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Title: The Man That Shot Liberty In The Back- Rand Paul (watch!)
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Post Date: 2012-06-08 10:51:35 by christine
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his final words.."what do you say? it's over."
I'm sure there are some unhappy RP supporters out there. I am equally sure they understand very little of how politics actually works, how you build an ideological movement (as Buckley did with conservative movement in the Sixties through the mid-Seventies), how you gain chits with various factions of the party, how you take over state GOP organizations (as the evangelicals did in the Nineties). If you intend to demand purist perfection, you may as well give up voting. I'll sit back and wait for 4um's usual doom-mongers to show up and piss themselves over all things Pauline. Like clockwork. And, of course, they are to a man the biggest supporters Ron Paul ever had, maxxed out their donations to him in every election, blah-blah-blah...sure they did.
It's over for him anyway. There are always going to be lightweights who entertain completely unrealistic expectations and then, when they are disappointed, drop out completely while complaining bitterly about how they were betrayed. The real Liberty movement isn't dropping out at all. Anyway, I'm not and neither are the people I know. I think it'll be the Truthy Alex Jones people that drop out.
Well in sooth, there are those among us that believe that there is something DEEPLY wrong with ‘the system.’ Things are irreparably and dangerously out of kilter in many respects. But at a more conventional level of contemplation even the less radical of us see that we are being served two choices: WAR and DEFICITS or –WAR and DEFICITS. Folks are still voting R or D and whatever they are served up, the result will be more fruitless foreign adventures and more insane borrowing. The only difference is whether you’re inclined to shovel those heaps of FRNs into yet more Bolshevik fiddling around or into a major two front war. Forgive me if I vote my conscience and vote third party or stay the hell out of it for good and all. I agree on this part - the 'Real' one won't be stopped by this game being played on everyone - the information pushed into American's faces by Ron's Faux run can't be deleted ... it did its job and brought more into the ranks They didn't like my gift to the community, so I started a blog my place to rant Well, if it gets too boring for you here, I'm sure there are some name calling threads at LP that could use your amazing insight.
That's why the party welcomes David Duke. Our white sons are sent to war against non-whites who have done us no harm, and this is not called crime; Gutless, dishonorable traitor scum! (Or is it: scum traitor?)
That's exactly where many of us now find ourselves. Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson The mistake is believing all of this happened very suddenly or recently. It didn't. It's long-term incrementalism, much of it with statist roots from the Civil War era which hijacked the original era of constitutionalism. You cannot fix it overnight. Nor can you beat back the entrenched institutional and financial interests that propagate this system in their own interests. I'll never suggest that you don't own your own vote or cannot cast it for anyone you choose. You own your vote, no one else.
LOL. I'll try not to neglect them too much. You may have noticed that they are very needy.
I thought Duke was off leading the cause in Austria or something.
It's just easier to get arrested or fined over there.
Our white sons are sent to war against non-whites who have done us no harm, and this is not called crime; You cannot fix it overnight. Nor can you beat back the entrenched institutional and financial interests that propagate this system in their own interests. I won't gainsay anything that you've posted here, except to point out that what is wrong may have roots that go a bit deeper than the period of the War Between the States. No, you cannot fix it overnight. It is due to our culturally ingrained belief in progress that we are led to suppose that we can fix these things. The history of states and empires tends to demonstrate that an accretion of usurpations and institutionalized corruption is never simply "fixed." It usually ends in conflagration and catastrophe. The result is sometimes better, more often it is worse. Carlist fascist Buckley was a deep-cover CIA officer who deployed both real Nazis and neo-Nazis - see his CIA background.
I think that no matter what you do, you can only fix things for 20 years or so. The Founders' original republic endured a little longer, about 70 years, until Lincoln destroyed it. But it is not impossible to turn the clock back, to rein in a galloping planetary government. And a time of harsh economic reality is about the only time you can force such changes through. During prosper times, no one seriously jostles the regime or challenges its fundamental policies. Like our path to empire, starting with our conquest of portions of the Spanish empire at the end of the nineteenth century. Those who cannot stay on task through repeated election cycles can never hope to prevail over the bureaucrats, the bankers, the arms manufacturers, the globalist meddlers and nation-builders, well, you get the idea no doubt. As with Obama, you don't just win one election and get to entirely re-order American life and politics.
Whatever. My point was about his perseverance in establishing the conservative movement over several decades. These things are often a battle of ideology conducted in academia and in think tanks. You do have to convince policy makers and their acolytes. Some people seem to forget that, during that era, 90% of the country identified itself as liberal. This was the first major challenge Buckley (and Reagan) faced: saying they were conservative without people making fun of them. Making history is not for the faint-of-heart or the perfectionists.
They're going to ban guns! British bankers! The Rothschilds! Jews! Conpiracies!!! EVERYTHING IS A CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!!! I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
And you are part of the conspiracy. I have absolutely no evidence of that but I just know it. J'accuse!
Some people seem to forget that, during that era, 90% of the country identified itself as liberal. This was the first major challenge Buckley (and Reagan) faced: saying they were conservative without people making fun of them. Fat lot of good it did us. Look around you. Buck Fuckley. Making history is not for the faint-of-heart or the perfectionists. I am not a perfectionist. But I am not a collaborator, and I won't support collaborators either. Well, we're flinging about a lot of loaded rhetoric here. I get your point, you get mine. I don't see any point in a knockdown drag-out fight over it. Could I win the debate by accusing you of being a confessed gay canary? That works on some forums. Anyway, the Liberty movement has made tremendous progress since 2008. We should think twice before throwing that away. There are games in life that we must play to move ahead, building a stake, then cashing in our chips. And Lady Luck is not always kind even to a just cause. The voters are fickle. And stupid. If you're too cynical, you may as well not vote at all. The Founders' certainly didn't think much of voting. But that is our system and our only path to success.
I could only stand about 1 minute of his sniveling. I despise whiners. I just hate them with a passion. It's not over. This is what happens when one depends on another man (or woman) to make things right, when that person should take personal responsibility to shape their own destinies, and quit depending on others. If everyone would do that, there would be no more psychopathic leaders, because these psychopaths depend on others to depend on them. So now he is all sad. Poor baby needs a pacifier. Sucks to be him. He is no better than a sheep. In fact, imo, he is even lower than a sheep. ------------------------------------------ Whenever there's resistance, examine your motivation. Whenever there's flow, consider taking action.
Forgive me if I've put too fine a point on it. Lots of us are heaps pissed off today. Let me say that I respect your grasp of issues and personalities. There is always something to be learned from reading your posts. I also admire your continued sanguine outlook on things. May it be as you say. Well the best possible outcome from this is that Oboingo get's reelected. God help us if Romney wins. As far as Rand, he'll forever be a treacherous leech as far as I'm concerned. I get that, the disappointment. It's what you do about it, whether you quit when you fall short. Quitters never win, especially in a contested field.
