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Title: The Man That Shot Liberty In The Back- Rand Paul (watch!)
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Carlist fascist Buckley was a deep-cover CIA officer who deployed both real Nazis and neo-Nazis - see his CIA background.

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2012-06-08   13:07:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I think that no matter what you do, you can only fix things for 20 years or so. The Founders' original republic endured a little longer, about 70 years, until Lincoln destroyed it.

But it is not impossible to turn the clock back, to rein in a galloping planetary government.

And a time of harsh economic reality is about the only time you can force such changes through. During prosper times, no one seriously jostles the regime or challenges its fundamental policies. Like our path to empire, starting with our conquest of portions of the Spanish empire at the end of the nineteenth century.

Those who cannot stay on task through repeated election cycles can never hope to prevail over the bureaucrats, the bankers, the arms manufacturers, the globalist meddlers and nation-builders, well, you get the idea no doubt.

As with Obama, you don't just win one election and get to entirely re-order American life and politics.

TooConservative  posted on  2012-06-08   13:12:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Carlist fascist Buckley was a deep-cover CIA officer who deployed both real Nazis and neo-Nazis - see his CIA background.

Whatever. My point was about his perseverance in establishing the conservative movement over several decades. These things are often a battle of ideology conducted in academia and in think tanks. You do have to convince policy makers and their acolytes. Some people seem to forget that, during that era, 90% of the country identified itself as liberal. This was the first major challenge Buckley (and Reagan) faced: saying they were conservative without people making fun of them.

Making history is not for the faint-of-heart or the perfectionists.

TooConservative  posted on  2012-06-08   13:16:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'll sit back and wait for 4um's usual doom-mongers to show up and piss themselves

They're going to ban guns! British bankers! The Rothschilds! Jews! Conpiracies!!! EVERYTHING IS A CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!!!

I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.

Turtle  posted on  2012-06-08   13:17:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

They're going to ban guns! British bankers! The Rothschilds! Jews! Conpiracies!!! EVERYTHING IS A CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!!!

And you are part of the conspiracy. I have absolutely no evidence of that but I just know it. J'accuse!

TooConservative  posted on  2012-06-08   13:19:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Some people seem to forget that, during that era, 90% of the country identified itself as liberal. This was the first major challenge Buckley (and Reagan) faced: saying they were conservative without people making fun of them.

Fat lot of good it did us. Look around you. Buck Fuckley.

Making history is not for the faint-of-heart or the perfectionists.

I am not a perfectionist. But I am not a collaborator, and I won't support collaborators either.

Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. - H. L. Mencken

randge  posted on  2012-06-08   13:28:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I am not a perfectionist. But I am not a collaborator, and I won't support collaborators either.

Well, we're flinging about a lot of loaded rhetoric here. I get your point, you get mine. I don't see any point in a knockdown drag-out fight over it.

Could I win the debate by accusing you of being a confessed gay canary? That works on some forums.

Anyway, the Liberty movement has made tremendous progress since 2008. We should think twice before throwing that away.

There are games in life that we must play to move ahead, building a stake, then cashing in our chips. And Lady Luck is not always kind even to a just cause. The voters are fickle. And stupid.

If you're too cynical, you may as well not vote at all. The Founders' certainly didn't think much of voting. But that is our system and our only path to success.

TooConservative  posted on  2012-06-08   13:33:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

his final words.."what do you say? it's over."

I could only stand about 1 minute of his sniveling. I despise whiners. I just hate them with a passion.

It's not over.

This is what happens when one depends on another man (or woman) to make things right, when that person should take personal responsibility to shape their own destinies, and quit depending on others. If everyone would do that, there would be no more psychopathic leaders, because these psychopaths depend on others to depend on them.

So now he is all sad. Poor baby needs a pacifier. Sucks to be him. He is no better than a sheep. In fact, imo, he is even lower than a sheep.

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Whenever there's resistance, examine your motivation. Whenever there's flow, consider taking action.

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-06-08   13:35:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Anyway, the Liberty movement has made tremendous progress since 2008. We should think twice before throwing that away.

Forgive me if I've put too fine a point on it. Lots of us are heaps pissed off today.

Let me say that I respect your grasp of issues and personalities. There is always something to be learned from reading your posts. I also admire your continued sanguine outlook on things. May it be as you say.

Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. - H. L. Mencken

randge  posted on  2012-06-08   13:48:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Well the best possible outcome from this is that Oboingo get's reelected. God help us if Romney wins.

