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Title: Why Rand Was Right to Endorse Romney (another point of view)
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URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERI52UndhE4&feature=youtu.be
Published: Jun 10, 2012
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Post Date: 2012-06-10 11:07:06 by christine
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#1. To: christine (#0)
Very astute analysis.....even if I'm not as confident in Rand as our narrator.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
To sum up his analysis, Rand was right to endorse Romney because in order for Rand to get what he wants, he has to play politics. We just have to hope that what he wants is what we want too. Problem is, that's like using the One Ring to Rule Them All to try to do good. If he uses it once, will he use it again and again and again? If this is a good reason to endorse Romney, will there be more "good reasons" to do similar things down the road? Will it ever stop? If it doesn't then Rand will end up just like them. Ron was known as "Dr. No" for the precise reason that he never sold his vote on one bill to gain someone else's on another. He never used The Ring. I do agree with the pragmatic observation. Ron has repeatedly demonstrated a pragmatic approach to his actions, and I think that's why he's held his Congressional seat for so long and I don't take issue with that, and maybe this is part of what we're seeing. Maybe Rand knows what he's doing. Maybe we'll see. I didn't know that Ron essentially conceded the R race prior to the endorsement which is/was perhaps my biggest beef. So maybe that's explained, at least.
He offers a shrewd strategic political argument. Of course, I already totally agreed with him as my posts here indicate. He is the very well-known SouthernAvenger. And that has kept his 6500 views of this video at 547 Likes and 344 Dislikes. Anyone else would have had a lot more dislikes. But, unless the Horde just wants to quit and go home and stay home, they'd better listen and think hard about where we go when Ron retires in January. Hopefully, we'll be watching Kurt Bills and Ted Cruz take the oath as new senators. And Liljenthal of UT.
The day before Rand's endorsement, Ron broke the news via email that we could not expect more than 500 delegates at the convention. He didn't mention it but that was best-case, assuming that the Newt/Santorum delegates would actually stick with us which was a dubious proposition.
He didn't concede the election by giving an expected delegate count. What should he have done? Said nothing about it or nothing about it being short of the nomination quota? There are State conventions still pending, as well as the Tampa national convention. Rand could just as easily have thrown his support to his father's opponent after Tampa. So, what was the rush to do that now? There is no painting a smiley face on what Rand did. Highlighted question at the article, Representative Government is a Farce. Can you answer it? Why on Earth would they adhere to the provisions enumerated within the Republican or Democratic Party platforms? At what point did Party platforms become a more official doctrine to politicians than the Constitution? Edited 5th sentence. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
In for a penny, in for a pound, and there is no telling where this sort of compromise may end unless it results in some degree of pull with respect to the more egregious aspects of militant globalism and the more unwelcome sorts of domestic compromise we'd expect should Romney get the White House. And should the Current Occupant retain the office, Rand will have to some extent disarmed the Pubbie competition on the part of that whole ugly gang that we, thankfully won't be hearing too much from in the next little while. So far so good. But this whole analysis relies on a parcel of ceteris paribus assumptions that we can continue to steam along the way we have been and that we don't hit any major rocks or shoals. We are all aware that potential catastrophes of one sort or another loom on the horizon. The world financial system is about to bust a seam, and is only being held together with baling wire, and as we speak, it seems that the Wise Guys are prepositioning all our heavy hardware for a major conflict. There is also the prospect of a large false flag coming out of left field. But yeah, if circumstances remain the same, the analysis in the video is very good, and we can sit back in our armchairs confident that Rand has bitten the bullet and made the necessary hard but pragmatic compromise. If recent history teaches us anything though, it is that life is full of unpleasant surprises. "the Horde". You're not a real supporter of Ron Paul's movement, are you? -- no more than his son, Rand. You're both mastodans who seem to view it as something to be compromised, culled, and then co-opted by Neocon RINOs -- much like the so-called "Tea Party" was. Ron Paul isn't the mascot of the "Tea Party". Just ask them. He's the Champion of the Constitution. Like a commenter at the video said: "Ron Paul wasn't looking to his family to carry the torch [My note: as Rand hasn't], he was looking towards us." Edited for spelling. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Rand's voting record clearly shows he is no neocon. It isn't my fault if you are determined to be paranoid. By all means, please go support someone else.
Ironically, I think Ron Paul helped spark it in 08. Early bit of energy that just went off headless and was absorbed and twisted into some phony element of the R party. But the tea party didn't exist before Ron's 08 run.