It's not over. I agree. I guess I'd say let those who are most disappointed have a bit of grief. But that is no reason to quit. We have made tremendous progress and the future will hold many more opportunities, particularly as the overseas empire and its financial burden turns into a political and fiscal shooting war with the retiring Baby Boomers. And these poor kids who were sold into paying all the bills for it before they were even born; you know they aren't going to tolerate that forever because they want to have kids and a house too. Just as we are seeing the beginning of the end of the big public employee union goons in recent news, this fight I am describing is coming much sooner than later. The Empire vs. the Boomers. But you can't win if you desert the battle. History is not made by the fickle or the timid.
Examiner: Ron Paul fans not real thrilled with Rand’s endorsement of Romney
Good post. The part I quoted is especially true. Those that depended on Paul to fix it are just as fickle and timid as any sheep. First of all, the problems weren't created by one man, and they will not be fixed by one man. Second of all, I can see this as a possible operation to affect morale of those that stubbornly remain a part of the system, thinking it can be somehow fixed (or restored). When morale is affected, people don't suddenly say "the whole system is corrupt" and look for an alternative system, they give up on it all. It's hard to motivate the disillusioned. Paul, and his supporters are just as plugged into the corrupt system as any other politician and that politicians supporters. IMO the only way to fix it is to view it from the outside looking in, destroy it, and evolve into another system. Even if it could be fixed, history would repeat itself. But imo people aren't ready to evolve in the numbers needed. Not yet anyway. ------------------------------------------ Whenever there's resistance, examine your motivation. Whenever there's flow, consider taking action.
lol! " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
It's a political party, not the Donner Party. [ I just thought that one up though it seems like an obvious quip now. : ) ] The most vocal are the losers that actually create more problems for the Liberty movement than they have ever contributed to it. Naturally, they have deemed themselves the primary spokesmen and formulators of approved policy. Rand knew this would be the outcome, notice his remarks about his dad's followers who think they rule the internet...he knew this would be coming.
You can read his mind eh? You KNOW what he's thinking right? Well good for you. ANY idiot should have known what to expect if they betrayed their country and their own father's presidential campaign, selling out to the poster child of war, mayhem, and corporate takeover of the US political system. Most rational people would rather vote for a man who they believe will change the system back to what it was SUPPOSED to be, rather than wage open warfare against their own countrymen, and unleashing unimaginable death and destruction which most likely WILL touch their own families and homes. Ron Paul emailed supporters yesterday to indicate he expected no more than 500 delegates total (obviously including some of the unreliable Santorum/Gingrich delegates). Ron's campaign was suspended and he had admitted he could not expect the delegates needed to become the nominee. Those are the facts. You seem to be in denial about it.
I like it.....a LOT! : ) All I know is that the GOP is not the liberty or freedom party. It's a red big spending war party. How many decades of crapping on the Constitution must we endure before we concede this truth? I am excited about the liberty movement.....but, I do not see it progressing within the two party fraud and I don't think we have more decades to waste on hoping/trying to make it progress. " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Forgive me if I vote my conscience and vote third party or stay the hell out of it for good and all. You got it. A vote for either one of the establishment clowns--clowns who aren't funny--just insures more war and more debt. 'Ef 'em! I don't vote for Tweedledumb or his brother, Tweedledumber. Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi "If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken "..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
The facts are that when the chips are down, you don't give up, unless you planned on giving up before you started or never had the guts and stamina to make it to the end in the first place. There was still the possibility of a brokered convention, or even a 3rd party run by RP if that failed. Now, we know that will never happen. I liked it way too much. LOL. I agree but with a different conclusion. The empire is about to hit the reef over the Boomer retirement. Opportunity knocks and the under-35s have figured out they got picked to be the fall guys for this corrupt scheme by pols (and parents and grandparents) who just lived it up, knowing they'd be dead long before the final bills came due. We can shortly expect "generational warfare" to become the supposedly forbidden political topic and libmedia and the two major crime families in the District will certainly try to make it stick. Some of these faint hearts now deserting the Liberty cause in a huff will wish they hadn't abandoned the cause just as we approach greatly expanded opportunity. You see, you really can cut government when you are dead-ass broke. In addition: we have seen key blocs in the Senate that were established to pursue particular objectives. The Gang of Fourteen, the Gang of Six, etc. Well, you cook up a coalition of senators like Coburn, DeMint, Rand Paul, Mike Lee, Ron Johnson, Pat Toomey, and you add a few more like our very fine RP-endorsed candidate for MN senate, Kurt Bills (and an amazingly attractive candidate and excellent speaker) and then you add Ted Cruz of Texas to that coalition. And you might pick up a few more, like the Fischer woman from Nebraska. That starts to look like a segment of the GOP that can control everything that moves through the U.S. Senate and every confirmation hearing, regardless of who is president or what some worthless old RINO like McConnell tries to pull. But, of course, some people would rather scream "Betrayal" and take their marbles and go home. Well, good riddance.
You can choose to vote how you wish regardless of what Rand says. Just let Rand make his (largely meaningless) little endorsement. Given he stated his first choice was his dad no matter what, it isn't exactly the most passionate endorsement.
You're delusional if you think things will change for the better just because some slick talking guy in a suit TELLS you "just wait till X Y and Z" happens 10 years from now. It might be a comfortable wet dream for some, but not for me. Good luck on your fantasy world though, I'm sure it'll work out just as you expect... /sarc This thread needs a theme song........ " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Thanks - you know that I love that song and story.
Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson Truth be told, I had an suspicion you would like that one Loddy. : )
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
If they're the rational ones, I'm glad I'm nuttier than a fruitcake. Being rational doesn't mean wishing for a easy, painless cure, It means seeing what's ahead in the real world. What's ahead is pain for those still holding on to their precious little systems. They either wake the fuck up or suffer the consequences. I think they'll suffer though. NOt too many want to give up their little political / religious delusions. That would be too painful... most don't have the balls to wake up. They think they'll end up with nothing if they give up the current systems. But what do they have now, WITH their current systems? Slavery. ------------------------------------------ Whenever there's resistance, examine your motivation. Whenever there's flow, consider taking action.
I jacked-up the volume and it was sing-along time. Now to feed the poochies. Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson Good luck with honing your obvious talents as a born loser. BTW, did you somehow think that Ron Paul would, alone, win the presidency, transform the country, then live forever to keep things nice and tidy for you? Do you even understand the political parties have farm teams, just like sports does? Some people have some very unrealistic ideas about politics. Which is why they always lose and then quit, muttering that the system is rigged. I've seen it more times than I can count.
