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Title: Ron Paul says GOP is wrong for trying to cut food stamps one week after Rand tried to cut food stamps
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URL Source: http://libertyfight.com/2012/Ron_Pa ... zes_GOP_for_what_Rand_did.html
Published: Jun 22, 2012
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Post Date: 2012-06-22 03:33:49 by Artisan
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Views: 417
Comments: 17

Libertarion icon criticizes Republicans for precisely what Rand spearheaded

During a new interview confirming that he will not endorse Mitt Romney, Congressman Ron Paul has criticized Republicans for precisely what his son Rand spearheaded earlier this month. After telling CNN "no way" he'd endorse Romney, Paul went on MSNBC repeating his rejection of Romney and discussed food stamps.

When Rand Paul went on Glenn Beck TV defending his Romney endorsement last week, he also discussed 4th Amendment-violating drones, noting "I'm afraid Mayor Bloomberg's gonna be going over my backyard barbeque seeing if anyone's got a big gulp, or whether or not I'm separating my recyclables correctly". [minute 7 at this clip.]

The "big gulp" reference was a dig at New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg's proposed ban on the sale of sugary soft drinks over 16 ounces in the city.

Bloomberg's absurd nanny-state soda ban has the support of left-wing statists such as Bill Clinton. However, Rand himself has also ironically obsessed on citizen's eating habits, endorsing the very same mindset that Bloomberg promotes; Rand insisted that people should not be allowed to buy "junk food" or McDonalds with Food Stamps: "The American people don't want food stamps going to buy junk food, to be used at McDonalds." The freshman senator also tried to characterize some of the nearly 47 million Americans on food stamps as dishonest millionares:

Rand Paul: "Should you buy junk food on food stamps? Should you get to go to McDonald's on foodstamps?" Paul asked. "It's out of control. It's not about helping those in need. It's about being wise with the taxpayer dollars, it's about being wise with the taxpayer dollars and not giving people $20,000 a year in food stamps. We need to give it only to people who can't work, those who are in need, and those who are not able bodied. But we're giving it to millionaires."

Paul's proposed food-stamp amendment, which would have reportedly saved $322 billion over ten years,was rejected 65-33.

Appearing on MSNBC's Morning Joe June 20, Ron Paul brought up the issue. Asked if he sought to cut social security and other social programs, Paul explained that he wanted people to have the opportunity to opt out of it. He made a specific point about Republicans being "seen as cutting food stamps", and explained that he himself, on the contrary, would be the best protector of such programs because he wanted to cut the massive military budget:

Ron Paul: [11:00] "...and when it comes to welfare, matter of fact I'm probably the best protector of social security and some of these programs for child healthcare and elderly healthcare- because we cant afford it. We're going bust, and it's all gonna collapse. You have Obamacare, is totally destructive to the medical care system. I'm saying save- I want to cut a trillion dollars out of the budget- but a lot of it comes from overseas funding and war, and I'm saying- this is the only way we can preserve some of these programs and work our way out of it. I want young people to opt out of social security. But my goal isnt to cut- I think it's where the republicans make a mistake. theyre seen as cutting food stamps, and increasing the military budget. I think thats bad politics and so in my more pragmatic stance on how we get to the place where i want to go, actually I'm probably offering a program where some of these programs that we have taught people to be so dependent on, I would probably preserve them longer than others because we are going to lose them because of the bankruptcy that is coming."

Thus, Paul characterized his own son Rand's food-stamp amendment as "bad politics". In reality, Rand wasn't merely percieved or "seen as cutting food stamps"; he officially advocated it, while at the same time advocating increased military spending.

Rand Paul is known for advocating reduction of the military budget- but on March 22 2012, Rand appeared on Glenn Beck's show discussing his proposed 5 year budget plan. Asked by Beck about defense spending, Paul noted that he would actually increase military spending increase by cutting four other departments: [4:38] "Instead of having military spending go down, like the sequester would have, ours actually allows for a gradual increase in military spending over time.." Beck's assistant asked Rand for clarification; "Wait a minute. You're actually going to increase military spending?" to which Rand replied an unoquivical "Yes." Despite being the son of the most well known non-interventionist of modern time, Paul voted for sanctions against Iran and has been referred to as a neocon in libertarian clothing.

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#1. To: Artisan (#0)

I believe apples never fall far from the trees they grow upon.

I don't like what has happened.... I see politicing games and I dislike politicing games... I'd rather break government shit and punch holes in the system/


I support the occupation
Fuck it if it kills me. Liberty before death.

titorite  posted on  2012-06-22   5:46:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Artisan (#0)

Evidently there is some father-son friction at work here. More than just Rand's endorsement of Romney.

Shoonra  posted on  2012-06-22   6:46:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Artisan (#0)

I would probably preserve them longer than others because we are going to lose them because of the bankruptcy that is coming.

