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Title: The Man That Shot Liberty In The Back- Rand Paul (watch!)
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Published: Jun 8, 2012
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Post Date: 2012-06-08 10:51:35 by christine
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#1. To: All (#0)

his final words.."what do you say? it's over."

christine  posted on  2012-06-08   10:57:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: christine, 4 (#1)

his final words.."what do you say? it's over."

I could only stand about 1 minute of his sniveling. I despise whiners. I just hate them with a passion.

It's not over.

This is what happens when one depends on another man (or woman) to make things right, when that person should take personal responsibility to shape their own destinies, and quit depending on others. If everyone would do that, there would be no more psychopathic leaders, because these psychopaths depend on others to depend on them.

So now he is all sad. Poor baby needs a pacifier. Sucks to be him. He is no better than a sheep. In fact, imo, he is even lower than a sheep.

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-06-08   13:35:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: PSUSA2, randge (#22)

I could only stand about 1 minute of his sniveling. I despise whiners. I just hate them with a passion.

It's not over.

I agree. I guess I'd say let those who are most disappointed have a bit of grief. But that is no reason to quit. We have made tremendous progress and the future will hold many more opportunities, particularly as the overseas empire and its financial burden turns into a political and fiscal shooting war with the retiring Baby Boomers. And these poor kids who were sold into paying all the bills for it before they were even born; you know they aren't going to tolerate that forever because they want to have kids and a house too.

Just as we are seeing the beginning of the end of the big public employee union goons in recent news, this fight I am describing is coming much sooner than later. The Empire vs. the Boomers. But you can't win if you desert the battle. History is not made by the fickle or the timid.

TooConservative  posted on  2012-06-08   14:21:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: TooConservative, PSUSA2 (#26)

good posts, both of you. you make some very astute points. there's one point that i think you're missing here and, that is, that many of us are disappointed again in what we see as a lack of honesty here not that we expected Ron Paul to be our saviour. i think all of us on 4um are more realistic than that. this is a repeat of 2008 when Ron Paul pulled out just before the Texas primary. we were led to believe that he had a delegate strategy. now with this, he's pulled the rug out from under all those who worked to become delegates and who planned to cast a vote for him at the convention. he pulled up short again and i am certain that that it was not a sudden decision.

imo, he and Rand both owe his many, many supporters an immediate explanation.

and one more thing...how is it after all the criticism of Romney heretofore can the Pauls suddenly do a 180 and endorse him (assuming Ron plans to also)? that to me is an abandonment of his principles.

christine  posted on  2012-06-08   18:38:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#63. To: christine (#60)

and one more thing...how is it after all the criticism of Romney heretofore can the Pauls suddenly do a 180 and endorse him (assuming Ron plans to also)? that to me is an abandonment of his principles.

Do you honestly think that endorsements ever sway that many votes? The political pros say it can never help more than a few percent. At most.

Even picking a VP from a state is assumed to never help more than 5% in that state. If it's a popular regional figure, like Christie for instance, you might pick up a point or two in bordering states. And that's the best you can hope for with a veep.

Now what is the endorsement of the junior senator of 2 years worth to Romney.

You really aren't reading the Tea leaves correctly.

TooConservative  posted on  2012-06-08 18:41:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: christine (#60)

we were led to believe that he had a delegate strategy.

Don't be led. People should be their own leader. That's how I see it. People are responsible for their own interests. People give their personal power over to others so they can be led.

I;m just as guilty as anyone else in that I too was supportive of Paul, because I (mistakenly) believed he was our last hope to turn things around. But the way I see it now, things can't be turned around, and it doesn't matter who wins a (s)election.

Not to get anyone to think that I like falling on my sword... but I made the mistake of believing that the answers were outside of me, not inside. These rat bastards are masters at getting people to think only of the external. They are not stupid. They know exactly what they are doing. It has kept them in power because it keeps the citizens focused on what the psychopaths are doing instead of what the self is doing.

We could end this in a week, if a majoelrity told these monsters to drop dead, and meant it. But people being people, it might take a little more time than that.

and one more thing...how is it after all the criticism of Romney heretofore can the Pauls suddenly do a 180 and endorse him (assuming Ron plans to also)? that to me is an abandonment of his principles.

I don't believe he had any principles in the first place. He did it because it benefits him, not his constituents.

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-06-08 19:07:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: christine (#60)

You knew I was a snake (politician) when you took me in ! (And a FED to boot).

noone222  posted on  2012-06-08 19:50:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: christine (#60)

he's pulled the rug out from under all those who worked to become delegates and who planned to cast a vote for him at the convention. he pulled up short again

???

Excerpts from: Will Ron Paul's battle transform the party? - Washington Times Communities

FORT WORTH - The Fort Worth convention center welcomed delegates to the Texas Republican State Convention on Thursday morning June 7th with a few rousing bagpipe tunes. [sic]

battle was rejoined in the afternoon breakout session with Congressman Ron Paul.

When Paul was introduced, the crowd gave him the rock star welcome anyone following the Republican primary has seen dozens of times. Shouts of “President Paul” and “End the Fed” reverberated throughout the arena.

This wasn’t just agreement or support for a candidate’s electability or likeability. [sic] The energy and passion expressed for this old veteran stood in stark contrast to the reception speakers received earlier that day.

Once the audience had calmed down, Congressman Paul prefaced his remarks by saying that he had been asked to speak on uniting the party and balancing the budget. Not a strange request given the fact that his fiscal conservatism is almost as well known as the fact that dissension within the Republican Party primarily emanates from the ideas he has championed.

But Paul made it clear that he wasn’t going to play ball, or shall we call it what it is - politics.

His speech was a virtual litany of the positions that have defined his candidacy, and there was no hint of compromise. Instead, he said, “Unity is important but what do we unify behind? No Child Left Behind? What about uniting around principle, around the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence?”

[sic]

In fact, there were so many standing ovations during the speech one could hardly keep count. The seats in the arena seemed almost pointless. These people had come ready for battle, and Paul was their champion leading the charge.

On issue after issue, the congressman hammered home his message that freedom is the answer, not government, that individual liberties were the basis of a wealthy and prosperous nation, not a welfare state that impoverishes the middle class, decimates the poor and empowers the rich.

He said that his positions were often criticized as ideas that would take the country back not forward. His answer was simple. “My ideas do come from the founding fathers. Gold and silver are still legal tender according to the Constitution. But big government, now that, is a very very old idea. There are those who say government is the answer, but they are the past; we are the future.”

He concluded his remarks by saying that there was only one message which would unite the Republican Party and that message was freedom.

Reposting a 4um video of Ron Paul's Speech at the Texas GOP Convention (1 of 4)

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-06-08 20:42:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: christine (#60)

and one more thing...how is it after all the criticism of Romney heretofore can the Pauls suddenly do a 180 and endorse him (assuming Ron plans to also)? that to me is an abandonment of his principles

ha! If ron paul endroses romney his legacy will be, if not already, relegated to the trashbin of history. right where it deserves to be. and as FL said, his son rand will be known as treaterous filth for all time, by anyone with sense.

Artisan  posted on  2012-06-10 00:53:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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