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Title: Our Troops do NOT Protect Our Freedom and We Should Stop Thanking Them for Doing So
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Published: May 27, 2012
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Post Date: 2012-05-27 19:39:08 by tom007
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Our Troops do NOT Protect Our Freedom and We Should Stop Thanking Them for Doing So Our Troops do NOT Protect Our Freedom and We Should Stop Thanking Them for Doing So SUNDAY, 07 AUGUST 2011 16:11 JESSE RICHARD Let's make one thing crystal clear, no member of the US military contributes in any way whatsoever to protecting the freedoms of the American people. As a matter of fact, they are more likely to turn their weapons on you than they are to defend your Constitutional rights. The only people on this planet Earth who can affect your freedom are members of Congress, local legislators and the members of enforcement institutions who will blindly follow the rulers who sign their paychecks. And, while your beloved troops are murdering people around the globe, yes, I said murdering, your Congress and local legislators are eliminating your freedoms, en masse, without any intervention by our so-called protectors in the armed forces. UPDATED....To understand the REAL mission of the US military, and the real impact the US has on DESTROYING democracy and freedom around the world...listen to this confession of a US economic hit man...link. There is no honor in volunteering to go anywhere in the world and kill anybody you are told to, without question, without historical background and without verifying the stated reasons for doing so. In this modern age of information we now know that time and time again our military have been deployed into battle, to kill and be killed, for reasons that in no way shape or form resemble the reasons for which they, or we were told at the time. This is no secret, although many Americans refuse to take off the flag that is wrapped around their eyes and see American history as it really happened. They blindly believe what was told to them by the people who have a vested interest in maintaining myths and misconceptions. The US military, not once but twice, committed the single largest mass murders in history by dropping nuclear weapons on civilian populations, including of course, on women and children. Say what you want about how it helped end the war....the bottom line is the US could have exploded these devices over uninhabited territory with the same effect of scaring the heck out of the Japanese. But they followed orders that were lies and murdered almost 300,000 people, without question. As a human being I find it hard to honor such “patriotism.” From the Gulf of Tonkin to the first and second invasions of Iraq, history now teaches us that lies have led our troops to military intervention more often than not. As a matter of fact, it is hard to find an American military intervention in modern history in which the cover story ends up matching the actual events. A little research will show you this. It will also show you how the same people are usually behind funding both sides of military conflict and those doing the funding and instigating have almost always been, how should I say this, the 'good guys.' Yep, westerners on the popular side of conflict are the ones funding the 'bad guys' before they ever are labeled the bad guys. Prescott Bush, the father and grandfather of George H.W. and George W. respectively, made his fortune by funding the Nazis and Hitler's rise to power. This is the same clan who went after Saddam Hussein in Iraq after they put him in power and armed him in the first place. But why pay attention to details if it interferes with our troop worship and flag waving? Time and time again we see that the people who make decisions to send troops to war are the very people who profit financially from such wars. Today's troops can see this. It is part of the public record, yet they still do not question their missions. They join the military with a promise never to question orders. Taking history into account, I see no pride in this kind of service. Recent history provides a very clear lesson for our troops and those who cheer their missions. You have never seen a more clear and egregious example of questionable motivations for military intervention than during the Bush/Cheney administration. A virtual 'who's who' of defense contractors comprised not only the Defense Policy Board, but the office of Vice President. Not to mention that a significant portion of these men signed a document noting that that a 'new Peal Harbor' would be useful in getting public support for their agenda (to increase military spending and activity), and then - just such an attack - the first Pearl Harbor in 60 years took place on 9/11...what a nice coincidence. Gee, what are the odds of the only 'Pearl Harbor' in 60 years taking place while the men responsible for preventing one (and in positions to create/allow one) were the same men who wrote about benefiting from one. But according to most Americans, it is crazy to suspect them of anything...simply because they are Americans. If Dick Cheney had been a Muslim he would have been hanged 9 years ago. Unfortunately, the majority of Americans have neither the intellectual curiosity to actually learn about historical events nor the intelligence to actually think about claims made by their leaders or pop-journalism-gate keeping-icons. For example: Americans have swallowed whole the concept of our troops “protecting our freedom” without ever once asking “how, how does killing foreigners in Iraq or Afghanistan protect our freedom?” Maybe if they asked that question just once and really waited for an answer, a real