In the American Revolution, the enemy's home was across an ocean, and they had to sail across that ocean on wooden ships to get here, aside from those who were already here. Back then, weaponry consisted of muskets, cannons firing steel shot a short distance, and swords. What do you really think would happen in an allout revolution these days here in the US? I don't consider kissing the ass of my enemy and allowing him to dictate my future, "winning". You best feed the pooches, Pilgrim. : ) lol.....I don't like tricks Pilgrim. I need to watch that one again, great lines in that one. " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
He would have certainly had a profound impact on this country. He could have appointed HONEST people with INTEGRITY into critical positions, such as Attorney General, FDA Commissioner, Secretary of Defense, Director of Central Intelligence, and various other cabinet level positions. These individuals could have cleaned house and gutted out corruption, fraud, and high level treason, with the full backing and support of the White House. So yeah, it could have changed the whole game. I no longer see a revolution. At least in the shooting sense of the word. I used to think so, but not anymore. I see the current systems collapsing under their own weight. What they are trying to do is violate natural law. It's like violating gravity. You can overcome gravity for only so long before you crash (I don't see a soft landing, because that implies control, when they have no control). That's not to say that people won't go batshit insane, but that is not a revolution. That's just chaos. I don't know how people will react. I'm pretty sure I know how the subhumans will react. Deep down, all humans know how the apes will react. ------------------------------------------ Whenever there's resistance, examine your motivation. Whenever there's flow, consider taking action.
ALmost there.. what is that old saying? It's a governments job to pretend to fail??? Problem reaction solution. THe choas will beg for order and that order will suck.. Well, perhaps a few of my words were rash. No one is saying that you have to vote for Romney. Including Rand Paul. You own your vote. The Liberty movement, if it is a movement, has to survive Ron Paul's retirement. He's 77 now or close to it. And we do have other good candidates. Kurt Bills is awesome, check out his videos. Man, can he talk.
It's been said here before, but I too believe that the ultimate, big-time loser in this stupendous CF will be rand paul. What an absolute moron he's become. Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson That's a new one to me. But I disagree with that saying. You're saying "fail". What is their definition of "success"? Their "job" is to rule. In order to succeed at that, they boxed themselves into a corner. It is their own successes that did it to them, not their failures. They are so screwed. If we can outlast them, we will have won. And we will outlast them, because to do so requires cooperation, which only we are capable of. Psychopaths do not play well together. ------------------------------------------ Whenever there's resistance, examine your motivation. Whenever there's flow, consider taking action.
What an absolute moron he's become. The reactions I've seen here are starting to make me think that Rand could possibly succeed with a bit of luck on a scale that Ron never dreamed of. By all means, condemn and reject Rand. Be my guest.
By their I should think we are speaking of economic / political factions that are our fearless leaders in this shitty nation..Our government yuck. Success to people like that is convincing you, me, and the masses to go along with it all as easily as they can will it. They want us to go along with the play of hard dull work, justice preveils, shop wal mart consumer citizen tax payer. Kinda like isreal there haveing the egyptions digging their own grave so to does our nations' leaders, corporate whores that they are, lead its own citizens to dig their own graves... both metaphorically and literally. Ah yes. The pub party will end up owing both.
Ron's campaign was suspended and he had admitted he could not expect the delegates needed to become the nominee. Those are the facts. You seem to be in denial about it. Reporting a conservative-estimate of the number of delegates that he's expecting in Tampa to "Stand up for what we believe in" -- an estimate below the nomination threshold -- doesn't equate to suspending his campaign or all that he can possibly expect to support him there as unbound free agents. Ron Paul: The Revolution Continues - June 6, 2012 ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Apparently, only the diehard Paul supporters believe the delegates are unbound. But it is something of a truism. Even electoral college delegates are, legally, unbound. That doesn't mean they go off to the EC and suddenly start overturning election results in their states. It appears that most the delegates do feel bound. In some states, they are directly bound as a matter of state law. In WV on May 8, they had proportional delegates with 22 for Romney, 2 for Santorum, 4 unbound, all directly elected GOP delegates. In NJ on June 5, they had winner-take-all of 50 delegates, all directly elected by voters. I sometimes suspect some of you aren't actually Ron Paul supporters because the ones that I know already are aware of the differences in state parties, elections, delegates, etc. 4um has a lot of opinions about Ron Paul but they rarely exhibit the kind of knowledge I expect to see among the hardcore Ron Paul cadre. And this persists, despite the fact that Obama clearly stole the 2008 nomination from Hitlery because he displayed a deep strategy for capturing every unbound delegate that wasn't nailed down.
good posts, both of you. you make some very astute points. there's one point that i think you're missing here and, that is, that many of us are disappointed again in what we see as a lack of honesty here not that we expected Ron Paul to be our saviour. i think all of us on 4um are more realistic than that. this is a repeat of 2008 when Ron Paul pulled out just before the Texas primary. we were led to believe that he had a delegate strategy. now with this, he's pulled the rug out from under all those who worked to become delegates and who planned to cast a vote for him at the convention. he pulled up short again and i am certain that that it was not a sudden decision. imo, he and Rand both owe his many, many supporters an immediate explanation. and one more thing...how is it after all the criticism of Romney heretofore can the Pauls suddenly do a 180 and endorse him (assuming Ron plans to also)? that to me is an abandonment of his principles.
The pub party will end up owing both. Please continue your excellent work as an ex-supporter of Ron Paul.
Agreed. So, how to stop them? Don't go along with them. Don't feed the animals. People hate what they are forced to do. But they hate the idea of cutting the cords even more. Freedom scares the crap out of most people. That's just one reason why I don't depend on them. It's not enough to be against the enemy. People have to be FOR something. Anyone that is against what's happening but doesn't create their own alternative is still under their power, because the focus is still only on the psychopaths. ------------------------------------------ Whenever there's resistance, examine your motivation. Whenever there's flow, consider taking action.
Do you honestly think that endorsements ever sway that many votes? The political pros say it can never help more than a few percent. At most. Even picking a VP from a state is assumed to never help more than 5% in that state. If it's a popular regional figure, like Christie for instance, you might pick up a point or two in bordering states. And that's the best you can hope for with a veep. Now what is the endorsement of the junior senator of 2 years worth to Romney. You really aren't reading the Tea leaves correctly.
Don't be led. People should be their own leader. That's how I see it. People are responsible for their own interests. People give their personal power over to others so they can be led. I;m just as guilty as anyone else in that I too was supportive of Paul, because I (mistakenly) believed he was our last hope to turn things around. But the way I see it now, things can't be turned around, and it doesn't matter who wins a (s)election. Not to get anyone to think that I like falling on my sword... but I made the mistake of believing that the answers were outside of me, not inside. These rat bastards are masters at getting people to think only of the external. They are not stupid. They know exactly what they are doing. It has kept them in power because it keeps the citizens focused on what the psychopaths are doing instead of what the self is doing. We could end this in a week, if a majoelrity told these monsters to drop dead, and meant it. But people being people, it might take a little more time than that. and one more thing...how is it after all the criticism of Romney heretofore can the Pauls suddenly do a 180 and endorse him (assuming Ron plans to also)? that to me is an abandonment of his principles. I don't believe he had any principles in the first place. He did it because it benefits him, not his constituents. ------------------------------------------ Whenever there's resistance, examine your motivation. Whenever there's flow, consider taking action.
