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Title: The Secret Kill List
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Published: May 31, 2012
Author: The Secret Kill List
Post Date: 2012-05-31 05:52:45 by Ada
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The leader of the government regularly sits down with his senior generals and spies and advisers and reviews a list of the people they want him to authorize their agents to kill. They do this every Tuesday morning when the leader is in town. The leader once condemned any practice even close to this, but now relishes the killing because he has convinced himself that it is a sane and sterile way to keep his country safe and himself in power. The leader, who is running for re-election, even invited his campaign manager to join the group that decides whom to kill.

This is not from a work of fiction, and it is not describing a series of events in the Kremlin or Beijing or Pyongyang. It is a fair summary of a 6,000-word investigative report in The New York Times earlier this week about the White House of Barack Obama. Two Times journalists, Jo Becker and Scott Shane, painstakingly and chillingly reported that the former lecturer in constitutional law and liberal senator who railed against torture and Gitmo now weekly reviews a secret kill list, personally decides who should be killed, and then dispatches killers all over the world — and some of his killers have killed Americans.

We have known for some time that President Obama is waging a private war. By that I mean he is using the CIA on his own — and not the military after congressional authorization — to fire drones at thousands of persons in foreign lands, usually while they are riding in a car or a truck. He has done this both with the consent and over the objection of the governments of the countries in which he has killed. He doesn’t want to talk about this, but he doesn’t deny it. How chilling is it that David Axelrod — the president’s campaign manager — has periodically seen the secret kill list? Might this be to keep the killings politically correct?

Can the president legally do this? In a word: No.

The president cannot lawfully order the killing of anyone, except according to the Constitution and federal law. Under the Constitution, he can only order killing using the military when the U.S. has been attacked, or when an attack is so imminent and certain that delay would cost innocent American lives, or in pursuit of a congressional declaration of war. Under federal law, he can only order killing using civilians when a person has been sentenced lawfully to death by a federal court and the jury verdict and the death sentence have been upheld on appeal. If he uses the military to kill, federal law requires public reports of its use to Congress and congressional approval after 180 days.

The U.S. has not declared war since World War II. If the president knows that an attack on our shores is imminent, he’d be hard-pressed to argue convincingly that a guy in a truck in a desert 10,000 miles from here — no matter his intentions — poses a threat to the U.S. so imminent and certain that he needs to be killed on the spot in order to save the lives of Americans who would surely die during the time it would take to declare war on the country that harbors him, or during the time it would take to arrest him. Under no circumstances may he use civilian agents for non-judicial killing. Surely, CIA agents can use deadly force to protect themselves, but they may not use it offensively. Federal laws against murder apply to the president and to all federal agents and personnel, wherever they go on the planet.

Since 9/11, the United States government has set up national security systems that function not under the Constitution, not under the Geneva Conventions, not under the rule of law, not under the rules of war, not under federal law, but under a new secret system crafted by the Bush administration and personally directed by Obama, the same Obama who condemned these rules as senator and then extended them as president. In the name of fighting demons in pickup trucks and wars that Congress has never declared, the government shreds our rights, taps our cellphones, reads our emails, kills innocents abroad, strip searches 87-year-old grandmothers in wheelchairs and 3-year-old babies in their mothers’ arms, and offers secrecy when the law requires accountability.

Obama has argued that his careful consideration of each person he orders killed and the narrow use of deadly force are an adequate and constitutional substitute for due process. The Constitution provides for no such thing. He has also argued that the use of drones to do his killing is humane since they are “surgical” and only kill their targets. We know that is incorrect. And he has argued that these killings are consistent with our values. What is he talking about? The essence of our values is the rule of law, not the rule of presidents.

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

Judge Napolitano is preaching to the segment of the population that still believe in hooey like Santa Claus and Constitutional government.

"The few who understand the [FEDERAL RESERVE] system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests."

The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.

noone222  posted on  2012-05-31   6:20:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Ada (#0) (Edited)

Federal laws against murder apply to the president and to all federal agents and personnel, wherever they go on the planet.

The truth of this statement is that the President and even their cohorts in crime have killed people all over the world and have invoked diplomatic immunity. Although I do not believe in such immunity laws for even a President, this "immunity" has been used and misused so much. I met a young man on a bus one time in L.A., who was permanently crippled due to the fat that he had been at the wrong place at the right time. He had been hit and run over by some ambassador or someone in high level government representing some country and when this injured person tried to get assistance, there was none available. All this individual was told was that in special circumstances, diplomatic immunity may be invoked by high-level government officials, even if the accident was not intentional. I can only imagine what immunity semantics these bastards would use to their defense against US citizens who are on some Presidential hit list.

purplerose  posted on  2012-05-31   14:42:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Ada (#0)

The Secret Kill List

Can the president legally do this? In a word No

But the Roman Catholic Church can.

It's called "human sacrifice," often ordered to "redistribute the wealth."

sizzlerguy  posted on  2012-05-31   15:34:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Ada (#0)

How chilling is it that David Axelrod — the president’s campaign manager — has periodically seen the secret kill list?

Axelrod is a real freaky deak. He is the one who should be on that list.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2012-05-31   17:31:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: sizzlerguy (#3) (Edited)

"redistribute the wealth."

The core "wealth" is not the target, my little tiny bit of wealth is the f*ing target. Drives the drivers nuts.

"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2012-05-31   20:00:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: BTP Holdings (#4)

Axelrod is a real freaky deak. He is the one who should be on that list.

Turn your enemies into mirrors and sell them rare vitamins.

"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2012-05-31   20:02:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Dakmar (#6)

sell them rare vitamins

You know what the guy said in an announcement at Woodstock '94, "Don't eat the green dots." ROTFLMAO!

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2012-06-04   16:49:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: All (#7)

sell them rare vitamins

You know what the guy said in an announcement at Woodstock '94, "Don't eat the green dots."

BTW, I was working security at Woodstock '94. We had an "all access" wristband. When we went for breakfast and they would change the guard on the front entrance, we would eat and go thru again since the people on the front had never seen us. (They had three food lines.) We were getting maybe 2,000 calories a day and were burning 2,500 or more. So, any extra food we could get was worth the struggle to get it. Once, we even ate the night crew's lunch and they had to replace it.

I recall, there was a guy handing out apples at breakfast. I said to him, "Give me another apple." He said, "No."

I told him, "Give me another apple or I'll take you out behind this tent and whip your butt." He said, "There ya go." ROTFLMAO!

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2012-06-05   17:38:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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