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Title: Mayor Bloomberg Says Cops Should Go On Strike Until Americans Give Up Their Guns
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URL Source: http://reason.com/blog/2012/07/24/m ... mberg-says-cops-should-go-on-s
Published: Jul 25, 2012
Author: Mike Riggs
Post Date: 2012-07-25 18:28:53 by James Deffenbach
Keywords: None
Views: 264
Comments: 29

New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg told CNN's Piers Morgan last night that he doesn't "understand why police officers across this country don’t stand up collectively and say we’re going to go on strike, we’re not going to protect you unless you, the public, through your legislature, do what’s required to keep us safe."

We've been hearing a lot of that recently. Earlier this year, The New York Times reprinted a Department of Justice press release and slapped this lede on top of it: “As violent crime has decreased across the country, a disturbing trend has emerged: Rising numbers of police officers are being killed.”

Bloomberg and The New York Times are both wrong: In 2008, ten times more civilians regular people were killed by cops than cops were killed by perps. In 2011, 72 cops were shot and killed in the entire U.S.; in L.A. County alone, cops shot and killed 54 suspects the same year--22 percent of those people were unarmed. As Scott Reeder reported at Reason this morning, "Farmers, ranchers, commercial fishermen, loggers, garbage collectors, truck drivers, construction workers, pilots, steel workers, roofers, and others are far more likely to face death on the jobs than police or firefighters, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics." And as Choire Sicha wrote earlier this year, "2008 was the ten-year low for police officers being killed, and 2012 is, so far, year-to-date, down 49% from last year."

Bloomberg, the commander of "the seventh biggest army in the world" went on to say that "police officers want to go home to their families. And we’re doing everything we can to make their job more difficult, but more importantly, more dangerous, by leaving guns in the hands of people who shouldn’t have them and letting people who have those guns buy things like armor piercing bullets.’’

The statistics say that the jobs of police officers are getting increasingly safer. After all, even the smallest departments now have access to battle-tested body armor, weaponry, vehicles, and unmanned drones; SWAT and raid training courtesy of outfits like Academi (the company formerly known as Blackwater now trains officers "who conduct warrant service, fugitive apprehension, SWAT operations and drug search warrants who are in need of sound tactics and techniques"); asset forfeiture funds from the Department of Justice; and a neutered-and-spayed 4th Amendment, courtesy of the United States Supreme Court.

Thanks to all of that, cops are more likely than ever to return safely to their families every night.

But what about the rest of us? What about Kelly Thomas, who screamed for his father while five cops beat him to death? Or Patricia Cook, shot to death by a deranged alcoholic with a badge? Or Andrew Scott, killed during a wrong-door raid? Or Nick Christie, gagged and pepper-sprayed to death by prison guards? Or Seth Adams, shot four times by a cop behind his family business, then left to die? Or Wendell Allen, who was unarmed when a New Orleans cop shot and killed him during a raid? Or Ramarley Graham, the 18-year-old New Yorker shot and killed by plainclothes cops for trying to flush a small bag of marijuana down the toilet? Or Kyle Miller, killed by Colorado police for waving a BB gun in the air? Or Todd Blair, killed by Utah police for raising a golf club above his head?

That's a smattering of names from the last year or so. A complete list is impossible, though you could spend months culling names from local media outlets. It would be significantly longer if we included people who were shot, but didn't die; or people who were just shot at by cops. It would be exponentially longer if we included people who were beaten, intimidated, wrongly arrested/incarcerated, or otherwise abused by police officers.

Didn't these folks want to go home to their families? Didn't they want to be safe when they were in their homes with their families?

They didn't get memorials. Their hometowns didn't shut down traffic for their funerals. The mayor didn't speak at their prayer vigil, if they had a prayer vigil. Their congressmen did not speechify about them on C-SPAN. No one proposed laws in their honor. No city or state official called for a national conversation about anything.

In most cases, here's what happened, and often happens: Cops who kill get a paid vacation, and the local district attorney, or state attorney determines that protocol was followed. The cop comes back with a tan and a mandate. A big ugly shrug is standard operating procedure.

Maybe Bloomberg is right; maybe America's cops should go on strike.


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Yeah, Bloomberg is right, cops should all just go on strike. Evidence seems to indicate that people would be safer if they did.

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#1. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

Cops first, lay down your cannons.

Brits are man enough to go without cannons, NYC cops are wussies.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-07-25   18:33:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Cynicom (#1)

Shouldn't Bloomberg's goons go on strike and give up their guns too? Fair is fair.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-07-25   18:34:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg told CNN's Piers Morgan last night that he doesn't "understand why police officers across this country don’t stand up collectively and say we’re going to go on strike, we’re not going to protect you unless you, the public, through your legislature, do what’s required to keep us safe."

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“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2012-07-25   18:55:18 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

America: Israel's Handmaiden

Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-25   19:00:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: X-15 (#3)

It would seem that Bloomberg believes that everyone (except for the cops and the criminal element that he is a member of) should all be locked up for the protection of the cops. Makes about as much sense as a football bat and a soup sandwich. Apparently the stupid ef doesn't know that Americans have the RIGHT to own firearms and not just for hunting ducks and rabbits.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-07-25   19:01:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: James Deffenbach (#2)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

America: Israel's Handmaiden

Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-25   19:01:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Eric Stratton (#6)

Apparently he is. Dumb sob comes out talking about what size soft drinks he thinks people should be "allowed" to have and now this ignant $#it.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-07-25   19:36:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

Maybe Bloomberg is right; maybe America's cops should go on strike.

