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Title: Why Rand Was Right to Endorse Romney (another point of view)
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URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERI52UndhE4&feature=youtu.be
Published: Jun 10, 2012
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Post Date: 2012-06-10 11:07:06 by christine
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#13. To: Pinguinite (#9)
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Yes, ironically, he did spark it -- then it got co-opted into a Mad-Hatter pack of War Partiers and Big Spenders by the Astroturfing Neocon-RINOs: From Wikipedia: Tea Party movement The elder Paul is described by some as the "intellectual godfather" of the movement. The theme of the Boston Tea Party, an iconic event in American history, has long been used by anti-tax protesters. It was part of Tax Day protests held throughout the 1990s and earlier. the anniversary of the original Boston Tea Party was commemorated on December 16, 2007, by Republican Congressman Ron Paul supporters who held a "Boston tea- party event" in 2007 which was a fundraiser for the Ron Paul 2008 Presidential Campaign which advocated an end to fiat money and the Federal Reserve System, disengaging from foreign entanglements in Iraq and Afghanistan, and upholding States' rights. Fox News commentator Juan Williams says that the TPM emerged from the ashes of Paul's 2008 presidential primary campaign. I've read that "Tea Partier" Sarah Palin is called "Momma Grizzly" so maybe she's their mascot. Buncha Constitution disloyalists and ingrates. Edited for spelling. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
To get it out of the way and let things settle down. So the RP folk stop fundraising and running events for RP and turn their efforts toward Liberty candidates like Bills in MN and Cruz in TX. So Ron can get some rest. He's about 77, probably completely exhausted. Tons of reasons. If you want the single best political reason, it is because you get the most for your chips by cashing them in and leaving the game in an orderly way. You've built your stake for the next round.
Among Paul supporters, it's had the opposite effect. I don't buy that. Ron Paul could have simply announced as much. Would have been much cleaner. He has well earned his retirement, but he shouldn't do that until after he crosses the Tampa finish line. If you want to say he's done it for political reasons just as the vid above explains, then I'll just stand by my prior comments.
I supported him, too, but there have been Neocon-RINO traits exhibited by him before this. A March RINO example for expansion of government tyranny: Congress passes anti-protest law (Senate unanimous; all but 3 in House vote “aye”). A bill passed Monday in the US House of Representatives and Thursday in the Senate would make it a felony—a serious criminal offense punishable by lengthy terms of incarceration—to participate in many forms of protest associated with the Occupy Wall Street protests of last year. Several commentators have dubbed it the “anti-Occupy” law, but its implications are far broader. The bill—H.R. 347, or the “Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act of 2011”—was passed by unanimous consent in the Senate, while only Ron Paul and two other Republicans voted against the bill in the House of Representatives (the bill passed 388-3). Not a single Democratic politician voted against the bill. The big hallmark of Neocons is their Warmongering Interventionist Foreign Policy and Rand Paul has displayed several examples of that: Afghanistan funding; keep Gitmo open; Iran threat-rhetoric and sanctions; keep the threat of nuclear weapons usage by us on the table, which his father calls genocidal. Rand Paul won his Kentucky seat for the Senate by running against a Neocon candidate's agenda. Maybe now he thinks he doesn't need to win Kentucky's votes again, in a Senate race or a Presidential race. Edited second sentence for month-date. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
This report implies rather than clearly states Rand voted for the bill. Unanimous consent may have been a voice vote or something, and Rand may not have been there. Or the report itself may be just wrong. If he's voted for such things, I'd prefer to see it clearly recorded on official record before I'd disown him. Misinformation is nothing new.
If he's voted for such things, I'd prefer to see it clearly recorded on official record before I'd disown him. Misinformation is nothing new. It's often more difficult for me to locate an official log of Senate votes on legislation than roll calls of House votes but that's not the only report of it as passing by unanimous consent of the Senate. I think unanimous consent means without objection by anyone present (a Ref.) -- no objection, no vote taken so as to pass something quickly; usually (or supposedly so) for non-controversial matters -- which that definitely wasn't non-controversial. If Rand Paul wasn't there to object, why not? I may have missed a statement from him on that and the Senate's passage but don't recall one. His father managed to vote against it in the House, busy though he's been as a campaigning candidate for President. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
He sure didn't look like he was playing their game to me when he was spiking the Patriot Act alone and forcing them into robopen madness. But this puny meaningless endorsement now means everything to you? I can tell none of you have ever been in a political office or elected board and had to hold the line against the majority and its statist media parrots. Let me just say that it is not as easy as you seem to think.
