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Title: Our Troops do NOT Protect Our Freedom and We Should Stop Thanking Them for Doing So
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URL Source: http://www.bushstole04.com/fakewar/troops_stop_thanking.htm
Published: May 27, 2012
Author: http://www.bushstole04.com/fakewar/troop
Post Date: 2012-05-27 19:39:08 by tom007
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Our Troops do NOT Protect Our Freedom and We Should Stop Thanking Them for Doing So Our Troops do NOT Protect Our Freedom and We Should Stop Thanking Them for Doing So SUNDAY, 07 AUGUST 2011 16:11 JESSE RICHARD Let's make one thing crystal clear, no member of the US military contributes in any way whatsoever to protecting the freedoms of the American people. As a matter of fact, they are more likely to turn their weapons on you than they are to defend your Constitutional rights. The only people on this planet Earth who can affect your freedom are members of Congress, local legislators and the members of enforcement institutions who will blindly follow the rulers who sign their paychecks. And, while your beloved troops are murdering people around the globe, yes, I said murdering, your Congress and local legislators are eliminating your freedoms, en masse, without any intervention by our so-called protectors in the armed forces. UPDATED....To understand the REAL mission of the US military, and the real impact the US has on DESTROYING democracy and freedom around the world...listen to this confession of a US economic hit man...link. There is no honor in volunteering to go anywhere in the world and kill anybody you are told to, without question, without historical background and without verifying the stated reasons for doing so. In this modern age of information we now know that time and time again our military have been deployed into battle, to kill and be killed, for reasons that in no way shape or form resemble the reasons for which they, or we were told at the time. This is no secret, although many Americans refuse to take off the flag that is wrapped around their eyes and see American history as it really happened. They blindly believe what was told to them by the people who have a vested interest in maintaining myths and misconceptions. The US military, not once but twice, committed the single largest mass murders in history by dropping nuclear weapons on civilian populations, including of course, on women and children. Say what you want about how it helped end the war....the bottom line is the US could have exploded these devices over uninhabited territory with the same effect of scaring the heck out of the Japanese. But they followed orders that were lies and murdered almost 300,000 people, without question. As a human being I find it hard to honor such “patriotism.” From the Gulf of Tonkin to the first and second invasions of Iraq, history now teaches us that lies have led our troops to military intervention more often than not. As a matter of fact, it is hard to find an American military intervention in modern history in which the cover story ends up matching the actual events. A little research will show you this. It will also show you how the same people are usually behind funding both sides of military conflict and those doing the funding and instigating have almost always been, how should I say this, the 'good guys.' Yep, westerners on the popular side of conflict are the ones funding the 'bad guys' before they ever are labeled the bad guys. Prescott Bush, the father and grandfather of George H.W. and George W. respectively, made his fortune by funding the Nazis and Hitler's rise to power. This is the same clan who went after Saddam Hussein in Iraq after they put him in power and armed him in the first place. But why pay attention to details if it interferes with our troop worship and flag waving? Time and time again we see that the people who make decisions to send troops to war are the very people who profit financially from such wars. Today's troops can see this. It is part of the public record, yet they still do not question their missions. They join the military with a promise never to question orders. Taking history into account, I see no pride in this kind of service. Recent history provides a very clear lesson for our troops and those who cheer their missions. You have never seen a more clear and egregious example of questionable motivations for military intervention than during the Bush/Cheney administration. A virtual 'who's who' of defense contractors comprised not only the Defense Policy Board, but the office of Vice President. Not to mention that a significant portion of these men signed a document noting that that a 'new Peal Harbor' would be useful in getting public support for their agenda (to increase military spending and activity), and then - just such an attack - the first Pearl Harbor in 60 years took place on 9/11...what a nice coincidence. Gee, what are the odds of the only 'Pearl Harbor' in 60 years taking place while the men responsible for preventing one (and in positions to create/allow one) were the same men who wrote about benefiting from one. But according to most Americans, it is crazy to suspect them of anything...simply because they are Americans. If Dick Cheney had been a Muslim he would have been hanged 9 years ago. Unfortunately, the majority of Americans have neither the intellectual curiosity to actually learn about historical events nor the intelligence to actually think about claims made by their leaders or pop-journalism-gate keeping-icons. For example: Americans have swallowed whole the concept of our troops “protecting our freedom” without ever once asking “how, how does killing foreigners in Iraq or Afghanistan protect our freedom?” Maybe if they asked that question just once and really waited for an answer, a real answer that actually