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Title: The Man That Shot Liberty In The Back- Rand Paul (watch!)
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Published: Jun 8, 2012
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Post Date: 2012-06-08 10:51:35 by christine
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#1. To: All (#0)

his final words.."what do you say? it's over."

christine  posted on  2012-06-08   10:57:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: christine, 4 (#1)

his final words.."what do you say? it's over."

I could only stand about 1 minute of his sniveling. I despise whiners. I just hate them with a passion.

It's not over.

This is what happens when one depends on another man (or woman) to make things right, when that person should take personal responsibility to shape their own destinies, and quit depending on others. If everyone would do that, there would be no more psychopathic leaders, because these psychopaths depend on others to depend on them.

So now he is all sad. Poor baby needs a pacifier. Sucks to be him. He is no better than a sheep. In fact, imo, he is even lower than a sheep.

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-06-08   13:35:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: PSUSA2, randge (#22)

I could only stand about 1 minute of his sniveling. I despise whiners. I just hate them with a passion.

It's not over.

I agree. I guess I'd say let those who are most disappointed have a bit of grief. But that is no reason to quit. We have made tremendous progress and the future will hold many more opportunities, particularly as the overseas empire and its financial burden turns into a political and fiscal shooting war with the retiring Baby Boomers. And these poor kids who were sold into paying all the bills for it before they were even born; you know they aren't going to tolerate that forever because they want to have kids and a house too.

Just as we are seeing the beginning of the end of the big public employee union goons in recent news, this fight I am describing is coming much sooner than later. The Empire vs. the Boomers. But you can't win if you desert the battle. History is not made by the fickle or the timid.

TooConservative  posted on  2012-06-08   14:21:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: TooConservative, PSUSA2 (#26)

good posts, both of you. you make some very astute points. there's one point that i think you're missing here and, that is, that many of us are disappointed again in what we see as a lack of honesty here not that we expected Ron Paul to be our saviour. i think all of us on 4um are more realistic than that. this is a repeat of 2008 when Ron Paul pulled out just before the Texas primary. we were led to believe that he had a delegate strategy. now with this, he's pulled the rug out from under all those who worked to become delegates and who planned to cast a vote for him at the convention. he pulled up short again and i am certain that that it was not a sudden decision.

imo, he and Rand both owe his many, many supporters an immediate explanation.

and one more thing...how is it after all the criticism of Romney heretofore can the Pauls suddenly do a 180 and endorse him (assuming Ron plans to also)? that to me is an abandonment of his principles.

christine  posted on  2012-06-08   18:38:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: christine (#60)

and one more thing...how is it after all the criticism of Romney heretofore can the Pauls suddenly do a 180 and endorse him (assuming Ron plans to also)? that to me is an abandonment of his principles.

Do you honestly think that endorsements ever sway that many votes? The political pros say it can never help more than a few percent. At most.

Even picking a VP from a state is assumed to never help more than 5% in that state. If it's a popular regional figure, like Christie for instance, you might pick up a point or two in bordering states. And that's the best you can hope for with a veep.

Now what is the endorsement of the junior senator of 2 years worth to Romney.

You really aren't reading the Tea leaves correctly.

TooConservative  posted on  2012-06-08   18:41:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: TooConservative (#63)

what is the endorsement of the junior senator of 2 years worth to Romney.

When you're talking about Romney, you're talking about a ruthless ingrate -- a corporate raider who tookover the company of his Bain-benefactor (who had started him in business and financed him), and then fired the man as the reward for his favors. What do you suppose it's worth to Romney to devastate the Ron Paul movement's morale and cohesion through his junior senator son? What do you suppose Rand Paul thinks it was worth to his own career plans to kick his father's movement to the curb as he joined up with Romney's antithetical clique?

GreyLmist  posted on  2012-06-08   20:08:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: GreyLmist, TooConservative (#72)

what is the endorsement of the junior senator of 2 years worth to Romney.