I didn't think it needed to be spelled out any plainer than it was. Ron's career is done. He made it clear. Rand and the other Liberty candidates are our future. This isn't the time to throw a purist hissy fit.
No, you're right is isn't. It's simply time to look reality in the face. Big things are afoot, and O'bomber is about to be politely deposed in favor of the Mormon. Big chunks of the Dem Party are falling off the incumbent's bandwagon and are beginning to move against him. Plans for the coronation of the challenger are well underway. Constitutionalists, Sons of Liberty, advocates of limited government, what have you are going to get no closer to the levers of power than you'd let your tattoed, pot smokin' nephew near the throttles of your spanking new 60-foot Sea Ray. Purists are invited to watch the show. I don't agree with this part. We elect Bills in MN and Cruz in TX and add them to Coburn, DeMint, Rand Paul, and Mike Lee and we have enough for our own Gang Of Six From Hell On Steroids. You can't elect just one person and expect them to move the world for you. They are not Atlases.
As long as we're contemplating Hellenistic pathos here, let's hope they don't wind up like Laokoon & his sons. Laocoön warned his fellow Trojans against the wooden horse presented to the city by the Greeks. Dang, you matched my artsy-fartsy post and raised me. Of course, I could never post such pics at LP; the Posse would be gulping Sterno by the bucket and propositioning every male on the forum.
Yeah, it's definitely a highbrow crowd here. You can tender a point or disagree with someone here and not have to endure being labeled a dishonorable asshole or a libturd hypocrite. Things are very starchy at christine's house. You hobnobbin' with the best. I recall a few more intemperate moments. Didn't someone call me, what was that, a "Jewy cunt" here once, along with a few other choice names? They probably don't even remember it now. That I am Gentile and male means my feelings weren't hurt at all. But discussion here is a lot more polite overall than what LP has sunk to and there is no Posse here constantly trolling about like some juvenile bullies. LP used to be considerably better moderated but Goldi hardly moderates it at all now. She appears not to read it or post on it for days at a time if you look at her posting history.
This forum is light on the moderation, so you're going to see that kind of slop for sure. The anonymity we get from posting on forums leads participants to use language that, under ordinary circumstances, would cause me to drop my spec's on the lawn and punch the other guy's lights out. The best policy from my point of view is just not to talk to such folks. That's how you cast your vote for decorum. I'm not a prude, and I can cuss like a pro, but when you let discussion degenerate the way it has over there, you're just talkin' trash & the whole enterprise loses its meaning. Oh, I still talk to him and he to me. I dunno if he remembers, doubt he would care anyway. If I'm in the mood, I can dish out a bit of it myself. Anyway, maybe I being a bit nitpicky over your general characterization of 4um as a polite forum.
I do go out on a limb sometimes. I think it's the heat. It ain't really rained in my corner of Texas in a while, and I believe that I'm suffering from a minor case of sunstroke. You can safely ignore about half the things I say.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” —Samuel Adams America: Israel's Handmaiden
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” —Samuel Adams America: Israel's Handmaiden
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” —Samuel Adams America: Israel's Handmaiden
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” —Samuel Adams America: Israel's Handmaiden
I'll let that pass, but be warned when the SHTF I will track you down Mr. Stratton. ; ]
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” —Samuel Adams America: Israel's Handmaiden
A friend of mine has a ranch in the central hill country there. He called me an hour ago and said that, even though they've had a bit of rain this year, the last two years were so bad it killed a lot of cedar trees. Man, that's dry. And his game ranch in south Texas is just a disaster. That 10+ year drought is back.