really made sense to them, they would realize there is no answer - because troops killing foreigners have no impact on the freedoms of the American people, and they never will. Here is another question Americans have not asked, “How can an Iraqi, Pakistani, Afghan or Islamic fundamentalist in other nations take away our freedom?” The answer to this question is of course...by becoming a member of the US Congress. It is sad that I will be lambasted for speaking the truth about this sensitive subject, but someone has to. The saddest truth however, is that the members of the US military serve today with no honor. They are dangerous and a threat to all free people, here and abroad. In plain terms - they volunteer to kill at the behest of people who have lied to them for generations about why they are being sent to kill. Generations of lies be dammed, they still follow orders, and kill, without question. I repeat - as a human being I see no honor in this. While it is true that the existence of our military acts to deter nations from invading our shores, credit really should go more to our nuclear arsenal and military technology than to National Guardsman who find themselves shooting at Iraqis in their own homeland. I don't think that it is a deterrent to have private American “security firms” torture, for fun, the “enemies” who are in their own country, in their own neighborhoods, near their own families, and who dare to fight the American military personnel who obliterated their homes, killed their brothers, sisters, children, mothers and fathers, and occupy their soil. The nerve of them! In the meantime, your freedoms and protections are being systematically eliminated while government protected rights for corporations are expanding beyond your wildest dreams. If this nation had a legitimate mainstream news media you would know this and you would probably take to the streets and revolt because you would realize what some of us already know, your rights, health and wealth have been under assault while you are distracted by bogey men in foreign nations who are supposedly going to take your freedom away!!! So how free are you and who exactly are the terrorists. Here is how free you are in your own home in your own country. These are just a few examples - off the top of my head. - there are more...but to start... You are not allowed to drink raw milk, no matter how healthy it is, because under certain rare conditions may cause health issues), but you do have the right to smoke chemically addicting cigarettes that when used as directed WILL KILL YOU! You don't have the right to stop your food supply from being contaminated and genetically manipulated, leaving you with no alternative. You don't have the right to collect rain water or grow your own vegetables to feed your family. You have no right to stop corporations from poisoning your air and water. You have no right to treat your ailments naturally because your government has declared that the only way to become healthy is by medications and treatments that will produce big profits for corporations. Healthy food can not benefit your health and if it does the FDA will classify it as a drug. You have no right to raise your child without injecting toxins and dangerous chemicals directly into their blood streams. During the Bush/Cheney administration you had no right to free speech. Special zones called “free speech” zones were created and kept far from Bush and Cheney where those who wanted to speak as free Americans could gather. You are not free to exchange goods and services on your own terms. You must use Federal Reserve Notes, which is NOT U.S. CURRENCY. It is a system of money created and maintained, unconstitutionally, by a cadre of private banks. You are not free to feed homeless people and if you are homeless you are not free to be fed by your fellow citizens. We are not free to know about or have any say about secret activities in which our rulers partake. For example what terrible weapons they create, what biological or chemical programs that may accidentally or purposely destroy us all, how they set up and instigate wars and conflict as well as events that justify actions for which they want to take but have no legitimate justifications. America is not yet a totalitarian dictatorship, but it is clearly on the way to becoming one. And our beloved troops are doing nothing at all to stop this. What is worse is that some day they may actually be the ones to stop you from doing anything about it. They are already practicing to do so. So if you want to thank people for protecting your freedom...thank journalists...real ones, not establishment hacks, who try to inform you about what is taking place while you are distracted by nonsense. Thank civil liberty lawyers and staff who don't use their education to make it rich charging criminally high fees for their services. Thank whistle blowers. Thank people who risk a backlash of threats and worse to finally speak the truth to people who simply don't want to know there is a truth beyond the myths that have comforted them throughout their lives. And while you do this I'll thank you for at least listening to these uncomfortable words. Reality is not pretty, but if we all open our eyes to reality maybe we can stop those who make it so ugly. I don't know about you, but I want to be proud of my country for real reasons, not mythical ones. Think about it. Jesse Richard – Founder, TvNewsLIES.org
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Shame on both of you.
Well, I most likely am certified in both. However such a blanket statement condemning the entire military is unwarranted, untrue and just one more avenue to deride the grunts.... THAT WE SIGN TO CONTRACTS TO KILL OR BE KILLED, WE PAY THEM SO THAT WE NEED NOT SERVE THIS CORRUPT GOVERNMENT. God, we and this author are damnable hypocrites. Glad you posted it Tom.
