the Pentagon? Tell that to Mickey Bell, Sean Boger, Omar Campo, Michael DiPaula, Frank Probst, and Jack Singleton, all of whom saw flight 77 approach and came within feet of being struck as it roared across the Pentagon lawn. Probst dove out of the way to avoid being hit by the 757's right engine, which tore through this fence and damaged the construction generator trailer at right:

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-20   10:05:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Pentagon witness spreadsheet

lol.....the Pentagon is known for truth, transparency and accuracy. The Pentagon would NEVER alter a spreadsheet.

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-20   10:22:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

lol.....the Pentagon is known for truth, transparency and accuracy. The Pentagon would NEVER alter a spreadsheet.

For sure.

So far however I have seen no one prove otherwise. A plane hit the Pentagon, they could not lie about that as too many people saw it.

Of course people that were not there and saw nothing know better and spread only the gospel.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-20   10:36:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

A plane hit the Pentagon, they could not lie about that as too many people saw it.

If what you state is true, then why doesn't the Pentagon simply release the MULTIPLE VIDEOS that would substantiate this claim? Every angle is in the possession of the Pentagon. Yet, only one video that doesn't show a plane or prove their allegations one iota is all that is released. In fact, the Pentagon went around and confiscated EVERY VIDEO from PRIVATE business surveillance and refuse to return it to the rightful owners. Now, tell me Cyni, why go to all that trouble if what they claim is the truth?

People are prone to "see" what they believe is plausible, but that doesn't mean they are accurate. And still, your "witness list" is all courtesy of the Pentagon and you agree that this source is not reliable. Also, you discount the hundreds of witnesses who DO NOT report what the Pentagon witnesses report. Are their accounts somehow less relevant than your Pentagon spreadsheet?

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-20   10:45:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

When the gubmint lies, most of the time, they love it when the masses resort to conspiracy theories, speculation and plain ignorance as it helps confuse the issue and cover the tracks that the masses have no indication of.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-20   10:59:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You offer not one iota of commentary from your "witness list" and not one video of them stating what you claim that they saw. All you offer to the discussion is a Pentagon spreadsheet summation.......yet, you discount an eye witness account of a person in the impact area at the Pentagon on that date.

We are experiencing some credibility difficulty here Cyni. You agree that the Pentagon is not reliable, yet this is all you offer to support your position. Can you do better or is repeating the Pentagon account with a nebulous spreadsheet all you got?

Here is another witness that contradicts the Pentagon spreadsheet data Pentagon account from an eye witness with a video camera, in fact he offers the video evidence of the hole in the Pentagon being way too small for a 747 and substantiates no wreckage from a plane:

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-20   11:10:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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