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Title: "The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93"
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URL Source: http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/
Published: May 19, 2012
Author: http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/
Post Date: 2012-05-19 18:03:51 by tom007
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"The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93" The following comment was posted to my blog today (I do not know who the author is -- he posted semi-anonymously; so decide for yourself whether or not you believe him):

"I am an Air Force veteran. I was serving at Langley AFB, Virginia on Sept. 11. (not to be confused with CIA headquarters at Langley, VA). The "Alert Squadron" of 4 F-16 Falcons also stationed at Langley AFB was scrambled AFTER the "plane" crashed into the Pentagon. Because of my position as a ground equipment mechanic, I had access to the flightline operations that day. My friends were Crew Cheifs and Weapons Loaders, among other professions on the flightline that day. One of my [unusual] duties that day was to drive a Loader (personal friend) along with a rack of live missiles (AIM-9's and AIM-120's) across the active runway to the Alert Squadron and drop them off. I was towing equipment to the flightline, so when it was time to go back and pick up the Loader (and our missile trailer) I was unable to do so, but another member of my Flight (a good friend, and later roommate) did go. According to my roommate (and I later confirmed with the Loader) the Loader was completely silent most of the trip back to our side of the base, after they crossed the active, he spoke. "They shot one down." JJ replied "WHAT?" Loader:"One of those 16's came back with one less missile than it left with" That was all. As they pulled back in to the squadron area, The loader was whisked away by his commanders for debriefing. I didn't see him for a few days, but when I did, he said he couldn't talk about it, but he confirmed that what my roommate had told me was true.

The US Air Force shot down Flight 93. I haven't told this to many people. I told my parents and other family members shortly after I left the military. They didn't believe it. I figured no one else would either. I kept my mouth shut. Everyone was dedicated to the president and the country (not really) And anything that went against the Official, media delivered story was viewed as unpatriotic. I knew that I loved this country, so I kept my mouth shut. I just can't do that anymore. I know that I don't have any documents to prove it, and I have no way of knowing where the others involved are now days, so I can't prove anything. All I have is my word. and with God as my witness that is the truth."

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A plane hit the Pentagon, they could not lie about that as too many people saw it.

If what you state is true, then why doesn't the Pentagon simply release the MULTIPLE VIDEOS that would substantiate this claim? Every angle is in the possession of the Pentagon. Yet, only one video that doesn't show a plane or prove their allegations one iota is all that is released. In fact, the Pentagon went around and confiscated EVERY VIDEO from PRIVATE business surveillance and refuse to return it to the rightful owners. Now, tell me Cyni, why go to all that trouble if what they claim is the truth?

People are prone to "see" what they believe is plausible, but that doesn't mean they are accurate. And still, your "witness list" is all courtesy of the Pentagon and you agree that this source is not reliable. Also, you discount the hundreds of witnesses who DO NOT report what the Pentagon witnesses report. Are their accounts somehow less relevant than your Pentagon spreadsheet?

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-20   10:45:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

and i really got to say, cynicom, that you're a dismal little prick when you whine about me attacking you after you attack me.

what is it that gives you immunity from payback?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-05-20   10:46:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

are you willing to admit that the todd beamer story fits the pattern of deception that seems to be standard operating procedure for the neocons?

how do you explain the debris trail?

Admit nothing and explain nothing. really not interested in speculative theories, prefer to go with what those involved saw and heard etc.

Yet to see or read of one person that says they saw the plane shot down. perhaps I missed something.

Hundreds saw a plane hit the Pentagon, yet no one saw a missile. Yet people not there say it was a missile. sort of an imbalance there.

Plane was shot down but no one saw it. Thin gruel there.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-20   10:51:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thin gruel

thin gruel that the plane left a debris trail for miles in its wake before it crashed.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-05-20   10:52:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

then why doesn't the Pentagon simply release the MULTIPLE VIDEOS that would substantiate this claim?

Not a clue.

Not releasing a tape does not negate what hundreds saw, or smelled. I really doubt that the gubmint got all of those people to lie and say they saw an airplane.

Sort of a contradiction.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-20   10:54:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

This gal was IN THE PENTAGON at the time......does she count as a credible witness? She says NO PLANE and she escaped the building from the hole that was way to small for a 747 to fly through.

