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Title: Painkiller Comparison Chart From Weakest to Strongest
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Post Date: 2012-06-24 20:52:36 by James Deffenbach
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Medical Summaries What are the best pain pills? What are the dosages? Here is a comparison table summary of popular pain medication. The pain relievers below were ranked by effectiveness for chronic back pain, by a Harvard Study. Each pain medication was rated for effectiveness on a scale of from 1 (aspirin) to 10 (morphine). . 1. OVER - THE - COUNTER (OTC) Pain Medicine Anacin Minor aches, pains minor aches and pains aspirin allergy, Anacin non Headache fever, June 2009, again Vanquish Headache headache same as above Advil Aches, pains, fever, aspirin allergy, Aleve Joint and muscle pain arthritis, Naproxen heart risk Motrin 800 (listed above) (as above) (as above) Actron Anti-inflammatory, arthritis Notes : (NSAID= Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflamatory Drug) 90 170 - 700 60 40 90 90 . 2. PRESCRIPTION Pain Medicine Celebrex Osteoarthritis, Celebrex heart risk Ultram Moderate pain nausea, constipation, dizziness, headache, drowsiness, vomiting * Note: The scores for Celebrex and Ultram are estimates (3.7* and 3.8*). These two drugs did not exist at the time of the study. Demerol 50 mg The opiates and synthetic opiates (from 4 down to 10) are the most effective pain killers, but they are subject to the most abuse, and prescription pain killer addiction. All the opiates and derivatives are habit-forming. Lorcet 5-500 mg Vicodin 5-500 mg Lorcet Plus 7.5-650 mg Vicodin ES 7.5-750 mg Norco 5-325 mg Lortab 10-500 mg Vicodin HP 10-660 mg Percocet 2.5-325 mg Oxycodone is very effective. Percodan oxycodone HCl, 4.50 mg Oxycontin 40 RMS Morphine may be the fourth strongest pain relief medicine available. Duragesic ** The score for fentanyl is an estimate. It did not exist at the time of the study. Fentanyl is very effective for gunshot wounds, and fragmentation wounds. However, there have been serious problems with fentanyl dosing (overdosing). Death has resulted from simply handling the medication with the fingers. One must use great care when handling fentanyl. Dilaudid (tabs) I recently received a very thoughtful email from a Special Operations medic. He stated that he has extensively administered all of these top medications. He concludes that Dilaudid is several times more effective than morphine, and that it has fewer side effects, although just as serious. I have therefore moved Dilaudid to the "most-effective drug" position on the list. Opana 3 hours (also, injection and suppository) 90 170 - 700 90 40 140 DISCLAIMER DISCLAIMER ADDENDUM (July 13, 2010):
Drugs for Pain
Painkiller Summary 
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Which pain killers have the worst side-effects?
This chart lists the pain relief ability of the most common pain medication, both prescription and non-prescription.
From Weakest to Strongest
(Capitalized)
(not capitalized)
(per pill)
RELIEF
SCORE
to Label
(according to
Consumer's Guide)
Caused
Bayer
Bufferin
Ecotrin
(acetylsalicylic acid)
NSAID
325 mg
cold, headache,
muscular ache
asthma,
stomach bleeding,
Reye's Syndrome
Excedrin
Tylenol
(N-(4-hydroxyphenyl)
acetamide)
if allergic to aspirin,
arthritis,
rheumatism,
musculo-skeletal
7-04-06- Tylenol Liver Damage
"Tylenol is the No. 1 cause of acute liver failure in the U.S."
"[Acetaminophen] is a leading cause of death from pharmaceuticals,"
aspirin (NSAID), and acetaminophen
500 mg
Muscle ache
not for children and teens
Motrin
Nuprin
(2-(4-Isobutyl-phenyl)-
propionic acid)
(analgesic, antipyretic)
NSAID
colds, toothache,
muscle aches,
backache,
menstrual, fever
muscle ache
asthma,
upset stomach,
not for last trimester
Naproxen
(anti-inflammatory)
NSAID
rheumatism,
musculo-skeletal
upset stomach,
not for nursing mothers
(analgesic, antipyretic)
NSAID
Orudis
(anti-inflammatory)
NSAID
analgesic
More Warnings on OTC Drugs:
NSAIDS Increase Blood Pressure
Aspirin and NSAIDS Cause Stomach Bleeding Resulting In Death
NSAIDS Linked to Erectile Disfunction
from Prescription Painkillers
from the CDC - Nov. 1, 2011
(per pill)
RELIEF
SCORE
to Label
Caused
(COX-2 inhibitor)
NSAID
200 mg
rheumatoid arthritis,
short term pain,
painful menstruation
stomach bleeding,
heart attack, stroke
100 mg
The inclusion of high amounts of acetaminophen with all these medications is a rather CRUEL attempt by the pharmaceutical companies to prevent abuse, since overdosing will result in the destruction of the liver. I would describe this, at best, as "not very nice". The Puritanical ethic at work, destroying livers, and lives. "Let's kill off all the druggies." This is way beyond cynical.