As far as Rand, he'll forever be a treacherous leech as far as I'm concerned.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-06-08   13:51:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Forgive me if I've put too fine a point on it. Lots of us are heaps pissed off today.

I get that, the disappointment.

It's what you do about it, whether you quit when you fall short. Quitters never win, especially in a contested field.

TooConservative  posted on  2012-06-08   14:15:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I could only stand about 1 minute of his sniveling. I despise whiners. I just hate them with a passion.

It's not over.

I agree. I guess I'd say let those who are most disappointed have a bit of grief. But that is no reason to quit. We have made tremendous progress and the future will hold many more opportunities, particularly as the overseas empire and its financial burden turns into a political and fiscal shooting war with the retiring Baby Boomers. And these poor kids who were sold into paying all the bills for it before they were even born; you know they aren't going to tolerate that forever because they want to have kids and a house too.

Just as we are seeing the beginning of the end of the big public employee union goons in recent news, this fight I am describing is coming much sooner than later. The Empire vs. the Boomers. But you can't win if you desert the battle. History is not made by the fickle or the timid.

TooConservative  posted on  2012-06-08   14:21:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Examiner: Ron Paul fans not real thrilled with Rand’s endorsement of Romney

TooConservative  posted on  2012-06-08   14:40:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The Empire vs. the Boomers. But you can't win if you desert the battle. History is not made by the fickle or the timid.

Good post.

The part I quoted is especially true.

Those that depended on Paul to fix it are just as fickle and timid as any sheep. First of all, the problems weren't created by one man, and they will not be fixed by one man. Second of all, I can see this as a possible operation to affect morale of those that stubbornly remain a part of the system, thinking it can be somehow fixed (or restored). When morale is affected, people don't suddenly say "the whole system is corrupt" and look for an alternative system, they give up on it all. It's hard to motivate the disillusioned.

Paul, and his supporters are just as plugged into the corrupt system as any other politician and that politicians supporters.

IMO the only way to fix it is to view it from the outside looking in, destroy it, and evolve into another system. Even if it could be fixed, history would repeat itself. But imo people aren't ready to evolve in the numbers needed. Not yet anyway.

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Whenever there's resistance, examine your motivation. Whenever there's flow, consider taking action.

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-06-08   14:44:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Richie Proffitt: I guess the 30 minute meeting with Mittens was actually a 12 hour lobotomy. Maybe the whole zombies thing is to get us to fall in line and vote status quo. Meh.

lol!

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-06-08   15:01:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Richie Proffitt: I guess the 30 minute meeting with Mittens was actually a 12 hour lobotomy. Maybe the whole zombies thing is to get us to fall in line and vote status quo. Meh.

It's a political party, not the Donner Party. [ I just thought that one up though it seems like an obvious quip now.     : ) ]

The most vocal are the losers that actually create more problems for the Liberty movement than they have ever contributed to it. Naturally, they have deemed themselves the primary spokesmen and formulators of approved policy.

Rand knew this would be the outcome, notice his remarks about his dad's followers who think they rule the internet...he knew this would be coming.

TooConservative  posted on  2012-06-08   15:08:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Rand knew this would be the outcome, notice his remarks about his dad's followers who think they rule the internet...he knew this would be coming.

You can read his mind eh? You KNOW what he's thinking right? Well good for you.

ANY idiot should have known what to expect if they betrayed their country and their own father's presidential campaign, selling out to the poster child of war, mayhem, and corporate takeover of the US political system.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-06-08   15:13:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

IMO the only way to fix it is to view it from the outside looking in, destroy it, and evolve into another system. Even if it could be fixed, history would repeat itself. But imo people aren't ready to evolve in the numbers needed. Not yet anyway.

Most rational people would rather vote for a man who they believe will change the system back to what it was SUPPOSED to be, rather than wage open warfare against their own countrymen, and unleashing unimaginable death and destruction which most likely WILL touch their own families and homes.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-06-08   15:16:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

ANY idiot should have known what to expect if they betrayed their country and their own father's presidential campaign...

Ron Paul emailed supporters yesterday to indicate he expected no more than 500 delegates total (obviously including some of the unreliable Santorum/Gingrich delegates).

Ron's campaign was suspended and he had admitted he could not expect the delegates needed to become the nominee.

Those are the facts. You seem to be in denial about it.