No evidence of a plane, no jet fuel, no seats, no plane debris, nobody else in the area saw any evidence of a plane. Do you think she is included in the Pentagon spreadsheet?

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-20   10:57:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

the todd beamer story doesnt make much sense to me, from a psychological standpoint.

beamer tries to call his wife, then supposedly chats and prays for 13 minutes with a perfect stranger before deciding to "roll"... this after an attempted call to his wife is derailed to a verizon supervisor.

wouldnt any normal person be demanding to talk to his wife rather than talking to a stranger, especially once he was informed of the attacks on the wtc?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-05-20   10:58:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

When the gubmint lies, most of the time, they love it when the masses resort to conspiracy theories, speculation and plain ignorance as it helps confuse the issue and cover the tracks that the masses have no indication of.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-20   10:59:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

i mean, it's implicit in the offical conspiracy theory that todd beamer was about to commit suicide to save... whoever... at the supposed target, yet he has no last words he wants to say to his wife?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-05-20   11:05:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You offer not one iota of commentary from your "witness list" and not one video of them stating what you claim that they saw. All you offer to the discussion is a Pentagon spreadsheet summation.......yet, you discount an eye witness account of a person in the impact area at the Pentagon on that date.

We are experiencing some credibility difficulty here Cyni. You agree that the Pentagon is not reliable, yet this is all you offer to support your position. Can you do better or is repeating the Pentagon account with a nebulous spreadsheet all you got?

Here is another witness that contradicts the Pentagon spreadsheet data Pentagon account from an eye witness with a video camera, in fact he offers the video evidence of the hole in the Pentagon being way too small for a 747 and substantiates no wreckage from a plane:

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-20   11:10:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

the official conspiracy theories are so fishy that they'd make enough tuna sandwiches to feed china for the next 150 years.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-05-20   11:11:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

When the gubmint lies, most of the time, they love it when the masses resort to conspiracy theories, speculation and plain ignorance as it helps confuse the issue and cover the tracks that the masses have

No, they love it when the masses roll over and accept a Pentagon spreadsheet as evidence to what they told the masses happened. They love it even more when the same gullible masses who accept without question the storyline provided, negate the critically thinking masses who call bs on the government account.

Speculation and plain ignorance? I think that is what is required to accept the government story without question.

Tell me how a 747 went through a hole the size of a garage door?

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-20   11:16:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Where's the plane Cyni? How did it impact without breaking windows? Where are the engines? Where's that 125 foot wingspan? One hole 14-16 feet....757? Something doesn't fit here, can you tell me what it is?

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-20   11:34:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

More witnesses reporting some sort of "missile" or craft much smaller than a 757.

Lots of witnesses here Cyni.....do you think they were included in the Pentagon spreadsheet?

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-20   11:44:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

you can dish it out, but you cant take it, huh?

All Cyni dishes out is facts, figures and comments that causes intelligent and objective people to think.

I, on the other hand, will dish out anything I see fit and I see fit to tell you I think you are an asshole.

Can I take your shit? You bet I can. Four brothers taught me how to fight the good fight, so "dukes up"!!!

Phant2000  posted on  2012-05-20   11:52:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"dukes up"!!!

lol

i dont have fisticuffs with girls

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-05-20   11:56:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

All Cyni dishes out is facts, figures

I do not consider a Pentagon spread sheet to be fact or figure.......

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-20   12:04:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Where's the plane Cyni?

Ever watch a plane blow up, crash????

Not much left AB, gear, engines, odds and ends.

Plane is just a thin skin metal tube. There are hundreds of fotos on net showing the result, including the landing gear, inside the Pentagon.

In fact, the serial number on the gear was tracked back to the manufacturer, who they sold it to and what company installed it in the airplane that hit the Pentagon. That chain of events included dozens of people with no interest.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-20   12:10:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Ever watch a plane blow up, crash????

Not much left AB, gear, engines, odds and ends.

Obviously, you did not watch the videos provided for you. There is PLENTY of debris left when a place crashes as the multiple photos indicate. The Pentagon is the outlier, not the norm.

Blow up? How did the plane blow up Cyni?

Again, how did a 757 fit through a 16 foot hole?

Why do you not substantiate any of your data points? If it is true, it should be easy enough to do. I've provided you eye witness accounts, testimony of pilots, photos of multiple plane crashed depicted the debris field, basic physics data, ground effect, flight patterns etc. Can you not do the same?

