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Title: Why Rand Was Right to Endorse Romney (another point of view)
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Published: Jun 10, 2012
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Post Date: 2012-06-10 11:07:06 by christine
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#20. To: Pinguinite (#15)
I didn't think it needed to be spelled out any plainer than it was. Ron's career is done. He made it clear. Rand and the other Liberty candidates are our future. This isn't the time to throw a purist hissy fit.
No, you're right is isn't. It's simply time to look reality in the face. Big things are afoot, and O'bomber is about to be politely deposed in favor of the Mormon. Big chunks of the Dem Party are falling off the incumbent's bandwagon and are beginning to move against him. Plans for the coronation of the challenger are well underway. Constitutionalists, Sons of Liberty, advocates of limited government, what have you are going to get no closer to the levers of power than you'd let your tattoed, pot smokin' nephew near the throttles of your spanking new 60-foot Sea Ray. Purists are invited to watch the show. I don't agree with this part. We elect Bills in MN and Cruz in TX and add them to Coburn, DeMint, Rand Paul, and Mike Lee and we have enough for our own Gang Of Six From Hell On Steroids. You can't elect just one person and expect them to move the world for you. They are not Atlases.
As long as we're contemplating Hellenistic pathos here, let's hope they don't wind up like Laokoon & his sons. Laocoön warned his fellow Trojans against the wooden horse presented to the city by the Greeks. Dang, you matched my artsy-fartsy post and raised me. Of course, I could never post such pics at LP; the Posse would be gulping Sterno by the bucket and propositioning every male on the forum.
Yeah, it's definitely a highbrow crowd here. You can tender a point or disagree with someone here and not have to endure being labeled a dishonorable asshole or a libturd hypocrite. Things are very starchy at christine's house. You hobnobbin' with the best. I recall a few more intemperate moments. Didn't someone call me, what was that, a "Jewy cunt" here once, along with a few other choice names? They probably don't even remember it now. That I am Gentile and male means my feelings weren't hurt at all. But discussion here is a lot more polite overall than what LP has sunk to and there is no Posse here constantly trolling about like some juvenile bullies. LP used to be considerably better moderated but Goldi hardly moderates it at all now. She appears not to read it or post on it for days at a time if you look at her posting history.
This forum is light on the moderation, so you're going to see that kind of slop for sure. The anonymity we get from posting on forums leads participants to use language that, under ordinary circumstances, would cause me to drop my spec's on the lawn and punch the other guy's lights out. The best policy from my point of view is just not to talk to such folks. That's how you cast your vote for decorum. I'm not a prude, and I can cuss like a pro, but when you let discussion degenerate the way it has over there, you're just talkin' trash & the whole enterprise loses its meaning. Oh, I still talk to him and he to me. I dunno if he remembers, doubt he would care anyway. If I'm in the mood, I can dish out a bit of it myself. Anyway, maybe I being a bit nitpicky over your general characterization of 4um as a polite forum.
I do go out on a limb sometimes. I think it's the heat. It ain't really rained in my corner of Texas in a while, and I believe that I'm suffering from a minor case of sunstroke. You can safely ignore about half the things I say.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” —Samuel Adams America: Israel's Handmaiden
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” —Samuel Adams America: Israel's Handmaiden
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” —Samuel Adams America: Israel's Handmaiden
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” —Samuel Adams America: Israel's Handmaiden
I'll let that pass, but be warned when the SHTF I will track you down Mr. Stratton. ; ]
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” —Samuel Adams America: Israel's Handmaiden
A friend of mine has a ranch in the central hill country there. He called me an hour ago and said that, even though they've had a bit of rain this year, the last two years were so bad it killed a lot of cedar trees. Man, that's dry. And his game ranch in south Texas is just a disaster. That 10+ year drought is back.
