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Title: The Rand Paul Fiasco with Webster Tarpley
Source: PrisonPlanetTV
URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4MahRKtM5s&feature=player_embedded
Published: Jun 12, 2012
Author: PrisonPlanetTV
Post Date: 2012-06-12 17:43:49 by randge
Keywords: Webster, Tarpley, Paul debacle
Views: 416
Comments: 29

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The Paulists have failed us. That party is over. They are shoveling up the confetti as we speak. Now is the time to open up our eyes to new dimensions and perspectives and follow fresh ideas wherever they may lead.

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#1. To: randge (#0)

Libertarianism is just another utopian metaphysics. So of course it's used.

Our white sons are sent to war against non-whites who have done us no harm, and this is not called crime;
at home, non-white criminals prey upon our wives and daughters and this is not called war.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-06-12   18:27:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: randge, worth the time to listen (#0)

Thanks for this interview.

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2012-06-12   18:58:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: randge (#0) (Edited)

follow fresh ideas wherever they may lead.

Well we could write to our representives .. let them know that the constitution for all intents and real practical purposes is dead and void. That we understand this. Further , we understand that they feel entitled and above the law they lay out for us their 'constituents'. This is not an accusation nor a personal opinion but a truth defined by their repeated actions. Even if they themselves do not understand it is immaterial. WE UNDERSTAND IT.

What they need to be made to understand is that their shall be some consequences one way or the other. Either we the people will fix our nation internally or the other free nations will put an end to the tyrant nation that invades smaller weaker nations on a regular basis killing and stealing all that it pleases. I'd prefer we fix our own problem. Wouldn't you?

Their will be consequences for Fat rich pyschotic old men that live lavish lives very far removed from the realities the majority of people live in. Consequences for Barny Farnks and rand pauls. consequences for you and I...

We need to do more than just throw shoes....

I say we force feed them lethal ammounts of bath salts and give em steak knives in closed room.


I support the occupation
Fuck it if it kills me. Liberty before death.

titorite  posted on  2012-06-12   19:41:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: randge (#0) (Edited)

Seize the FED first - I agree with Tarpley 100 % on that issue.

I'd add that a gold standard will not profit the general public to any degree. The currency is better respected when it's backed by something but production is also conducive to a strong currency. I would suggest a tri-metal backed currency wherein the general public could collectively balance their wealth against the big guys to some extent.

One thing that goes unrecognized is that the medium of exchange controls or dictates the relevant law. Commercial paper means commercial and not common law. Private money means private law and the last thing we need is a privately owned central bank that loans us our own credit at interest. The fact that this ever occurred is ludicrous. No, it's criminal. It was a silent coup.

"The few who understand the [FEDERAL RESERVE] system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests."

The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.

noone222  posted on  2012-06-12   20:47:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: randge, 4um (#0)

open up our eyes to new dimensions and perspectives and follow fresh ideas wherever they may lead

Tarpley offers no fresh ideas.

Let me ask you this: If the other dupes who represent the people were voting for no tax increases like Ron Paul consistently voted during his tenure, would we have the tyranny, the wars, and the massive debt that we have now?

No, we would not.

Tarpley is grossly exaggerating the "Brutal Savage Austerity" aspect of cutting this warmongering, empire striving, freedom robbing government down to size. He never even bothers to discuss the massive debt that is to be passed onto future generations after he is long gone and enjoyed his Social Security and Medicare benefits.

Tarpley ignores that the more taxes that are paid the more irresponsibly the money is spent. The more we the people subsidize what we deplore with every dime that is extorted from us. We get more waste and an ever larger central government that marches toward tyranny.

Tarpley advises turning away from Reps and Dems while back biting Libertarians, and the Libertarian Party is the ONLY party alternative that is on the ballot in all fifty states. The candidate on that ticket has PROVEN that he can balance a budget and get a fiscal house in order without the death of even one citizen in his state. Johnson also placed term limits on himself as promised.

Tarpley's endless Ron Paul ranting without ever mentioning his principled stance for liberty or freedom and against excessive taxation speak volumes to me. And Tarpley never gets to the heart of the matter. It is the excessive taxation and the endless money pit given to the central government that has given this nation what Tarpley claims to despise: the two party fraud.

I'd like to give more liberty and less taxation a try, not continue to buy into the farce that the government will save us all. Tarpley loves to talk about the New Deal and the good it did while ignoring that every person in this nation under 45 who has been forced to pay into the Social Security system will never see a dime of it! Let's be honest, there will likely be no Medicare or Medicaid either. All that will be left is the mountain of debt that Tarpley likes to ignore.