Knowing that these drugs are abused, and then filling them up with the poisonous acetaminophen, is criminal malfeasance by the drug companies. One more reason to prosecute them.
Fed Seeks Less Acetaminophen in Combo Pain Pills - Jan. 13, 2011
FINALLY!
** The score for Norco is an estimate. It did not exist at the time of the study.
acetaminophen
acetaminophen
acetaminophen
acetaminophen
and acetaminophen
7.5-325 mg
10-325 mg
acetaminophen
acetaminophen
5- 325 mg
7.5-325 mg
7.5-500 mg
10-325 mg
10-650 mg
** The score for oxycodone is an estimate. It did not exist at the time of the study.
oxycodone terephthalate,
and aspirin
0.38 mg
325 mg
MS Contin
30 mg
60 mg
100 mg
Fentora
Actiq
Lollipop
Palladone (caps)
hydrochloride
AKA
dihydromorphinone
2 mg
3 mg
4 mg
(was 9)
Opana ER
extended release
10 mg
5 mg
7.5 mg
10 mg
15 mg
20 mg
30 mg
40 mg
5 - 8 hours
The author has no medical training. No advice is intended.
Consult your doctor for personal pain reliever advice.
Although the author has tried to be as accurate as possible, errors and misstatements are possible. Some pain medicine was not available at the time of the study, such as tramadol (Ultram), celebrex, etc.
This data was summarized and ordered by me into this Pain Killer Chart, primarily from
http://neuro-www.mgh.harvard.edu/forum_2/ChronicPainF/3.19.991.15AM PAINKILLERS SU.html and from other Pain Medication websites. The Harvard study was based upon the best painkiller for chronic back pain relief. This is a Pain Meds Comparison Chart. It compares each prescription pain drug, and each OTC pain drug.
I made this Painkiller Summary/ Pain Medication Table to identify the best pain relief alternatives, and to point out the side effects of each one.
IRONY - Acetaminophen seems to be the "baddest boy" on the block. Not only is it marginally effective, it doesn't take much to destroy your liver. Least effective, most dangerous. Great.
Due to an email from Ron K., I have undertaken the task to write a more comprehensive disclaimer, emphasizing that this page consists of very subjective estimates. I , too, have pondered the dosage issue of one medication versus another. Which dosage of a medication is comparable to which dosage of another similar medication?
I had made the assumption that the comparisons above are based upon the median dosage of one medication, versus the median dosage of another medication. I have BOLDED the "median/ popular" dosages. Is this the best way to do this? I don't know. But it is a simplified way to do it.
To try to compare every single dosage of each medicine, with every other, the number of substance/ dosage combinations versus all the other substance/ dosage combinations, would be impractical for several reasons -
1. The number of comparison combinations is prohibitive, if all are done.
2. Which comparisons are to be made? Certainly not aspirin versus morphine. Perhaps each substance/dosage should be compared with the two adjacent substances?
3. Where is this data to come from? To have accurate comparisons of each medicine/ dosage versus every other medicine/ dosage would be great! But I have no idea how you would get them, other than creating a massive tightly-controlled survey of users.
4. Just how accurate would this data be, since the nature of the data is so subjective. One person might say that "4mg of X makes me feel better than 10mg of Y", and another person might say just the opposite. Who is correct?
5. All patients are different - their pain is different, their tolerance to pain is different, and their response to medications is different. I weigh over 300 lbs. It takes a lot more of just about ANYTHING to affect me. Doctors frequently fail to recognize or concede this "dilution factor". Also, a very slight person receives a "concentration factor", which can be a far worse situation.
6. Due to the different ways that the medicines work, I don't think that mg vs. mg comparisons are directly comparable. Doubling the dosage of one agent, can be profoundly different than doubling the dosage of another. Some medications concentrate in certain organs, while others distribute themselves throughout the blood volume.
So, who is going to set the "Approximate Equivalent Dose"? The pharma company? NO way. We know how full-of-it they are. Reference the current Avandia data suppression. And the vested interests - manufacturer vs. manufacturer. Who else is going to do it? No one can scientifically do this, as far as I know. "Pain-relieving-effect" is very hard to judge, and describe.