What if the Pauls extracted promises of major financial and party support for Cruz in Texas and for Bills in MN? Would that be worth it? I'm just posing an example. That wouldn't involve a convention speech or the party platform. Just two superb Ron Paul Republicans. Romney and the RNC wouldn't even have to do it themselves. They could arrange for someone else to supply the funds. I'm just saying that something like that would be worth the trade. In any event, Rand's endorsement is necessary. And I'm more than a little tired of all the wannabe's whining about something so meaningless. IMO, every last Ron Paul supporter in the country should pledge to support Romney. Then just vote however they feel like. It would be the best way to maximize our impact within the party and prepare for the 2014/2016 cycle.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” —Samuel Adams America: Israel's Handmaiden
Sure he does. You know him well. Look, I'm not saying anyone should punish him or anything. Everyone has a remark like that now and then. It's when that's all you ever say that you're into Gay Canary territory. It isn't christine's job to make us all play nice. No one is paying her $350,000 a year like RimJob gets. Well, supposedly.
Soon, I'll have you all in bifocals. : )
Then you agree with Rockwell and the others and shouldn't ever bother to vote. For that matter, to be consistent, you shouldn't care whether Rand endorsed or didn't endorse. You're saying it makes no difference. In which case, you believe democracy has utterly failed and we've succumbed irreparably to an oligarchic empire, much as the Romans did. Again, you can't hold such views and still vote as any meaningful exercise of power.
But could Nietzsche put a .30-06 bullet through the ear of that dumb ass standing on the rocks thinking profound thoughts as he stares at the Big Water? Then what good is Nietzsche anyway?
Sufferin' catfish. We can't catch a break. I am praying for tropical weather... How do you know what he's thinking? "No government nowadays admits that it maintains an army so as to satisfy it's occasional thirst for conquest. The army is supposed to be for defense, that morality which sanctions self protection is called upon to be it's advocate. This is how all states now confront one another. They presuppose an evil disposition in their neighbor and a benevolent disposition in themselves. This presupposition, however, is a piece of inhumanity as bad as, if not worse than, a war would be. The doctrine of the army as a means of self-defense must be renounced just as completely as the thirst for conquest. And perhaps there will come a great day on which a nation distinguished for wars and victories and for the highest development of military discipline and thinking, and accustomed to making the heaviest sacrifices on behalf of these things, will cry of its own free will: "We shall shatter the sword" - and demolish its entire military machine down to its last foundations. To disarm while being the best armed, out of an elevation of sensibility - that is the means to real peace. Better to perish than to hate and fear, and twofold better to perish than to make oneself hated and feared - this must one day become the supreme maxim of every individual state!" - Friedrich Nietzsche - Human, All Too Human, A Book for Free Spirits, 1878. (If you actually read Nietzsche, you find much that does not square with the common one-dimensional caricature of him.) deleted
The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” —Samuel Adams America: Israel's Handmaiden
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” —Samuel Adams America: Israel's Handmaiden
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” —Samuel Adams America: Israel's Handmaiden
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” —Samuel Adams America: Israel's Handmaiden
Ah. Then you only argue politics, you don't believe in any chance for real change. Not sure why you think local is any better than state/federal. So much of what we call local government is run by federal regulation, matching funds, trickle-throughs, block grants, etc. It is a continuum, not sharply delineated as it once was. In the last dozen years, we've started federal funding of schools and, via tobacco tax, the SCHIP children's health insurance for poor to middle-class families (up to $85K households, paid for by smokers whose income averages less than half of that). It's a little disturbing to think of Ron Paul as some god-king. He is 77, a little frail. And he announced his retirement over six months ago because the Texas GOP redistricted him into new territory. Again. BTW, did Ron Paul actually win a single precinct or county anywhere in the country yet? Upon what do you base your fantasy that he could become president in 2012? Or in 2016 at the age of 82 or so? Especially when no president has ever taken the oath older than 69 (Reagan turned 70 shortly after his inauguration). I'm willing to discuss politics. Fantasies? Not so much.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” —Samuel Adams America: Israel's Handmaiden
As with Perot, as with Buchanan, there has been this tendency to somehow believe that magical things will happen in the Beltway if only we finally elect one Beloved Leader who will usher in the Millennium. You see the same tendency in 2008 with Obongo as the Dark Messiah. And I do think there is as large an undercurrent of that naivete in the Paul movement as there was in its predecessors.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” —Samuel Adams America: Israel's Handmaiden
humorous ;)
Yes, there are.