What if the Pauls extracted promises of major financial and party support for Cruz in Texas and for Bills in MN? Would that be worth it? I'm just posing an example. That wouldn't involve a convention speech or the party platform. Just two superb Ron Paul Republicans. Romney and the RNC wouldn't even have to do it themselves. They could arrange for someone else to supply the funds. I'm just saying that something like that would be worth the trade. In any event, Rand's endorsement is necessary. And I'm more than a little tired of all the wannabe's whining about something so meaningless. IMO, every last Ron Paul supporter in the country should pledge to support Romney. Then just vote however they feel like. It would be the best way to maximize our impact within the party and prepare for the 2014/2016 cycle.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” —Samuel Adams America: Israel's Handmaiden
Sure he does. You know him well. Look, I'm not saying anyone should punish him or anything. Everyone has a remark like that now and then. It's when that's all you ever say that you're into Gay Canary territory. It isn't christine's job to make us all play nice. No one is paying her $350,000 a year like RimJob gets. Well, supposedly.
Soon, I'll have you all in bifocals. : )
Then you agree with Rockwell and the others and shouldn't ever bother to vote. For that matter, to be consistent, you shouldn't care whether Rand endorsed or didn't endorse. You're saying it makes no difference. In which case, you believe democracy has utterly failed and we've succumbed irreparably to an oligarchic empire, much as the Romans did. Again, you can't hold such views and still vote as any meaningful exercise of power.
But could Nietzsche put a .30-06 bullet through the ear of that dumb ass standing on the rocks thinking profound thoughts as he stares at the Big Water? Then what good is Nietzsche anyway?
Sufferin' catfish. We can't catch a break. I am praying for tropical weather... How do you know what he's thinking? "No government nowadays admits that it maintains an army so as to satisfy it's occasional thirst for conquest. The army is supposed to be for defense, that morality which sanctions self protection is called upon to be it's advocate. This is how all states now confront one another. They presuppose an evil disposition in their neighbor and a benevolent disposition in themselves. This presupposition, however, is a piece of inhumanity as bad as, if not worse than, a war would be. The doctrine of the army as a means of self-defense must be renounced just as completely as the thirst for conquest. And perhaps there will come a great day on which a nation distinguished for wars and victories and for the highest development of military discipline and thinking, and accustomed to making the heaviest sacrifices on behalf of these things, will cry of its own free will: "We shall shatter the sword" - and demolish its entire military machine down to its last foundations. To disarm while being the best armed, out of an elevation of sensibility - that is the means to real peace. Better to perish than to hate and fear, and twofold better to perish than to make oneself hated and feared - this must one day become the supreme maxim of every individual state!" - Friedrich Nietzsche - Human, All Too Human, A Book for Free Spirits, 1878. (If you actually read Nietzsche, you find much that does not square with the common one-dimensional caricature of him.) deleted
The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” —Samuel Adams America: Israel's Handmaiden
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” —Samuel Adams America: Israel's Handmaiden
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” —Samuel Adams America: Israel's Handmaiden
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” —Samuel Adams America: Israel's Handmaiden
Ah. Then you only argue politics, you don't believe in any chance for real change. Not sure why you think local is any better than state/federal. So much of what we call local government is run by federal regulation, matching funds, trickle-throughs, block grants, etc. It is a continuum, not sharply delineated as it once was. In the last dozen years, we've started federal funding of schools and, via tobacco tax, the SCHIP children's health insurance for poor to middle-class families (up to $85K households, paid for by smokers whose income averages less than half of that). It's a little disturbing to think of Ron Paul as some god-king. He is 77, a little frail. And he announced his retirement over six months ago because the Texas GOP redistricted him into new territory. Again. BTW, did Ron Paul actually win a single precinct or county anywhere in the country yet? Upon what do you base your fantasy that he could become president in 2012? Or in 2016 at the age of 82 or so? Especially when no president has ever taken the oath older than 69 (Reagan turned 70 shortly after his inauguration). I'm willing to discuss politics. Fantasies? Not so much.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” —Samuel Adams America: Israel's Handmaiden
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestIronically, I think Ron Paul helped spark it in 08. Early bit of energy that just went off headless and was absorbed and twisted into some phony element of the R party. But the tea party didn't exist before Ron's 08 run.
Some commentators have referred to the Tea in "Tea Party" as the backronym "Taxed Enough Already".
