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Title: Ron Paul’s GOP Battle Reveals Some Truths About Political Parties
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URL Source: http://lewrockwell.com/mcmaken/mcmaken142.html
Published: Jun 5, 2012
Author: Ron Paul’s GOP Battle Reveals Some Truth
Post Date: 2012-06-05 08:51:35 by Ada
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When things didn’t go the way the pro-Romney leadership wanted them to go, they simply created a new GOP to replace the old one. That’s what happened in Nevada when Ron Paul supporters managed to gain control of the state’s Republican Party apparatus at the state convention. In response, the pro-Romney and establishment Republican forces broke off and formed Team Nevada which is essentially a shadow Republican party. In addition, by pledging support to Romney, Team Nevada is receiving funding from the Republican National Committee. If all goes as planned on the Romney side, Team Nevada will provide Nevada’s delegates to the Republican National Convention. The duly-elected Ron Paul delegates, who were elected through state and local conventions in Nevada, will be barred from the convention floor.

The many ways in which the old guard of the Republican party has repeatedly sought to disenfranchise Ron Paul voters and delegates are too numerous to count. Some cases have been noted by Doug Wead and by others with anti-Paul strategies ranging from smearing Paul supporters with carefully edited videos to having Paul supporters arrested for no reason.

People unfamiliar with how parties have functioned historically, may be shocked by such things, but these actions are really just more of the same from the GOP and from American political parties in general.

This year’s efforts to simply destroy anyone the party leadership dislikes are hardly the first instances of occasions on which an American political party has taken steps to nullify or ignore primary and caucus results that it did not like. For example, in 2010, Dan Maes, a businessman who ran for governor in Colorado against former Congressman Scott McInnis, was abandoned by the GOP after receiving the nomination. McInnis was heavily favored as the moderate, establishment candidate while Maes was regarded as an upstart from the populist and conservative wing of the party. Near the end of the primary campaign, however, McInnis was accused of taking money from an employer for written work he allegedly stole from someone else.

McInnis’s support collapsed and Maes was able to win the nomination as the Republican candidate for governor. The GOP leadership didn’t care for Maes for a variety of reasons (some of them very good) and instructed him to pull out of the race so a candidate more to the party leadership’s liking could be appointed outside the established nomination process. When Maes refused, the party leadership threw its support behind former-congressman Tom Tancredo who ran on a third-party ticket. Maes was denied all financial support from the Colorado GOP and the RNC.

The analogy here is less than perfect, of course. Maes was a political novice with a shady background, while Ron Paul is a twelve-term Congressman with a well-funded and highly-organized national organization. Paul’s base of support is broad and deep while Maes’s base was narrow and temporary. Maes’s campaign ran on issues quite different from those that drive Paul’s campaign, although both did draw support from the populist and anti-establishment wings of the Republican Party against moderate center-left candidates supported by the GOP establishment.

This example coupled with this year’s all-out effort on the part of the GOP to prevent even the most mild dissent should make it abundantly clear to all by now that the GOP does not exist to grant a fair process to grassroots-supported candidates, or to adhere to any type of ideological consistency, or to even follow its own rules.

In spite of the substantial differences between the candidates in these two cases, the Nevada and Colorado experiences help illustrate a few truths about how political parties function to enhance and maintain the power of the established leadership.

It should be stated that most everything we say here can be also applied to the Democratic Party, as the two major parties behave in fundamentally similar ways. But it has been in the Republican Party where populist uprisings have been most common in recent years and led to some of the most strident efforts on the part of party leaders to crush anti-establishment dissent.

1. Political Parties exist to elect candidates.

The major parties in the United States do not adhere to any specific ideological program. The written party platforms are all but completely irrelevant in the day-to-day actions of the party and its members. We can also note the lack of ideological inconsistency by looking at the parties over time. Prior to Woodrow Wilson, the Democratic Party was usually the party of small, constitutional government, and it did a much better job of filling that role than the Republican Party ever has. By the 1930’s, the party completely changed its orientation, however. The GOP, on the other hand, has always been the party of major corporate conglomerates like railroads and major banking interests. At its founding, it was the party of easy money and federal meddling in the economic system. It wasn’t until the New Deal that the Republican Party, by virtue of being the opposition party during the long reign of FDR, found itself solidified as the party associated with free markets, and its record on that issue has been spotty at best.

