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Title: Credit score scam
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Published: May 20, 2012
Author: me
Post Date: 2012-05-20 10:33:21 by F.A. Hayek Fan
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Comments: 31

About four years ago my baby brother was laid off from his job and had trouble finding another one in his field, so he took the first job he could get and went from 70k a year down to about $11.00 an hour.

It took him about a year to find a job in his career field and get back up to his previous salary. In that year though he lost his house and got behind on all of his credit card bills to the point that he was forced to go to one of those consumer credit places in order to work out a payment plan. He did keep up on his two car payments though.

To make a long story short, he completely paid off all of the bills he was behind on about 18 months ago. In the meantime his wife finished up her degree and the two of them now make a combined income of about 130k a year. He got rid of his two credit cards as he paid them off. And here's the crux of his problem.

He recently tried purchasing a new (used) car. It cost 20k. They had 10k saved up. He was turned down. Even though he paid off all of his bills, had 50% of the cost of the vehicle, and has a combined income of about 130k, he was turned down due to a bad credit rating. He knew his credit rating was lower than it was but assumed that it had been climbing back up as he paid off his debt.

Nope. Come to find out that as long as he doesn't obtain and use a couple of credit cards on a regular basis his credit rating will not go up. According to "the experts" not even having a revolving loan at a bank will help. So basically this whole credit score industry is a scam to try and force people to get themselves hooked on credit cards.

So my brother said screw it and bought a 10k car with cash and is now taking the payments he would have made on the new car and putting in the savings account a long with other some other money and will save up until he has enough to pay cash.

Anyway, I'd hate to see what my credit rating is because I got rid of my cc's about ten years ago and pay cash for everything. The whole credit rating industry is a scam created to try and force people to get credit cards knowing that a certain percentage of them will be irresponsible or will rely on them in "emergency" situations in order to keep their heads above water.

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#1. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, 4 (#0)

AnnualCreditReport.com is the only .gov authorized site to get your free, once/year credit report.

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Lod  posted on  2012-05-20   12:39:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#0)

So basically this whole credit score industry is a scam to try and force people to get themselves hooked on credit cards

and a lot of employers now check your credit before they hire you.


Does anyone honestly believe that the global elites whose wealth and power depend on manipulation of the global chess board would leave something like the Presidency up to chance?

farmfriend  posted on  2012-05-20   12:57:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: farmfriend (#2)

and a lot of employers now check your credit before they hire you.

These days, who can blame them?

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2012-05-20   13:32:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Lod (#3)

These days, who can blame them?

It's a bad way to judge people.


Does anyone honestly believe that the global elites whose wealth and power depend on manipulation of the global chess board would leave something like the Presidency up to chance?

farmfriend  posted on  2012-05-20   14:50:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#0)

Credit is more expensive than most people realize. Aside from interest fees that are charged the items purchased would likely be far less expensive if cash were required and credit unavailable.

I agree with your analysis that credit is practically "forced" upon people these days. It requires a little discipline to escape the credit system.

"The few who understand the [FEDERAL RESERVE] system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests."

The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.

noone222  posted on  2012-05-20   15:35:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: farmfriend, Lod (#4)

These days, who can blame them?

It's a bad way to judge people.

Agreed. I have a horrible credit score because I never, well rarely, buy on credit. It is a Catch-22. If you don't use credit then you can't get credit. People used to call that responsible.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-05-20   15:38:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Original_Intent (#6)

don't use credit then you can't get credit.

My mom's credit card company (through her credit union where she's been member forever with large cash account) reduced her available credit because of her always paying total bill on-time.

CadetD  posted on  2012-05-20   15:45:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#0)

I gave up my credit cars years ago. I don't care about my credit score. I don't buy news cars, which are a scam. I buy everything cash.

I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.

Turtle  posted on  2012-05-20   15:49:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: CadetD (#7)

...reduced her available credit because of her always paying total bill on-time.

I await that shoe dropping.

A--holes.

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Lod  posted on  2012-05-20   16:11:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Lod (#9)

...reduced her available credit because of her always paying total bill on-time.

I await that shoe dropping.

I'm waiting for the banks to start charging you for having a savings account.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
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Esso  posted on  2012-05-20   16:21:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: noone222 (#5) (Edited)

It requires a little discipline to escape the credit system.

Maybe at first, but having quit the credit thing ten or more years ago I find it second nature now. I have a debit card that is attached to my checking account and either use that or pay cash outright. I used to have a credit card and a revolving account with my credit union for my businesses, but since I sold them I don't even have that. I used to never buy a car that costs more than 10k but nowadays a nice 10k car has 100k+ miles on it so I'm going to up that amount to 15 or 20k in order to get a nice one with 30-50k.

