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Title: "The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93"
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URL Source: http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/
Published: May 19, 2012
Author: http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/
Post Date: 2012-05-19 18:03:51 by tom007
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"The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93" The following comment was posted to my blog today (I do not know who the author is -- he posted semi-anonymously; so decide for yourself whether or not you believe him): "I am an Air Force veteran. I was serving at Langley AFB, Virginia on Sept. 11. (not to be confused with CIA headquarters at Langley, VA). The "Alert Squadron" of 4 F-16 Falcons also stationed at Langley AFB was scrambled AFTER the "plane" crashed into the Pentagon. Because of my position as a ground equipment mechanic, I had access to the flightline operations that day. My friends were Crew Cheifs and Weapons Loaders, among other professions on the flightline that day. One of my [unusual] duties that day was to drive a Loader (personal friend) along with a rack of live missiles (AIM-9's and AIM-120's) across the active runway to the Alert Squadron and drop them off. I was towing equipment to the flightline, so when it was time to go back and pick up the Loader (and our missile trailer) I was unable to do so, but another member of my Flight (a good friend, and later roommate) did go. According to my roommate (and I later confirmed with the Loader) the Loader was completely silent most of the trip back to our side of the base, after they crossed the active, he spoke. "They shot one down." JJ replied "WHAT?" Loader:"One of those 16's came back with one less missile than it left with" That was all. As they pulled back in to the squadron area, The loader was whisked away by his commanders for debriefing. I didn't see him for a few days, but when I did, he said he couldn't talk about it, but he confirmed that what my roommate had told me was true. The US Air Force shot down Flight 93. I haven't told this to many people. I told my parents and other family members shortly after I left the military. They didn't believe it. I figured no one else would either. I kept my mouth shut. Everyone was dedicated to the president and the country (not really) And anything that went against the Official, media delivered story was viewed as unpatriotic. I knew that I loved this country, so I kept my mouth shut. I just can't do that anymore. I know that I don't have any documents to prove it, and I have no way of knowing where the others involved are now days, so I can't prove anything. All I have is my word. and with God as my witness that is the truth."
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#54. To: tom007 (#52)
Tom... Want to hear my take on who did it????
This is true. Boy, did you ever stir up trouble Cyni :P
the PNAC people had been planning the operation for decades... the technology matured, peak oil was looming, israel was getting in deeper and deeper shit as it was condemned for its abuse of palestinians by the human rights conference in durban just before 9/11... surprisingly, the human rights conference was getting lots of play in the american media, but 9/11 put an end to that, and solidified israeli control of america. so, taking all that into mind, especially the fact that these people had decades to plan, it's no wonder that the todd beamer/let's roll operation was such a success... and by virtue of its success, the operation becomes suspect, especially when so much contradictory evidence exists, especially when the operation follows such a well-established pattern of deception. it could have happened just like the official conspiracy theory says... but there are some pretty serious unanswered questions... and the whole atmosphere surrounding the operation and subsequent events is poisonous.
Very true.
but cynicom likes this particular dose of poison
Interesting reading... Witnesses...... A message to 9/11 conspiracists from someone who was at the Pentagon on 9/11. Please take it to heart. It is likely that hundreds of people directly saw flight 77 hit the Pentagon. Dozens were interviewed by numerous news outlets: Witness List 1 – List 2 – List 3 – List 4 – List 5 – More Pentagon witness spreadsheet (Excel file) Many witnesses were in their cars, in a traffic jam directly in front of the Pentagon. Most of those people drove away and were not interviewed. Below is a summary of the accounts quoted in the lists and spreadsheet summary above. These are mostly accounts that appeared in mainstream media reports. Many more people probably witnessed the attack. From the lists above, 136 people saw the plane approach the Pentagon, and 104 directly saw the plane hit the Pentagon. 6 were nearly hit by the plane in front of the Pentagon. Several others were within 100-200 feet of the impact. 26 mentioned that it was an American Airlines jet. 39 others mentioned that it was a large jet/commercial airliner. 2 described a smaller corporate jet. 1 described a "commuter plane" but didn't mention the size. 7 said it was a Boeing 757. 8 witnesses were pilots. One witness was an Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower Chief. 2 witnesses were firefighters working on their truck at the Pentagon heliport. 4 made radio calls to inform emergency services that a plane had hit the Pentagon. 