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Title: Romney, Candidate for King, Denies He Would Need Congress’s Approval for War
Source: antiwar.com
URL Source: http://antiwar.com
Published: Jun 20, 2012
Author: http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2012/06/18/r
Post Date: 2012-06-20 22:51:35 by F.A. Hayek Fan
Keywords: None
Views: 944
Comments: 35

Making the rounds is this clip of a Face the Nation interview with Mitt Romney. In it, he declares the Constitution irrelevant and argues he alone can make the decision to use military force against Iran.

(Video here)

Putting aside for a moment the fact that Iran has no nuclear weapons program, just consider for a moment that the Republican nominee can now openly say that as president he can make war without the consent of Congress. That’s what passes for a campaign pledge from the Grand Old Party’s leadership in 2012.

Obama also believes in the president’s ability to make war on his own, despite laws mandating he seek the consent of Congress. But at least Obama does it in secret or by proxy. That said, the Obama administration, terrible as it is, has expended considerable political capital in staving off a US-Israeli war on Iran. Obama officials, from Defense Secretary Leon Panetta to Director of National Intelligence James Clapper to Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Martin Dempsey, have been paraded in front of Congress for months emphasizing their estimate that Iran is not developing nuclear weapons and has demonstrated no intention to do so. Then Obama secretly contacted the Supreme Ayatollah through Turkey’s prime minister in a diplomatic fashion. He then released to the press the results of a Pentagon war simulation which demonstrated that war with Iran would result in the outbreak of a regional conflict which would be almost impossible to contain. The administration did this while getting hammered by the GOP candidates and the Israeli leadership.

As Pillar has written, Iran has “ample reason” to believe, “ultimately the main Western interest is in regime change.” I believe that too. But as of right now, it appears the Obama administration views the military option as too costly. Even establishmentarian voices, like Aaron David Miller, who I’ve personally witnessed saying “a unilateral attack [on Iran] would be totally discretionary. It would be a war of choice,” not of necessity. George Perkovich of Carnegie Endowment for International Peace interjected Miller’s statement for emphasis on what an unprovoked military strike actually is, saying “it would be illegal.”

Daniel Larison writes that Romney excerpts like this make it clear what kind of president he would be. “No one should have any illusions about how Romney would conduct foreign policy if he is elected,” he argues. Maybe. It’s also possible that Romney would conduct foreign policy indecipherably from Obama and is just saying this to show he is tougher and get Republicans to vote for him. Either way, watching Romney talk about foreign policy makes one thing abundantly clear: he hasn’t a clue what he is talking about.

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#2. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#0)

Putting aside for a moment the fact that Iran has no nuclear weapons program, just consider for a moment that the Republican nominee can now openly say that as president he can make war without the consent of Congress. That’s what passes for a campaign pledge from the Grand Old Party’s leadership in 2012.

He got that idea from every sumbitch who has occupied the White House since WWII (which was the last war that Congress actually declared like the Constitution says they are supposed to if we get involved in one). Reagan waged war against a tiny little country that is probably not as big as most of our smallest states without any Congressional declaration of war. Both Bush's waged war without any congressional declaration of war, so did Clinton and so has Obama. Why would Romney not believe that if he gets to occupy the White House that he can't be king too?

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-06-21   0:21:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: James Deffenbach (#2)

He got that idea from every sumbitch who has occupied the White House since WWII (which was the last war that Congress actually declared like the Constitution says they are supposed to if we get involved in one).

But everyone of them except Obama sought Congressional approval of their proposed military action, even GW Bush.

Obama now has a Congress which does NOTHING if he decides to launch wars against Libya, Syria, and Pakistan, amongst others such as the Sudan and other African hellholes.

It is a very dangerous path we're on, and it's scary knowing that Obama is the more moderate choice for the next president.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-06-21   14:21:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: FormerLurker (#14)

It is a very dangerous path we're on, and it's scary knowing that Obama is the more moderate choice for the next president.

I don't know what you're smoking that would cause you to believe that Obama is any kind of moderate but since it distorts reality so bad I don't believe I want any.

And "seeking Congressional approval" is not the same thing as asking for, and getting, a declaration of war. All the wars/police actions/whatever you want to call them since WWII have been illegal.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-06-21   16:00:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: James Deffenbach (#15)

So yeah, Obama is waging wars without any Congressional authorization whatsoever. BUT, as bad as THAT is, Romney will do worse than that.

He'll ignite WWIII with reckless abandon in order to appease his Israeli/NWO masters.

At least Obama has thus far refused to go along with that idea.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-06-21   16:55:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: FormerLurker (#17)

Yeah, whatever. I haven't had any of Obama's kook-aid and don't plan to drink any. He is the absolute WORST president--or "acting president_-- that has occupied the White House in my lifetime and I've seem some real doozies. Obama will attack whoever his owners tell him to attack and you can take that to the bank. Will Romney be any different? No, he will do whatever they tell him too. They are BOTH establishment puppets and I thought as smart as you are you would have known that.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-06-21   17:50:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: James Deffenbach (#20)

No, he will do whatever they tell him too. They are BOTH establishment puppets and I thought as smart as you are you would have known that.

I thought I made it clear I don't support Obama, but I also tried to make it clear no matter HOW bad Obama is, Romney will most certainly be worse.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-06-21   18:56:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#34. To: FormerLurker (#21)

I tend to agree that mitt would be more prone to start ww3. But, as others pointed out, if/when the puppetmasters give the green light, ww3 will be regardless of who the puppet is..

Artisan  posted on  2012-06-22 18:12:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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