I have liked what Rand has actually done. Prior to this endorsement of Romney, he had exceeded my expectations since taking office. I remember the clip where he gave some DC bureaucrat crap about how his toilet didn't work, blaming it on federal toilet regulations. He also blasted people for not following the Constitution, and he's not controlled by Israel. He's been a very outspoken supporter of Liberty and the Constitution. But GreyLmist is right. What's the rush to endorse Romney, if indeed that is what he thinks is the right thing to do (!) before Tampa? The only explanation I can fathom is that he is indeed doing it for some political reason that we don't know about. Hopefully it's a good reason, but it's extremely hard to think there could be one. Which pretty much makes it a bad political move since it's alienated a lot of Rand's support base. You just can't going around doing that!!
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” —Samuel Adams America: Israel's Handmaiden
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” —Samuel Adams America: Israel's Handmaiden
Yes, ironically, he did spark it -- then it got co-opted into a Mad-Hatter pack of War Partiers and Big Spenders by the Astroturfing Neocon-RINOs: From Wikipedia: Tea Party movement The elder Paul is described by some as the "intellectual godfather" of the movement. The theme of the Boston Tea Party, an iconic event in American history, has long been used by anti-tax protesters. It was part of Tax Day protests held throughout the 1990s and earlier. the anniversary of the original Boston Tea Party was commemorated on December 16, 2007, by Republican Congressman Ron Paul supporters who held a "Boston tea- party event" in 2007 which was a fundraiser for the Ron Paul 2008 Presidential Campaign which advocated an end to fiat money and the Federal Reserve System, disengaging from foreign entanglements in Iraq and Afghanistan, and upholding States' rights. Fox News commentator Juan Williams says that the TPM emerged from the ashes of Paul's 2008 presidential primary campaign. I've read that "Tea Partier" Sarah Palin is called "Momma Grizzly" so maybe she's their mascot. Buncha Constitution disloyalists and ingrates. Edited for spelling. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
To get it out of the way and let things settle down. So the RP folk stop fundraising and running events for RP and turn their efforts toward Liberty candidates like Bills in MN and Cruz in TX. So Ron can get some rest. He's about 77, probably completely exhausted. Tons of reasons. If you want the single best political reason, it is because you get the most for your chips by cashing them in and leaving the game in an orderly way. You've built your stake for the next round.
Among Paul supporters, it's had the opposite effect. I don't buy that. Ron Paul could have simply announced as much. Would have been much cleaner. He has well earned his retirement, but he shouldn't do that until after he crosses the Tampa finish line. If you want to say he's done it for political reasons just as the vid above explains, then I'll just stand by my prior comments.
I supported him, too, but there have been Neocon-RINO traits exhibited by him before this. A March RINO example for expansion of government tyranny: Congress passes anti-protest law (Senate unanimous; all but 3 in House vote “aye”). A bill passed Monday in the US House of Representatives and Thursday in the Senate would make it a felony—a serious criminal offense punishable by lengthy terms of incarceration—to participate in many forms of protest associated with the Occupy Wall Street protests of last year. Several commentators have dubbed it the “anti-Occupy” law, but its implications are far broader. The bill—H.R. 347, or the “Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act of 2011”—was passed by unanimous consent in the Senate, while only Ron Paul and two other Republicans voted against the bill in the House of Representatives (the bill passed 388-3). Not a single Democratic politician voted against the bill. The big hallmark of Neocons is their Warmongering Interventionist Foreign Policy and Rand Paul has displayed several examples of that: Afghanistan funding; keep Gitmo open; Iran threat-rhetoric and sanctions; keep the threat of nuclear weapons usage by us on the table, which his father calls genocidal. Rand Paul won his Kentucky seat for the Senate by running against a Neocon candidate's agenda. Maybe now he thinks he doesn't need to win Kentucky's votes again, in a Senate race or a Presidential race. Edited second sentence for month-date. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
This report implies rather than clearly states Rand voted for the bill. Unanimous consent may have been a voice vote or something, and Rand may not have been there. Or the report itself may be just wrong. If he's voted for such things, I'd prefer to see it clearly recorded on official record before I'd disown him. Misinformation is nothing new.
If he's voted for such things, I'd prefer to see it clearly recorded on official record before I'd disown him. Misinformation is nothing new. It's often more difficult for me to locate an official log of Senate votes on legislation than roll calls of House votes but that's not the only report of it as passing by unanimous consent of the Senate. I think unanimous consent means without objection by anyone present (a Ref.) -- no objection, no vote taken so as to pass something quickly; usually (or supposedly so) for non-controversial matters -- which that definitely wasn't non-controversial. If Rand Paul wasn't there to object, why not? I may have missed a statement from him on that and the Senate's passage but don't recall one. His father managed to vote against it in the House, busy though he's been as a campaigning candidate for President. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
He sure didn't look like he was playing their game to me when he was spiking the Patriot Act alone and forcing them into robopen madness. But this puny meaningless endorsement now means everything to you? I can tell none of you have ever been in a political office or elected board and had to hold the line against the majority and its statist media parrots. Let me just say that it is not as easy as you seem to think.