10 said the plane's flaps and landing gear were not deployed (1 thought landing gear struck a light pole). 16 mentioned seeing the plane hit light poles/trees, or were next to to the poles when it happened. Another 8 mentioned the light poles being knocked down: it's unknown if they saw them hit. 42 mentioned seeing aircraft debris. 4 mentioned seeing airline seats. 3 mentioned engine parts. 2 mentioned bodies still strapped into seats. 15 mentioned smelling or contacting aviation/jet fuel. 3 had vehicles damaged by light poles or aircraft debris. Several saw other occupied vehicles damaged. 3 took photographs of the aftermath. Many mentioned false alarm warnings of other incoming planes after the crash. One said "3-4 warnings." And of course, 0 saw a military aircraft or missile strike the Pentagon. 0 saw a plane narrowly miss the Pentagon and fly away. Video: pilot Aziz ElHallan saw flight 77 hit Pentagon, shows aircraft debris that landed near his car. No plane hit the Pentagon? Tell that to Mickey Bell, Sean Boger, Omar Campo, Michael DiPaula, Frank Probst, and Jack Singleton, all of whom saw flight 77 approach and came within feet of being struck as it roared across the Pentagon lawn. Probst dove out of the way to avoid being hit by the 757's right engine, which tore through this fence and damaged the construction generator trailer at right:
cynicom seems to think he's on more solid ground when he confirms the official conspiracy theory of the pentagon strike. maybe he's given up on the pennsylvania crash/shootdown or whatever it was.
Can we please keep on the subject, not personal attacking??? If you have time, this is a short video done by the pilot of the AC130 that was in the area.''He was there, he saw it, he reported and it and it is on tape.
you can dish it out, but you cant take it, huh? poor poor baby cynicom... you can attack me, because you're a holyhoax survivor, but i cant attack you back. i know how the game is played.
When a man has an empty quiver it always shows, for they turn to personal attacks.
lol.....the Pentagon is known for truth, transparency and accuracy. The Pentagon would NEVER alter a spreadsheet. " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
which is why you attack me, but cant refute my arguments. meanwhile, arguing about these details is pointless... the facts remain... PNAC, spawned by the AEI, who are jewish neocons allied with the likud party of israel, said they needed a new pearl harbor. they were then installed into positions from which they could make their new pearl harbor happen, then their new pearl harbor happened... and the official conspiracy theory explaining 9/11 and subsequent events is so full of holes that you got to be an idiot to really believe it... but it's a plan to keep the system alive for a while longer, so lots of people give lip service to the official theoryeven if they know it's a crock, because they want to deny reality as long as possible. with any luck at all, we can prolong the agony until we all get rich enough to buy refuge once the shit hits the fan.
For sure. So far however I have seen no one prove otherwise. A plane hit the Pentagon, they could not lie about that as too many people saw it. Of course people that were not there and saw nothing know better and spread only the gospel.
I am willing to talk with anyone that was there that day and saw a missile at the Pentagon, or anyone that saw the shoot down in Pa. No one here claims such.
are you willing to admit that the todd beamer story fits the pattern of deception that seems to be standard operating procedure for the neocons? how do you explain the debris trail? or are we all being victimized by propaganda and disinformation that's designed to confuse us and set us at each other's throats? who would benefit from such a campaign?
If what you state is true, then why doesn't the Pentagon simply release the MULTIPLE VIDEOS that would substantiate this claim? Every angle is in the possession of the Pentagon. Yet, only one video that doesn't show a plane or prove their allegations one iota is all that is released. In fact, the Pentagon went around and confiscated EVERY VIDEO from PRIVATE business surveillance and refuse to return it to the rightful owners. Now, tell me Cyni, why go to all that trouble if what they claim is the truth? People are prone to "see" what they believe is plausible, but that doesn't mean they are accurate. And still, your "witness list" is all courtesy of the Pentagon and you agree that this source is not reliable. Also, you discount the hundreds of witnesses who DO NOT report what the Pentagon witnesses report. Are their accounts somehow less relevant than your Pentagon spreadsheet? " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
and i really got to say, cynicom, that you're a dismal little prick when you whine about me attacking you after you attack me. what is it that gives you immunity from payback?
how do you explain the debris trail? Admit nothing and explain nothing. really not interested in speculative theories, prefer to go with what those involved saw and heard etc. Yet to see or read of one person that says they saw the plane shot down. perhaps I missed something. Hundreds saw a plane hit the Pentagon, yet no one saw a missile. Yet people not there say it was a missile. sort of an imbalance there. Plane was shot down but no one saw it. Thin gruel there.
thin gruel that the plane left a debris trail for miles in its wake before it crashed.