I have read many pharma company descriptions of effectiveness and side-effects. I will take anecdotal evidence over "official pronouncements" any day. Doctors parrot the text put out by the pharma companies as if it were irrefutable fact, and poo-poo "personal stories" as biased and inaccurate. Balderdash! Personal anecdotes describe what is REALLY going on with REAL people. I prefer to listen to the mouths of patients, rather than the biased sellers of the medicines.
All the pain relief scores on this page are SUBJECTIVE ESTIMATES, and may not reflect reality for every patient. Or even come close. I wish I knew how to make this page better, other than just an expanded disclaimer.
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#1. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
Not mentioned is one that has worked very well on me during my recovery from a Liver Transplant ---- Tramodol. Non-Narcotic. Non-Habit Forming. "If we don’t adhere to the Constitution on matters as significant as presidential eligibility, then the Constitution ceases to be a meaningful document for guiding our nation."
I have chronic pain and my doctor prescribed Tramadol for me. Might as well have been taking sugar pills. And if you look at the chart again you will see that it IS listed (Ultram/Tramadol). One of my mother's doctors told her that he took it for kidney stones so apparently it works very well for him but he also said that there were people, about 30%, for whom it was useless. And apparently I am one of that 30%.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi "If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken "..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
"Take the pain"? Not likely if I can get anything that will make it stop.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi "If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken "..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
I am very sorry to hear that J. I do know constant pain is a life issue. I hope you can find something that helps. Thanks Tom. Constant pain is not a good companion. The only thing I have found that helps and that doesn't cause me other problems is Percocet (and it's hard to get a prescription for those for chronic pain). Codeine can be bought over the counter in many countries but unfortunately for me I am allergic to it. I wouldn't have any problem getting that but it is useless to me because of the side effects (makes me itch like crazy).
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi "If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken "..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
I would love to have a lifetime script for Demerol. The addiction concerns are way overblown. I took 100mg tabs for almost 7 months and it was the best I ever slept, the least hyper and the most calm I have ever been in 59 years. I didn't gradually reduce it, I just quit cold turkey because the script ran out (it was for my mother's back injury and pain) and had no side effects at all.
The local medical licensing board just (8 weeks ago) yanked the narcotics license of a very active Doctor Feelgood who was, essentially, making a fortune as a pusher by giving his clients prescriptions for heavy-duty controlled substances such as percoset and oxycontin - and in really substantial amounts that pushed the envelope on the legal limits for single prescriptions. In fact, taking the entire prescription amount over the course of a single month would probably put a normal person in a coma or a coffin. It is fairly obvious that he was deliberately over-prescribing in return for charging his clients very high fees (not reimbursed by Medicaid or insurance as far as I know) by enabling them to have some extra pills that they could each sell on the street for about $25-$60 per pill, to help them afford his services. Clients - the sort of people with more tattoos than teeth - drove across two states to see him and paid cash at a local pharmacy that would still (when other pharmacies stopped) honor his prescriptions. This all involved a lot of money; the doctor charged a lot, and the medications themselves cost a lot at the drugstore. A calculation of the number of patients he was seeing every month indicates that he was seeing each one for less than six minutes - barely enough time to count their money and write a new scrip. He lost his narcotics license, and although he can still prescribe other medications, including mild painkillers like Celebrex, his client base has vanished almost completely because his business was built entirely on narcotics. Not to worry, some other doctor has popped up to take up the narcotics prescription business. This doctor was previously a pediatrician and a sports doctor, but he seems to have smelled where the money is.
Missed it clean :-) I thought it worked on everyone, but guess not. I'm sure glad it worked for me, hope you find one to work for you. Chronic pain is unhealthy, and distracting for sure. "If we don’t adhere to the Constitution on matters as significant as presidential eligibility, then the Constitution ceases to be a meaningful document for guiding our nation."
Sorry for the hard ass jest. I've been under the knife many times and know how pain can crush your life. I've tried to find theraputic avenues around the pills, but sometimes that is not possible. A lot of pain pills are junk. I met a woman recently who had a boyfriend who died taking acetominophen for a toothache on a weekend when he couldn't get to a dentist. He died of liver failure. They should stop making such poison. I hope you find the right formula James, and get back to a comfortable equilibirium. From experience, That's a Very Painful way to Die! I went into coma in Little Rock and they flew me to Nashville (VanDerbilt/VA). They were able to get me stablized for numerous electrolyte and sytemic dificiencies. Then placed at #3 on the waitlist. Took 2+ months for donor. Very Close! "If we don’t adhere to the Constitution on matters as significant as presidential eligibility, then the Constitution ceases to be a meaningful document for guiding our nation."