Oh yeah, I know that. As I have told people, probably some on here, there might be a bond issue or something like that on the ballot to vote against. Otherwise the trip to the polls is probably a waste of time and gas. Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi "If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken "..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
If you don't vote, you don't have a right to complain. LOL. It's a stupid saying here locally that these sheeplike idiots bleat at every occasion, as though repetition makes it true. I think it's stupid and un-American to suggest any citizen can lose his rights to free speech because of how he chose to exercise his voting franchise. And I always explain this carefully. For some reason, I still don't get invited to nice cocktail parties.
Yes. But the Senate is all about being an insider, amassing power and favors so you can do more (in Rand's case, less) for all the party's constituents. It's easy to criticize Rand but you don't have all that many examples of American government shrinking. It's grown like a cancer rather steadily except for a few brief contractions following major wars or banking failures or the business cycle downturns. Certainly, other than Truman's sharp cutback of government after WW II, there are few examples of American government shrinking at all in the modern era, since WW I.
And this persists, despite the fact that Obama clearly stole the 2008 nomination from Hitlery because he displayed a deep strategy for capturing every unbound delegate that wasn't nailed down. I didn't get whatever point you were trying to make there. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
uh huh. And to those who would tell me that (and I know that you weren't saying it, just that others do) I would say, what is it that I am supposed to be voting for? A black man who is a proven liar, who has spent other people's money like it belonged to him or a white man who will do the very same thing? Tweddledumb and Tweedledumber are not worth voting for, they are both traitors and warmongers. Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi "If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken "..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
You knew I was a snake (politician) when you took me in ! (And a FED to boot). "The few who understand the [FEDERAL RESERVE] system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests." The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.
If we don't fight them Over There, we're going to have to fight them here. Who are "they"? What do they want? Why are my tax dollars being squandered to bring 'them' here to fight me? "I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs
When you're talking about Romney, you're talking about a ruthless ingrate -- a corporate raider who tookover the company of his Bain-benefactor (who had started him in business and financed him), and then fired the man as the reward for his favors. What do you suppose it's worth to Romney to devastate the Ron Paul movement's morale and cohesion through his junior senator son? What do you suppose Rand Paul thinks it was worth to his own career plans to kick his father's movement to the curb as he joined up with Romney's antithetical clique? ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Okay. I surrender to your awesome barrage of annoying cliches. Funning aside, I do get your point.
You better, I got stacks and stacks of People Magazines just sitting here looking at you accusingly! "I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs
Well, Rand only endorsed him. He didn't say he'd actually vote for him. Maybe Romney convinced him. The truth is that Romney may have entered politics in a completely unprincipled way, determined to outliberal the libs of Massachusetts, no matter what. He spent a small fortune in a completely hopeless race against Kennedy in the mid-Nineties. Romney's record was not all liberal either. More an efficiency nut but nowhere near as good at it as Mitch Daniels was in Indiana. This is basically bean-counting, job performance and organizational metrics, boring business school stuff. Romney wasn't too bad, Daniels was brilliant. People forget, whatever government we do agree to have should be a quality organization with proper internal performance controls. Anyway, we know that Mittster was lying then (to Massachusetts) or he's lying now (to the rest of us). And we know he's aware of how the GOP turned on his dad for saying we were "brainwashed" over Vietnam (I'd bet money that no lib reporter, however tricky, could ever get Mittster to utter the word "brainwash"). And Ford got primaried from the Right by Reagan who came within a hundred delegates of beating Ford who was still weakened enough to lose to Carter. And he noticed that Bush Senior got primaried from the Right (Buchanan) and then lost for betraying his No New Taxes pledge. So Mittster probably is just as willing to kowtow to us as he was to kowtow to libs. Unless he thinks he can flip us all to liberals (something most of his fellow-Mormons really oppose) and risk us dumping him. And the one Republican most likely to challenge him from the Right in 2016 (almost guaranteed to defeat him for the nomination or the general election) is probably Rand Paul.
They are who I tell you they are. And they want to kill your family in front of you, then gang rape you daughter, then kill her and arrange the weapons to make it seem they were attacking you. OOOPS - me bad - That was some elements of the United States Army in Iraq. Of course, I should have waited for White Rabbit to peak. "I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs
It's easy to criticize Rand but you don't have all that many examples of American government shrinking. It's grown like a cancer rather steadily except for a few brief contractions following major wars or banking failures or the business cycle downturns. Certainly, other than Truman's sharp cutback of government after WW II, there are few examples of American government shrinking at all in the modern era, since WW I. That is essentially, stripped down, an "ends justify the means" argument. "Everybody does it" is no different ethically from "I vas chust followink hoarders". The problem with returning government to its rightful bounds is that Somebody has to do it, and if Nobody does it, then Everybody loses. What did the dormouse say? Something about study hall?
"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs
??? Excerpts from: Will Ron Paul's battle transform the party? - Washington Times Communities battle was rejoined in the afternoon breakout session with Congressman Ron Paul. When Paul was introduced, the crowd gave him the rock star welcome anyone following the Republican primary has seen dozens of times. Shouts of “President Paul” and “End the Fed” reverberated throughout the arena. This wasn’t just agreement or support for a candidate’s electability or likeability. [sic] The energy and passion expressed for this old veteran stood in stark contrast to the reception speakers received earlier that day. Once the audience had calmed down, Congressman Paul prefaced his remarks by saying that he had been asked to speak on uniting the party and balancing the budget. Not a strange request given the fact that his fiscal conservatism is almost as well known as the fact that dissension within the Republican Party primarily emanates from the ideas he has championed. But Paul made it clear that he wasn’t going to play ball, or shall we call it what it is - politics. His speech was a virtual litany of the positions that have defined his candidacy, and there was no hint of compromise. Instead, he said, “Unity is important but what do we unify behind? No Child Left Behind? What about uniting around principle, around the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence?” [sic] In fact, there were so many standing ovations during the speech one could hardly keep count. The seats in the arena seemed almost pointless. These people had come ready for battle, and Paul was their champion leading the charge. On issue after issue, the congressman hammered home his message that freedom is the answer, not government, that individual liberties were the basis of a wealthy and prosperous nation, not a welfare state that impoverishes the middle class, decimates the poor and empowers the rich. He said that his positions were often criticized as ideas that would take the country back not forward. His answer was simple. “My ideas do come from the founding fathers. Gold and silver are still legal tender according to the Constitution. But big government, now that, is a very very old idea. There are those who say government is the answer, but they are the past; we are the future.” He concluded his remarks by saying that there was only one message which would unite the Republican Party and that message was freedom. Reposting a 4um video of Ron Paul's Speech at the Texas GOP Convention (1 of 4) ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
That is an extremely biased view of Romney's history, of Bain, and of Bain Capital. The founder of Bain was the problem according to industry accounts. Romney had already made his fortune and retired. Lawsuits were flying, the partners and clients were about to lose everything, the founder had gone a little nuts. Romney was the one that all parties agreed to have come and break the logjam that was destroying the company. Mitt came back and hammered out an agreement, one provision of which was that Bain's elderly founder would retire from daily management. Then Bain ended and Bain Capital began, it was Mitt's design for saving the company that had been long engaged in saving other troubled companies. You sound kind of like a DNC talking point email. There are things I don't like in Romney's business record, particularly the insanely high pay he gave to his employees, a practice that spread across Wall Street to these hugely inflated CEO salaries. Romney was very much a part of that very capitalistic style. IOW, the rich traders and MBA guys definitely got a lot richer. Romney does have the worldview of a very high-end corporate type with all the baggage it brings. So, contrary to the usual rants, Romney is nothing like Obama. Or most pols we've seen in a very long time. I do think that Romney will want two terms (his clock was ticking fairly loud even as a one-term governor and he missed his shot in '08). In his first term, Romney will be very cautious with the base and conservative issues, judicial appointments. It is in a second term that Romney would be dangerous.