answer that actually really made sense to them, they would realize there is no answer - because troops killing foreigners have no impact on the freedoms of the American people, and they never will. Here is another question Americans have not asked, “How can an Iraqi, Pakistani, Afghan or Islamic fundamentalist in other nations take away our freedom?” The answer to this question is of course...by becoming a member of the US Congress. It is sad that I will be lambasted for speaking the truth about this sensitive subject, but someone has to. The saddest truth however, is that the members of the US military serve today with no honor. They are dangerous and a threat to all free people, here and abroad. In plain terms - they volunteer to kill at the behest of people who have lied to them for generations about why they are being sent to kill. Generations of lies be dammed, they still follow orders, and kill, without question. I repeat - as a human being I see no honor in this. While it is true that the existence of our military acts to deter nations from invading our shores, credit really should go more to our nuclear arsenal and military technology than to National Guardsman who find themselves shooting at Iraqis in their own homeland. I don't think that it is a deterrent to have private American “security firms” torture, for fun, the “enemies” who are in their own country, in their own neighborhoods, near their own families, and who dare to fight the American military personnel who obliterated their homes, killed their brothers, sisters, children, mothers and fathers, and occupy their soil. The nerve of them! In the meantime, your freedoms and protections are being systematically eliminated while government protected rights for corporations are expanding beyond your wildest dreams. If this nation had a legitimate mainstream news media you would know this and you would probably take to the streets and revolt because you would realize what some of us already know, your rights, health and wealth have been under assault while you are distracted by bogey men in foreign nations who are supposedly going to take your freedom away!!! So how free are you and who exactly are the terrorists. Here is how free you are in your own home in your own country. These are just a few examples - off the top of my head. - there are more...but to start... You are not allowed to drink raw milk, no matter how healthy it is, because under certain rare conditions may cause health issues), but you do have the right to smoke chemically addicting cigarettes that when used as directed WILL KILL YOU! You don't have the right to stop your food supply from being contaminated and genetically manipulated, leaving you with no alternative. You don't have the right to collect rain water or grow your own vegetables to feed your family. You have no right to stop corporations from poisoning your air and water. You have no right to treat your ailments naturally because your government has declared that the only way to become healthy is by medications and treatments that will produce big profits for corporations. Healthy food can not benefit your health and if it does the FDA will classify it as a drug. You have no right to raise your child without injecting toxins and dangerous chemicals directly into their blood streams. During the Bush/Cheney administration you had no right to free speech. Special zones called “free speech” zones were created and kept far from Bush and Cheney where those who wanted to speak as free Americans could gather. You are not free to exchange goods and services on your own terms. You must use Federal Reserve Notes, which is NOT U.S. CURRENCY. It is a system of money created and maintained, unconstitutionally, by a cadre of private banks. You are not free to feed homeless people and if you are homeless you are not free to be fed by your fellow citizens. We are not free to know about or have any say about secret activities in which our rulers partake. For example what terrible weapons they create, what biological or chemical programs that may accidentally or purposely destroy us all, how they set up and instigate wars and conflict as well as events that justify actions for which they want to take but have no legitimate justifications. America is not yet a totalitarian dictatorship, but it is clearly on the way to becoming one. And our beloved troops are doing nothing at all to stop this. What is worse is that some day they may actually be the ones to stop you from doing anything about it. They are already practicing to do so. So if you want to thank people for protecting your freedom...thank journalists...real ones, not establishment hacks, who try to inform you about what is taking place while you are distracted by nonsense. Thank civil liberty lawyers and staff who don't use their education to make it rich charging criminally high fees for their services. Thank whistle blowers. Thank people who risk a backlash of threats and worse to finally speak the truth to people who simply don't want to know there is a truth beyond the myths that have comforted them throughout their lives. And while you do this I'll thank you for at least listening to these uncomfortable words. Reality is not pretty, but if we all open our eyes to reality maybe we can stop those who make it so ugly. I don't know about you, but I want to be proud of my country for real reasons, not mythical ones. Think about it. Jesse Richard – Founder, TvNewsLIES.org
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#19. To: tom007 (#13)
Tom... If tomorrow Ron Paul were to call for Americans to rally with arms around Washington, he would be standing alone. Americans are great at finger pointing while safe at home, they even hire kids to do their killing, and then heap scorn upon their backs.