Yeah, demerol is good medicine. It is one of the drugs on that table that I have had before in the hospital (but I was in so much pain it took about four shots, iirc, to ease it--and then, after it had finally quit hurting, they took me and rolled me around in one of those cat scan machines. Total waste of money, I could have told them I didn't have any cats). But if I could get scripts for that or percocet that would be fine. As for getting addicted I suppose some people get addicted to Lortab if they take them long enough but I had taken them for several years and if I ran out I didn't have any withdrawal pains. I rarely take them anymore unless the pain gets pretty bad because of the chance that trying to ease that pain with Lortab will give me a headache. Best medicine I ever had for a headache was something you used to be able to get in Brazil, a drug called Ormigrein. It was like a miracle drug for my headaches but then they quit making it and I don't know if you can get it anywhere these days (never could get it here so far as I know). Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi "If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken "..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
Yeah, there are always busybodies involved to tell everyone else what to do, how to do it and when to do it. Ef the government, they should get out of the doctor/patient and medicine business. The folks who would help those of us who have chronic pain conditions are afraid to help because of said busybodies, at least a lot of them are. Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi "If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken "..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
I guess because we are all at least a bit different and the chemical makeup of our brain is not exactly the same from one person to the next it would be hard to find any drug that worked for everyone and that no one would be allergic to. But I'm glad Tramadol worked for you and I wish it had worked for me. It was not an expensive medicine but for me it was like taking sugar pills. Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi "If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken "..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
I would bet anything I have that that drug has killed more people, or contributed to more people's death, than any "hard drug" you could name. And it is another thing that is useless for me. Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi "If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken "..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
Demorol was one that worked really well for me too. I could function great with no pain and no side effects. I also have an allergic reaction to all codeine, like James. Demorol was a life saver after surgery with no addictive concerns.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Me too. The only over the counter that works for me Ibuprofin. Are you allergic to sulpher drugs too? " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
I don't think so but I honestly don't remember having taken any. Maybe when I was a kid I did. The only things I know for sure that I am allergic to is codeine and Lortab. Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi "If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken "..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
Hemp is a painkiller, a muscle relaxant and and anti-inflammatory.
I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
It is?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi "If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken "..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
I too have constant pain but mine is different than most. Because of my head injury I often get discomfort in different parts of my body - often parts go numb. I can deal with that but what is tuff to deal with are the emotional and mental issues. Often I will loose the 3rd dimension and cannot judge distances and my vision will rapidly get blurry. Sometimes I will start talking very slow and become extremely emotional, usually unhpappy unless it is something that pisses me off and then I will become extremely angry in less than a second or two. Worst part is the confusion that happens as a part of this. When my wife and I are going someplace and one of these damaned things slams me I have to pull over and let her drive. I don't have seizures like many who have serious head injuries do but I get very shall we say will robinsonish - lost in space. Fortunately it usually never lasts more than a hour or two. Every once in awhile it will flare up and last for a day or two. I pray your constant pain diminishes or just goes away altogether. Problem is, doctors engage in the "practice of medicine" and usually won't listen to the patient.
When I was in the hospital for 7 back in 97 with severe pancreatitis the pain was so bad they pretty much kept me knocked out for most of the 7 days. I had an IV and about every 2 hours I would start to wake up and they would come and shoot in 50mg of demerol in the IV and BOOM I was back out. I would have to say and pancreatitis is just about the worst pain I have ever had. I had a friend who had it tell me that it was the only pain she ever had that could compare to pain of giving birth.
I can tell you about four things that are brutally painful (not in any particular order). Twisted bowel; sciatica; gout; kidney stones. I have had all of those things and a couple of years ago had sciatica and gout at the same time. I wouldn't wish any of those off on anyone. Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi "If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken "..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
Thank you very much. Some doctors are cognizant of the fact that the patient knows his or her own body better than the doctor ever could and that kind of doctor is generally pretty easy to talk to. But they certainly are not the majority. Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi "If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken "..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
Ultram/Tramadol is a "political response" drug, intended to salve the nerves of politicians who can't stand the thought of people self medicating or becoming euphoric when they do. It's crap. The federal government caused the crime wave known as the drug war. At the end of the Civil War the number one ailment was known as The Soldier's Disease, which was addiction to Laudanum. It was available through the mail and soldiers who were traumatized and/or in pain simply doped their pain away. There was a lot of addiction but no crime because the dope was cheap and available. And politicians and celebs (like Rush Limbaugh) certainly don't have any trouble obtaining whatever happy meds they desire. They just don't want us to have unfettered access to them. Some wild eyed religious zealot came up with the notion that suffering opens the Pearly Gates for people, even if we don't share their beliefs. Sheriff Joe Arpaio magnanimously agreed that marijuana is OKAY for terminal cancer patients, but if your pain is severe and chronic but you're not dying then no reefer for you! So you see, the drug war is a great asshole detector. Cops think they should enrich themselves in drug forfeitures because they can, not because it strengthens us as a nation. And the fact that corruption is rampant among cops, judges, lawyers, border patrol agents, not to mention our kids, the ones who don't have their lives ruined by the aforementioned seizure freaks doesn't change their greedy point of view one bit.