These arguments grow circular and a little tiresome. People love to rant about the Constitution and the Founders, none more than Ron Paul. But what is often neglected is exactly how the Founders performed once the Constitution was ratified as they became the early congressmen and senators and served as president. Constitutionalism isn't quite so neat once you have politicians and lawyers involved. It's never neat, never pretty.
I'll keep that in mind come November. :) "I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs
What you are not comparing is Romney's flip flopping term in state executive. He was for mandates and Obamacare and gun control and abortions. He's a consistent flip flopper........like Obama.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
These arguments grow circular and a little tiresome. People love to rant about the Constitution and the Founders, none more than Ron Paul. But what is often neglected is exactly how the Founders performed once the Constitution was ratified as they became the early congressmen and senators and served as president. Constitutionalism isn't quite so neat once you have politicians and lawyers involved. It's never neat, never pretty. And I never did say it was neat or pretty, but I would like to think that I have fundamental principles which I will not compromise. And though the founding fathers were less than perfect the most ingenious thing about the Constitution was that they recognized that which is why we were to be a nation of laws not of men. Neither does imperfection in man relieve us of trying to live up to and promote the ideals which are fundamental to a free society. There is no such thing as "limited free speech" or "kinda' honest elections". All of these are issues which are old territory in philosophy. The reality is that while we may not achieve absolute perfection striving for an ideal, and defending principles, which serve the greatest good is the basis of a free and just society. To throw up ones hands and say that because men, and women, are less than perfect and therefore we should accept compromise and dilution of fundamental principles is to lose before you begin. Or 'almost' free trade, subject to state approval? "I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs
I was agreeable to most of all you were saying until you got there. Honestly, isn't it his last name that makes you put so much stock in him as a contender? Surely you can see others more suitable otherwise? Has Mitch Daniels fallen out of favor with you by cavorting with the Bilderbergs? By my observations, Rand Paul hasn't endeared himself to many professed Ron Paul Republicans roundabout besides you with his Romney endorsement. Au contraire. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
That is an extremely biased view of Romney's history, of Bain, and of Bain Capital. You sound kind of like a DNC talking point email. I do think that Romney will want two terms (his clock was ticking fairly loud even as a one-term governor and he missed his shot in '08). In his first term, Romney will be very cautious with the base and conservative issues, judicial appointments. It is in a second term that Romney would be dangerous. Can you answer these two questions now? What do you suppose it's worth to Romney to devastate the Ron Paul movement's morale and cohesion through his junior senator son? What do you suppose Rand Paul thinks it was worth to his own career plans to kick his father's movement to the curb as he joined up with Romney's antithetical clique? ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
What's neglected more is mention of the means they provided in the Constitution for enforcement of it to arrest insurrectionists against it. Edited for spelling. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Meh. Don't think I'm telling you to vote for the Mormo-American. He leaves a lot to be desired. He's just not Obama. At best, we can assume that Obama will attempt to destroy this country entirely through appointments to the Court since his legislative agenda stalled even with his own party (0 votes in either branch of Congress for his 2013 budget and similar results on his other legislation). Romney might destroy the country but it would be far more likely to occur in a second term as he has good cause to fear the conservative base and a challenger from the Right in 2016. Romney is worrisome in other ways, just not the kind of imminent peril that the Kenyan represents. It's like the quandary of eastern Europe during WW II: who's worse, Hitler or Stalin?
His state's legislature was 85% Kennedy liberal Dems. You think he had much choice on some of these? He says that, once he dragged the state out of deep red ink, the Dems were hellbent on state healthcare. There is considerable evidence that this was true. We do know he is duplicitous though. We have to figure out if he'll stab the libs in the back for us as president just as freely as he stabbed conservatives in the back when he was pandering to the libs of MA to run for Senate or as gov. I still say he would be truly dangerous to conservatives in a second term, not a first. JMO. My decoder ring just isn't up to the job. I still wonder if Romney even knows what he is, other than a guy who just wants to be prez.
A lovely sentiment for a man who was gifted $20 million on his 21st birthday by his gangster-father-gone-legit.
I think they cavorted with him. He retired from Lilly with over $20M and he isn't about the money anyway. I don't go in much for all the Jonesy Bildy stuff because it never seems to amount to anything, despite years of alarmist posts about them. Rich weirdos rubbing shoulders with pols, Hollywood, libmedia. It's hardly their only outlet (CFR, etc.). We'll see. There certainly is a snit going on. But this is about Rand positioning himself in the Senate, not about actually trying to get any RP Republicans to vote for Romney. It would, of course, make Rand's support a little more valuable (not much) if some RP folk actually did vote for Romney, especially in a swing state. But no one is counting on that happening nor should Rand expect any rewards if they do.
ha! If ron paul endroses romney his legacy will be, if not already, relegated to the trashbin of history. right where it deserves to be. and as FL said, his son rand will be known as treaterous filth for all time, by anyone with sense. "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Martin, I have been out all day. has Adam Kokesh's interview with Penny Freeman been posted on 4um? Here it is.. WATCH
When you're talking about Romney, you're talking about a ruthless ingrate -- a corporate raider who tookover the company of his Bain-benefactor (who had started him in business and financed him), and then fired the man as the reward for his favors. What do you suppose it's worth to Romney to devastate the Ron Paul movement's morale and cohesion through his junior senator son? What do you suppose Rand Paul thinks it was worth to his own career plans to kick his father's movement to the curb as he joined up with Romney's antithetical clique? The key point that keeps getting missed is that Rand is a Scofield Zionist - he let that slip early on. That colors all of his thinking and is why he can betray his father to cozy up to Mittens. It is about End Times and I-S-R-A-E-L. Rand by all appearances and comments has a different theological point of view and different beliefs and that one small, superficially, difference makes all the world's difference in what to expect from him in terms of his reactions. As well the son does not speak for the father but for himself only. We'll have to wait and see how Ron handles this. What did he let slip? Rand is no theo-con. And Scofield was dead well before Zionism became any sort of a real movement.
I've begun to welcome this meaningless endorsement by Rand now. Because it will help us weed out the malcontents, the born-losers and the self-appointed generals out of the Liberty movement. Don't let the door hit you in the ass.