Back to the first revolution... Seventy five per cent of the colonists sat on their hands and profited from the war for freedom from Britain. The others did all of the bleeding and dying. When the treaty was signed in 1783 in Paris by Franklin,Jay and Adams americans were a country and free. But remember 75 per cent did NOTHING, yet they reaped the harvest won by the dead. Irrelevant - a Strawman at best. That is not the fundamental question. It was recognized by Samuel Adams decades before the Revolutionary War that not all would fight. However, that does not resolve the issue at hand it, at best, is a distraction. The real issue here is the function, purpose, and actual activities of the U.S. Military not an ideal, because the ideal as laid out by Jefferson, Madison, et. al., was that there be NO standing army. Regardless of sales pitches and ad campaigns to the contrary Smedley Butler nailed it in the 1920's - "War Is A Racket". He even went so far as to describe himself as having been a mob enforcer for international crapitalism. Because someone dons this country's uniform does not ipso facto make their actions while in uniform right, or just, or in defense of freedom all Public Relations hogwash aside. A pure heart serving in a discreditable cause is by their participation made discreditable as a good person doing bad things does not make them good, right, or wholesome. And we have seen plenty of proof that not all who wear the uniform are pure or even within spitting distance of it. There can be no defense for those who participated in mass murder and committed torture. As was decided at Nuremberg "I vass chust followink hoarders" is no defense. Even a man in uniform is spiritually, ethically, and morally bound to do what is right and under the UCMJ is obligated to not accept an illegal order. Which takes more courage, and is not "just going along the path of least resistance"? The man who carries out a criminal action because he was ordered to? OR The man who declines to follow it? It is not as simple as "Grunts good" forever and always. Always it is conditioned upon the actions of the individual. Wearing a uniform is neither a defense nor a justification. And the broader issue and the question remains unanswered: After months, even years, of viewing the opinions of those who have posted here, it has become apparent that in this current day and age, were the republic to be saved, it would be done by no more than ten or fifteen percent. In the first revolution, the masses were not wearing the spin of the left, i.e., that "its their fault, not mine", hence the actions of 25 percent saved our republic. To some degree or another, everyone of us is guilty of finger pointing or making excuses for failing to take part in SAVING our sovereignty. If not, then we would not see the criminals sitting in D.C. and/or each state's capitol that are supposedly there to "serve the best interests of their constituents." If so, we would have long ago rid ourselves of these self-serving bastards and sent the message that we would NOT tolerate such hypocrisy. Too many continue to blame the grunts for the mess we find ourselves in, when the grunts had nothing to do with who all of us vote into office. Stop throwing up smoke screens and start taking action to rid the REAL culprits of our society. Only then will we be rid of those who WE have allowed to put us where we are now.