Hi C. C and I did not write the piece, and yes, we do we do owe a lot to the MIC, I mean the Vietkong never did invade Los Angles, did they?. The SMALLEST division of the military, the US marines, are larger than the next TWO total combined NATO forces of Britain and Germany. Yes, Shame on us - for mentioning the military is devouring what's left of the economy after the Banksters left the carcass in the road. Since you disagree with the author why not at least answer these very valid 2 questions: NEXT: "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Well, I most likely am certified in both. I renewed my card just a few days ago. I used my Visa Personal account to access my Pay Pal account that is linked to my Google and Face Book account and cross linked to my Reddit account and to my Gulag Gitmo Bonus Awards Platinium Major Indebtness Card with Perpetual Royalty Benefits accumulation Interest points to Satan's Magic Empire Award's Matching Points .. should they refrain from replying to your post, since use of the word YOU "made it personal"? That is what you always say, anyway, whenever someone uses the word YOU. "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Tom... Lets put that arrow where it belongs.. Sixty five per cent of the American voters voted for LBJ.. I supported and voted Goldwater...Johnson and McNamara took that as a mandate to have their own war. THE VOTERS PUT THEM IN OFFICE not the military. Condemn the military is fine, condemning them in entirety and most of all the grunts is despicable. The author needs to vent his anger where it belongs. I understand you did not write it, I am capable of determining that. I even thanked you for posting it. I am waiting for the grunt haters to show up. Think about this Tom, Christine, if there WERE NOT SOME GOOD MEN IN THE MILITARY, the renegades would have us all in the gulag.
They are both articulate enough to speak for themselves. If YOU decide to post something I would be glad to oblige.
Not picking a fight C, But... Seems they do, actually. A financial Gulag. Who would have thought this - those who warned us of the terrors of a central bank. Jefferson, Franklin, Lincolin. And the Military they Command. Most people think they do, so that is all that matters, right? < /sarcasm>
God is always good!
Tom... The opening statement by the author is a good indicator of his feelings and the agenda he wishes to promote. It all goes back to this persuasive MSM agenda of making the very basic grunts as the evil of the military. Someone is in charge. These same men we deem to hate would be there if we had a draft, but it is fine to pay them so I do not have to go, that is important. I will pay, and stay home and point fingers.. Just damn.
Question # 46 "I Would Fire Upon U.S. Citizens..." The RESISTER has confirmed that US Navy SEAL platoons, including SEAL Team Six, Marine combat veterans stationed at Twenty-Nine Palms, CA, and Marine basic trainees at Camp Pendelton, CA, have been administered a questionnaire asking, among other things, if they would "...fire upon US citizens who refuse or resist confiscation of firearms banned by the US government." The questionnaire was first administered to operators by the commanders of SEAL Team Six on 15 September 1993, then subsequently to the remaining SEAL platoons throughout September and October. Rumors began circulating in November that US Army DELTA operators were given the same or similar questionnaire. The SF Underground had been aware of the questionnaire since late September but our observers had been unable to secure a copy or confirm other than its substance consisted of questions pertaining to the subordination of the US Military to the UN and confiscation of the firearms of US citizens. In early January, 1994, we obtained a copy of the questionnaire from one of our DOD sympathizers but lacking corroboration we ran the story in Vol.I, No.1 of The RESISTER as a rumor. On January 22, 1994, one of our observers copied a chilling message off the Internet from Petty Officer 2nd Class W. Kelly, US Navy Special Warfare Team Six, to D. Hawkins, Re: Gun Confiscation. Kelly began by stating that the questionnaire was "...to find out if we would follow the orders of commanding officers without question." (Kelly omitted the fact that the questionnaire assumes "commanding officers" gives equal authority to UN officers commanding US forces.) Kelly continued; "If you wish to find out how I answered I said yes I would fire and kill all persons attempting to resist...we aren't around to be the good guys." Remember, Kelly is referring to American civilians. In February, 1994, MODERN GUN magazine ran a story on the elusive questionnaire which was subsequently circulated by various patriotic citizens groups. Then, on 10 May, 1994, the questionnaire was administered to Marine Desert Storm veterans at Twenty-Nine Palms, CA. A Marine smuggled a copy of the questionnaire out of the testing center and mailed it on 15 May, 1994, with a cover letter, to the editor of THE NEW AMERICAN, which ran the story in their July 11, 1994, issue. THE NEW AMERICAN quotes the Marine's impression that the questionnaire "was just research for this (Navy) commander's(sp) degree." The RESISTER obtained a copy of the Marine's letter, which actually states: "A Navy Commander came before us and said he was working on his masters degree and he was writing a paper about giving up our military's soverenty(sp) to the United Nations Secretary General." The official DOD lie surrounding the questionnaire entitled "Combat Arms Survey," supports that of the Navy Commander. Significantly, the Combat Arms Survey was first given at the time Presidential Decision Directive (PDD) 25 was being prepared. The RESISTER's correspondent in the Pentagon staff of the Joint Chiefs of Staff confirms that PDD 25 surrenders control of the U.S. military to the United Nations. (A cursory survey of articles written by