If we look deeper into these ideological evolutions over time, we find that it is political expediency that drives the ideological claims of political parties, and certainly not loyalty to any sort of intellectual or ideological tradition.

This is not shocking since fundamentally, political parties exist to run candidates. Any decent American Politics 101 class will define political parties as candidate-running machines. Ideology means little, and we have seen this repeatedly in practice. This fact was summed up nicely in Nevada by a GOP partisan complaining about Ron Paul supporters:

"’Our method is we elect Republicans. That's what the party's for,’ said Dave Buell, chairman of the Washoe County GOP in the state's northwest corner, the second largest county in the state. ‘Down south, the Ron Paul people down there are pushing ideology rather than electing Republicans.’"

2. Political parties are really just coalitions of interest groups

Far from being organizations devoted to any particular ideological vision, parties are far more correctly described as coalitions of interest groups that have come together to serve their specific interests. Sometimes, these interest groups are fundamentally opposed to each other, as in the case of the environmentalists and organized labor together in the Democratic Party. In the GOP, the presence of small-business and free-market groups together with military contractors and other pro-war groups has led to the incoherent yet enduring myth that small government and free markets are compatible with a huge national-security state. We see here yet again the special-interest tail wagging the ideological dog. The parties don’t want to cut off their own bread and butter, so they function as an organization that forces compromises on the least-wealthy interest groups in the name of party unity or defeating the other party. We see this again and again as the forces of small government in the GOP are repeatedly told to get in line behind the more well-heeled interests driving an aggressive foreign policy or protecting endless taxpayer largesse for old people. The result is that votes are delivered for candidates promising to shovel more cash to the most powerful interests. The factions within the parties who bring neither money nor power to the party, such as free-market and pro-peace groups, slavishly vote again and again for the party, naively convincing themselves that the party will do something for them if they can just win one more election.

Those who benefit most from this management of factions and interest groups are the parties themselves, since electoral victories bring with them jobs, power, and many financial rewards. The rich, well-connected interests within the party are regularly rewarded while the other groups within the coalition are told they should just be happy that the other party didn’t win.

The members of the party leadership justifies this all in their minds by convincing themselves that they’re pragmatists in the service of freedom and justice and all things good. To them, it’s just a happy coincidence that all this service to truth and justice happens to bring with it lucrative jobs and positions of power.

3. The party leadership would rather have a safe, establishment candidate from the other party than a "dangerous" upstart from its own.

Having become used to the jobs and the junkets and the privilege and the financial rewards gleaned from protecting the entrenched interests behind each political party, the leadership in each party has no interest whatsoever in overturning their well-stocked apple carts. Insurgent candidates who challenged the entrenched party leadership are repeatedly mocked, opposed and generally blocked from party leadership roles and from receiving nominations. This will be justified with all kinds of excuses ranging from ideological rifts to appeals to be good team players, but the fact is that it’s about catering to the interests who control and fund the party. Indeed, most candidates who promise to not upset the party’s core interests will encounter little in the way of truly stiff opposition. This is why Goldwater could get the nomination but not Paul. Goldwater promised not to stand in the way of endless taxpayer cash for war.

At the pinnacle of the major parties the interests of those in charge vary little. Devotion to big business, to the warfare state, to easy monetary policy, and to buying off seniors with more and more cash and government favor spans the two parties, and ultimately, were a candidate who threatened these major interests to actually receive a presidential nomination, he would be abandoned by his own party.

Indeed, the Colorado case serves to illustrate what would likely happen if Ron Paul were to somehow manage to actually obtain the party’s nomination at the convention. The party leadership would immediately begin searching for a third party candidate it could support. It would deny all RNC money and other traditionally GOP-controlled funds to Paul, and it would begin poisoning the GOP base against its own nominated candidate.