It is warranted, it is true, and you once more show that you are nothing less than a government shill. Of course, as a lifelong member of the federal government I can understand the outrage you feel because others don't pay uncritical homage to the entity that has been providing for your welfare your entire adult life. THAT WE SIGN TO CONTRACTS TO KILL OR BE KILLED, WE PAY THEM SO THAT WE NEED NOT SERVE THIS CORRUPT GOVERNMENT. What a load of hooey. Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan
It is easy to discern the character difference of the Colonists then and the " citizens" now. Nearly every one of the original "agitators" were men from the elite class. They were willing to forfeit everything, including their lives, to break the Colonies away from the British. What do we have now????? It is the elite that own and operate the system, why on earth should they risk anything and for what? They are billionaires, and are gaining more power every passing day. And the unwashed masses????? So brainwashed and programmed that the majority have the herd mentality. Little do they realize what a herder already knows, the leaders of the herd have open ground, nothing to step into, the eager followers have to wade through it, every step of the way.
I would enjoy reading anything written by a Salma Hayek fan. Photos would be a huge plus.
I supported and voted Goldwater...Johnson and McNamara took that as a mandate to have their own war. THE VOTERS PUT THEM IN OFFICE not the military. I love how you always throw out smoke screens like this to try and cloud the issue. Who you voted for in the 1960's is not germane to the argument. I think you're a liar anyway. As a supporter of big government, there is no way you would have voted against LBJ. He increased your meal ticket. Your attempt to try and equate a time in our history when citizens were drafted to today when those who sign up know full well they will be used to destroy countries and murder men, women, and children that pose no threat to the United States is invalid. Think about this Tom, Christine, if there WERE NOT SOME GOOD MEN IN THE MILITARY, the renegades would have us all in the gulag. More hooey from the King of Bullshit. You are forever bad mouthing the officer corps of the military, yet now you claim that not only are there good men in the military, these good men are actually saving us from the gulags. LOL! You do realize that those good men you speak of are members of the officer corps right? Or are you saying that it the enlisted men protecting us all from the gulags? Whether there are good men in the military has nothing to do with anything and does not take away from the authors critique. I'm sure there were good men in Enron too but that doesn't take away from the crimes of the organization. There are also good Jews in the world but that has never stopped you from making blanket condemnations against Jews. Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan
Tell you what. You post a nice photo of Salma and I promise to read whatever you write and respond. OK?????
Someone is in charge. These same men we deem to hate would be there if we had a draft, but it is fine to pay them so I do not have to go, that is important. I will pay, and stay home and point fingers.. Just damn. You speak of the grunts this and the grunts that but you are doing nothing but using them to try and squelch any debate about our military operations around the world. You might as well be screaming "anti-Semite!" since you are using the exact same tactics. Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan
Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson Don't know about the welfare of the United States. Done wonders for the MIC. You post a nice photo of Salma and I promise to read whatever you write and respond. OK????? It makes no difference to me whether you read and respond or not. That is not my purpose for writing. Someone has to call you on your bullshit so it maight as well be me. Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan
Here is a nice foto of Salma. Post it often and we can be friends for life.
Sir Lod... You are indeed a gentleman with good taste. These youngsters are too busy to stop and smell the roses. I can see that your health is improving rapidly.
Seventy five per cent of the colonists sat on their hands and profited from the war for freedom from Britain. The others did all of the bleeding and dying. When the treaty was signed in 1783 in Paris by Franklin,Jay and Adams americans were a country and free. But remember 75 per cent did NOTHING, yet they reaped the harvest won by the dead. Another straw man argument that has nothing whatsoever to do with anything but is used as a smokescreen to hide your inability to argue your position that no one should say anything bad about the military. Speaking for myself, I find your pathetic attempt to equate the revolutionary war with today's military actions to be more than a little disingenuous and disgusting. Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan
Photo first, then I read. OK??????