I've been trying to get him (my brother) to get rid of those damned credit cards for years but it's like an addiction. I'm glad he broke it. I just hope he stays away from them.

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F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2012-05-20   17:03:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, car buyers, 4 (#11)

CarGurus.com is what I used to help find my new/used ride.

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Lod  posted on  2012-05-20   17:46:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, noone222 (#11)

There was a neat book in the last of the big "Whole Earth Catalogs" called "Drive It Till It Drops". The author advocated buying used cars costing no more than $1500 (in 1983 dollars - so about $3,000 now) and then putting nothing into it other than oil changes, minor repairs, and tires and then just driving it till it wouldn't go any further and then scrapping it to buy another. He claimed that in the long run it was a lot cheaper. Although I think having an older car without electronic ignition is advisable in the current political climate. No one can turn off your carburator by remote control or kill it with an EMP pulse.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-05-20   18:20:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: CadetD (#7)

don't use credit then you can't get credit.

My mom's credit card company (through her credit union where she's been member forever with large cash account) reduced her available credit because of her always paying total bill on-time.

They can't make any money off her if she does not carry a balance and let them charge her interest. That's why they have credit card - to make interest off the user. So, people who pay their bill off on time actually cost them money if it is a no fee card. My heart fairly bleeds for them. Can you hear me crying? ;-)

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-05-20   18:22:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Esso (#10)

I'm waiting for the banks to start charging you for having a savings account.

It costs money to store real money.

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Searching... searching... searching
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Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-05-20   18:27:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Original_Intent (#13)

There was a neat book in the last of the big "Whole Earth Catalogs" called "Drive It Till It Drops". The author advocated buying used cars costing no more than $1500 (in 1983 dollars - so about $3,000 now) and then putting nothing into it other than oil changes, minor repairs, and tires and then just driving it till it wouldn't go any further and then scrapping it to buy another. He claimed that in the long run it was a lot cheaper.

He may be right about it being cheaper however, after looking at the cars at that price on autotrader.com, I wouldn't want to drive any of them. They are beyond junk. I'm not into the old status symbol thing but at the same time I have no desire to drive something that makes me look like I'm a lifelong alcoholic or drug fiend whose one step away from skid row either.

I like my system. I pay cash for a nice car with 30-50k on it and drive it until it until it needs more than 2k or work done on it. So far they've lasted between 8-10 years and have anywhere from 200-250k on them.

Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown

Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2012-05-20   18:41:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Lod (#12)

CarGurus.com is what I used to help find my new/used ride.

I'll check it out. I knew about autotrader.com but never hear of this site.

Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown

Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2012-05-20   18:42:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Original_Intent, lod (#13)

i like the idea of driving a car until it drops, but i like new cars. I dont like driving someone elses junk. who knows where the car's been or whats wrong with it. Only one time did i decide to buy a used car, after my previous one i'd bought new had nearly 500k miles on it (got my use out of that one!) so i bought this 4 year old car, and turns out it had MOLD inside of the ac system. i got so sick i ended up in the hospital. it was one of the most horrible experiences ive ever had. i had paid most of it in cash too. remember a year or so ago christine posted a similar story, they'd bought some used car and had some horrible problem with some substance permeating it.

screw all that. people claim that used junk is better? that is crazy. You know, we deserve nice things and regular new cars. That is how i grew up and i've never, nor will i, buy a used POS again. with a new car, its yours, and you know everything about it and it is clean and in good condition.

after my bad experience i learned everything there is to know about used car salesman and all the literal crimes and unethical tricks theat both new and used dealers commit against consumers. That is a very involved subject. For over 10 years now, I use edmunds.com which is a respected consumer site and i get the true dealer cost, of the car and each feature you want. you choose what you want, get the price. of course some profit for the seller is included. there is nothing wrong with marginal profit, no one runs a business for free. Then you figure in all rebates, incentives, etc. edmunds does not sell cars or broker cars at all. theyre simply a free informational site. then, i call the fleet manager on the phone, tell him how much he will get, (its always many thousands less than the phony 'sticker' price which anyone would be crazy to pay). I go down there and pick it up. if the fleet manager doesnt want the sale, there are 100 dealers within 20 minutes that will jump at the chance.

i have been very happy with that system and recommend it to all. An informed consumer is one which has the upper hand.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2012-05-20   18:46:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#17)

Ive used edumunds.com for over 10 years. (see my post above). they dont sell cars but simply give reviews and pricing data for both new and used cars. they are a wealth of information. It is an excellent resource.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2012-05-20   18:49:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#17)

I knew about autotrader.com but never hear of this site.

Same here.