The GOP leadership knows that such a path would guarantee the re-election of Obama, but the GOP establishment would clearly prefer a Democrat victory to a Ron Paul victory. The threat to the GOP’s core interests groups would be just too great were Paul actually elected, and it would better, in the eyes of the established party leaderships, to be seen as supporting their special interests rather than side with any victorious anti-establishment grassroots groups from within the party.

This year, the GOP leadership supports just the latest Ivy-League-educated supporter of more debt, more spending and endless war. This new one even helped invent Obamacare.

This is the choice the GOP has decided the party will provide, and anyone who disputes this vision is a radical or a kook who must be disenfranchised. The fruit of this is now being seen as the Romney camp desperately tries to rewrite its own rules and disenfranchise Paul supporters in Oklahoma, Nevada, Massachusetts and elsewhere.

They’ll probably succeed, but the benefit of all of this will be that many Americans have now seen our political parties for what they really are.

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

This action in Nevada and the similar one in Louisiana appear to be aimed at denying RP the 5 plurality wins of state delegations which would automatically place his name in nomination in the first round of voting at the Tampa GOP convention.

They want no interference with a smooth coronation of Romney. I see their point since Ron Paul won't have the delegates to win in any event. But I see this as a rebuff to the RP supporters themselves, something that is a bad choice both short-term and long-term for the GOP.

The Liberty vote is rising strongly in the under-forties. The generally elderly GOP really cannot afford to ignore it.

TooConservative  posted on  2012-06-05   9:03:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Ada (#0)

The FEDERAL election process is a fraud.

"The few who understand the [FEDERAL RESERVE] system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests."

The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.

noone222  posted on  2012-06-05   9:45:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: noone222 (#2)

Ron Paul’s GOP Battle Reveals Some Truth...Ron Paul was NEVER RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.

Was it Barnum that said there is a sucker born every minute?????

Ron Paul has proven that theory correct.

Ron Paul was running for Rand Paul.

It is not easy to confess that one was swindled.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-06-05   10:13:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Cynicom (#3)

This nation won't exist in '16, so if Ron has been pulling the wagon for Rand, it might be the worst trade off since Boston traded Babe Ruth to the Yankees.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-06-05   11:10:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Jethro Tull, Phant2000, Christine (#4)

if Ron has been pulling the wagon for Rand, it might be the worst trade off since Boston traded Babe Ruth to the Yankees.

Jethro...

I have spent a lot of my time looking at Rand.

I do NOT like what I see.

One thing bothers me. I felt confident that last week Ron would come out with some statement to paper over Rand endorsing Oromney, and Oromney winning Texas.

It didnt happen. Why????? Just perhaps the Pauls now want to see the wedding ring before this marriage is consummated.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-06-05   11:23:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Jethro Tull, Phant2000, Christine, Rubes (#4)

"I think that I have already answered the first question adequately. In the present state of affairs I am convinced that we cannot possibly dispense with the trades unions. On the contrary, they are among the most important institutions in the economic life of the nation. Not only are they important in the sphere of social policy but also, and even more so, in the national political sphere. For when the great masses of a nation see their vital needs satisfied through a just trade unionist movement the stamina of the whole nation in its struggle for existence will be enormously reinforced thereby."

ANYONE CARE TO GUESS WHO MADE THAT STATEMENT?????

Cynicom  posted on  2012-06-05   11:46:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Cynicom (#6)

ANYONE CARE TO GUESS WHO MADE THAT STATEMENT?????

I'd like to buy an "H" please.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2012-06-05   12:35:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Esso (#7) (Edited)

I'd like to buy an "H" please.

You win Sir...

Now if you can tell me what he did, re unions and WHY, you will win a cigar and a six pack.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-06-05   12:39:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Cynicom (#6)

So what is the connection in this context, professor??

Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. - H. L. Mencken

randge  posted on  2012-06-05   12:44:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: randge (#9)

So what is the connection in this context, professor??

