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Title: Don't Thank Me for My Service
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URL Source: http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/9320-dont-thank-me-for-my-service
Published: Jun 7, 2012
Author: By Camillo Mac Bica, Truthout | Op-Ed
Post Date: 2012-06-07 13:44:03 by tom007
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Don't Thank Me for My Service Sunday, 03 June 2012 08:23 By Camillo Mac Bica, Truthout | Op-Ed 812 font size decrease font size increase font size Print Email U.S. Marine in Zaranj, Nimroz province, December 30, 2011.U.S. Marine in Zaranj, Nimroz province, December 30, 2011. (Photo: Cpl. Bryan Nygaard / U.S. Marine Corps) I do not want to appear disrespectful or ungrateful, but should we meet on the street one day, do say "Hello," or "Fine day" or other such nicety, but please do not thank me for "my service" as a United States Marine. I make this request because my service, as you refer to it, was basically, either to train to become a killer or to actually kill people and blow shit up. Now, that is not something for which a person should be proud nor thanked. In fact, it is regrettable, and for me a source of guilt and shame, something I will have to live with for the rest of my life, as the past cannot ever be undone. So, when you thank me for my service, it disturbs me ... a lot. First off, it brings to mind my wasted youth and lost innocence, and the horrible and unnecessary deaths of good friends and comrades. Second, it reminds me of my responsibility and culpability for the pain and suffering I caused innocent people, again something I would rather forget, but cannot. Third, it reinforces my belief that you have absolutely no idea about the nature and reality of the wars in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan, because if you did, you would understand that thanks are inappropriate. Fourth, it reminds me that many of those who feel the need to offer thanks were apathetic about - or even supportive of - the war, while they refuse to participate themselves or did little or nothing to end it. And lastly, I have to admit that I doubt the sincerity of these expressions of supposed gratitude, as "Thank you for your service" is just something to say not because you care about what I did or sacrificed, but only to demonstrate your supposed good character, or patriotism and/or "support" for members of the military and veterans. In making this request not to be thanked for my service, I am, of course, expressing only my opinion, and, perhaps, my idiosyncrasy, and I make no claim to be speaking for other veterans. I would wager, however, that many, perhaps even most, who have experienced the horror of war and have the courage and presence of mind to think about and evaluate what the war they served in was truly about would understand and probably concur with this request. Those veterans, however, who may not agree, who cling to the mythology of heroism, glory, honor and nobility of war, do so in large measure from fear that acknowledging war's reality would somehow diminish their sacrifice and the sacrifices of those whose lives were lost. Perhaps understandably, they view such sacrifices and loss as difficult enough to live with when they had value and purpose, and as intolerable if they were misguided and unnecessary. To these brothers and sisters, I would offer the following questions and observations for them to ponder. First, what was accomplished by your sacrifice and by the waste of lives and treasure in Vietnam, in Iraq and in Afghanistan? Where is the honor, glory and nobility in killing and dying for greed, incompetence, and paranoia? Second, the mythology you cling to for comfort is a tool of political leaders to make war palatable, to garner support for their militarism and abandonment of diplomacy. It is what motivates future idealistic, perhaps naive, young people to "heed the call," to seek honor and glory, by enlisting in the military to fight for a cause they have been deceived into believing is right, just and necessary, but which is, in reality, a string of wars for corporate greed, power and hegemony. All who are touched by war are tainted and require readjustment, perhaps even rehabilitation, but in order to truly come home from war, to make the perilous journey of healing, one must face the realities of one's own war experience head on, as no healing is possible from fantasy, myth, rationalization and distortion of truth. So, in the future, if you really insist on thanking me for something, do not thank me for the eight years I spent as a Marine, but for the 45 or so years following my discharge from the military that I have spent as an activist fighting for human rights and social justice and to end the insanity of war. Frankly, however, I would prefer that you just say hello, or fine day or other such nicety. You see, my activism all these years warrants no praise or merit, as it is not something I choose to do. Rather, I do it because I must, perhaps as penance for my culpability for the sacrilege of war. And if you truly want to demonstrate your good character, patriotism, and support for the troops and veterans, rather than merely mouth meaningless expressions of gratitude for something you don't truly understand or care much about, do something meaningful and real. Do what is truly in the interest of this nation and of those victimized by war. Make some demands. Demand, for example, an immediate end to the corporate takeover of our "democracy" and to the undue influence of the military-industrial-Congressional complex. Demand sanity in Pentagon spending and a reallocation of finite resources to people-focused programs such as health care, education and jobs rather than to killing and destruction. Demand an immediate end to wars for corporate profit, greed, power and hegemony. Demand that we adhere to the Constitution and to international law. Demand accountability for those who make war easily and care more for wealth, profit and power than for national interest or for the welfare of their fellow human beings. And finally, demand the troops be brought home now, and that they be adequately treated and cared for when they return. So, should we meet on the street one day, do say Hello, or Fine day, and as you talk to me about your efforts to make this country and the world a better and more peaceful place in which to live, I would be happy to thank you for your service. This article is a Truthout original. Camillo Mac Bica Camillo "Mac" Bica, PhD, is a professor of philosophy at the School of Visual Arts in New York City. He is a former Marine Corps officer, Vietnam veteran, longtime activist for peace and social justice, and the coordinator of the Long Island Chapter of Veterans for Peace. Disqus Like Dislike and 145 others liked this. Login Add New Comment Image Showing 25 of 157 comments Schultzbl As a Vietnam Veteran, I completely agree with your position. When people make such comments to me I tell them that if they really want to thank me, do all you can to insure no one else is ever made to fight an unnecessary war. Like Reply
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#1. To: tom007 (#0)
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Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson Uhhhh, no kidding. I suspect all soldiers thru time have had the same training, kill or be killed. Pretty basic, That word "serve" sticks in the craw of many people. I didnt serve anyone, at any time. However the government thru their lackeys, MSM, have over the years programmed Americans to consider killing for the government to be honorable. Those that become involved have to learn to live with it. If you survived count yourself lucky, others were not so lucky and are not here to complain.
Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson I agree with this young man. I would even go so far as to say I am now ashamed for having worn the uniform. With the murder, mayhem, destruction, torture, pillage, and needless misery that has been wrought in the wars of this and the last century there is nothing left to be proud of. Yes, I would like to think that my reasons for joining were good - to stand in the breach, in defense of my people and their land, but that is not the job currently being done by our Armed Forces. They have become agents of tyranny - mere enforcers for a corrupt government operated on puppet strings by a psychotic cabal. The US operations in the Middle East is nothing more and nothing less than murder for hire - the U.S. Armed Forces are now Murder Inc.. One can see the recognition of that reality by the numbers of young men committing suicide as the depression of the reality sets in along with the knowledge that the foulness of the deeds which they have performed in the service of tyranny cannot be made to just go away. Very provocative. You'll never see anything like this in a major American newspaper or periodical, certainly not any bestselling book. I've no doubt that there are very sizable numbers of vets who do feel this way.
You should post this on LP and watch GarySFC, redleghunter, and their band of death worshipers on LP explode in rage at the idea that they aren't "heroes" who are single-handedly responsible for us being "free." Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan
I agree Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan
I already made too many friends today on the "Obama Ignores D-Day" thread.
I just read it. It's not surprising to find "liberator the lefty" with his nose buried up the ass of the government. He used to post here but he didn't like the fact that we do not worship the military nor have a desire to rid the world of Muslims in the name of Jesus. He got tired of getting his ass spanked so left us for LP where he can dance in the blood of those he supposedly has so much respect for. His "respect" is likely nothing more than guilt for never having served himself. Not that there is anything to feel guilty about but for some reason many people do. Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan
It is surprising how few Americans oppose war consistently (not just the wars when the opposition party is in power). Whatever happened to the supposed antiwar groups on the Left like Code Pink? Turns out they're nothing but political hacks. They aren't antiwar at all other than a handful like Glenn Greenwald. If Romney gets elected, you can expect the supposed antiwar Left to suddenly rediscover just how much they've always hated war to the core of their being.
HAHA made me laff, H. Critical thinking, opps, thinking was never their strong suite. Yes, it's disgusting isn't it? You seen the same thing with the supposed small government Republicans when baby Bush was president and the Republicrats had complete control of the federal government. The mantra on LP and FR used to be, "oh I suppose you would rather Gore be President" as if that some how made the Republicans treachery OK. If Romney gets elected, you can expect the supposed antiwar Left to suddenly rediscover just how much they've always hated war to the core of their being. Oh you can bet on it. Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan
Nope. Just mindless, jingoistic knee-jerking Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan
Uh oh. It looks like someone posted it. The wailing and gnashing of teeth should begin soon. It wouldn't surprise me if Moldi-Box stealth bans range.
Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan
So far none of the usual suspects have posted anything. I imagine their handlers told them not to.
Yep. Some real troublemaker. LOL.
Yes, that is quite surprising. Not even the death worshipers like redleghunter and GarySPFC have spoken out. Very surprising indeed. Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan
This is an excellent article, very well written. Thanks for posting it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi "If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken "..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
#2. To: tom007 (#0)
I make this request because my service, as you refer to it, was basically, either to train to become a killer or to actually kill people and blow shit up.
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#4. To: tom007 (#0)
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#5. To: tom007 (#0)
#6. To: TooConservative (#5)
Very provocative. You'll never see anything like this in a major American newspaper or periodical, certainly not any bestselling book.
#7. To: Original_Intent (#4)
I would even go so far as to say I am now ashamed for having worn the uniform.
#8. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#6)
You should post this on LP...
#9. To: TooConservative (#8)
I already made too many friends today on the "Obama Ignores D-Day" thread.
#10. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#9)
#11. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#6)
You should post this on LP and watch GarySFC, redleghunter, and their band of death worshipers on LP explode in rage at the idea that they aren't "heroes" who are single-handedly responsible for us being "free."
"Satan / Cheney in "08" 
#12. To: TooConservative (#10)
It is surprising how few Americans oppose war consistently (not just the wars when the opposition party is in power). Whatever happened to the supposed antiwar groups on the Left like Code Pink? Turns out they're nothing but political hacks. They aren't antiwar at all other than a handful like Glenn Greenwald.
#13. To: tom007 (#11)
Critical thinking, opps, thinking was never their strong suite.
#14. To: TooConservative (#8)
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#15. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#14)
#16. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, randge (#14)
Uh oh. It looks like someone posted it.
#17. To: Original_Intent (#15)
So far none of the usual suspects have posted anything. I imagine their handlers told them not to.
#18. To: tom007 (#0)
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