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-20   12:16:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Another eye witness......"It was like a cruise missile with wings..."

Let's see here, could a cruise missile fit into a 16 foot hole? Why, yes it could. Could a 757 fit into a 16 foot hole? No, not possible.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-20   12:20:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Blow up? How did the plane blow up Cyni?

Again, how did a 757 fit through a 16 foot hole?

Engine fire on takeoff.

Skin of all aircraft is very very thin, very light density.

As photos showed the insides of the aircraft did in fact enter the Pentagon and there were numerous people that saw bodies still strapped in their seats.

Those were from firemen that had run for their lives as it was coming directly at them.

The firemen were there, they saw a plane coming and ran.

They were there.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-20   12:26:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I do not consider a Pentagon spread sheet to be fact or figure.......

Everyone should question anything government presents for proof of anything else. However, given Cyni's knowledge of how certain governmental agencies work, I will accept what he refers to as much more factual than a missile into the Pentagon on 9/11 or a military plane shooting down the flight in PA.

I have a lifelong friend who worked for the Pentagon until she retired this year who found herself in both D.C. and Langley every week. She was supposed to have been in the very wing of the Pentagon that was hit on 9/11, but because of three members of the committee meeting on that day being located in a Defense Department office in Alexandria, VA, she changed the meeting to that location. Therefore, she saw the remains of what happened within hours of the occurrence. I will take her word of what occurred, what remained and what she personally observed over any conspiracy theorist.

Phant2000  posted on  2012-05-20   12:27:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

he was supposed to have been in the very wing of the Pentagon that was hit

If she had been there and survived, Cyni would dismiss her eye witness account if it didn't correlate with the government storyline......that's what he did with the gal's testimony I posted.

This lady saw it and walked out of the 16 foot hole that was supposed to have been made by a 44 foot tall 757. How does a 757 fit through a 16 foot hold Phant? Are you going to ignore this basic question like Cyni does?

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-20   12:31:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Engine fire on takeoff.

As photos showed

lol.....the plane that was to have hit the Pentagon had been in the air for hours Cyni.

Show me your photos as I have never seen them.

Fireman have provided all sorts of no debris testimony, no burning of office equipment, no burning of books......etc. It is in the video I posted. Why are your firemen, with no actual testimony or video provided for review, somehow more relevant that the actual testimony and videos I have provided for you? I haven't seen one fireman account to substantiate your claims......not one.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-20   12:35:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I will take her word of what occurred, what remained and what she personally observed over any conspiracy theorist.

One has to sit back and view the entire conspiracy to see that it would be impossible for the government to encourage hundreds of people to lie and never tell the truth.

Some of the witnesses at the Pentagon were foreigners that just happened to be in the country on vacation. How on earth did the government get them to lie, that they saw an airplane, that is what they said they saw.

I will accept the word of the firemen that ran for their lives and were the first ones to see inside.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-20   12:35:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If she had been there and survived, Cyni would dismiss her eye witness account if it didn't correlate with the government storyline......that's what he did with the gal's testimony I posted.

My first reaction was that you often find different explanations for the same event from all those who witnessed or endured the event. However, I have passed what you posted on to my friend and await her response. I will share her comments with you when I receive them.

Phant2000  posted on  2012-05-20   12:37:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I will accept the word of the firemen that ran for their lives and were the first ones to see inside.

When are you going to post "the word of the firemen" for the lot of us? Or is this like all those Pentagon video tapes that are "classified" and not for public view?

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-20   12:38:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

My first reaction was that you often find different explanations

I would like an explanation for two salient questions.

How does a 757 fit into a 16 foot hole?

Where did the 125 feet of wingspan go? Why wasn't the building damaged 125 feet across and 44 feet into the air?

The 16 foot hole was evident for 45 minutes after impact prior to the larger building collapse. This is a fact. People exited the Pentagon through this hole. There is ample video coverage of this hole. Where is the 757?

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-20   12:45:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

When are you going to post "the word of the firemen" for the lot of us? Or is this like all those Pentagon video tapes that are "classified" and not for public view?

AB...

Here is but one reference with photos taken at the time of the incident

It will take some time to read the entire material.

Photos of the firemen and their testimony.