Rand Paul, son of Ron Paul is soon to be the recipient of the efforts of his Father.

Rand Paul is A VIRULENT UNION HATER. On this forum you will find his own words, BIG LABOR is the cause of the corruption in government, the cause of the deficit, and the cause of our outrageous nation debt. (his words)

He left out wars.

This from the initial post....

"Those who benefit most from this management of factions and interest groups are the parties themselves, since electoral victories bring with them jobs, power, and many financial rewards. The rich, well-connected interests within the party are regularly rewarded while the other groups within the coalition are told they should just be happy that the other party didn’t win."

translation...Rubes like Cyni lose NO MATTER WHO THEY SUPPORT....

That is the truth, you vote, you are part of this system.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-06-05   12:59:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Cynicom (#10)

Thank you. I am a bit slow and dense you know.

Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. - H. L. Mencken

randge  posted on  2012-06-05   13:25:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Cynicom (#5)

This nation will not be here in 4.5 years (November, 2016), so for me, Rand, whatever his politics are, are inconsequential.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-06-05   13:36:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: randge (#11)

Thank you. I am a bit slow and dense you know.

I may be a Rube but I am smart nuff to know better than that.

Point of interest..I was just checking to see WHY people do not vote.

A group in CA put a lot of effort in trying to determine the cause.

CA has 6.4 million citizens that do not vote. To determine why, the survey people asked several questions. The most numerous reason given was that the potential voters were too busy.

THEY DID NOT ASK THE ONE QUESTION THAT WOULD HAVE GIVEN A MORE CORRECT ANSWER.

They were not asked if they were non voters because the people had NO FAITH in a system that might be rigged.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-06-05   14:04:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Jethro Tull (#12)

This nation will not be here in 4.5 years (November, 2016), so for me, Rand, whatever his politics are, are inconsequential.

Not true, not true.

You know why as well as I do.

Two things are apparent... This corrupt government has decided that the national debt cannot be managed, so continue on this track by printing money.

Second, they are preparing for the "Last World War", with China.

You and I both know those as being truths that are, "self evident". Lucky me Jethro, I wont be here, unlucky you, you will be around to see the demise of this country.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-06-05   14:20:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: TooConservative (#1)

This action in Nevada and the similar one in Louisiana appear to be aimed at denying RP the 5 plurality wins of state delegations which would automatically place his name in nomination in the first round of voting at the Tampa GOP convention.

I thought he already had that.


Does anyone honestly believe that the global elites whose wealth and power depend on manipulation of the global chess board would leave something like the Presidency up to chance?

farmfriend  posted on  2012-06-05   17:27:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Cynicom (#5)

I do NOT like what I see.

That was my first impression of him as well. Everyone seemed to jump on his band wagon because of his father. I did. I can't remember what he did but there was something that raised red flags and set me on edge.


Does anyone honestly believe that the global elites whose wealth and power depend on manipulation of the global chess board would leave something like the Presidency up to chance?

farmfriend  posted on  2012-06-05   17:29:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: farmfriend (#15) (Edited)

I thought he already had that.

So did I. So I checked yesterday and I think he has 3 states. These other two would have made his five.

TooConservative  posted on  2012-06-05   17:59:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: TooConservative (#17) (Edited)

I remember seeing an article on it though. I'll have to look at that again.

Edit: ok I did a search.

Ron Paul qualifies to put name on ballot at August's RNC in Tampa

In order to appear on the first ballot at the RNC, a presidential candidate must have a plurality of delegates in at least five states. It was confirmed that only Paul and Romney met this requirement. To win the GOP nomination, a candidate must garner 50 percent plus one out of the 1,144 votes.


Does anyone honestly believe that the global elites whose wealth and power depend on manipulation of the global chess board would leave something like the Presidency up to chance?

farmfriend  posted on  2012-06-05   20:35:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: farmfriend (#18)

Good information at your link - thanks!