That's my two cents. Tarpley isn't a leader that I would follow, although I often enjoy his analysis on various topics.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-06-12   20:53:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: abraxas (#5)

You go Girl!

You the Woman!

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-06-12   21:03:53 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: noone222 (#4)

The currency is better respected when it's backed by something but production is also conducive to a strong currency.

Exactly my argument. Gold is merely a commodity that has value because people agree it has value. Money is an idea backed by confidence. Confidence that it can be freely exchanged and readily accepted for goods and services. However, the underlying value of a currency is the real production of goods and services balanced against the amount of currency in circulation. The only real wealth a nation has is the willingness of its people to work. When you strip it of that, by whatever means, you render its currency valueless.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-06-12   21:08:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: abraxas (#5)

Tarpley loves to talk about the New Deal and the good it did while ignoring that every person in this nation under 45 who has been forced to pay into the Social Security system will never see a dime of it! Let's be honest, there will likely be no Medicare or Medicaid either. All that will be left is the mountain of debt that Tarpley likes to ignore.

you nailed him, girl.

christine  posted on  2012-06-12   21:16:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: abraxas (#5)

I think corruption ruins all governments regardless of their fundamentals.

Tarpley sounds a lot like the LaRouche people and they are definitely big FDR fans.

The Gold standard alone would leave the poor and most of the middle-class where they are currently situated without much opportunity for increasing their individual wealth.

I supported Ron Paul in 2008 even though I didn't support the system itself. The way he dropped out in 2008 was enough for me to determine that he wasn't the fighter or firebrand necessary to unite enough people also willing to fight hard enough to overcome the tyranny of the current political machinery.

I won't go so far as to call RP a shill but I will say that he owed it to his supporters to maintain his campaign through Tampa. I would also suggest that some kind of deal was cut to benefit Rand Paul's future before he capitulated on Hannity's Neo-Con TV program.

Personally, I think it's going to take a civil war or riots in the street to achieve some respect from the political perps. At this time both parties are raping their own constituents.

I hope Adam Kokesh (sp) stirs up a riot in Tampa. I mean a very physical confrontation with the GOP hacks that have had their day in the sun and need to go bye-bye.

"The few who understand the [FEDERAL RESERVE] system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests."

The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.

noone222  posted on  2012-06-12   21:21:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Original_Intent (#7)

The only real wealth a nation has is the willingness of its people to work. When you strip it of that, by whatever means, you render its currency valueless.

We mustn't forget commodities are wealth that comes out of the ground without reliance upon the working stiff.

Otherwise, production of goods in demand by the people of the world is what gives value to the currency required to purchase that which was produced. When America produced quality products of every type the dollar was the most desired currency, so much so, that the current counterfeit put out by the FEDERAL RESERVE is still the world reserve currency when it should have failed a very long time ago.

"The few who understand the [FEDERAL RESERVE] system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests."

The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.

noone222  posted on  2012-06-12   21:30:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: noone222 (#9)

things would have been a whole lot more interesting had the Pauls waited til Tampa. that's for sure.

christine  posted on  2012-06-12   21:31:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: christine (#11)

things would have been a whole lot more interesting had the Pauls waited til Tampa. that's for sure.

Ya know, I think all Republicans should be outraged at the way Ron Paul was mistreated. (Although Ron Paul didn't seem to say or do much about it). Even if I were a Romney supporter and I witnessed the dirty pool being employed against Dr. Paul I'd have to start wondering WTF is going on here and do I want to be a part of it.

"The few who understand the [FEDERAL RESERVE] system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests."

The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.

noone222  posted on  2012-06-12   21:38:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: christine (#11)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

America: Israel's Handmaiden

Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-06-12   21:58:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: noone222, christine (#12)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

America: Israel's Handmaiden

Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-06-12   22:00:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: abraxas (#5)

Tarpley ignores that the more taxes that are paid the more irresponsibly the money is spent.

Unfortunately, there is no correlation between taxes collected and congress' crazed spending with unlimited fiat currency.

All your other observations are spot-on!

Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson

Lod  posted on  2012-06-12   22:07:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: noone222 (#9)

I supported Ron Paul in 2008 even though I didn't support the system itself. The way he dropped out in 2008 was enough for me to determine that he wasn't the fighter or firebrand necessary to unite enough people also willing to fight hard enough to overcome the tyranny of the current political machinery.

I won't go so far as to call RP a shill but I will say that he owed it to his supporters to maintain his campaign through Tampa. I would also suggest that some kind of deal was cut to benefit Rand Paul's future before he capitulated on Hannity's Neo-Con TV program.