#14. To: Pinguinite (#10)
What's the rush to endorse Romney, if indeed that is what he thinks is the right thing to do (!) before Tampa?
#15. To: TooConservative (#14)
To get it out of the way and let things settle down.
So the RP folk stop fundraising and running events for RP and turn their efforts toward Liberty candidates like Bills in MN and Cruz in TX.
So Ron can get some rest. He's about 77, probably completely exhausted.
#16. To: Pinguinite, All (#10)
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I have liked what Rand has actually done. Prior to this endorsement of Romney, he had exceeded my expectations since taking office. I remember the clip where he gave some DC bureaucrat crap about how his toilet didn't work, blaming it on federal toilet regulations. He also blasted people for not following the Constitution, and he's not controlled by Israel. He's been a very outspoken supporter of Liberty and the Constitution.
US Congress passes authoritarian anti-protest law By Tom Carter
3 March 2012
#17. To: GreyLmist (#16)
#18. To: Pinguinite (#17)
This report implies rather than clearly states Rand voted for the bill. Unanimous consent may have been a voice vote or something, and Rand may not have been there. Or the report itself may be just wrong.
#19. To: Eric Stratton, Pinguinite (#11)
Problem is, he's now playing their game, and inherently he's already screwed himself.
#20. To: Pinguinite (#15)
I don't buy that. Ron Paul could have simply announced as much. Would have been much cleaner.
#21. To: TooConservative (#20)
This isn't the time to throw a purist hissy fit.
#22. To: randge (#21)
Constitutionalists, Sons of Liberty, advocates of limited government, what have you are going to get no closer to the levers of power than you'd let your tattoed, pot smokin' nephew near the throttles of your spanking new 60-foot Sea Ray.
#23. To: TooConservative (#22)
They are not Atlases.
#24. To: randge (#23)
#25. To: TooConservative (#24)
I could never post such pics at LP
#26. To: randge (#25)
Things are very starchy at christine's house. You hobnobbin' with the best.
#27. To: TooConservative (#26)
I recall a few more intemperate moments.
#28. To: randge (#27)
The best policy from my point of view is just not to talk to such folks.
#29. To: TooConservative (#28)
#30. To: TooConservative, All (#26)
#31. To: TooConservative (#26)
#32. To: randge (#29)
#33. To: TooConservative, All (#19)
#34. To: Eric Stratton (#32)
#35. To: randge (#34)
#36. To: randge (#29)
I do go out on a limb sometimes. I think it's the heat. It ain't really rained in my corner of Texas in a while, and I believe that I'm suffering from a minor case of sunstroke. You can safely ignore about half the things I say.
#37. To: Eric Stratton, randge (#33)
Either way, we still have 11 weeks to find out what the "genius" behind the move was.
#38. To: TooConservative (#37)
except for Ron Paul, he doesn't sugarcoat his position on puppies
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#39. To: TooConservative (#37)
#40. To: Eric Stratton, TooConservative (#39)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#41. To: Eric Stratton (#31)
They probably don't post here anymore either.
#42. To: Eric Stratton (#32)
Oh, we do.
#43. To: Eric Stratton (#39)
IMO, anyone that pins any hopes on the politcal process in this kountry is a fool. So the short answer to your question is no, it wouldn't be worth it.
#44. To: wudidiz (#40)
#45. To: TooConservative (#36)
#46. To: TooConservative (#44)
But could Nietzsche put a .30-06 bullet through the ear of that dumb ass standing on the rocks thinking profound thoughts as he stares at the Big Water?
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#47. To: TooConservative (#44)
#48. To: wudidiz (#40)
#49. To: TooConservative (#41)
#50. To: TooConservative (#43)
#51. To: randge (#47)
#52. To: Eric Stratton (#50)
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If Paul is the candidate for the GOP, unlikely I find, then I will take a flyer and vote for him. Otherwise, local only. The rest is a ruse, a charade.
But if not Paul, then who cares. I mean do you really, ... really, see a difference between the Junior years and the Yomama years in terms of liberties lost? I don't. It's been a near perfect linear progression from 9/11.
#53. To: TooConservative (#52)
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