And if someone would have stood up and called the colonists to arms 50 years before it actually happened, they would have been standing alone as well. It would not have been time yet. The colonists would not have had their fill yet. It is no different today. Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan
Bwhahahahahaha! You and your buddy are so full of shit. People on this site post articles day in and day out concerning political and economic corruption from every aspect you can think of yet because someone posts an article critical of the military all of a sudden we are "blaming the grunts for the mess we find ourselves in" and need to stop "throwing up smoke screens and start taking action to rid the REAL culprits of our society"? Bwhahahahahaha. What a ludicrous statement. I believe the term for what you are claiming is called projection. You are projecting your own actions upon the rest of us. It is you and Cynicom who are throwing up the smoke screens not the author or the forum. You and your fellow worshiper of big government need to face the fact that the military is as corrupt as any other part of the government and is as deserving of critique as any other. Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan
Bravo! That is the question he will forever avoid answering. All of his posts have been designed to do one thing and one thing only and that is cloud the issue with unrelated and non-germane BS. Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan
No photo, no read, sorry.
Excellent article. He may be lambasted by some for speaking the truth but not by those who have been on to their game(s) for years. Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi "If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken "..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
You are guilty of the very things of which you accuse others. Perhaps you should aim your insults, name calling and limited understanding at those who can't see from whom they come.
Well said. I think we all know that if any soldier were truly dedicated to honoring his oath the first order of business would be to kill most of the politicians in this country! The first part of said oath says so: I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;... Are there any greater enemies than the politicians who write and sign "laws" to deny our liberties? People who see no harm in hiring goons to treat us like terrorists, with no supporting evidence of it, just so we can board a plane? I truly have no use for the ruling elite and think the soldiers days would be quite full if they honored the first part of that oath by taking out the domestic enemies of the Constitution. Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi "If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken "..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
Why do you hate Murka? Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi "If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken "..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
I will call your Salma Hayek and raise you a Sofia Vergara. AND, being that today is a holiday I will also raise again with Catrinel Menghia (she of the Fiat Abarth commercial fame). Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi "If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken "..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
I checked out Sofia the other day. Nice. I am sort of promised to Salma tho.. My doctor tole me other day that looking at Salma as my screen background would have to go. My wife told on me.
James... It is most difficult for me to accept that so many people on this forum actually believe the above statement. It is an all encompassing statement. If so many of the good people here really believe and accept such, I am in the wrong place. Any student of history would know better from an intellectual standpoint, if Americans truly believe that, in their hearts, we are surely through as a society. Believing that a missile hit the Pentagon is quite one thing, believing and entertaining the idea that NOT ONE AMERICAN MILITARY DEFENDS US, is ludicrous to the point of absurdity. Following the herd is not productive.
With all due respect, how is this adjunct of the IDF protecting America today?
And if someone would have stood up and called the colonists to arms 50 years before it actually happened, they would have been standing alone as well. It would not have been time yet. The colonists would not have had their fill yet. It is no different today. "...Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. ..." ~ Thomas Jefferson First let me accept that the statement is true. And I am President of the United States. Obama for instance, a person that may soon be unemployed. KNOWING THAT, ALL OF THE MILITARY, WITHOUT EXCEPTION, WILL FOLLOW ANY ORDER, PERHAPS I MIGHT JUST EXECUTE A MILITARY COUP, ABOLISH THE CONSTITUTION AND DECLARE MYSELF PRESIDENT FOR LIFE. What keeps Obama or any other government figure from doing this? Is it fear of me or any of the masses? Or is it perhaps the military??? Accepting this authors protestations as fact means we should be on guard every minute for a military coup. Perhaps others are, I am not. I sleep well accepting that enough of the military is with us to thwart any such adventure.
James... It is most difficult for me to accept that so many people on this forum actually believe the above statement. In a general sense it has become true. The United States military is no long serving the interests of WE THE PEOPLE it is as Smedley Butler put it "muscle men for international capitalism", and more specifically the Banksters and their Masters the Rotchilds. It is one thing to hold to an ideal and be loyal to one's friends and comrades but it is another to become blind to reality, and the reality is that the American military no longer serves America and it's use has been perverted to foul and evil ends. There is nothing patriotic or noble about breaking down the door of a poor Afghani family in the middle of night and gunning them all down. That is the behavior of monsters and is no different than the actions of the Third Reich or Stalin's Cheka. Then your answer is our military is protecting us from a military coup?