Great post Dawg. The drug you mentioned, Laudanum, is the same thing as Dilaudid isn't it? I think people in chronic pain should have ready access to it. I could get by on Percocet (and be glad to get them) but I still think that the government should get out of the drug and hospital/patient, doctor/patient relationship. The FDA is one of the most useless agencies of the government and it needs to be shut down and boarded up like most of the rest of the government's tyrannical agencies.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi "If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken "..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
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Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson The opium based meds were all very similar. When I was a kid my dear Mother (may The Good Lord bless her with lots of Hershey bars in Heaven) sent me to the drug store with a note for the druggist, and I returned with a bottle of Paregoric. (After I negligently shot my brother's front tooth out with a "hidden" bb pistol that I found and delighted in giving chase and shooting "Bo Bo" in the ass with- until he suddenly squatted and turned around to face me-I'm thankful that I didn't turn him into a cyclops) The diff between Laudanum and Paregoric was the ratio of "Dorothy's poppies" ("Sleep, my child, sleep...") and alcohol. In 1900 Bayer, (the aspirin company, the same evil corporate giant that later sold AIDS tainted blood plasma and guaranteed that virtually every living hemophiliac was/is HIV Positive or dead) marketed BAYER HEROIN TABLETS in little tin boxes, just like their aspirin. It was marketed as a cure for cocaine addiction. And most of the hundreds of remedies offered for every ailment (Jethro Tull's "Rheumatiz Medicine-Ize takin' it an' Ize feel reel good!") contained either opium derivatives and alcohol, or cocaine. And, if the baby was crying they'd give the little feller a spoonful and quiet him down. Before long Mommy and baby needed "medicine" every day, all day long. At least one airline supplied passengers with Benzedrine inhalers for air/motion sickness until the FDA banned them in the early 60's (if memory serves)-except for US AIR FORCE pilots like the guy who killed two Canadians on the ground a few years back. The schedules for combat sorties are so demanding that pilots are often exhausted, and some have complained about the use of speed to push them beyond healthful limits. So, if the govt needs to dope their pilots (and troops) to support the Allied Petroleum Expeditionary Forces (The Exxon Mercenary Militia) and they suffer post combat problems, just remember boys, only pussies complain. But, if the Harry Anslingers of today think that you're self medicating for moderate to severe chronic pain they'll send in the Tommy Gun toting (hey, they're sentimental) goons to kill you. BETTER DEAD THAN HEADS!
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"He died of liver failure.
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I would love to have a lifetime script for Demerol. The addiction concerns are way overblown. I took 100mg tabs for almost 7 months and it was the best I ever slept, the least hyper and the most calm I have ever been in 59 years. I didn't gradually reduce it, I just quit cold turkey because the script ran out (it was for my mother's back injury and pain) and had no side effects at all.
#13. To: Shoonra (#8)
The local medical licensing board just (8 weeks ago) yanked the narcotics license of a very active Doctor Feelgood
#14. To: ndcorup (#9)
I thought it worked on everyone, but guess not. I'm sure glad it worked for me, hope you find one to work for you. Chronic pain is unhealthy, and distracting for sure.
#15. To: randge (#10)
A lot of pain pills are junk. I met a woman recently who had a boyfriend who died taking acetominophen
#16. To: bush_is_a_moonie, James Deffenbach (#7)
#17. To: James Deffenbach (#15)
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And it is another thing that is useless for me.
#18. To: abraxas (#17)
Are you allergic to sulpher drugs too?
#19. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
#20. To: Turtle (#19)
#21. To: James Deffenbach (#12)
#22. To: abraxas (#16)
#23. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#22)
#24. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#21)
I pray your constant pain diminishes or just goes away altogether. Problem is, doctors engage in the "practice of medicine" and usually won't listen to the patient.
#25. To: James Deffenbach (#3)
#26. To: HOUNDDAWG (#25)
#27. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
#28. To: James Deffenbach, Stephen Lendman, christine, Jethro Tull, Esso (#26)
Laudanum, is the same thing as Dilaudid isn't it?
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