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/911pentagonflight77evidencesummary

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-20   12:49:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Here is but one reference with photos taken at the time of the incident

Numerous photos of the 16 foot hole that was the only hole evident for over 40 minutes.

Again, how does a 757 fit into a 16 foot hole? Where did the 125 feet of wingspan go and why didn't it damage the building? A 757 is 44 feet tall, Cyni. This is a fact.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-20   12:52:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Numerous photos of the 16 foot hole that was the only hole evident for over 40 minutes.

Again, how does a 757 fit into a 16 foot hole? Where did the 125 feet of wingspan go and why didn't it damage the building? A 757 is 44 feet tall, Cyni. This is a fact.

Don't forget about that amazing Pentagon lawn that can take a 757 flying a foot or two over it and remain in perfect condition. The landscape crew at the Pentagon is second to none! ;)

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2012-05-20   12:59:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Again, how does a 757 fit into a 16 foot hole? Where did the 125 feet of wingspan go and why didn't it damage the building? A 757 is 44 feet tall, Cyni. This is a fact.

You just read the testimony of men that were there, ran for their lives and were the first responders to see bodies strapped in their seats once the fire was out.

Again AB, an airplane, including wings and tail are thin skinned, hollow tubes of low density that have little impact on very dense, thick brick, concrete and metal walls.

Take time to look at the thickness of the wall, which I is suspect would be two feet. The aircraft is lightweight aluminum less than a quarter inch thick.

Take a straw, jam it into the wall see what happens, take a spike, jam it into a wall, see what happens.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-20   13:07:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You just read the testimony

Again AB, an airplane, including wings and tail are thin skinned, hollow tubes of low density that have little impact on very dense, thick brick, concrete and metal walls.

take a spike, jam it into a wall, see what happens.

I'm waiting for you to provide this testimony. Where is it?

Again, you have a mass traveling at maximum speed impacting a building......125 feet across and 44 feet high. HOW DOES IT ONLY MAKE A 16 FOOT HOLE? This is simple physics to which you are tap dancing around. The windows in the building were INTACT for crying out loud. The lawn is PRISTINE. The hole is 16 feet!

Wall thickness is irrelevant.......would a plane break a window or not? A spike leaves a hole in the wall the same diameter as the spike. Yet, you are claiming a 757 shrinks from 44 feet in height and 125 feet across to accommodate a 16 feet hole and does so without breaking a window! That makes no sense whatsoever.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-20   13:15:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Again, how does a 757 fit into a 16 foot hole?

AB...

Just had a PM requesting where the aircraft and people went to if a missile hit the Pentagon.

One explanation was the actual aircraft was remotely controlled out over the Atlantic and ditched.

I did not put much faith in that.

Another said the plane and people landed in Mexico, never to be seen again.

Difficult to make it disappear, unless it crashes and burns, that is the easiest way.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-20   13:15:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Wall thickness is irrelevant

You cannot mean that.

If you ever watch TV you must have seen video of aircraft and missiles being flown into solid reinforced concrete blocks.

It is in slow motion, watch what happens to the aircraft.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-20   13:19:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I have to have my lunch and a senior nap.

Yall play nice while I am gone.

Cyni...

Cynicom  posted on  2012-05-20   13:21:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Watch what a plane hitting a building looks like........no shrinkage!

Note that the hole is equivalent to the plane. Wing marks penetrate the building. Landing gear accounted for. Two stories gone from the building....yet the building doesn't collapse and steel doesn't melt.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-20   13:25:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Disposing of a half load of people on a 757 would be very difficult for our government. /sarc

Not sure where the 757 went Cyni.....what I have no doubt of is that the 757 did not hit the Pentagon with an impact hole of 16 feet without the 125 feet of wingspan breaking a window or the 44 feet in height making an impact or disrupting the Pentalawn. This I know for certain.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-20   13:36:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The problem I have with the Pentagon attack isn't about what hit the building, but how some less than novice pilots managed to perform a stunt that any legit pilot could only fantasize of pulling off. I have an uncle who was a Lt. Col. in the Marines that flew fighter jets for 12 years and he laughed at the notion that a couple of guys who weren't capable of piloting a piper cub could do what was done that day in a commerciaql jet.

Obnoxicated  posted on  2012-05-20   14:01:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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