LOL! Your whole existence on this site is following Cynicom around and agreeing with everything he says. You're his own personal groupie. Personally I think you and he are the same person. Your understanding is limited to whatever vomit spills from Cynicom mouth. Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan
There is no "answer" there, it is merely illustrative how this country works. I only recall one attempted military coup in my lifetime, it never got beyond the first former General. Butler blew the whistle and FDR was afraid to punish those involved. General Butler stopped the entire effort by himself.
You need to re-read Phant2000's post #21 carefully because there was nothing from there that would lead me to presume they were agreeing to Cynicom's post.
I am sure there is a large statue of the man placed in a prominent position at West Point, Along with a engraving of his "War is a Racket" essay. I agree with that. Cyni, I have no doubt that you and others like you served honorably. I had an uncle who was a POW in a German camp and there never was a nicer guy--and he never hated the Germans either. He said they about starved them to death but the people guarding them didn't have any more to eat than they did. My problem with people in the military is those who will unquestioningly obey orders no matter how absurd or how evil. How does it advance the interests of America or the freedom of Americans for our soldiers to be off halfway around the world killing innocent people and creating terrorists? I don't know about anyone else but I know that if someone came and occupied my town and killed people that I knew had never harmed anyone, and especially if they killed my family and close friends, they would have made a terrorist intent on killing as many of them as he could. I doubt that I fall so far outside the common experience that what I think is beyond the pale. Those who serve(d) with honor, good on you. But you're not protecting the freedoms of any American halfway around the world killing folks who have done us no harm. And for those who answered that questionnaire with a yes (about killing Americans who refused to disarm because of some stupid and unconstitutional "law,") ef you! Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi "If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken "..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
Salma Hayek sees sinister plots everywhere, even in his closet and under his bed. Phant and I have one thing in common, I am over 80 and she is near 80. Phant, Murf and I were all thrown out of FreakRepublic together, then thrown out of one or two other forums including LP. We all landed here and Christine has tolerated us so far. Phant is an educated, thinking lady, strong willed and strong minded. She often tells me to stop whining and straighten up. When Salma Hayek gets eighty years tacked onto his hide, he will be all right, as he appears to be a very intelligent young man.
In many other respects Butler was probably a pretty decent man. But he should have shot that communist FDR himself. Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi "If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken "..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
I am sure there is a large statue of the man placed in a prominent position at West Point, Along with a engraving of his "War is a Racket" essay. Pleasssse. Annapolis if you will. Butler was a MARINE. Although he never attended the Academy. He became an officer at a time when that was not a requirement. I think he's one of the reasons we now have a strong bias in the military against officers who have not been put through 4 years of FDR was scared to death, that is why even tho Butler testified against the eight people, nothing was ever done. They all walked away scot free.
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#20. To: Cynicom, christine, Artisan, Tom007 (#18)
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Christine...
How has murdering 3 to 5 MILLION people who were not engaged in hostile actions upon our shores improved the security and welfare of the United States?
#21. To: Cynicom (#19)
Americans are great at finger pointing while safe at home, they even hire kids to do their killing, and then heap scorn upon their backs.
#22. To: Cynicom (#5)
However such a blanket statement condemning the entire military is unwarranted, untrue and just one more avenue to deride the grunts....
#23. To: Phant2000 (#21)
Stop throwing up smoke screens and start taking action to rid the REAL culprits of our society. Only then will we be rid of those who WE have allowed to put us where we are now.
#24. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#22)
#25. To: Cynicom (#10)
Sixty five per cent of the American voters voted for LBJ..
#26. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#25)
#27. To: Cynicom (#15)
Tom... The opening statement by the author is a good indicator of his feelings and the agenda he wishes to promote. It all goes back to this persuasive MSM agenda of making the very basic grunts as the evil of the military.
#28. To: Cynicom, 4 (#26)
#29. To: Original_Intent (#20)
How has murdering 3 to 5 MILLION people who were not engaged in hostile actions upon our shores improved the security and welfare of the United States?
