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Title: The Man That Shot Liberty In The Back- Rand Paul (watch!)
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Post Date: 2012-06-08 10:51:35 by christine
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#1. To: All (#0)

his final words.."what do you say? it's over."

christine  posted on  2012-06-08   10:57:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: christine (#1)

his final words.."what do you say? it's over."

It's over for him anyway. There are always going to be lightweights who entertain completely unrealistic expectations and then, when they are disappointed, drop out completely while complaining bitterly about how they were betrayed.

The real Liberty movement isn't dropping out at all. Anyway, I'm not and neither are the people I know. I think it'll be the Truthy Alex Jones people that drop out.

TooConservative  posted on  2012-06-08   11:06:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: TooConservative (#3)

Well in sooth, there are those among us that believe that there is something DEEPLY wrong with ‘the system.’ Things are irreparably and dangerously out of kilter in many respects.

But at a more conventional level of contemplation even the less radical of us see that we are being served two choices: WAR and DEFICITS or –WAR and DEFICITS. Folks are still voting R or D and whatever they are served up, the result will be more fruitless foreign adventures and more insane borrowing. The only difference is whether you’re inclined to shovel those heaps of FRNs into yet more Bolshevik fiddling around or into a major two front war.

Forgive me if I vote my conscience and vote third party or stay the hell out of it for good and all.

randge  posted on  2012-06-08   11:28:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: randge (#4)

Well in sooth, there are those among us that believe that there is something DEEPLY wrong with ‘the system.’ Things are irreparably and dangerously out of kilter in many respects.

The mistake is believing all of this happened very suddenly or recently. It didn't. It's long-term incrementalism, much of it with statist roots from the Civil War era which hijacked the original era of constitutionalism.

You cannot fix it overnight. Nor can you beat back the entrenched institutional and financial interests that propagate this system in their own interests.

Forgive me if I vote my conscience and vote third party or stay the hell out of it for good and all.

I'll never suggest that you don't own your own vote or cannot cast it for anyone you choose. You own your vote, no one else.

TooConservative  posted on  2012-06-08   12:15:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: TooConservative (#10)

The mistake is believing all of this happened very suddenly or recently. It didn't. It's long-term incrementalism, much of it with statist roots from the Civil War era which hijacked the original era of constitutionalism.

You cannot fix it overnight. Nor can you beat back the entrenched institutional and financial interests that propagate this system in their own interests.

I won't gainsay anything that you've posted here, except to point out that what is wrong may have roots that go a bit deeper than the period of the War Between the States.

No, you cannot fix it overnight. It is due to our culturally ingrained belief in progress that we are led to suppose that we can fix these things. The history of states and empires tends to demonstrate that an accretion of usurpations and institutionalized corruption is never simply "fixed." It usually ends in conflagration and catastrophe. The result is sometimes better, more often it is worse.

randge  posted on  2012-06-08   12:47:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: randge (#14)

I think that no matter what you do, you can only fix things for 20 years or so. The Founders' original republic endured a little longer, about 70 years, until Lincoln destroyed it.

But it is not impossible to turn the clock back, to rein in a galloping planetary government.

And a time of harsh economic reality is about the only time you can force such changes through. During prosper times, no one seriously jostles the regime or challenges its fundamental policies. Like our path to empire, starting with our conquest of portions of the Spanish empire at the end of the nineteenth century.

Those who cannot stay on task through repeated election cycles can never hope to prevail over the bureaucrats, the bankers, the arms manufacturers, the globalist meddlers and nation-builders, well, you get the idea no doubt.

As with Obama, you don't just win one election and get to entirely re-order American life and politics.

TooConservative  posted on  2012-06-08   13:12:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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