I didn't think it needed to be spelled out any plainer than it was. Ron's career is done. He made it clear. Rand and the other Liberty candidates are our future. This isn't the time to throw a purist hissy fit.
No, you're right is isn't. It's simply time to look reality in the face. Big things are afoot, and O'bomber is about to be politely deposed in favor of the Mormon. Big chunks of the Dem Party are falling off the incumbent's bandwagon and are beginning to move against him. Plans for the coronation of the challenger are well underway. Constitutionalists, Sons of Liberty, advocates of limited government, what have you are going to get no closer to the levers of power than you'd let your tattoed, pot smokin' nephew near the throttles of your spanking new 60-foot Sea Ray. Purists are invited to watch the show. I don't agree with this part. We elect Bills in MN and Cruz in TX and add them to Coburn, DeMint, Rand Paul, and Mike Lee and we have enough for our own Gang Of Six From Hell On Steroids. You can't elect just one person and expect them to move the world for you. They are not Atlases.
As long as we're contemplating Hellenistic pathos here, let's hope they don't wind up like Laokoon & his sons. Laocoön warned his fellow Trojans against the wooden horse presented to the city by the Greeks. Dang, you matched my artsy-fartsy post and raised me. Of course, I could never post such pics at LP; the Posse would be gulping Sterno by the bucket and propositioning every male on the forum.
Yeah, it's definitely a highbrow crowd here. You can tender a point or disagree with someone here and not have to endure being labeled a dishonorable asshole or a libturd hypocrite. Things are very starchy at christine's house. You hobnobbin' with the best. I recall a few more intemperate moments. Didn't someone call me, what was that, a "Jewy cunt" here once, along with a few other choice names? They probably don't even remember it now. That I am Gentile and male means my feelings weren't hurt at all. But discussion here is a lot more polite overall than what LP has sunk to and there is no Posse here constantly trolling about like some juvenile bullies. LP used to be considerably better moderated but Goldi hardly moderates it at all now. She appears not to read it or post on it for days at a time if you look at her posting history.
This forum is light on the moderation, so you're going to see that kind of slop for sure. The anonymity we get from posting on forums leads participants to use language that, under ordinary circumstances, would cause me to drop my spec's on the lawn and punch the other guy's lights out. The best policy from my point of view is just not to talk to such folks. That's how you cast your vote for decorum. I'm not a prude, and I can cuss like a pro, but when you let discussion degenerate the way it has over there, you're just talkin' trash & the whole enterprise loses its meaning. Oh, I still talk to him and he to me. I dunno if he remembers, doubt he would care anyway. If I'm in the mood, I can dish out a bit of it myself. Anyway, maybe I being a bit nitpicky over your general characterization of 4um as a polite forum.
I do go out on a limb sometimes. I think it's the heat. It ain't really rained in my corner of Texas in a while, and I believe that I'm suffering from a minor case of sunstroke. You can safely ignore about half the things I say.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” —Samuel Adams America: Israel's Handmaiden
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” —Samuel Adams America: Israel's Handmaiden
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” —Samuel Adams America: Israel's Handmaiden
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” —Samuel Adams America: Israel's Handmaiden
I'll let that pass, but be warned when the SHTF I will track you down Mr. Stratton. ; ]
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” —Samuel Adams America: Israel's Handmaiden
A friend of mine has a ranch in the central hill country there. He called me an hour ago and said that, even though they've had a bit of rain this year, the last two years were so bad it killed a lot of cedar trees. Man, that's dry. And his game ranch in south Texas is just a disaster. That 10+ year drought is back.
What if the Pauls extracted promises of major financial and party support for Cruz in Texas and for Bills in MN? Would that be worth it? I'm just posing an example. That wouldn't involve a convention speech or the party platform. Just two superb Ron Paul Republicans. Romney and the RNC wouldn't even have to do it themselves. They could arrange for someone else to supply the funds. I'm just saying that something like that would be worth the trade. In any event, Rand's endorsement is necessary. And I'm more than a little tired of all the wannabe's whining about something so meaningless. IMO, every last Ron Paul supporter in the country should pledge to support Romney. Then just vote however they feel like. It would be the best way to maximize our impact within the party and prepare for the 2014/2016 cycle.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” —Samuel Adams America: Israel's Handmaiden
Sure he does. You know him well. Look, I'm not saying anyone should punish him or anything. Everyone has a remark like that now and then. It's when that's all you ever say that you're into Gay Canary territory. It isn't christine's job to make us all play nice. No one is paying her $350,000 a year like RimJob gets. Well, supposedly.
