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Title: The Man That Shot Liberty In The Back- Rand Paul (watch!)
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Published: Jun 8, 2012
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Post Date: 2012-06-08 10:51:35 by christine
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#2. To: christine (#0)

I'm sure there are some unhappy RP supporters out there.

I am equally sure they understand very little of how politics actually works, how you build an ideological movement (as Buckley did with conservative movement in the Sixties through the mid-Seventies), how you gain chits with various factions of the party, how you take over state GOP organizations (as the evangelicals did in the Nineties).

If you intend to demand purist perfection, you may as well give up voting.

I'll sit back and wait for 4um's usual doom-mongers to show up and piss themselves over all things Pauline. Like clockwork. And, of course, they are to a man the biggest supporters Ron Paul ever had, maxxed out their donations to him in every election, blah-blah-blah...sure they did.

TooConservative  posted on  2012-06-08   11:00:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: TooConservative (#2)

Carlist fascist Buckley was a deep-cover CIA officer who deployed both real Nazis and neo-Nazis - see his CIA background.

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2012-06-08   13:07:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#15)

Carlist fascist Buckley was a deep-cover CIA officer who deployed both real Nazis and neo-Nazis - see his CIA background.

Whatever. My point was about his perseverance in establishing the conservative movement over several decades. These things are often a battle of ideology conducted in academia and in think tanks. You do have to convince policy makers and their acolytes. Some people seem to forget that, during that era, 90% of the country identified itself as liberal. This was the first major challenge Buckley (and Reagan) faced: saying they were conservative without people making fun of them.

Making history is not for the faint-of-heart or the perfectionists.

TooConservative  posted on  2012-06-08   13:16:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: TooConservative (#17)

Some people seem to forget that, during that era, 90% of the country identified itself as liberal. This was the first major challenge Buckley (and Reagan) faced: saying they were conservative without people making fun of them.

Fat lot of good it did us. Look around you. Buck Fuckley.

Making history is not for the faint-of-heart or the perfectionists.

I am not a perfectionist. But I am not a collaborator, and I won't support collaborators either.

randge  posted on  2012-06-08   13:28:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: randge (#20)

I am not a perfectionist. But I am not a collaborator, and I won't support collaborators either.

Well, we're flinging about a lot of loaded rhetoric here. I get your point, you get mine. I don't see any point in a knockdown drag-out fight over it.

Could I win the debate by accusing you of being a confessed gay canary? That works on some forums.

Anyway, the Liberty movement has made tremendous progress since 2008. We should think twice before throwing that away.

There are games in life that we must play to move ahead, building a stake, then cashing in our chips. And Lady Luck is not always kind even to a just cause. The voters are fickle. And stupid.

If you're too cynical, you may as well not vote at all. The Founders' certainly didn't think much of voting. But that is our system and our only path to success.

TooConservative  posted on  2012-06-08   13:33:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#23. To: TooConservative (#21)

Anyway, the Liberty movement has made tremendous progress since 2008. We should think twice before throwing that away.

Forgive me if I've put too fine a point on it. Lots of us are heaps pissed off today.

Let me say that I respect your grasp of issues and personalities. There is always something to be learned from reading your posts. I also admire your continued sanguine outlook on things. May it be as you say.

randge  posted on  2012-06-08 13:48:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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