What did he let slip? Rand is no theo-con. And Scofield was dead well before Zionism became any sort of a real movement. If you take a close look at Kristyun Zionazism virturally every sect and group that are Kristyun Zionazis are sects that use the Scofield Bible. That is before you get to who funded the convicted felon Scofield i.e., the Rothshchilds. And Zionism was alive and kicking at the time of publication of the original Scofield Reference Bible (further revised in 1967) Here's an excerpt that is very "illuminative": "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." -- Matthew 7:20 "At the outbreak of the American Civil War, Cyrus I. Scofield (1843-1921), a Michigan native, lied about his age in order to enlist in the Confederate Army in 1861, where he served in the 7th Tennessee infantry for a year. In 1866 he married a Roman Catholic girl named Leontine Cerre. They had two girls, Abigail and Helene. According to sweetliberty.org (3), as a young con-artist in Kansas after the Civil War, Scofield met up with John J. Ingalls, an aging Jewish lawyer/senator. Pulling strings both in Kansas and with his compatriots back east, Ingalls assisted Scofield in gaining admission to the Bar and procured his appointment as the federal attorney for Kansas. Scofield committed perjury when he took his oath, stating that he had never voluntarily borne arms against the United States. He was forced to resign after six months because of questionable financial transactions. By 1877, Scofield was making a living on swindles and schemes and writing bogus checks. Ingalls and Scofield became partners in a railroad scam which led to Scofield serving time for criminal forgery. In 1879, while he was in prison, a group of Christian women who had a jail ministry witnessed to Scofield and he made a profession of faith in Christ. He then began to study the writings of John Darby and embraced Darby’s theology about the rapture and the need for Jews to resettle the land of Israel Upon his release from the prison, Scofield began to work in the evangelical campaign of D. L. Moody. In 1879, Scofield became acting secretary of the YMCA and was licensed to preach in 1880. (4) Torell (3) stated he believes that Ingalls informed his Jewish peers that Scofield would be the perfect candidate to develop and penetrate fundamental Christian churches and denominations. All it would take was the right "handlers" and cash. At this time Scofield "happened to be in the one city" singled out by Darby for "planting the seed" of his "special brand of Bible teaching," and they met. Then on November 6, 1879, a criminal case against Scofield was dismissed in an Appeals Court. In 1877, Scofield had deserted his first wife and his two daughters and left them destitute. According Wikipedia, this was "perhaps because of alcoholism," but Joseph Canfield (3) asserts: "The very sudden quashing of the criminal charges without proper adjudication suggests that Scofield’s career was in the hands of someone who had clout never available to either Ingalls, Pomeroy, or anyone of the Choteau Clan. But, the career was to be of such a nature that Leontine, the Catholic wife, had to go." Scofield then took as his mistress a young girl from the St. Louis Flower Mission. He later abandoned her for Hettie Hall von Wartz whom he married in 1884. Leontine filed for divorce in 1881, finalized in 1883, listing "abandonment" as a reason. The apostle Paul wrote in 1 Timothy 3:2-4: "A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre….One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity." Scofield’s supporters kept his background secret for a long time in order to make him a licensed minister of the Gospel. The only biography his life is a collection of "Sunday School" articles by Charles G. Trumbull. Published into a book, The Life Story of C.I. Scofield in 1920 by the Oxford Press, it is the official "white wash" to clean up Scofield for future generations. It contains many inaccuracies, including a "conversion" story that happens, not in jail, but at a law office that did not even exist at the time. The Scofield Reference Bible In 1895 Scofield was asked to be a pastor at one of Moody’s churches in Northfield, MA. By now he had built up a "clean" reputation and was ready to be moved there to larger work. He seemed to have access to money above what he earned as a minister; his backers included New York Jewish lawyer Samuel Untermeyer and Union 76 oil baron Lyman Stewart. In 1901, Scofield was offered a membership in the Lotus Club of New York, a prestigious club in the literary circles of the United States catering to non-Christians. This was a club in which one had to be invited and have a sponsor. He settled there and listed it as his residence for the next 20 years. It was here that he presented his ideas for a new Christian Bible concordance, and was taken under the wing of Untermeyer (1858-1941)—a criminal attorney well known for his political connections, bribery and for being a fanatical Zionist agent of the Rothschild banking cartel. Untermeyer introduced Scofield to numerous Zionist and socialist leaders, including Samuel Gompers, Fiorello LaGuardia, Abraham Straus, Bernard Baruch and Jacob Schiff. These people financed Scofield’s research trips to Oxford and arranged for the publication and distribution of his concordance. One of Scofield’s first moves in producing his reference Bible was to take a trip to the British Isles for research. He immediately sought out the controversial scholars Westcott and Hort in London. Hailed as Bible scholars, both men were very active in occult rituals. Westcott had formed a secret club called "Hermes," noted for aggressive homosexual activities between its members. In 1851, Hort and Westcott also started the Ghost Society, which was first billed as the study of spiritual events, but in time it became more of a séance group. Its members included Arthur Balfour who, in 1917, bequeathed Palestine to the Rothschilds as "a national home for the Jewish people." The following passage is from page two of the Introduction to the 1945 edition of the Scofield Bible: "….The discovery of the Sinaitic MS, and the labours in the field of textual criticism of such scholars as…..Westcott and Hort, have cleared the Greek Textus Receptus of minor inaccuracies….." The comment memorializes Scofield’s reliance on Wescott and Hort and explains Scofield’s justification for tampering with the word of God. And the reason is… "Why would a wealthy German Jew like Untermeyer living in America sponsor Scofield and spend money on a man who was working on a new Bible translation and preaching Jesus Christ?" Torell asked. Jewish leaders long ago recognized the bonanza for them if they could force the teaching of an imminent rapture on Christians and move them to abandon their moral hold on society. Darby was financially supported and Scofield, Darby’s successor, could make this teaching central in all Christian churches. Removal of Christians from politics and public schools would leave the door open for Jewish writers and political leaders to move in and remove the Bible and prayer from public schools and political institutions. The ACLU is a Jewish organization, having only a few Gentiles in it for window dressing, he stated. In 1907, the International Zionist movement had its "payday" when, after some 120 years they were finally able to have a document produced that would forever change the theology of Christian churches around the world so that, in time, believers in Christ would be transformed into Christian Zionists. Even though they had to "pay good money" to further the cause of fundamentalism, it was worth it to them because the fundamentalists would be led like a bull with a ring in his nose in the direction the Jewish masters wanted them to go. Forty-one years later, the political state of Israel came into existence. "Without the Scofield Bible, it never would have happened," Torell said." I call foul.........you post 99 and then swoop in for 100. I've been duped again. AAARRRGGG! I don't like dirty tricks, Pilgrim. : ) " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Oh well, you snooze, you lose. Not bad until he started going talking about the Holohoax. I get really tired of that "event" being given more credibility in things not even slightly related to the damn thing. Let's put things in perspective. Rand is not Ron, and him endorsing Romney in no way means he agrees with him on everything, just that he prefers him over Obama. He said clearly his first choice was his father, so he obviously doesn't agree with Romney on most issues, just enough to choose him over Obama. He still shouldn't have done it, but it is not quite the big deal people are making it out to be. What bothers me more about Rand is his vote for economic sanctions against Iran. That really bothers me because there he took a stand and it was a stand for war against a nation that is no threat to us, and is no threat to Israel. I also did not like him saying that Israel is our friend and we will stand by Israel. Please! A friend doesn't bomb your ship trying to sink it and blow up the WTC towers to get you to fight for them. Israel and Talmudic following Jews, which is most of them, are no friends of the USA and Christians. God is always good!