Personally, I think it's going to take a civil war or riots in the street to achieve some respect from the political perps. At this time both parties are raping their own constituents.

I still don't support the system and I'm not certain he wouldn't have done better with a third party rather than trying to reform the GOP, which is too corrupt to salvage, IMHO.

How could he have "dropped out" in a better way? Is there a good way? He didn't have the money to keep running and there does come a time when you have to cut your losses. I know many people were butt hurt that he still had some campaign funds that he didn't blow on advertising that wasn't going to bring him any closer to the goal, but I thought Campaign for Liberty was a good use for those funds.

Ron Paul is just one little old man, I thought he put up a hell of a fight for his age and opposition amid crushing ridicule. Do you recall how all those blowhards were laughing at him during the debates? He didn't back down. He stood his ground. As for uniting, he did unite a good many people and get them to do some critical thinking. For this, I am grateful.

Yeah, I have some questions about campaign suspension prior to Tampa as well. Rand's choice for endorsement as well as his venue left much to be desired. Again, I'm left with questions but I have yet to find those answers.

Actually, I think they are creating the atmosphere for civil war an riots as we speak. Setting up all the legislative ground work to haul all the people who disagree into custody, heck even kill them if the POTUS desires, snoop on every living soul in this nation, all while robbing us blind. And yet, the people remain divided as ever because they still don't see the forest for the trees. Sitting ducks so to speak. Always waiting for that fighter, that uniter to save the day.....when we are the savior we are looking for and nobody else is going to do it for us.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-06-12   22:35:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Lod (#15)

Unfortunately, there is no correlation between taxes collected and congress' crazed spending with unlimited fiat currency.

Okay, then why the continual raising of taxes? Keeping up appearances? Endearing themselves to the serfs?

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-06-12   22:37:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: christine (#8)

Let's be honest, there will likely be no Medicare or Medicaid either. All that will be left is the mountain of debt that Tarpley likes to ignore.

you nailed him, girl.

A wiseacre would ask the question, WILL YOU TAKE THE SS, MEDICARE etc etc when the time arrives.

I have many friends that whined over every penny that went into SS, that was stolen by the government, but when they turned 65, guess what, they lined right up with their hand out. Many of them, like me, would be destitute and homeless were it not for medicare, of course we could have died years ago.

Be rugged, stand on ones own feet, take no "hand outs" on and on, heard and seen it all but when trouble arises, there they are in line.

Germany started SS over a hundred years ago, still going strong, of course the money was not stolen by politicians to fight wars.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-06-12   23:11:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: christine, noone222, Artisan, abraxas, farmfriend, CadetD, all (#11)

things would have been a whole lot more interesting had the Pauls waited til Tampa. that's for sure.

That in and of itself is an interesting data point.

That is, why now?

If this was, as I suspect, coerced and stage managed then the reason suggested for the timing is that the PTB did NOT want to let this come up in Tampa. It would interfere with anointment.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-06-12   23:44:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Cynicom (#18)

WILL YOU TAKE THE SS, MEDICARE etc e

The point is that there will be nothing left to take for people 45 and under in this nation.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-06-12   23:50:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: randge, christine (#0)

Is this tarpley interview from todays alex jones show? i also came across this interview of rand paul by peter schiff today. http://www.schiffradio.com/ paul is the 2nd guest. havent listened to it yet.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2012-06-13   0:12:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Original_Intent, christine, noone222, Artisan, farmfriend, CadetD, all (#19) (Edited)

That is, why now?

Timing is right before lawyers for Ron Paul file suit over election fraud. The lawsuit seeks to ensure all delegates are unbound.....

Requesting delegate plaintiffs.......

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-06-13   0:16:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Cynicom (#18)

Germany started SS over a hundred years ago, still going strong, of course the money was not stolen by politicians to fight wars.

Corruption and tolerance of it is the real problem with every area of government in the U.S. Allowing the criminal to award himself immunity from prosecution has never been a grand idea !

The SS System was portrayed as an old age and wellness trust account that one paid into and could expect a return upon meeting the requirements stated in the initial application. Turns out this is a complete falsehood and SS is simply another tax that gets dumped into the general fund. The general fund gets tapped into by FEDS to such a degree that there's actually no money there, there's no individual account and the courts have ruled that the SS Administration isn't obligated to fulfill what most believed was an entitlement payment.

What SS actually did was to enable the States and those becoming members of the system to waive their sovereign rights in a free republic in lieu of becoming subjects of FEDERAL authority. Most people thought they had made a decision more akin to an insurance arrangement never imagining they'd forfeited their common law status. The SSN was "never" to be utilized as I.D. and stated the same on its face.