MACOM commanders and staff members in official military journals for the past year reveals a universal acceptance of U.N. control of the American military.) The RESISTER has been eliciting responses to the questionnaire for the past year. Frighteningly, among service members with less than 10 years of service, 63% agree or strongly agree with question # 46: "I would fire upon U.S. citizens who refuse or resist confiscation of firearms banned by the U.S. government." Among new recruits almost 90% give the response: "If it's the law and they order me to do it I guess it's okay." Our federally controlled public schools have done their job. Of those with more than 15 years of service, 87% replied "disagree" or "strongly disagree." Responses by members of the Special Forces Underground were unprintable; basically, there will not be many officers who give that order more than once. The RESISTER has enclosed a copy of the Combat Arms Survey with this issue. As you read it pay particular attention to the qualifiers and their relation to recent articles in the official publications of the Department of Defense, the civilian media, and the policies of the federal government. * Editorial Note The enclosed Combat Arms Survey is a true and accurate reproduction of the contents of the questionnaire. We altered the format to accommodate the The RESISTER's layout. THE EDITOR COMBAT ARMS SURVEY This questionnaire is to gather data concerning the attitudes of combat trained personnel with regards to nontraditional missions. All of your responses are confidential. Write your answers directly on the questionnaire form. In Part II, place an "X" in the space provided for your response. Part I. Demographics 1. What service are you in? 2. What is your pay grade? (e.g. E-7, O-7) 3. What is your MOS code and description? 4. What is your highest level of education in years? 5. How many months did you serve in Operation Desert Storm/Desert Shield? 6. How many months did you serve in Somalia? 7. What state or country did you primarily reside in during childhood? Part II. Attitudes Do you feel that U.S. Combat troops should be used within the United States for any of the following missions? 8. Drug enforcement ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Strongly disagree Disagree Agree Strongly agree No opinion 9. Disaster relief (e.g. hurricanes, floods, fires, earthquakes) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Strongly disagree Disagree Agree Strongly agree No opinion 10. Security at national events (e.g. Olympic Games, Super Bowl) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Strongly disagree Disagree Agree Strongly agree No opinion 11. Environmental disaster clean-up ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Strongly disagree Disagree Agree Strongly agree No opinion 12. Substitute teachers in public schools ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Strongly disagree Disagree Agree Strongly agree No opinion 13. Community assistance programs (e.g. landscaping, environmental clean-up, road repair, animal control) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Strongly disagree Disagree Agree Strongly agree No opinion 14. Federal and state prison guards ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Strongly disagree Disagree Agree Strongly agree No opinion 15. National emergency police force ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Strongly disagree Disagree Agree Strongly agree No opinion 16. Advisors to S.W.A.T. units, the FBI or the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (B.A.T.F.) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Strongly disagree Disagree Agree Strongly agree No opinion 17. Border patrol (e.g. prevention of illegal aliens into U.S. territory) Do you feel that U.S. combat troops under U.S. command should be used in other countries for and of the following United Nations missions? 18. Drug enforcement ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Strongly disagree Disagree Agree Strongly agree No opinion 19. Disaster relief (e.g. hurricanes, floods, fires, earthquakes) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Strongly disagree Disagree Agree Strongly agree No opinion 20. Environmental disaster clean-up ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Strongly disagree Disagree Agree Strongly agree No opinion 21. Peace keeping ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Strongly disagree Disagree Agree Strongly agree No opinion 22. Nation building (Reconstruct civil government, develop public school system, develop or improve public transportation system, etc.) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Strongly disagree Disagree Agree Strongly agree No opinion 23. Humanitarian relief (e.g. food and medical supplies, temporary housing, and clothing) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Strongly disagree Disagree Agree Strongly agree No opinion Do you feel that U.S. combat troops should be used in other countries, under command of non-U.S. officers appointed by the United Nations for any of the following missions? 24. Drug enforcement ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Strongly disagree Disagree Agree Strongly agree No opinion 25. Disaster relief (e.g. hurricanes, floods, fires, earthquakes) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Strongly disagree Disagree Agree Strongly agree No opinion 26. Environmental disaster clean-up ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Strongly disagree Disagree Agree Strongly agree No opinion 27. Peace keeping ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Strongly disagree Disagree Agree Strongly agree No opinion 28. Nation building (Reconstruct civil government, develop public school system, develop or improve public transportation system, etc.) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Strongly disagree Disagree Agree Strongly agree No opinion 29. Humanitarian relief (e.g. food and medical supplies, temporary housing, and clothing) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Strongly disagree Disagree Agree Strongly agree No opinion 30. Police action (e.g. Korea, Vietnam, but serving under non-U.S. officers) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Strongly disagree Disagree Agree Strongly agree No opinion Consider the following statements: 31. The U.S. runs a field training exercise. U.N. combat troops should be allowed to serve in U.S. combat units during these exercises under U.S. command and control. ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Strongly disagree Disagree Agree Strongly agree No opinion 32. The United Nations runs a field training exercise. U.S. combat troops under U.S. command and control should serve in U.N. combat units during these exercises. ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Strongly disagree Disagree Agree Strongly agree No opinion 33. The United Nations runs a field training exercise. U.S. combat troops should serve under U.N. command and control in U.N. during these exercises. ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Strongly disagree Disagree Agree Strongly agree No opinion 34. U.S. combat troops should participate in U.N. missions as long as the U.S. has full command and control. ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Strongly disagree Disagree Agree Strongly agree No opinion 35. U.S. combat troops should participate in U.N. missions under United Nations command and control. ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Strongly disagree Disagree Agree Strongly agree No opinion 36. U.S. combat troops should be commanded by U.N. officers and non- commissioned (NCOs) at battalion and company levels while performing U.N. missions. ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Strongly disagree Disagree Agree Strongly agree No opinion 37. It would make no difference to me to have U.N. soldiers as members of my team. (e.g. fire team, squad, platoon) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Strongly disagree Disagree Agree Strongly agree No opinion 38. It would make no difference to me to take orders from a U.N. company commander. ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Strongly disagree Disagree Agree Strongly agree No opinion 39. I feel the President of the United States has the authority to pass his responsibilities as Commander-in-Chief to the U.N. Secretary General. ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Strongly disagree Disagree Agree Strongly agree No opinion 40. I feel there is no conflict between my oath of office and serving as a U.N. soldier. ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Strongly disagree Disagree Agree Strongly agree No opinion 41. I feel my unit's combat effectiveness would not be affected by performing humanitarian missions for the United Nations. ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Strongly disagree Disagree Agree Strongly agree No opinion 42. I feel a designated unit of U.S. combat soldiers should be permanently assigned to the command and control of the United Nations. ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Strongly disagree Disagree Agree Strongly agree No opinion 43. I would be willing to volunteer for assignment to a U.S. combat unit under a U.N. commander. ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Strongly disagree Disagree Agree Strongly agree No opinion 44. I would like U.N. member countries, including the U.S., to the U.N. all the soldiers necessary to maintain world peace. ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Strongly disagree Disagree Agree Strongly agree No opinion 45. I would swear to the following code: "I am a United Nations fighting person. I serve in the forces which maintain world peace and every nation's way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense." ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Strongly disagree Disagree Agree Strongly agree No opinion 46. The U.S. government declares a ban on the possession, sale, transportation, and transfer of all non-sporting firearms. A thirty (30) day amnesty period is permitted for these firearms to be turned over the local authorities. At the end of this period, a number of citizen groups refuse to turn over their firearms. Consider the following statement: I would fire upon U.S. citizens who refuse or resist confiscation of firearms banned by the U.S. government. ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Strongly disagree Disagree Agree Strongly agree No opinion Source: http://www.knology.net/~bilrum/UN29palms.htm I subscribe to the magazine that published this combat arms survey. http://www.ssrsi.org/Onsite/BBStext/resister.htm In addition, the survey above mentioned came from the DOD Form 3206 and later was revised on 2/96. www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/m/militarysurvey.htm
this is what i wholeheartedly agree with, Cyni. were it a situation that we were attacked on our soil and our troops were protecting and defending this country from enemies within, i would feel quite differently. Three grand essentials to happiness in this life are something to do, something to love, and something to hope for.
Christine... Back to the first revolution... Seventy five per cent of the colonists sat on their hands and profited from the war for freedom from Britain. The others did all of the bleeding and dying. When the treaty was signed in 1783 in Paris by Franklin,Jay and Adams americans were a country and free. But remember 75 per cent did NOTHING, yet they reaped the harvest won by the dead.
Tom... If tomorrow Ron Paul were to call for Americans to rally with arms around Washington, he would be standing alone. Americans are great at finger pointing while safe at home, they even hire kids to do their killing, and then heap scorn upon their backs.