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2012-06-05   20:46:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: farmfriend, TooConservative, Cynicom (#18)

Ron Paul qualifies to put name on ballot at August's RNC in Tampa http://digitaljournal.com/article/324280

I think the article hit it on the head with the comment that the RNC leadership would rather see Oh'bummer re-selected than have a successful Ron Paul win the Presidency.

Their masters the Rothschilds would be most distressed and when they become distressed people die.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-06-05   20:59:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: farmfriend (#16)

That was my first impression of him as well

Rand has a firm dislke for the workers of this country.

He voted for medicare cuts for individuals...BUT AGAINST CUTS IN MONEY PAID TO DOCTORS.

then he had the audacity to say that doctors have...A RIGHT TO A COMFORTABLE LIVING...

Working people have NO rights in his view.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-06-05   21:02:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Cynicom (#3)

It is not easy to confess that one was swindled.

The harder part is recovering what you were swindled out of !

"The few who understand the [FEDERAL RESERVE] system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests."

The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.

noone222  posted on  2012-06-05   21:06:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: noone222 (#22)

The harder part is recovering what you were swindled out of !

Too late, the horse is out of the barn, the barn is afire and the insurance has lapsed.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-06-05   21:09:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Cynicom, farmfriend (#21)

On Rand we are in complete agreement.

When he first came on the scene I gave him the benefit of the doubt because of his illustrious sire.

However, he then started to open his mouth and all that has come out has been NeoCon Rupture Monkey rhetoric.

I would not vote for him on a bet.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-06-05   21:15:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Original_Intent (#24)

However, he then started to open his mouth and all that has come out has been NeoCon Rupture Monkey rhetoric.

I spent a lot of time on Rand.

In my black book of politics, Rand is die hard proponent of capitalism, anti labor, many politicians are of the same bent, Rand however takes it to the point of being rabid.

Worst of all, I suspect, to strengthen his position he would go with the war policies of both "parties".

Cynicom  posted on  2012-06-05   21:23:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Cynicom (#25)

In my black book of politics, Rand is die hard proponent of capitalism, anti labor, many politicians are of the same bent, Rand however takes it to the point of being rabid.

Worst of all, I suspect, to strengthen his position he would go with the war policies of both "parties".

Rand strikes me as the "true believer" type - willing to kill to "prove" he is right and full of self righteous fury of the true believer nut case.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-06-05   22:45:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Original_Intent (#26)

Rand strikes me as the "true believer" type - willing to kill to "prove" he is right and full of self righteous fury

Rand is right, just ask him.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-06-05   23:08:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Cynicom (#8)

Now if you can tell me what he did, re unions and WHY, you will win a cigar and a six pack.

As with everything Hitler, it's hard to determine where the legend ends and the truth begins, but it's my understanding that he essentially nationalized the trade unions into the Nazi party effectively destroying them. As for the why, it screwed the little guys while making a butt-load of money for the party.

Always the money, money, money.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2012-06-05   23:09:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Esso (#28)

for the why,

Hitlers original statement was true and what he knew to be correct.

However when he got elected, he realized that UNIONS are most often the driving force to FORCIBLY REMOVE, so he followed the communist example set by Russia.

Outlaw all unions, destroy their power and will to oppose the government.

It is easy to follow the herd and blame LABOR unions for the ills of this country. Actual LABOR members are less than eight per cent of the American work force.

Go way back to Karl Marx, his agenda to destroy all governments was going nowhere, until he determined he needed a vehicle of muscle to obtain his ends.

Thus began the Jew takeover of all unions, not for the workers, rather for their climb to power.

Removal of all unions sounds good. that removes the only segment of Americans that would actually fight to overthrow government.

Thus all governments fear any union they do not own and operate.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-06-05   23:36:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Cynicom (#8)

Now if you can tell me what he did, re unions and WHY, you will win a cigar and a six pack.

I'll tell you what he did re: unions--HE DOUBLED DOWN! Unions were ESSENTIAL to the socialist dogma and dream. Same reason that Obama uses them and the dupes seem to be woefully unaware of the duping they are getting. Satisfy their "vital needs" and the dupes will do anything the totalitarian wants. Unions are the great mechanism of CONTROL, necessary "building stones" in Germany and here in Duhmerica too!