In truth, the people should be able to make the SS deal privately with a private company and without the government dragging them into additional obligatory conditions. An example of this would be the 50 State mandate that one supply a (FEDERAL) SS Number in order to obtain a State driver license. The FEDERAL Government is a foreign Sovereign from the several States as much as France is foreign to Spain. France wouldn't require its citizens to go to Spain and obtain a number so they could acquire a French driver license, nor should Texas require a Texan to enter the FEDERAL ZONE to obtain a State issued license.

The 14th Amendment and other programs like the later enactment of Social Security were designed to supply the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT with "subjects" (taxpaying citizens) that didn't exist at all (excepting D.C. residents and residents within Territories owned by the United States (INC.) prior to the war of Northern Aggression and subsequent 14th Amendment. Freed negroes became the majority of federal citizens upon passage of the 14th Amendment which was allegedly it original purpose. (Personally, I think the 14th Amendment was stealth enslavement of the entire country).

My personal opinion is that those paying into the program should have every expectation of receiving the benefits without the SS Administration or the FEDS altering the program or the obligations of the beneficiaries. The courts have ruled that the SS payment is a "GRATUITY" - Not an Entitlement.

The world spun on its axis for a billion years without Social Security it's just since 1935 that it has become "critical" to the health of the nation and its people.

"The few who understand the [FEDERAL RESERVE] system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests."

The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.

noone222  posted on  2012-06-13   6:47:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: abraxas (#5)

Tarpley offers no fresh ideas.

Tarpley offers what are in a sense very old ideas, but from my perspective, they are worth a fresh look. I am taking a fresh look at everything these days.

Venice’s War Against Western Civilization

« Against Oligarchy – Table of Contents

Appeared in Fidelio, Summer 1995

The British royal family of today typifies the Venetian Party, and continues the outlook and methods of an oligarchical faction which can be traced far back into the ancient world. Oligarchism is a principle of irrational domination associated with hereditary oligarchy/ nobility and with certain aristocratic priesthoods. At the center of oligarchy is the idea that certain families are born to rule as an arbitrary elite, while the vast majority of any given population is condemned to oppression, serfdom, or slavery. During most of the past 2,500 years, oligarchs have been identified by their support for the philosophical writings of Aristotle and their rejection of the epistemology of Plato. Aristotle asserted that slavery is a necessary institution, because some are born to rule and others to be ruled. He also reduced the question of human knowledge to the crudest sense certainty and perception of “facts.” Aristotle’s formalism is a means of killing human creativity, and therefore represents absolute evil. This evil is expressed by the bestialist view of the oligarchs that human beings are the same as animals.

Oligarchs identify wealth purely in money, and practice usury, monetarism, and looting at the expense of technological advancement and physical production. Oligarchs have always been associated with the arbitrary rejection of true scientific discovery and scientific method in favor of open anti-science or more subtle obscurantist pseudo-science. The oligarchy has believed for millennia that the earth is overpopulated; the oligarchical commentary on the Trojan War was that this conflict was necessary in order to prevent greater numbers of mankind from oppressing “Mother Earth.” The oligarchy has constantly stressed race and racial characteristics, often as a means for justifying slavery. In international affairs, oligarchs recommend such methods as geopolitics, understood as the method of divide and conquer which lets one power prevail by playing its adversaries one against the other. Oligarchical policy strives to maintain a balance of power among such adversaries for its own benefit, but this attempt always fails in the long run and leads to new wars.

The essence of oligarchism is summed up in the idea of the empire, in which an elite identifying itself as a master race rules over a degraded mass of slaves or other oppressed victims. If oligarchical methods are allowed to dominate human affairs, they always create a breakdown crisis of civilization, with economic depression, war, famine, plague, and pestilence. Examples of this are the fourteenth century Black Plague crisis and the Thirty Years War (1618-48), both of which were created by Venetian intelligence. The post- industrial society and the derivatives crisis have brought about the potential for a new collapse of civilization in our own time. This crisis can only be reversed by repudiating in practice the axioms of the oligarchical mentality.