Not a clue. Not releasing a tape does not negate what hundreds saw, or smelled. I really doubt that the gubmint got all of those people to lie and say they saw an airplane. Sort of a contradiction.
This gal was IN THE PENTAGON at the time......does she count as a credible witness? She says NO PLANE and she escaped the building from the hole that was way to small for a 747 to fly through. No evidence of a plane, no jet fuel, no seats, no plane debris, nobody else in the area saw any evidence of a plane. Do you think she is included in the Pentagon spreadsheet? " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
the todd beamer story doesnt make much sense to me, from a psychological standpoint. beamer tries to call his wife, then supposedly chats and prays for 13 minutes with a perfect stranger before deciding to "roll"... this after an attempted call to his wife is derailed to a verizon supervisor. wouldnt any normal person be demanding to talk to his wife rather than talking to a stranger, especially once he was informed of the attacks on the wtc?
When the gubmint lies, most of the time, they love it when the masses resort to conspiracy theories, speculation and plain ignorance as it helps confuse the issue and cover the tracks that the masses have no indication of.
i mean, it's implicit in the offical conspiracy theory that todd beamer was about to commit suicide to save... whoever... at the supposed target, yet he has no last words he wants to say to his wife?
You offer not one iota of commentary from your "witness list" and not one video of them stating what you claim that they saw. All you offer to the discussion is a Pentagon spreadsheet summation.......yet, you discount an eye witness account of a person in the impact area at the Pentagon on that date. We are experiencing some credibility difficulty here Cyni. You agree that the Pentagon is not reliable, yet this is all you offer to support your position. Can you do better or is repeating the Pentagon account with a nebulous spreadsheet all you got? Here is another witness that contradicts the Pentagon spreadsheet data Pentagon account from an eye witness with a video camera, in fact he offers the video evidence of the hole in the Pentagon being way too small for a 747 and substantiates no wreckage from a plane: " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
the official conspiracy theories are so fishy that they'd make enough tuna sandwiches to feed china for the next 150 years.
No, they love it when the masses roll over and accept a Pentagon spreadsheet as evidence to what they told the masses happened. They love it even more when the same gullible masses who accept without question the storyline provided, negate the critically thinking masses who call bs on the government account. Speculation and plain ignorance? I think that is what is required to accept the government story without question. Tell me how a 747 went through a hole the size of a garage door? " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Where's the plane Cyni? How did it impact without breaking windows? Where are the engines? Where's that 125 foot wingspan? One hole 14-16 feet....757? Something doesn't fit here, can you tell me what it is? " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
More witnesses reporting some sort of "missile" or craft much smaller than a 757. Lots of witnesses here Cyni.....do you think they were included in the Pentagon spreadsheet? " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
All Cyni dishes out is facts, figures and comments that causes intelligent and objective people to think. I, on the other hand, will dish out anything I see fit and I see fit to tell you I think you are an asshole. Can I take your shit? You bet I can. Four brothers taught me how to fight the good fight, so "dukes up"!!!
lol i dont have fisticuffs with girls
I do not consider a Pentagon spread sheet to be fact or figure....... " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Ever watch a plane blow up, crash???? Not much left AB, gear, engines, odds and ends. Plane is just a thin skin metal tube. There are hundreds of fotos on net showing the result, including the landing gear, inside the Pentagon. In fact, the serial number on the gear was tracked back to the manufacturer, who they sold it to and what company installed it in the airplane that hit the Pentagon. That chain of events included dozens of people with no interest.
Not much left AB, gear, engines, odds and ends. Obviously, you did not watch the videos provided for you. There is PLENTY of debris left when a place crashes as the multiple photos indicate. The Pentagon is the outlier, not the norm. Blow up? How did the plane blow up Cyni? Again, how did a 757 fit through a 16 foot hole? Why do you not substantiate any of your data points? If it is true, it should be easy enough to do. I've provided you eye witness accounts, testimony of pilots, photos of multiple plane crashed depicted the debris field, basic physics data, ground effect, flight patterns etc. Can you not do the same? " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Another eye witness......"It was like a cruise missile with wings..." Let's see here, could a cruise missile fit into a 16 foot hole? Why, yes it could. Could a 757 fit into a 16 foot hole? No, not possible. " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Again, how did a 757 fit through a 16 foot hole? Engine fire on takeoff. Skin of all aircraft is very very thin, very light density. As photos showed the insides of the aircraft did in fact enter the Pentagon and there were numerous people that saw bodies still strapped in their seats. Those were from firemen that had run for their lives as it was coming directly at them. The firemen were there, they saw a plane coming and ran. They were there.