He says it best himself.....

I think that I have already answered the first question adequately. In the present state of affairs I am convinced that we cannot possibly dispense with the trades unions. On the contrary, they are among the most important institutions in the economic life of the nation. Not only are they important in the sphere of social policy but also, and even more so, in the national political sphere. For when the great masses of a nation see their vital needs satisfied through a just trade unionist movement the stamina of the whole nation in its struggle for existence will be enormously reinforced thereby.

Before everything else, the trades unions are necessary as building stones for the future economic parliament, which will be made up of chambers representing the various professions and occupations.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-06-06   0:06:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Cynicom (#29)

Thus all governments fear any union they do not own and operate.

There is no union that is feared in this nation, Cyni.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-06-06   0:11:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Cynicom (#23)

Too late, the horse is out of the barn, the barn is afire and the insurance has lapsed.

Dang it !

"The few who understand the [FEDERAL RESERVE] system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests."

The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.

noone222  posted on  2012-06-06   7:26:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Cynicom (#25)

Rand however takes it to the point of being rabid.

I think it's orchestrated by both sides (of the same coin mind ya) to appear "rabid" so as to promote animosity among the masses. Keeping us from organizing for a system the eliminates crony capitalism and a socialist driven economic structure is of the highest priority for the oligarchs.

Rand Paul is just another republi-con in my estimation.

"The few who understand the [FEDERAL RESERVE] system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests."

The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.

noone222  posted on  2012-06-06   7:41:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: noone222 (#33)

Rand Paul is just another republi-con in my estimation.

Certainly is...

Rand reminds me of the perfumed and wigged princes of yore.

Looking down their noses at the unwashed masses.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-06-06   8:34:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: abraxas (#31)

There is no union that is feared in this nation, Cyni.

Actual LABOR unions are indeed feared by the government for a very good reason.

Such LABOR unions are peopled by members that will take to the streets, with arms if necessary. Currently the most feared is the teamsters union as they have demonstrated in the past a willingness to shoot.

The teamsters are the only current union strong enough to bring this country to a halt in a matter of days if they so desire. If you recall from the past, any move to break the strike results in instant violence.

Mind you there is a difference between labor unions and professional associations calling themselves a union. There is no way a teachers "union" will take to the streets and get their hands dirty.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-06-06   8:57:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Cynicom (#35)

Actual LABOR unions are indeed feared by the government for a very good reason.

hat will take to the streets, with arms if necessary.

lol.....that was a time in the distant past Cyni, not today. The SEIU is the largest labor union in this nation and ever at the ready to do Obama brown shirting for his pet issues. SEIU openly campaigns for him and makes calls to the media to cover all his issues, rallies, and staged "for the people" issues.

Not one SEIU member would take to the streets with arms. The last time the teamsters even though about taking to the streets with arms was decades ago, Cyni.

If you are looking for an organization that would take to the streets with arms, look to Oathkeepers or Sons of Liberty for goobermint opposition because there is NOT ONE union in this nation who would do what you claim they will do.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-06-06   9:51:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: abraxas (#36)

Teamsters union has a history of violence that speaks for itself and they are the ONLY union that can bring this country to a standstill.

By the by, what did you think of Rand endorsing Oromney with his own Father running for president???? Is that not odd?

Then TX voters went Oromney over one of their own???

Cynicom  posted on  2012-06-06   10:07:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Cynicom (#37)

Teamsters union has a history of violence that speaks for itself

Like I said, no recent history. Teamsters have not been opposition for a long time.

Rand isn't his father, is he?

Who can account for TX voters? It was a primary was it not? I do believe the Paul campaign decided not to double down in expensive primary states. You do understand that primaries are beauty contests, don't you? Romney really shines in beauty contests...lol

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-06-06   10:15:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: abraxas (#38)

Amusing tap dance.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-06-06   11:15:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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