A pillar of the oligarchical system is the family fortune, or fondo as it is called in Italian. The continuity of the family fortune which earns money through usury and looting is often more important than the biological continuity across generations of the family that owns the fortune. In Venice, the largest fondo was the endowment of the Basilica of St. Mark, which was closely associated with the Venetian state treasury, and which absorbed the family fortunes of nobles who died without heirs. This fondo was administered by the procurers of St. Mark, whose position was one of the most powerful under the Venetian system. Around this central fondo were grouped the individual family fortunes of the great oligarchical families, such as the Mocenigo, the Cornaro, the Dandolo, the Contarini, the Morosini, the Zorzi, and the Tron. Until the end of the eighteenth century, the dozen or so wealthiest Venetian families had holdings comparable or superior to the very wealthiest families anywhere in Europe. When the Venetian oligarchy transferred many of its families and assets to northern Europe, the Venetian fondi provided the nucleus of the great Bank of Amsterdam, which dominated Europe during the seventeenth century, and of the Bank of England, which became the leading bank of the eighteenth century....

Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. - H. L. Mencken

randge  posted on  2012-06-13   7:14:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: randge (#24)

I do not disagree with the analysis of the Oligarchical system, but it continues unabated. We had this analysis in 1995, but what is the solution? Over in England, the people are robbed of their wealth while they rally for the Queenies multi million dollar jubilee, much like an Obama campaign meet n' greet. : )

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-06-13   9:56:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: abraxas (#25)

Oligarchy, synarchy, whatever has spread roots and sprouted branches into the fabric of virtually every field of belief. That includes and is not limited to libertarianism.

Right now I'm with Yossarian. I'm armed and walking backwards. You never know where the bastards are coming from.

Yossarian was going absent without official leave with Milo, who, as the plane cruised toward Rome, shook his head reproachfully and, with pious lips pulsed, informed Yossarian in ecclesiastical tones that he was ashamed of him. Yossarian nodded. Yossarian was making an uncouth spectacle of himself by walking around backward with his gun on his hip and refusing to fly more combat missions, Milo said. Yossarian nodded. It was disloyal to his squadron and embarrassing to his superiors. He was placing Milo in a very uncomfort able position, too. Yossarian nodded again. The men were starting to grumble. It was not fair for Yossarian to think only of his own safety while men like Milo, Colonel Cathcart , Colonel Korn and ex-P.F.C. Wintergreen were willing to do everything they could to win the war. The men with seventy missions were starting to grumble because they had to fly eighty, and there was a danger some of them might put on guns and begin walking around backward, too. Morale was deteriorating and it was all Yossarian’s fault. The country was in peril; he was jeopardizing his traditional rights of freedom and independence by daring to exercise them.

Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. - H. L. Mencken

randge  posted on  2012-06-13   11:46:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: randge (#26)

Right now I'm with Yossarian. I'm armed and walking backwards. You never know where the bastards are coming from.

I like that.

I was a PNC in the military, but I did my job so that no other social misfit had to take my place. I was called a poor "sojer" by a lifer, wore that badge with honor. Sold my dress uniforms to a lifer for beer money, such is called a non conformist these days.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-06-13   12:51:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: abraxas, randge (#25)

I do not disagree with the analysis of the Oligarchical system, but it continues unabated. We had this analysis in 1995, but what is the solution? Over in England, the people are robbed of their wealth while they rally for the Queenies multi million dollar jubilee, much like an Obama campaign meet n' greet. : )

...and the condemned man ate a hearty meal.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-06-13   13:37:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: abraxas (#16)

As for uniting, he did unite a good many people and get them to do some critical thinking. For this, I am grateful.

I appreciate his efforts at organizing the youth too.

I believe he needed to keep his promise to campaign all the way to Tampa. The way he dropped out makes it harder for those that supported him to feel positive about going to Tampa, where I think there should be a riot and not a bunch of well behaved, cowed, and beaten lovers of freedom.

The people Ron is asking his supporters to behave for have pulled every rotten trick in the book on Ron Paul and those supporters of Ron's that were willing to call themselves republicans "if" the republicans would simply adhere to their own platform of smaller government owe them a black-eye.

Ron Paul's followers aren't asking too much of the party. Both parties have lied viciously to their constituents for decades. It's not time to be passive and "all nice" at the RNC Convention in Tampa - it's time to weed out the upper crust of elite sons of ugly bitches and send them packing with an ass-burn.

I watched some of the debates and read about the primaries and caucuses - Ron Paul was ill treated and sneered at by the so-called establishment. He's a senior statesman and there's no way in hell he deserved the treatment he got from asshats like Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh or those CNN pukes that ignored him. All of that being said, it's time for the American people to evaluate the corruption level in D.C. (and at the FEDERAL RESERVE MAFIOSO) and actually do something about it besides vote for the lesser of two equally sinister evils.

In the end, Ron Paul has some responsibility to his loyal supporters despite his age. If my kid came out endorsing a globalist like Romney, I'd disown him.

"The few who understand the [FEDERAL RESERVE] system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests."

The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.

noone222  posted on  2012-06-14   14:48:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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