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Title: BREAKING NEWS CHEMTRAIL GEOENGINEERING LAWSUIT PSA
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Is7zEvt-cg&feature=youtu.be
Published: May 28, 2012
Author: staff
Post Date: 2012-05-28 19:38:32 by CadetD
Keywords: chem-trail, lawsuit
Views: 353
Comments: 18

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#1. To: CadetD (#0)

Aerosol Crimes - a CHEMTRAIL documentary.
This item updates item 'Pilot Films Jet Spraying Chemtrails '

A documentary by Clifford Carnicom.

http://www.carnicominstitute.org/carnbio.htm

Re 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

No question, we appear to be on the verge of entering into a period of divine judgment. The signs are all around us.

Those who are blind to things of the eternal realm are often also oblivious to the Devil's hand in the temporal and the evil lurking within.

Jer 6:14 They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.

De 28:22 The LORD shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish.

Many will come to the Lord Jesus Christ in repentance in times of trouble.

The whole world and everything in it revolves around nothing but him and his elect.

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CHEMTRAILS are not to be confused with Contrails.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kcTvqiMNl8&feature=related

Ed Griffin on Chemtrails.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsWpSPBwA-w

The modus operandi of our deceivers is always the same. Misrepresent the truth as an absurd and ridiculous conspiracy theory so that people will refuse to seriously investigate the matter for themselves.

Itistoolate  posted on  2012-05-28   20:43:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: CadetD (#0) (Edited)

Some people think chemtrails don't exist. They think those long white lines in the sky are from condensation from aircraft engine exhaust.

(edited for vitriol)


"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz  posted on  2012-05-28   20:53:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: wudidiz (#2)

They think those long white lines in the sky are from condensation from aircraft engine exhaust.

Yeah, and they think it's normal for "passenger" planes to lay down tic-tac-toe grids.

CadetD  posted on  2012-05-28   21:51:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: wudidiz (#2)

They also believe in the Keebler elves.

ratcat  posted on  2012-05-28   23:51:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: wudidiz (#2)

this is not touchy-feely stuff, this is hard science.

you have to know some things... for instance...

(1) how much air goes through a big jet engine every second?

(2) how much fuel goes through a big jet engine every second?

(3) how much water is produced when that fuel is burned?

(4) taking the answer from question (1), above, how many cubic meters does that air occupy at 35,000 feet?

(5) the water produced by combustion is evenly distributed though the volume of air that's expelled as exhaust from the engine... that's the volume you arrived at from the answerr to question (4)... would that volume be visible from the ground if the atmospheric conditions caused the water to condense?

if you guys are not serious enough to do your homework, you're not to be taken seriously about chemtrails.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-05-29   2:43:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: lead.and.lag (#5) (Edited)

Your comment proves - exactly nothing. A normal contrail can exist only at certain altitudes and under certain conditions of temperature and humidity. And Chemtrails are frequently seen at altitudes well below that of normal contrails and with greater density and frequency.

Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation

8. Invoke authority. Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority and present your argument with enough 'jargon' and 'minutia' to illustrate you are 'one who knows', and simply say it isn't so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or citing sources.

14. Demand complete solutions. Avoid the issues by requiring opponents to solve the crime at hand completely, a ploy which works best with issues qualifying for rule 10.

17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can 'argue' with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-05-29   3:14:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Original_Intent (#6) (Edited)

if a big jet engine gobbles up a ton of air every second, along with a gallon of fuel, how much water is produced as the fuel is burned?

that water is mixed with the ton of air as it passes through the engine... how much space is occupied by that ton of exhaust --mostly unburned nitrogen along with smaller amounts of co2 and water vapor-- at 35,000 feet?

would such volume of water vapor be visible from the ground if weather conditions caused the water to condense? ...keeping in mind that a ton of this stuff is produced every second...

you're supposed to be a whiz at math... time to do some homework.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-05-29   3:48:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: CadetD (#3)

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-05-29   3:54:29 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: lead.and.lag, CadetD (#8)

The problem with you diagram is that real contrails rarely persist for more than about 15 or 20 minutes (on very rare occasions they may persist longer but the emphasis is on RARE). Generally you watch a plane producing a contrail and following it back with your eye that only a few miles back it is already breaking up and disappearing.

The key differences on Chemtrails are persistence (they linger and spread but do not dissipate as do normal contrails), and the altitude at which they are formed. Contrails, real ones, only form at high altitude and Chemtrails can be seen to form at altitudes well below where contrails form.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-05-29   4:14:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Original_Intent (#9) (Edited)

people have been aware of the regime that causes persistent contrails since WWII.

you guys have no evidence of chemtrails, at least no evidence with rock solid provenance.

you are unwilling to establish and execute a procedure to take direct samples of one of your "chemtrails", which should be duck souop seeing as how you're so sure you can tell a "chemtrail" from a contrail.

you make wild allegations based on your observations of aircraft flying over, when you dont have a clue as to the airplane's altitude, or the temperature or humidity at that altitude.

in other words, you will believe what you want to believe, and to hell with even the most basic, commonsense mathematics.

meanwhile, you try to pass yourself off as some kind of math whiz kid.

good grief.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-05-29   4:21:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Original_Intent (#9)

it boills down to simplicity itself... given the volume of exhaust produced by a jet engine, would that exhaust be visible from the ground?

you refuse to address that problem, and instead fall back on your customary reliance on jewish debate tactics as described by hitler.

un fucking believable

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-05-29   4:24:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: lead.and.lag (#11)

Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation

2. Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the 'How dare you!' gambit.

3. Create rumor mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method which works especially well with a silent press, because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such 'arguable rumors'. If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a 'wild rumor' from a 'bunch of kids on the Internet' which can have no basis in fact.

4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-05-29   4:29:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: All (#11)

when original intent starts posting his boilerplate "rules of disinformation", you know he's licked.

you'd think he'd be able to come up with a new ploy, after all this time.

but maybe he thinks he, too, has an exemption.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2012-05-29   4:33:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: lead.and.lag, Original_Intent (#13)


"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz  posted on  2012-06-17   2:00:47 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: All, ratcat, CadetD, Itistoolate, *Out There*, *Global Climate Change*, *Humor-Weird News*, *Black Ops - Psyops*, *ban buckeroo* (#14)


"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz  posted on  2012-06-17   2:04:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: wudidiz (#14)

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Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-06-17   2:07:55 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Original_Intent (#16)

Do YOU remember OI?


"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz  posted on  2012-06-17   2:17:29 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: wudidiz (#17)

Yes I remember when the sky was blue - clear blue.

Oh, based on the color saturation those photos had to have been shot with Kodachrome 25.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-06-17   2:25:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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