Well, that's easy for you to say. The Posse seems to have no interest at all in the ladies and only obsess over man-bits and sodomy talk. So you're safe enough and can afford to giggle. They talk and behave like gang rapists in a gay bar. Every day, all the time.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” —Samuel Adams America: Israel's Handmaiden
rand wasnt right to endorse romney any more than pat buchanan was when he endorsed george bush in 2004. Anyone who ever endorses these establishment POS loses ALL credibility. An "ENDORSEMENT" means something.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestI don't buy that. Ron Paul could have simply announced as much. Would have been much cleaner.
#21. To: TooConservative (#20)
This isn't the time to throw a purist hissy fit.
#22. To: randge (#21)
Constitutionalists, Sons of Liberty, advocates of limited government, what have you are going to get no closer to the levers of power than you'd let your tattoed, pot smokin' nephew near the throttles of your spanking new 60-foot Sea Ray.
#23. To: TooConservative (#22)
They are not Atlases.
#24. To: randge (#23)
#25. To: TooConservative (#24)
I could never post such pics at LP
#26. To: randge (#25)
Things are very starchy at christine's house. You hobnobbin' with the best.
#27. To: TooConservative (#26)
I recall a few more intemperate moments.
#28. To: randge (#27)
The best policy from my point of view is just not to talk to such folks.
#29. To: TooConservative (#28)
#30. To: TooConservative, All (#26)
#31. To: TooConservative (#26)
#32. To: randge (#29)
#33. To: TooConservative, All (#19)
#34. To: Eric Stratton (#32)
#35. To: randge (#34)
#36. To: randge (#29)
I do go out on a limb sometimes. I think it's the heat. It ain't really rained in my corner of Texas in a while, and I believe that I'm suffering from a minor case of sunstroke. You can safely ignore about half the things I say.
#37. To: Eric Stratton, randge (#33)
Either way, we still have 11 weeks to find out what the "genius" behind the move was.
#38. To: TooConservative (#37)
except for Ron Paul, he doesn't sugarcoat his position on puppies
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#39. To: TooConservative (#37)
#40. To: Eric Stratton, TooConservative (#39)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#41. To: Eric Stratton (#31)
They probably don't post here anymore either.
#42. To: Eric Stratton (#32)
Oh, we do.
#43. To: Eric Stratton (#39)
IMO, anyone that pins any hopes on the politcal process in this kountry is a fool. So the short answer to your question is no, it wouldn't be worth it.
#44. To: wudidiz (#40)
#45. To: TooConservative (#36)
#46. To: TooConservative (#44)
But could Nietzsche put a .30-06 bullet through the ear of that dumb ass standing on the rocks thinking profound thoughts as he stares at the Big Water?
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#47. To: TooConservative (#44)
#48. To: wudidiz (#40)
#49. To: TooConservative (#41)
#50. To: TooConservative (#43)
#51. To: randge (#47)
#52. To: Eric Stratton (#50)
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If Paul is the candidate for the GOP, unlikely I find, then I will take a flyer and vote for him. Otherwise, local only. The rest is a ruse, a charade.
But if not Paul, then who cares. I mean do you really, ... really, see a difference between the Junior years and the Yomama years in terms of liberties lost? I don't. It's been a near perfect linear progression from 9/11.
#53. To: TooConservative (#52)
#54. To: Eric Stratton (#53)
As to Paul, did I ever say I thought he was a "god king?"
#55. To: TooConservative (#54)
#56. To: TooConservative (#24)
(Edited)
Of course, I could never post such pics at LP; the Posse would be gulping Sterno by the bucket and propositioning every male on the forum.
#57. To: Eric Stratton (#55)
I don't think that there's a regular poster here that even remotely thinks that.
#58. To: christine (#56)
humorous ;)
#59. To: TooConservative (#57)
#60. To: christine, all, eric stratton (#0)
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