When you're talking about Romney, you're talking about a ruthless ingrate -- a corporate raider who tookover the company of his Bain-benefactor (who had started him in business and financed him), and then fired the man as the reward for his favors. What do you suppose it's worth to Romney to devastate the Ron Paul movement's morale and cohesion through his junior senator son? What do you suppose Rand Paul thinks it was worth to his own career plans to kick his father's movement to the curb as he joined up with Romney's antithetical clique?

The key point that keeps getting missed is that Rand is a Scofield Zionist - he let that slip early on. That colors all of his thinking and is why he can betray his father to cozy up to Mittens. It is about End Times and I-S-R-A-E-L. Rand by all appearances and comments has a different theological point of view and different beliefs and that one small, superficially, difference makes all the world's difference in what to expect from him in terms of his reactions.

As well the son does not speak for the father but for himself only. We'll have to wait and see how Ron handles this.

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-06-10   1:33:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: Original_Intent (#96)

The key point that keeps getting missed is that Rand is a Scofield Zionist - he let that slip early on.

What did he let slip? Rand is no theo-con.

And Scofield was dead well before Zionism became any sort of a real movement.

TooConservative  posted on  2012-06-10   12:05:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: TooConservative (#97)

The key point that keeps getting missed is that Rand is a Scofield Zionist - he let that slip early on.

What did he let slip? Rand is no theo-con.

And Scofield was dead well before Zionism became any sort of a real movement.

If you take a close look at Kristyun Zionazism virturally every sect and group that are Kristyun Zionazis are sects that use the Scofield Bible. That is before you get to who funded the convicted felon Scofield i.e., the Rothshchilds. And Zionism was alive and kicking at the time of publication of the original Scofield Reference Bible (further revised in 1967)

Here's an excerpt that is very "illuminative":

"Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." -- Matthew 7:20

"At the outbreak of the American Civil War, Cyrus I. Scofield (1843-1921), a Michigan native, lied about his age in order to enlist in the Confederate Army in 1861, where he served in the 7th Tennessee infantry for a year.

In 1866 he married a Roman Catholic girl named Leontine Cerre. They had two girls, Abigail and Helene.

According to sweetliberty.org (3), as a young con-artist in Kansas after the Civil War, Scofield met up with John J. Ingalls, an aging Jewish lawyer/senator. Pulling strings both in Kansas and with his compatriots back east, Ingalls assisted Scofield in gaining admission to the Bar and procured his appointment as the federal attorney for Kansas. Scofield committed perjury when he took his oath, stating that he had never voluntarily borne arms against the United States. He was forced to resign after six months because of questionable financial transactions.

By 1877, Scofield was making a living on swindles and schemes and writing bogus checks. Ingalls and Scofield became partners in a railroad scam which led to Scofield serving time for criminal forgery.

In 1879, while he was in prison, a group of Christian women who had a jail ministry witnessed to Scofield and he made a profession of faith in Christ. He then began to study the writings of John Darby and embraced Darby’s theology about the rapture and the need for Jews to resettle the land of Israel

Upon his release from the prison, Scofield began to work in the evangelical campaign of D. L. Moody. In 1879, Scofield became acting secretary of the YMCA and was licensed to preach in 1880. (4)

Torell (3) stated he believes that Ingalls informed his Jewish peers that Scofield would be the perfect candidate to develop and penetrate fundamental Christian churches and denominations. All it would take was the right "handlers" and cash.

At this time Scofield "happened to be in the one city" singled out by Darby for "planting the seed" of his "special brand of Bible teaching," and they met.

Then on November 6, 1879, a criminal case against Scofield was dismissed in an Appeals Court.

In 1877, Scofield had deserted his first wife and his two daughters and left them destitute. According Wikipedia, this was "perhaps because of alcoholism," but Joseph Canfield (3) asserts: "The very sudden quashing of the criminal charges without proper adjudication suggests that Scofield’s career was in the hands of someone who had clout never available to either Ingalls, Pomeroy, or anyone of the Choteau Clan. But, the career was to be of such a nature that Leontine, the Catholic wife, had to go."