Back to the first revolution... Seventy five per cent of the colonists sat on their hands and profited from the war for freedom from Britain. The others did all of the bleeding and dying. When the treaty was signed in 1783 in Paris by Franklin,Jay and Adams americans were a country and free. But remember 75 per cent did NOTHING, yet they reaped the harvest won by the dead. Irrelevant - a Strawman at best. That is not the fundamental question. It was recognized by Samuel Adams decades before the Revolutionary War that not all would fight. However, that does not resolve the issue at hand it, at best, is a distraction. The real issue here is the function, purpose, and actual activities of the U.S. Military not an ideal, because the ideal as laid out by Jefferson, Madison, et. al., was that there be NO standing army. Regardless of sales pitches and ad campaigns to the contrary Smedley Butler nailed it in the 1920's - "War Is A Racket". He even went so far as to describe himself as having been a mob enforcer for international crapitalism. Because someone dons this country's uniform does not ipso facto make their actions while in uniform right, or just, or in defense of freedom all Public Relations hogwash aside. A pure heart serving in a discreditable cause is by their participation made discreditable as a good person doing bad things does not make them good, right, or wholesome. And we have seen plenty of proof that not all who wear the uniform are pure or even within spitting distance of it. There can be no defense for those who participated in mass murder and committed torture. As was decided at Nuremberg "I vass chust followink hoarders" is no defense. Even a man in uniform is spiritually, ethically, and morally bound to do what is right and under the UCMJ is obligated to not accept an illegal order. Which takes more courage, and is not "just going along the path of least resistance"? The man who carries out a criminal action because he was ordered to? OR The man who declines to follow it? It is not as simple as "Grunts good" forever and always. Always it is conditioned upon the actions of the individual. Wearing a uniform is neither a defense nor a justification. And the broader issue and the question remains unanswered: After months, even years, of viewing the opinions of those who have posted here, it has become apparent that in this current day and age, were the republic to be saved, it would be done by no more than ten or fifteen percent. In the first revolution, the masses were not wearing the spin of the left, i.e., that "its their fault, not mine", hence the actions of 25 percent saved our republic. To some degree or another, everyone of us is guilty of finger pointing or making excuses for failing to take part in SAVING our sovereignty. If not, then we would not see the criminals sitting in D.C. and/or each state's capitol that are supposedly there to "serve the best interests of their constituents." If so, we would have long ago rid ourselves of these self-serving bastards and sent the message that we would NOT tolerate such hypocrisy. Too many continue to blame the grunts for the mess we find ourselves in, when the grunts had nothing to do with who all of us vote into office. Stop throwing up smoke screens and start taking action to rid the REAL culprits of our society. Only then will we be rid of those who WE have allowed to put us where we are now.
It is warranted, it is true, and you once more show that you are nothing less than a government shill. Of course, as a lifelong member of the federal government I can understand the outrage you feel because others don't pay uncritical homage to the entity that has been providing for your welfare your entire adult life. THAT WE SIGN TO CONTRACTS TO KILL OR BE KILLED, WE PAY THEM SO THAT WE NEED NOT SERVE THIS CORRUPT GOVERNMENT. What a load of hooey. Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan
It is easy to discern the character difference of the Colonists then and the " citizens" now. Nearly every one of the original "agitators" were men from the elite class. They were willing to forfeit everything, including their lives, to break the Colonies away from the British. What do we have now????? It is the elite that own and operate the system, why on earth should they risk anything and for what? They are billionaires, and are gaining more power every passing day. And the unwashed masses????? So brainwashed and programmed that the majority have the herd mentality. Little do they realize what a herder already knows, the leaders of the herd have open ground, nothing to step into, the eager followers have to wade through it, every step of the way.
I would enjoy reading anything written by a Salma Hayek fan. Photos would be a huge plus.
I supported and voted Goldwater...Johnson and McNamara took that as a mandate to have their own war. THE VOTERS PUT THEM IN OFFICE not the military. I love how you always throw out smoke screens like this to try and cloud the issue. Who you voted for in the 1960's is not germane to the argument. I think you're a liar anyway. As a supporter of big government, there is no way you would have voted against LBJ. He increased your meal ticket. Your attempt to try and equate a time in our history when citizens were drafted to today when those who sign up know full well they will be used to destroy countries and murder men, women, and children that pose no threat to the United States is invalid. Think about this Tom, Christine, if there WERE NOT SOME GOOD MEN IN THE MILITARY, the renegades would have us all in the gulag. More hooey from the King of Bullshit. You are forever bad mouthing the officer corps of the military, yet now you claim that not only are there good men in the military, these good men are actually saving us from the gulags. LOL! You do realize that those good men you speak of are members of the officer corps right? Or are you saying that it the enlisted men protecting us all from the gulags? Whether there are good men in the military has nothing to do with anything and does not take away from the authors critique. I'm sure there were good men in Enron too but that doesn't take away from the crimes of the organization. There are also good Jews in the world but that has never stopped you from making blanket condemnations against Jews. Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan
Tell you what. You post a nice photo of Salma and I promise to read whatever you write and respond. OK?????