You? What about me? He led me down the garden path, slowly building the post count, just to swoop in and grab the brass ring. I feel so used.
liberty-minded people by nature tend to be individualists, this arent drawn to groupthink. It doesnt really matter if anyone disagrees about rand, to each hs own.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Rugged individualism is just fine. But you have to operate with group cohesion to prevail against both major political factions (the rival crime families of the District of Criminals). Keep your eyes on the ball and consider the war, not just the current battle.
That derb nubbed gardener! lol " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#2. To: christine (#0)
#3. To: christine (#1)
his final words.."what do you say? it's over."
#4. To: TooConservative (#3)
#5. To: TooConservative (#3)
The real Liberty movement isn't dropping out at all
~ the truth will set ya free, but only after it pisses ya off ~
#6. To: TooConservative (#2)
#7. To: TooConservative (#2)
If you intend to demand purist perfection, you may as well give up voting.
at home, non-white criminals prey upon our wives and daughters and this is not called war.
#8. To: Obnoxicated (#6)
#9. To: randge, 4 (#4)
Forgive me if I vote my conscience and vote third party or stay the hell out of it for good and all.
#10. To: randge (#4)
Well in sooth, there are those among us that believe that there is something DEEPLY wrong with ‘the system.’ Things are irreparably and dangerously out of kilter in many respects.
Forgive me if I vote my conscience and vote third party or stay the hell out of it for good and all.
#11. To: Obnoxicated (#6)
Well, if it gets too boring for you here, I'm sure there are some name calling threads at LP that could use your amazing insight.
#12. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#7)
That's why the party welcomes David Duke.
#13. To: TooConservative (#12)
at home, non-white criminals prey upon our wives and daughters and this is not called war.
#14. To: TooConservative (#10)
The mistake is believing all of this happened very suddenly or recently. It didn't. It's long-term incrementalism, much of it with statist roots from the Civil War era which hijacked the original era of constitutionalism.
#15. To: TooConservative (#2)
#16. To: randge (#14)
#17. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#15)
Carlist fascist Buckley was a deep-cover CIA officer who deployed both real Nazis and neo-Nazis - see his CIA background.
#18. To: TooConservative (#2)
I'll sit back and wait for 4um's usual doom-mongers to show up and piss themselves
#19. To: Turtle (#18)
They're going to ban guns! British bankers! The Rothschilds! Jews! Conpiracies!!! EVERYTHING IS A CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!!!
#20. To: TooConservative (#17)
#21. To: randge (#20)
I am not a perfectionist. But I am not a collaborator, and I won't support collaborators either.
#22. To: christine, 4 (#1)
his final words.."what do you say? it's over."
#23. To: TooConservative (#21)
Anyway, the Liberty movement has made tremendous progress since 2008. We should think twice before throwing that away.
#24. To: christine (#0)
(Edited)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#25. To: randge (#23)
Forgive me if I've put too fine a point on it. Lots of us are heaps pissed off today.
#26. To: PSUSA2, randge (#22)
I could only stand about 1 minute of his sniveling. I despise whiners. I just hate them with a passion.
#27. To: All (#26)
#28. To: TooConservative (#26)
The Empire vs. the Boomers. But you can't win if you desert the battle. History is not made by the fickle or the timid.
#29. To: TooConservative (#27)
Richie Proffitt: I guess the 30 minute meeting with Mittens was actually a 12 hour lobotomy. Maybe the whole zombies thing is to get us to fall in line and vote status quo. Meh.
#30. To: abraxas, PSUSA2, FormerLurker, randge, christine (#29)
Richie Proffitt: I guess the 30 minute meeting with Mittens was actually a 12 hour lobotomy. Maybe the whole zombies thing is to get us to fall in line and vote status quo. Meh.
#31. To: TooConservative (#30)
Rand knew this would be the outcome, notice his remarks about his dad's followers who think they rule the internet...he knew this would be coming.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#32. To: PSUSA2 (#28)
IMO the only way to fix it is to view it from the outside looking in, destroy it, and evolve into another system. Even if it could be fixed, history would repeat itself. But imo people aren't ready to evolve in the numbers needed. Not yet anyway.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#33. To: FormerLurker (#31)
ANY idiot should have known what to expect if they betrayed their country and their own father's presidential campaign...
#34. To: TooConservative (#30)
It's a political party, not the Donner Party. [
#35. To: randge (#4)
But at a more conventional level of contemplation even the less radical of us see that we are being served two choices: WAR and DEFICITS or –WAR and DEFICITS. Folks are still voting R or D and whatever they are served up, the result will be more fruitless foreign adventures and more insane borrowing. The only difference is whether you’re inclined to shovel those heaps of FRNs into yet more Bolshevik fiddling around or into a major two front war.
#36. To: TooConservative (#33)
Those are the facts. You seem to be in denial about it.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#37. To: abraxas, FormerLurker, PSUSA2, randge, christine (#34)
I like it.....a LOT! : )
I am excited about the liberty movement.....but, I do not see it progressing within the two party fraud and I don't think we have more decades to waste on hoping/trying to make it progress.
#38. To: James Deffenbach (#35)
You got it. A vote for either one of the establishment clowns--clowns who aren't funny--just insures more war and more debt. 'Ef 'em! I don't vote for Tweedledumb or his brother, Tweedledumber.
#39. To: TooConservative (#37)
But, of course, some people would rather scream "Betrayal" and take their marbles and go home. Well, good riddance.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#40. To: christine (#0)
#41. To: abraxas (#40)
#42. To: Lod (#41)
#43. To: FormerLurker (#32)
Most rational people
#44. To: abraxas (#42)
#45. To: FormerLurker (#39)
Good luck on your fantasy world though, I'm sure it'll work out just as you expect... /sarc
#46. To: PSUSA2 (#43)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#47. To: TooConservative (#45)
Good luck with honing your obvious talents as a born loser.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#48. To: Lod (#44)
#49. To: TooConservative (#45)
BTW, did you somehow think that Ron Paul would, alone, win the presidency, transform the country, then live forever to keep things nice and tidy for you? Do you even understand the political parties have farm teams, just like sports does?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#50. To: FormerLurker (#46)
What do you really think would happen in an allout revolution these days here in the US?
#51. To: PSUSA2 (#50)
That's not to say that people won't go batshit insane, but that is not a revolution. That's just chaos. I don't know how people will react. I'm pretty sure I know how the subhumans will react. Deep down, all humans know how the apes will react.