My insurance agent/friend turned me onto CarGurus: he and his wife flew to OH to drive home the exact Accord that he wanted to have.

His previous Accord lost in a smash fest with the back of a semi.

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Lod  posted on  2012-05-20   18:51:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#0)

I had a similar experience because like many others here, i did not need, want or use credit for most of my life. if i wanted something, id save money to buy it. Consequently, when i wanted a loan, lack of much of a credit history hurt me via a high interest rate. So, years ago i took the advice of using a charge card for things like gas and groceries, and paying off the balance, or most of the balance, every month. That way you arent running up debt but it keeps a healthy credit score so that we can have credit at a good rate if and when we want it or need it.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2012-05-20   18:55:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Artisan (#18)

Unless you're buying a Hyundai product, the dealer Certified vehicles have much better warranties than the brand new ones.

I've had excellent luck(?) with the certified program and am unwilling to take the depreciation hickey as soon as I drive off the lot.

And I do agree with you and FA about not wanting Mrs.L and me to look like we're fifteen minutes/miles away from homelessness.

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Lod  posted on  2012-05-20   18:58:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Lod (#20)

His previous Accord lost in a smash fest with the back of a semi

He's lucky that he hit the back of a semi instead of a semi hitting the back of him. Look at the amazing photo a in this thread of a little SUV caught between 2 rigs. Its amazing how freaking stupid and crazy drivers can be.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2012-05-20   19:00:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: All (#22)

I couldn't purchase all the stuff I find on the internet without a credit card.

As everyone's mentioned, the key is to pay the monthly balance in full.

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Lod  posted on  2012-05-20   19:01:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Artisan (#23)

Once was enough for that one.

That trucker was either speeding or simply not paying attention to the driving situation he was in. Or both.

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Lod  posted on  2012-05-20   19:05:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Lod (#22)

Ive always liked toyotas and had good luck with a ford truck i bought new many years ago also. the warrantys are fine and i generally pay them off in a few years. for most people, if they need to get financing, banks charge higher rate of interest for used vehicles as a rule, so they may be surprised that a new car is not much higher than a late model used one. I understand the depreciation arguement, but there is more value to a vehicle than just the resale value so to speak. Since i keep my cars forever, im not worried about selling it. i buy it new and keep it as long as humanly possibly. i dont mean to keep buying a new car every 3 years like some people. Now that, to me, would be stupid and a waste of money.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2012-05-20   19:05:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Artisan (#26)

Since i keep my cars forever, im not worried about selling it. i buy it new and keep it as long as humanly possibly. i dont mean to keep buying a new car every 3 years like some people. Now that, to me, would be stupid and a waste of money.

Thanks for the clarification: that makes sense.

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Lod  posted on  2012-05-20   19:07:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Lod (#24)

I couldn't purchase all the stuff I find on the internet without a credit card.

Sure you can. A debit card is treated exactly as a credit card in online transactions. I don't even know if the merchant knows its a debit card.

Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown

Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2012-05-20   19:18:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#28)

Do debit cards give you cash back for your purchases?

I've never had a debit or an atm card.

Pre-historic guy here.

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Lod  posted on  2012-05-20   19:28:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, Lod (#28)

Sure you can. A debit card is treated exactly as a credit card in online transactions.

I'll second that.

The only problem I've experienced with a debit card is renting an auto. One can pay for the rental by debit, but all the major agencies require the initial rental to be secured with a credit card. You can often rent a limo with cash.

Internet purchases, including plane tickets, by debit are no problem.

Buzzard, cc free since 2006.

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Buzzard  posted on  2012-05-20   21:26:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Buzzard, F.A. Hayek Fan, 4 (#30)

in a nutshell, stolen from the NYTimes 2009, here's why I use credit cards -

If you use them responsibly though, credit cards can offer other advantages. They help build your credit, as long as you pay your bills on time. Some also offer rewards that you can use to get gifts, cash back or discounts for products, services and special events. They also provide more protection if someone steals your card or bank information. If you notice a fraudulent charge on your credit card account, you can call the card issuer, make a dispute claim, and the charge should be removed from your balance. But if thieves steal your debit card information and use it, it may take weeks for the bank to investigate your claim and replace the lost funds. In the meantime, you may have to deal with a dwindling bank balance or bounced checks.

Federal law also protects you if you need to dispute charges on a credit card, but not if you use a debit card or other forms of payment. If you paid cash or used a debit card, the retailer already has your money. So you have a lot less leverage, and there’s no guarantee you’ll get that money back. But if you pay for something with your credit card and aren’t happy with the purchase, your card issuer can legally withhold payment from the retailer until they resolve the dispute, and you won’t be charged.

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Lod  posted on  2012-05-20   21:56:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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