Someone is in charge. These same men we deem to hate would be there if we had a draft, but it is fine to pay them so I do not have to go, that is important. I will pay, and stay home and point fingers.. Just damn. You speak of the grunts this and the grunts that but you are doing nothing but using them to try and squelch any debate about our military operations around the world. You might as well be screaming "anti-Semite!" since you are using the exact same tactics. Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan
Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson Don't know about the welfare of the United States. Done wonders for the MIC. You post a nice photo of Salma and I promise to read whatever you write and respond. OK????? It makes no difference to me whether you read and respond or not. That is not my purpose for writing. Someone has to call you on your bullshit so it maight as well be me. Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan
Here is a nice foto of Salma. Post it often and we can be friends for life.
Sir Lod... You are indeed a gentleman with good taste. These youngsters are too busy to stop and smell the roses. I can see that your health is improving rapidly.
Seventy five per cent of the colonists sat on their hands and profited from the war for freedom from Britain. The others did all of the bleeding and dying. When the treaty was signed in 1783 in Paris by Franklin,Jay and Adams americans were a country and free. But remember 75 per cent did NOTHING, yet they reaped the harvest won by the dead. Another straw man argument that has nothing whatsoever to do with anything but is used as a smokescreen to hide your inability to argue your position that no one should say anything bad about the military. Speaking for myself, I find your pathetic attempt to equate the revolutionary war with today's military actions to be more than a little disingenuous and disgusting. Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan
Photo first, then I read. OK??????
And if someone would have stood up and called the colonists to arms 50 years before it actually happened, they would have been standing alone as well. It would not have been time yet. The colonists would not have had their fill yet. It is no different today. Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan
Bwhahahahahaha! You and your buddy are so full of shit. People on this site post articles day in and day out concerning political and economic corruption from every aspect you can think of yet because someone posts an article critical of the military all of a sudden we are "blaming the grunts for the mess we find ourselves in" and need to stop "throwing up smoke screens and start taking action to rid the REAL culprits of our society"? Bwhahahahahaha. What a ludicrous statement. I believe the term for what you are claiming is called projection. You are projecting your own actions upon the rest of us. It is you and Cynicom who are throwing up the smoke screens not the author or the forum. You and your fellow worshiper of big government need to face the fact that the military is as corrupt as any other part of the government and is as deserving of critique as any other. Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan
Bravo! That is the question he will forever avoid answering. All of his posts have been designed to do one thing and one thing only and that is cloud the issue with unrelated and non-germane BS. Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan
No photo, no read, sorry.
Excellent article. He may be lambasted by some for speaking the truth but not by those who have been on to their game(s) for years. Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi "If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken "..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
You are guilty of the very things of which you accuse others. Perhaps you should aim your insults, name calling and limited understanding at those who can't see from whom they come.
Well said. I think we all know that if any soldier were truly dedicated to honoring his oath the first order of business would be to kill most of the politicians in this country! The first part of said oath says so: I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;... Are there any greater enemies than the politicians who write and sign "laws" to deny our liberties? People who see no harm in hiring goons to treat us like terrorists, with no supporting evidence of it, just so we can board a plane? I truly have no use for the ruling elite and think the soldiers days would be quite full if they honored the first part of that oath by taking out the domestic enemies of the Constitution. Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi "If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken "..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
Why do you hate Murka? Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi "If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken "..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
I will call your Salma Hayek and raise you a Sofia Vergara. AND, being that today is a holiday I will also raise again with Catrinel Menghia (she of the Fiat Abarth commercial fame). Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi "If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken "..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
I checked out Sofia the other day. Nice. I am sort of promised to Salma tho.. My doctor tole me other day that looking at Salma as my screen background would have to go. My wife told on me.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestLet's make one thing crystal clear, no member of the US military contributes in any way whatsoever to protecting the freedoms of the American people
#5. To: tom007, Christine (#2)
." bunch of fools, shills or most likely, both.
#6. To: Cynicom (#4)
Let's make one thing crystal clear, no member of the US military contributes in any way whatsoever to protecting the freedoms of the American people
"Satan / Cheney in "08" 
The people of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage." J.K. Galbraith
#7. To: Cynicom (#4)
“how, how does killing foreigners in Iraq or Afghanistan protect our freedom?”