I support the occupation
Fuck it if it kills me. Liberty before death.
#52. To: FormerLurker (#47)
I don't consider kissing the ass of my enemy and allowing him to dictate my future, "winning".
#53. To: TooConservative, 4 (#52)
#54. To: titorite (#51)
what is that old saying? It's a governments job to pretend to fail???
#55. To: Lod (#53)
It's been said here before, but I too believe that the ultimate, big-time loser in this stupendous CF will be rand paul.
#56. To: PSUSA2 (#54)
What is their definition of "success"?
I support the occupation
Fuck it if it kills me. Liberty before death.
#57. To: TooConservative (#55)
Rand could possibly succeed with a bit of luck on a scale that Ron never dreamed of.
#58. To: TooConservative (#33)
Ron Paul emailed supporters yesterday to indicate he expected no more than 500 delegates total (obviously including some of the unreliable Santorum/Gingrich delegates).
#59. To: GreyLmist (#58)
Reporting a conservative-estimate of the number of delegates that he's expecting in Tampa to "Stand up for what we believe in" -- an estimate below the nomination threshold -- doesn't equate to suspending his campaign or all that he can possibly expect to support him there as unbound free agents.
#60. To: TooConservative, PSUSA2 (#26)
#61. To: Cynicom (#57)
Ah yes.
#62. To: titorite (#56)
(Edited)
They want us to go along with the play of hard dull work, justice preveils, shop wal mart consumer citizen tax payer.
#63. To: christine (#60)
and one more thing...how is it after all the criticism of Romney heretofore can the Pauls suddenly do a 180 and endorse him (assuming Ron plans to also)? that to me is an abandonment of his principles.
#64. To: christine (#60)
we were led to believe that he had a delegate strategy.
#65. To: TooConservative (#38)
You can choose to vote how you wish regardless of what Rand says.
#66. To: James Deffenbach (#65)
#67. To: PSUSA2 (#64)
He did it because it benefits him, not his constituents.
#68. To: TooConservative (#59)
I sometimes suspect some of you aren't actually Ron Paul supporters because the ones that I know already are aware of the differences in state parties, elections, delegates, etc. 4um has a lot of opinions about Ron Paul but they rarely exhibit the kind of knowledge I expect to see among the hardcore Ron Paul cadre.
#69. To: TooConservative (#66)
If you don't vote, you don't have a right to complain.
#70. To: christine (#60)
#71. To: TooConservative (#66)
If you don't vote, you don't have a right to complain.
#72. To: TooConservative (#63)
what is the endorsement of the junior senator of 2 years worth to Romney.
#73. To: Dakmar (#71)
If we don't fight them Over There, we're going to have to fight them here. Who are "they"? What do they want? Why are my tax dollars being squandered to bring 'them' here to fight me?
#74. To: TooConservative (#73)
(Edited)
I surrender to your awesome barrage of annoying cliches.
#75. To: GreyLmist (#72)
(Edited)
When you're talking about Romney, ...
#76. To: Dakmar (#71)
Who are "they"? What do they want?
"Satan / Cheney in "08" 
#77. To: tom007 (#76)
They are who I tell you they are.
#78. To: TooConservative (#67)
But the Senate is all about being an insider, amassing power and favors so you can do more (in Rand's case, less) for all the party's constituents.
#79. To: tom007 (#76)
#80. To: christine (#60)
he's pulled the rug out from under all those who worked to become delegates and who planned to cast a vote for him at the convention. he pulled up short again
FORT WORTH - The Fort Worth convention center welcomed delegates to the Texas Republican State Convention on Thursday morning June 7th with a few rousing bagpipe tunes. [sic]
#81. To: GreyLmist (#72)
When you're talking about Romney, you're talking about a ruthless ingrate -- a corporate raider who tookover the company of his Bain-benefactor (who had started him in business and financed him), and then fired the man as the reward for his favors.
#82. To: Original_Intent (#78)
That is essentially, stripped down, an "ends justify the means" argument.
#83. To: TooConservative (#81)
So, contrary to the usual rants, Romney is nothing like Obama.
#84. To: TooConservative (#81)
#85. To: TooConservative (#82)
That is essentially, stripped down, an "ends justify the means" argument.
"Whenever you decide that you are willing to settle for second best that is what your wind up with in life, I find." ~ John Fitzgerald Kennedy
#86. To: Original_Intent (#85)
Neither does imperfection in man relieve us of trying to live up to and promote the ideals which are fundamental to a free society. There is no such thing as "limited free speech" or "kinda' honest elections".
#87. To: TooConservative (#75)
the one Republican most likely to challenge [Mittster] from the Right in 2016 (almost guaranteed to defeat him for the nomination or the general election) is probably Rand Paul.
#88. To: TooConservative (#81)
Excerpts from your post:
#89. To: TooConservative (#82)
(Edited)
People love to rant about the Constitution and the Founders, none more than Ron Paul. But what is often neglected is exactly how the Founders performed once the Constitution was ratified as they became the early congressmen and senators and served as president.
#90. To: Dakmar (#83)
I'll keep that in mind come November.
#91. To: abraxas (#84)
What you are not comparing is Romney's flip flopping term in state executive. He was for mandates and Obamacare and gun control and abortions. He's a consistent flip flopper........like Obama.
#92. To: Original_Intent (#85)
"Whenever you decide that you are willing to settle for second best that is what your wind up with in life, I find." ~ John Fitzgerald Kennedy
#93. To: GreyLmist (#87)
Has Mitch Daniels fallen out of favor with you by cavorting with the Bilderbergs?
By my observations, Rand Paul hasn't endeared himself to many professed Ron Paul Republicans roundabout besides you with his Romney endorsement.
#94. To: christine (#60)
and one more thing...how is it after all the criticism of Romney heretofore can the Pauls suddenly do a 180 and endorse him (assuming Ron plans to also)? that to me is an abandonment of his principles
#95. To: Artisan, ALL, (#94)
#96. To: GreyLmist, TooConservative (#72)
what is the endorsement of the junior senator of 2 years worth to Romney.
#97. To: Original_Intent (#96)
The key point that keeps getting missed is that Rand is a Scofield Zionist - he let that slip early on.
#98. To: Artisan (#94)
ha! If ron paul endroses romney his legacy will be, if not already, relegated to the trashbin of history. right where it deserves to be. and as FL said, his son rand will be known as treaterous filth for all time, by anyone with sense.
#99. To: TooConservative (#97)
The key point that keeps getting missed is that Rand is a Scofield Zionist - he let that slip early on.
#100. To: All (#99)
(Edited)
#101. To: Original_Intent (#100)
#102. To: abraxas (#101)
#103. To: christine (#0)
#104. To: abraxas (#101)
I call foul.........you post 99 and then swoop in for 100. I've been duped again. AAARRRGGG!
#105. To: TooConservative (#98)
#106. To: Artisan (#105)
liberty-minded people by nature tend to be individualists, this arent drawn to groupthink.
#107. To: TooConservative, Original_Intent (#104)
He led me down the garden path,
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