Scofield then took as his mistress a young girl from the St. Louis Flower Mission. He later abandoned her for Hettie Hall von Wartz whom he married in 1884. Leontine filed for divorce in 1881, finalized in 1883, listing "abandonment" as a reason.

The apostle Paul wrote in 1 Timothy 3:2-4: "A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre….One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity."

Scofield’s supporters kept his background secret for a long time in order to make him a licensed minister of the Gospel. The only biography his life is a collection of "Sunday School" articles by Charles G. Trumbull. Published into a book, The Life Story of C.I. Scofield in 1920 by the Oxford Press, it is the official "white wash" to clean up Scofield for future generations. It contains many inaccuracies, including a "conversion" story that happens, not in jail, but at a law office that did not even exist at the time.

The Scofield Reference Bible

In 1895 Scofield was asked to be a pastor at one of Moody’s churches in Northfield, MA. By now he had built up a "clean" reputation and was ready to be moved there to larger work. 

He seemed to have access to money above what he earned as a minister; his backers included New York Jewish lawyer Samuel Untermeyer and Union 76 oil baron Lyman Stewart.

In 1901, Scofield was offered a membership in the Lotus Club of New York, a prestigious club in the literary circles of the United States catering to non-Christians. This was a club in which one had to be invited and have a sponsor. He settled there and listed it as his residence for the next 20 years.  It was here that he presented his ideas for a new Christian Bible concordance, and was taken under the wing of Untermeyer (1858-1941)—a criminal attorney well known for his political connections, bribery and for being a fanatical Zionist agent of the Rothschild banking cartel.

Untermeyer introduced Scofield to numerous Zionist and socialist leaders, including Samuel Gompers, Fiorello LaGuardia, Abraham Straus, Bernard Baruch and Jacob Schiff. These people financed Scofield’s research trips to Oxford and arranged for the publication and distribution of his concordance.

One of Scofield’s first moves in producing his reference Bible was to take a trip to the British Isles for research. He immediately sought out the controversial scholars Westcott and Hort in London. Hailed as Bible scholars, both men were very active in occult rituals. Westcott had formed a secret club called "Hermes," noted for aggressive homosexual activities between its members. In 1851, Hort and Westcott also started the Ghost Society, which was first billed as the study of spiritual events, but in time it became more of a séance group. Its members included Arthur Balfour who, in 1917, bequeathed Palestine to the Rothschilds as "a national home for the Jewish people."

The following passage is from page two of the Introduction to the 1945 edition of the Scofield Bible: "….The discovery of the Sinaitic MS, and the labours in the field of textual criticism of such scholars as…..Westcott and Hort, have cleared the Greek Textus Receptus of minor inaccuracies….."

The comment memorializes Scofield’s reliance on Wescott and Hort and explains Scofield’s justification for tampering with the word of God.

And the reason is…

"Why would a wealthy German Jew like Untermeyer living in America sponsor Scofield and spend money on a man who was working on a new Bible translation and preaching Jesus Christ?" Torell asked.

Jewish leaders long ago recognized the bonanza for them if they could force the teaching of an imminent rapture on Christians and move them to abandon their moral hold on society. Darby was financially supported and Scofield, Darby’s successor, could make this teaching central in all Christian churches. Removal of Christians from politics and public schools would leave the door open for Jewish writers and political leaders to move in and remove the Bible and prayer from public schools and political institutions. The ACLU is a Jewish organization, having only a few Gentiles in it for window dressing, he stated.  

In 1907, the International Zionist movement had its "payday" when, after some 120 years they were finally able to have a document produced that would forever change the theology of Christian churches around the world so that, in time, believers in Christ would be transformed into Christian Zionists. Even though they had to "pay good money" to further the cause of fundamentalism, it was worth it to them because the fundamentalists would be led like a bull with a ring in his nose in the direction the Jewish masters wanted them to go.

Forty-one years later, the political state of Israel came into existence. "Without the Scofield Bible, it never would have happened," Torell said."

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-06-10   14:15:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#100. To: All (#99) (Edited)

HUNNERT!!!!

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