TooConservative  posted on  2012-06-08   15:22:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It's a political party, not the Donner Party. [

I like it.....a LOT! : )

All I know is that the GOP is not the liberty or freedom party. It's a red big spending war party. How many decades of crapping on the Constitution must we endure before we concede this truth?

I am excited about the liberty movement.....but, I do not see it progressing within the two party fraud and I don't think we have more decades to waste on hoping/trying to make it progress.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-06-08   15:23:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

But at a more conventional level of contemplation even the less radical of us see that we are being served two choices: WAR and DEFICITS or –WAR and DEFICITS. Folks are still voting R or D and whatever they are served up, the result will be more fruitless foreign adventures and more insane borrowing. The only difference is whether you’re inclined to shovel those heaps of FRNs into yet more Bolshevik fiddling around or into a major two front war.

Forgive me if I vote my conscience and vote third party or stay the hell out of it for good and all.

You got it. A vote for either one of the establishment clowns--clowns who aren't funny--just insures more war and more debt. 'Ef 'em! I don't vote for Tweedledumb or his brother, Tweedledumber.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-06-08   15:30:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Those are the facts. You seem to be in denial about it.

The facts are that when the chips are down, you don't give up, unless you planned on giving up before you started or never had the guts and stamina to make it to the end in the first place.

There was still the possibility of a brokered convention, or even a 3rd party run by RP if that failed. Now, we know that will never happen.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-06-08   15:38:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I like it.....a LOT! : )

I liked it way too much. LOL.

I am excited about the liberty movement.....but, I do not see it progressing within the two party fraud and I don't think we have more decades to waste on hoping/trying to make it progress.

I agree but with a different conclusion.

The empire is about to hit the reef over the Boomer retirement. Opportunity knocks and the under-35s have figured out they got picked to be the fall guys for this corrupt scheme by pols (and parents and grandparents) who just lived it up, knowing they'd be dead long before the final bills came due. We can shortly expect "generational warfare" to become the supposedly forbidden political topic and libmedia and the two major crime families in the District will certainly try to make it stick.

Some of these faint hearts now deserting the Liberty cause in a huff will wish they hadn't abandoned the cause just as we approach greatly expanded opportunity.

You see, you really can cut government when you are dead-ass broke.

In addition: we have seen key blocs in the Senate that were established to pursue particular objectives. The Gang of Fourteen, the Gang of Six, etc.

Well, you cook up a coalition of senators like Coburn, DeMint, Rand Paul, Mike Lee, Ron Johnson, Pat Toomey, and you add a few more like our very fine RP-endorsed candidate for MN senate, Kurt Bills (and an amazingly attractive candidate and excellent speaker) and then you add Ted Cruz of Texas to that coalition. And you might pick up a few more, like the Fischer woman from Nebraska.

That starts to look like a segment of the GOP that can control everything that moves through the U.S. Senate and every confirmation hearing, regardless of who is president or what some worthless old RINO like McConnell tries to pull.

But, of course, some people would rather scream "Betrayal" and take their marbles and go home. Well, good riddance.

TooConservative  posted on  2012-06-08   15:40:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You got it. A vote for either one of the establishment clowns--clowns who aren't funny--just insures more war and more debt. 'Ef 'em! I don't vote for Tweedledumb or his brother, Tweedledumber.

You can choose to vote how you wish regardless of what Rand says.

Just let Rand make his (largely meaningless) little endorsement. Given he stated his first choice was his dad no matter what, it isn't exactly the most passionate endorsement.

TooConservative  posted on  2012-06-08   15:43:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

But, of course, some people would rather scream "Betrayal" and take their marbles and go home. Well, good riddance.

You're delusional if you think things will change for the better just because some slick talking guy in a suit TELLS you "just wait till X Y and Z" happens 10 years from now.

It might be a comfortable wet dream for some, but not for me.

Good luck on your fantasy world though, I'm sure it'll work out just as you expect... /sarc

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-06-08   15:44:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

This thread needs a theme song........

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-06-08   15:58:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thanks - you know that I love that song and story.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2012-06-08   16:04:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Truth be told, I had an suspicion you would like that one Loddy. : )

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-06-08   16:05:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Most rational people

If they're the rational ones, I'm glad I'm nuttier than a fruitcake.

Being rational doesn't mean wishing for a easy, painless cure, It means seeing what's ahead in the real world. What's ahead is pain for those still holding on to their precious little systems. They either wake the fuck up or suffer the consequences.