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#2. To: christine (#0)
#3. To: abraxas, christine (#1)
#4. To: Pinguinite (#2)
I didn't know that Ron essentially conceded the R race prior to the endorsement which is/was perhaps my biggest beef. So maybe that's explained, at least.
#5. To: TooConservative (#4)
(Edited)
The day before Rand's endorsement, Ron broke the news via email that we could not expect more than 500 delegates at the convention.
Let us not forget that the GOP and the Democratic Party are comprised of people that have long ago disregarded provisions found within the United States Constitution, which is supposed to be the Supreme law of the land.
#6. To: Pinguinite (#2)
Problem is, that's like using the One Ring to Rule Them All to try to do good.
#7. To: TooConservative (#3)
(Edited)
unless the Horde just wants to quit and go home and stay home
#8. To: GreyLmist (#7)
#9. To: GreyLmist (#7)
Ron Paul isn't the mascot of the "Tea Party". Just ask them. He's the Champion of the Constitution.
#10. To: TooConservative, GreyLmist (#8)
Rand's voting record clearly shows he is no neocon.
#11. To: Pinguinite (#2)
#12. To: Pinguinite, All (#10)
#13. To: Pinguinite (#9)
(Edited)
Ironically, I think Ron Paul helped spark it in 08. Early bit of energy that just went off headless and was absorbed and twisted into some phony element of the R party. But the tea party didn't exist before Ron's 08 run.
Some commentators have referred to the Tea in "Tea Party" as the backronym "Taxed Enough Already".
#14. To: Pinguinite (#10)
What's the rush to endorse Romney, if indeed that is what he thinks is the right thing to do (!) before Tampa?
#15. To: TooConservative (#14)
To get it out of the way and let things settle down.
So the RP folk stop fundraising and running events for RP and turn their efforts toward Liberty candidates like Bills in MN and Cruz in TX.
So Ron can get some rest. He's about 77, probably completely exhausted.
#16. To: Pinguinite, All (#10)
(Edited)
I have liked what Rand has actually done. Prior to this endorsement of Romney, he had exceeded my expectations since taking office. I remember the clip where he gave some DC bureaucrat crap about how his toilet didn't work, blaming it on federal toilet regulations. He also blasted people for not following the Constitution, and he's not controlled by Israel. He's been a very outspoken supporter of Liberty and the Constitution.
US Congress passes authoritarian anti-protest law By Tom Carter
3 March 2012
#17. To: GreyLmist (#16)
#18. To: Pinguinite (#17)
This report implies rather than clearly states Rand voted for the bill. Unanimous consent may have been a voice vote or something, and Rand may not have been there. Or the report itself may be just wrong.
#19. To: Eric Stratton, Pinguinite (#11)
Problem is, he's now playing their game, and inherently he's already screwed himself.
#20. To: Pinguinite (#15)
I don't buy that. Ron Paul could have simply announced as much. Would have been much cleaner.
#21. To: TooConservative (#20)
This isn't the time to throw a purist hissy fit.
#22. To: randge (#21)
Constitutionalists, Sons of Liberty, advocates of limited government, what have you are going to get no closer to the levers of power than you'd let your tattoed, pot smokin' nephew near the throttles of your spanking new 60-foot Sea Ray.
#23. To: TooConservative (#22)
They are not Atlases.
#24. To: randge (#23)
#25. To: TooConservative (#24)
I could never post such pics at LP
#26. To: randge (#25)
Things are very starchy at christine's house. You hobnobbin' with the best.
#27. To: TooConservative (#26)
I recall a few more intemperate moments.
#28. To: randge (#27)
The best policy from my point of view is just not to talk to such folks.
#29. To: TooConservative (#28)
#30. To: TooConservative, All (#26)
#31. To: TooConservative (#26)
#32. To: randge (#29)
#33. To: TooConservative, All (#19)
#34. To: Eric Stratton (#32)
#35. To: randge (#34)
#36. To: randge (#29)
I do go out on a limb sometimes. I think it's the heat. It ain't really rained in my corner of Texas in a while, and I believe that I'm suffering from a minor case of sunstroke. You can safely ignore about half the things I say.
#37. To: Eric Stratton, randge (#33)
Either way, we still have 11 weeks to find out what the "genius" behind the move was.
#38. To: TooConservative (#37)
except for Ron Paul, he doesn't sugarcoat his position on puppies
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#39. To: TooConservative (#37)
#40. To: Eric Stratton, TooConservative (#39)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#41. To: Eric Stratton (#31)
They probably don't post here anymore either.
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