"Satan / Cheney in "08" 
The people of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage." J.K. Galbraith
#30. To: Cynicom (#26)
Tell you what.
#31. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#27)
#32. To: Lod (#28)
#33. To: Cynicom (#18)
Back to the first revolution...
#34. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#33)
#35. To: Cynicom (#19)
If tomorrow Ron Paul were to call for Americans to rally with arms around Washington, he would be standing alone.
#36. To: Phant2000, all (#21)
Too many continue to blame the grunts for the mess we find ourselves in, when the grunts had nothing to do with who all of us vote into office. Stop throwing up smoke screens and start taking action to rid the REAL culprits of our society. Only then will we be rid of those who WE have allowed to put us where we are now.
#37. To: Original_Intent (#20)
How has murdering 3 to 5 MILLION people who were not engaged in hostile actions upon our shores improved the security and welfare of the United States?
#38. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#35)
#39. To: tom007 (#0)
It is sad that I will be lambasted for speaking the truth about this sensitive subject, but someone has to.
#40. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#36)
#41. To: christine, Cynicom (#17)
this is what i wholeheartedly agree with, Cyni. were it a situation that we were attacked on our soil and our troops were protecting and defending this country from enemies within, i would feel quite differently.
#42. To: Original_Intent (#20)
There can be no defense for those who participated in mass murder and committed torture. As was decided at Nuremberg "I vass chust followink hoarders" is no defense.
#43. To: Cynicom (#31)
#44. To: James Deffenbach (#43)
I will call your Salma Hayek and raise you a Sofia Vergara.
#45. To: James Deffenbach (#41)
JESSE RICHARD Let's make one thing crystal clear, no member of the US military contributes in any way whatsoever to protecting the freedoms of the American people.
#46. To: Cynicom (#45)
believing and entertaining the idea that NOT ONE AMERICAN MILITARY DEFENDS US, is ludicrous to the point of absurdity.
#47. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, Cynicom (#35)
If tomorrow Ron Paul were to call for Americans to rally with arms around Washington, he would be standing alone.
#48. To: Mr_Barnes, Tom007, Christine, (#46)
With all due respect, how is this adjunct of the IDF protecting America today?
#49. To: Cynicom, James Deffenbach (#45)
JESSE RICHARD Let's make one thing crystal clear, no member of the US military contributes in any way whatsoever to protecting the freedoms of the American people.
#50. To: Cynicom (#48)
#51. To: Phant2000 (#40)
You are guilty of the very things of which you accuse others. Perhaps you should aim your insults, name calling and limited understanding at those who can't see from whom they come.
#52. To: Mr_Barnes (#50)
Then your answer is our military is protecting us from a military coup?
#53. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, Phant2000 (#51)
LOL! Your whole existence on this site is following Cynicom around and agreeing with everything he says. You're his own personal groupie. Personally I think you and he are the same person.
#54. To: Cynicom (#52)
General Butler stopped the entire effort by himself.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" The people of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage." J.K. Galbraith
#55. To: Original_Intent, Cynicom (#49)
It is one thing to hold to an ideal and be loyal to one's friends and comrades but it is another to become blind to reality, and the reality is that the American military no longer serves America and it's use has been perverted to foul and evil ends. There is nothing patriotic or noble about breaking down the door of a poor Afghani family in the middle of night and gunning them all down. That is the behavior of monsters and is no different than the actions of the Third Reich or Stalin's Cheka.
#56. To: purplerose (#53)
#57. To: Cynicom (#52)
General Butler stopped the entire effort by himself.
#58. To: tom007, Cynicom (#54)
General Butler stopped the entire effort by himself.
higher education mind control regimentation. Those others they tend to think for themselves and be loyal to things other than the narrow interests of the ruling elite into which they have been indoctrinated.
#59. To: James Deffenbach (#57)
In many other respects Butler was probably a pretty decent man. But he should have shot that communist FDR himself.
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