I think they'll suffer though. NOt too many want to give up their little political / religious delusions. That would be too painful...

most don't have the balls to wake up. They think they'll end up with nothing if they give up the current systems. But what do they have now, WITH their current systems? Slavery.

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Whenever there's resistance, examine your motivation. Whenever there's flow, consider taking action.

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-06-08   16:09:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I jacked-up the volume and it was sing-along time.

Now to feed the poochies.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2012-06-08   16:09:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Good luck on your fantasy world though, I'm sure it'll work out just as you expect... /sarc

Good luck with honing your obvious talents as a born loser.

BTW, did you somehow think that Ron Paul would, alone, win the presidency, transform the country, then live forever to keep things nice and tidy for you? Do you even understand the political parties have farm teams, just like sports does?

Some people have some very unrealistic ideas about politics. Which is why they always lose and then quit, muttering that the system is rigged. I've seen it more times than I can count.

TooConservative  posted on  2012-06-08   16:10:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

In the American Revolution, the enemy's home was across an ocean, and they had to sail across that ocean on wooden ships to get here, aside from those who were already here.

Back then, weaponry consisted of muskets, cannons firing steel shot a short distance, and swords.

What do you really think would happen in an allout revolution these days here in the US?

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-06-08   16:12:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Good luck with honing your obvious talents as a born loser.

I don't consider kissing the ass of my enemy and allowing him to dictate my future, "winning".

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-06-08   16:14:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You best feed the pooches, Pilgrim. : )

lol.....I don't like tricks Pilgrim. I need to watch that one again, great lines in that one.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-06-08   16:17:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

BTW, did you somehow think that Ron Paul would, alone, win the presidency, transform the country, then live forever to keep things nice and tidy for you? Do you even understand the political parties have farm teams, just like sports does?

He would have certainly had a profound impact on this country. He could have appointed HONEST people with INTEGRITY into critical positions, such as Attorney General, FDA Commissioner, Secretary of Defense, Director of Central Intelligence, and various other cabinet level positions.

These individuals could have cleaned house and gutted out corruption, fraud, and high level treason, with the full backing and support of the White House.

So yeah, it could have changed the whole game.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-06-08   16:19:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What do you really think would happen in an allout revolution these days here in the US?

I no longer see a revolution. At least in the shooting sense of the word. I used to think so, but not anymore.

I see the current systems collapsing under their own weight. What they are trying to do is violate natural law. It's like violating gravity. You can overcome gravity for only so long before you crash (I don't see a soft landing, because that implies control, when they have no control).

That's not to say that people won't go batshit insane, but that is not a revolution. That's just chaos. I don't know how people will react. I'm pretty sure I know how the subhumans will react. Deep down, all humans know how the apes will react.

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Whenever there's resistance, examine your motivation. Whenever there's flow, consider taking action.

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-06-08   16:36:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That's not to say that people won't go batshit insane, but that is not a revolution. That's just chaos. I don't know how people will react. I'm pretty sure I know how the subhumans will react. Deep down, all humans know how the apes will react.

ALmost there.. what is that old saying? It's a governments job to pretend to fail???

Problem reaction solution. THe choas will beg for order and that order will suck..

I support the occupation
Fuck it if it kills me. Liberty before death.

titorite  posted on  2012-06-08   16:42:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't consider kissing the ass of my enemy and allowing him to dictate my future, "winning".

Well, perhaps a few of my words were rash. No one is saying that you have to vote for Romney. Including Rand Paul. You own your vote.

The Liberty movement, if it is a movement, has to survive Ron Paul's retirement. He's 77 now or close to it. And we do have other good candidates. Kurt Bills is awesome, check out his videos. Man, can he talk.

TooConservative  posted on  2012-06-08   16:49:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It's been said here before, but I too believe that the ultimate, big-time loser in this stupendous CF will be rand paul.

What an absolute moron he's become.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2012-06-08   16:54:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

what is that old saying? It's a governments job to pretend to fail???

That's a new one to me.

But I disagree with that saying.

You're saying "fail". What is their definition of "success"?

Their "job" is to rule. In order to succeed at that, they boxed themselves into a corner. It is their own successes that did it to them, not their failures. They are so screwed.

If we can outlast them, we will have won. And we will outlast them, because to do so requires cooperation, which only we are capable of. Psychopaths do not play well together.

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Whenever there's resistance, examine your motivation. Whenever there's flow, consider taking action.

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-06-08   17:01:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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