Everyone should question anything government presents for proof of anything else. However, given Cyni's knowledge of how certain governmental agencies work, I will accept what he refers to as much more factual than a missile into the Pentagon on 9/11 or a military plane shooting down the flight in PA. I have a lifelong friend who worked for the Pentagon until she retired this year who found herself in both D.C. and Langley every week. She was supposed to have been in the very wing of the Pentagon that was hit on 9/11, but because of three members of the committee meeting on that day being located in a Defense Department office in Alexandria, VA, she changed the meeting to that location. Therefore, she saw the remains of what happened within hours of the occurrence. I will take her word of what occurred, what remained and what she personally observed over any conspiracy theorist.
If she had been there and survived, Cyni would dismiss her eye witness account if it didn't correlate with the government storyline......that's what he did with the gal's testimony I posted. This lady saw it and walked out of the 16 foot hole that was supposed to have been made by a 44 foot tall 757. How does a 757 fit through a 16 foot hold Phant? Are you going to ignore this basic question like Cyni does? " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
As photos showed lol.....the plane that was to have hit the Pentagon had been in the air for hours Cyni. Show me your photos as I have never seen them. Fireman have provided all sorts of no debris testimony, no burning of office equipment, no burning of books......etc. It is in the video I posted. Why are your firemen, with no actual testimony or video provided for review, somehow more relevant that the actual testimony and videos I have provided for you? I haven't seen one fireman account to substantiate your claims......not one. " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
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#55. To: noone222 (#41)
Just because a missile went missing doesn't mean it hit flight 93.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" 
The people of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage." J.K. Galbraith
#56. To: Cynicom (#54)
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#58. To: lead.and.lag (#57)
. and the whole atmosphere surrounding the operation and subsequent events is poisonous.
#59. To: Cynicom (#58)
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#60. To: lead.and.lag, Jethro Tull, all (#59)
#61. To: Cynicom (#60)
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#63. To: Cynicom (#62)
Can we please keep on the subject, not personal attacking???
#64. To: lead.and.lag (#63)
#65. To: Cynicom (#60)
Pentagon witness spreadsheet
#66. To: Cynicom (#64)
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When a man has an empty quiver it always shows, for they turn to personal attacks.
#67. To: abraxas (#65)
lol.....the Pentagon is known for truth, transparency and accuracy. The Pentagon would NEVER alter a spreadsheet.
#68. To: lead.and.lag (#66)
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#70. To: Cynicom (#67)
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A plane hit the Pentagon, they could not lie about that as too many people saw it.
#71. To: Cynicom (#68)
#72. To: lead.and.lag (#69)
are you willing to admit that the todd beamer story fits the pattern of deception that seems to be standard operating procedure for the neocons?
#73. To: Cynicom (#72)
Thin gruel
#74. To: abraxas (#70)
then why doesn't the Pentagon simply release the MULTIPLE VIDEOS that would substantiate this claim?
#75. To: Cynicom (#72)
#76. To: All (#73)
#77. To: abraxas (#70)
#78. To: All (#76)
#79. To: Cynicom (#77)
#80. To: All (#78)
#81. To: Cynicom (#77)
When the gubmint lies, most of the time, they love it when the masses resort to conspiracy theories, speculation and plain ignorance as it helps confuse the issue and cover the tracks that the masses have
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#83. To: Cynicom (#77)
#84. To: lead.and.lag (#63)
you can dish it out, but you cant take it, huh?
#85. To: Phant2000 (#84)
"dukes up"!!!
#86. To: Phant2000 (#84)
All Cyni dishes out is facts, figures
#87. To: abraxas (#82)
Where's the plane Cyni?
#88. To: Cynicom (#87)
Ever watch a plane blow up, crash????
#89. To: Cynicom (#87)
#90. To: abraxas (#88)
Blow up? How did the plane blow up Cyni?
#91. To: abraxas (#86)
I do not consider a Pentagon spread sheet to be fact or figure.......
#92. To: Phant2000, Cynicom (#91)
he was supposed to have been in the very wing of the Pentagon that was hit
#93. To: Cynicom (#90)
Engine fire on takeoff.
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