“How can an Iraqi, Pakistani, Afghan or Islamic fundamentalist in other nations take away our freedom?”
#8. To: Cynicom (#5)
" bunch of fools, shills or most likely, both.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" The people of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage." J.K. Galbraith
#9. To: Cynicom (#4)
Shame on both of you
#10. To: tom007 (#6)
C and I did not write the piece, and yes, we do we do owe a lot to the MIC, I mean the Vietkong never did invade Los Angles, did they?.
#11. To: Artisan (#9)
should they refrain from replying to your post, since use of the word YOU "made it personal"?
#12. To: Cynicom (#10)
if there WERE NOT SOME GOOD MEN IN THE MILITARY, the renegades would have us all in the gulag.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" The people of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage." J.K. Galbraith
#13. To: All (#12)
those who warned us of the terrors of a central bank.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" The people of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage." J.K. Galbraith
#14. To: tom007 (#0)
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#15. To: tom007 (#12)
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JESSE RICHARD Let's make one thing crystal clear, no member of the US military contributes in any way whatsoever to protecting the freedoms of the American people.
#16. To: tom007 (#1)
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As a matter of fact, they are more likely to turn their weapons on you than they are to defend your Constitutional rights.
#17. To: Cynicom (#4)
There is no honor in volunteering to go anywhere in the world and kill anybody you are told to, without question, without historical background and without verifying the stated reasons for doing so. In this modern age of information we now know that time and time again our military have been deployed into battle, to kill and be killed, for reasons that in no way shape or form resemble the reasons for which they, or we were told at the time.
#18. To: christine (#17)
#19. To: tom007 (#13)
#20. To: Cynicom, christine, Artisan, Tom007 (#18)
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Christine...
How has murdering 3 to 5 MILLION people who were not engaged in hostile actions upon our shores improved the security and welfare of the United States?
#21. To: Cynicom (#19)
Americans are great at finger pointing while safe at home, they even hire kids to do their killing, and then heap scorn upon their backs.
#22. To: Cynicom (#5)
However such a blanket statement condemning the entire military is unwarranted, untrue and just one more avenue to deride the grunts....
#23. To: Phant2000 (#21)
Stop throwing up smoke screens and start taking action to rid the REAL culprits of our society. Only then will we be rid of those who WE have allowed to put us where we are now.
#24. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#22)
#25. To: Cynicom (#10)
Sixty five per cent of the American voters voted for LBJ..
#26. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#25)
#27. To: Cynicom (#15)
Tom... The opening statement by the author is a good indicator of his feelings and the agenda he wishes to promote. It all goes back to this persuasive MSM agenda of making the very basic grunts as the evil of the military.
#28. To: Cynicom, 4 (#26)
#29. To: Original_Intent (#20)
How has murdering 3 to 5 MILLION people who were not engaged in hostile actions upon our shores improved the security and welfare of the United States?
"Satan / Cheney in "08" The people of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage." J.K. Galbraith
#30. To: Cynicom (#26)
Tell you what.
#31. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#27)
#32. To: Lod (#28)
#33. To: Cynicom (#18)
Back to the first revolution...
#34. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#33)
#35. To: Cynicom (#19)
If tomorrow Ron Paul were to call for Americans to rally with arms around Washington, he would be standing alone.
#36. To: Phant2000, all (#21)
Too many continue to blame the grunts for the mess we find ourselves in, when the grunts had nothing to do with who all of us vote into office. Stop throwing up smoke screens and start taking action to rid the REAL culprits of our society. Only then will we be rid of those who WE have allowed to put us where we are now.
#37. To: Original_Intent (#20)
How has murdering 3 to 5 MILLION people who were not engaged in hostile actions upon our shores improved the security and welfare of the United States?
#38. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#35)
#39. To: tom007 (#0)
It is sad that I will be lambasted for speaking the truth about this sensitive subject, but someone has to.
#40. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#36)
#41. To: christine, Cynicom (#17)
this is what i wholeheartedly agree with, Cyni. were it a situation that we were attacked on our soil and our troops were protecting and defending this country from enemies within, i would feel quite differently.
#42. To: Original_Intent (#20)
There can be no defense for those who participated in mass murder and committed torture. As was decided at Nuremberg "I vass chust followink hoarders" is no defense.
#43. To: Cynicom (#31)
#44. To: James Deffenbach (#43)
I will call your Salma Hayek and raise you a Sofia Vergara.
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