Vote Obama.

Our white sons are sent to war against non-whites who have done us no harm, and this is not called crime;
at home, non-white criminals prey upon our wives and daughters and this is not called war.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-06-22   11:41:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Artisan, Jethro Tull, Christine, Phant2000 (#0)

Go back and read Rands own words since he has been in office.

He voted to cut medicare payments across the board, """"EXCEPT to doctors""""".

We can hear his own words on the internet..."DOCTORS HAVE A RIGHT TO A COMFORTABLE LIVING"...

I have been trying to ascertain if in fact MEDICARE paid for a part of his medical education.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-06-22   11:51:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Cynicom (#4)

Cutting payments to docs further would of course reduce the number of docs willing to take medicare patients.

It is very low pay per visit, and by and large they can afford to eschew it.

A better solution would be to increase the number of docs by reducing or eliminating licensing requirements.

But then some of the better potential docs will do something besides become a doctor, and the number of half-qualified turd world docs in the system will also increase.

TANSTAAFL.

Our white sons are sent to war against non-whites who have done us no harm, and this is not called crime;
at home, non-white criminals prey upon our wives and daughters and this is not called war.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-06-22   11:57:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#5)

It seems many tax dollars went to fund Rand Pauls education at Baylor and Duke.

I have not been able to find a figure anywhere.

Medicare pays DIRECT to teaching hospitals for residencies, salaries, expenses etc etc.

New doctors that belabor taking medicare patients are reluctant to admit that a huge amount of medicare money paid for their education.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-06-22   12:10:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: lod, christine, eric stratton, original_intent, jethro tull, wudidiz (#0)

Libertarion icon criticizes Republicans for precisely what Rand spearheaded

You know what the FUNNIEST f'n thing is? This article was visited this morning by the official ISP of the UNITED STATES SENATE.

wonder who on earth that cud possibly be?

LMAO!

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2012-06-22   12:15:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Artisan (#0)

So, is RP a libertarian or republican? Can't be both.

Obnoxicated  posted on  2012-06-22   12:42:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Shoonra, Artisan (#2)

Evidently there is some father-son friction at work here. More than just Rand's endorsement of Romney.

I think I've commented to that effect going sometime back. Rand is NOT a close of Ron and the two have a different world view. Rand is a NeoCon who leans libertarian on some issues BUT he is not a Libertarian - he is more Scofield Rupturite leaning. Ron I trust on a lot of issues. Rand I don't trust hardly at all.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-06-22   12:42:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Cynicom (#6)

Medicare pays DIRECT to teaching hospitals for residencies, salaries, expenses etc etc.

Every institution is a scam, eventually.

Our white sons are sent to war against non-whites who have done us no harm, and this is not called crime;
at home, non-white criminals prey upon our wives and daughters and this is not called war.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2012-06-22   13:14:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Original_Intent (#9)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

America: Israel's Handmaiden

Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-06-22   13:17:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Eric Stratton (#11)

We shouldn't even trust Ron other than beyond the ideas that he espouses in defense of true liberty. He's not nor ever has been a savior of sorts.

I believe My friend Ron Avery would say the same exact thing.... near verbatim.

Some times the message out weighs the man... I guess we shouldn't let the man weigh down the message.


I support the occupation
Fuck it if it kills me. Liberty before death.

titorite  posted on  2012-06-22   16:11:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: titorite (#12)

Some times the message out weighs the man... I guess we shouldn't let the man weigh down the message.

Since the 2008 debacle, I have said that Ron Paul had the perfect message, but he was not the needed messenger.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-06-22   16:20:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#10)

Every institution is a scam, eventually.

Everyone likes "free money".

The amount of dollars paid to teaching hospitals amounts to many billions of dollars per year.

That is paid direct per student per year for their education, NOT ONE DOCTOR IN A HUNDRED WILL TELL YOU THAT.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-06-22   16:27:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Eric Stratton (#11)

We shouldn't even trust Ron other than beyond the ideas that he espouses in defense of true liberty. He's not nor ever has been a savior of sorts.

True, although sometimes you have to trust people. If you go through life untrusting it is a pretty miserable experience - "No man is an island".

With the pieces all on the table, it is quite easy to see the beast system of this world coming into a clear view.

I do agree that we are at a turning point in history. We are now in the thick of the storm although I think, for the moment, that have passed into the eye of the tempest.

We are now in what Robert Heinlein referrd to, in his "future history", as the "Crazy Years". And certainly the men and women now in positions of power are quite mad - criminally insane in fact.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-06-22   17:44:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: titorite (#12)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

America: Israel's Handmaiden

Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-06-22   18:48:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Original_Intent (#15)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

—Samuel Adams

America: Israel's Handmaiden

Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-06-22   18:51:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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