All "taxpayers" should immediately go on strike. Quit financing these parasitic murderers.

The cops in America should be more concerned about the government efforts to instigate internal strife between citizens and cops by creating angst through a myriad of programs that deny liberty and the dignity most humans are entitled to.

While the government (through your tax dollars) finances the gangs on one side and the cops on the other - you become the target from both directions.

Just wait until the average American has had all they can take and start shooting back at the gangs and the cops !

In my 61 years I have "never" had a cop help me - I have had a number of occasions where they (usually 5 or 6 of them) beat the shit out of me because they didn't feel I "respected" them enough - they were right about that !

"In an unjust society, the only place for a just man is prison."

Thoreau

noone222  posted on  2012-07-26   5:01:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: noone222 (#8)

While the government (through your tax dollars) finances the gangs on one side and the cops on the other - you become the target from both directions.

I'm guessing that Lee Greenwood's "God Bless The USA" doesn't make you spring to your feet with a tear in your eye and your hand over your heart ;-)

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2012-07-26   5:20:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: X-15 (#9)

I'm guessing that Lee Greenwood's "God Bless The USA" doesn't make you spring to your feet with a tear in your eye and your hand over your heart ;-)

Lee Greenwood's song is a propaganda message. Actually the first time I ever noticed it was when they played it prior to the Super Bowl after 9-11. Hitler would have been proud to witness the tattered flags waving, the Eagle descending into the stadium and Lee Greenwoods delusional song playing throughout the Stadium and America.

On the other hand I still cling to the notion of freedom and liberty that was instilled in me as a youth. Today, I think that means I'm free to go to jail should I choose to tell Uncle Sambo to go fuck his self-serving murderous self.

"In an unjust society, the only place for a just man is prison."

Thoreau

noone222  posted on  2012-07-26   5:37:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Eric Stratton (#6)

Shouldn't Bloomberg's goons go on strike and give up their guns too? Fair is fair.

They're all swine, but Bloomberg's one of the biggest morons in politics.

Shouldn't Bloomberg give up all those ill gotten frn's from insider trading? The lousy jew!

ambi  posted on  2012-07-26   6:27:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

cops should all just go on strike

It'll never happen.

But in case I'm wrong, people should be prepared to liberate all the LEO armories they possibly can while the resistance is away.

After all, self regulated militias can certainly make better use of the weapons than would the cannon fodder of the new world order.

‘Gentlemen, if you’ve ever thought about it,
the quality of a man’s life is directly proportionate to
his commitment to excellence.’
~Vince Lombardi

Buzzard  posted on  2012-07-26   8:04:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: ambi (#11)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

America: Israel's Handmaiden

Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-26   8:39:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: ambi (#11)

Shouldn't Bloomberg give up all those ill gotten frn's from insider trading? The lousy jew!

You've gone too far.....you might as well ask The Good Mayor to give up breathing. ;-)

"If a thief steals ten gulden he must hang; if he robs people on the highway, his head is gone. But a Jew, when he steals ten tons of gold through his usury, is dearer than God himself!" -Martin Luther

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2012-07-26   10:58:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: noone222 (#8)

In my 61 years I have "never" had a cop help me - I have had a number of occasions where they (usually 5 or 6 of them) beat the shit out of me because they didn't feel I "respected" them enough - they were right about that !

I don't recall one of them ever "helping" me either unless they were doing me a favor for writing me tickets when I hadn't done anything to anyone.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-07-26   11:10:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: X-15 (#9)

I'm guessing that Lee Greenwood's "God Bless The USA" doesn't make you spring to your feet with a tear in your eye and your hand over your heart ;-)

Propagandistic pos--Greenwood probably meant it exactly the way it sounded (to him) but knowing what the government has done doesn't make me especially proud and think it is funny, in a sad kind of way, where he says "And I'm proud to be an American, where at least I know I'm free." Good Lord man, take off the blinders and open your eyes. He has lived his whole life in a deeper sleep than Rip Van Winkle, yet can still sing propaganda songs. Amazing.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-07-26   11:15:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Buzzard (#12)

But in case I'm wrong, people should be prepared to liberate all the LEO armories they possibly can while the resistance is away.

After all, self regulated militias can certainly make better use of the weapons than would the cannon fodder of the new world order.

Sounds like a good plan.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-07-26   11:16:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: James Deffenbach (#16)

I can't listen to it, now. If I hear him crying out that pathetic little ditty on TV I turn the channel. I don't watch TV for the most part these days, so I'm spared from having my dignity insulted and my eardrums assaulted.

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2012-07-26   11:19:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: James Deffenbach (#16)

Consider that many of us are indeed proud to be Americans.

That does not mean that we accept this corrupt government nor live by the immoral PC culture that has been imposed upon us.

There are Americans and then there are people that live in America. Big difference.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-07-26   11:45:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Cynicom (#19)

Consider that many of us are indeed proud to be Americans.

Proud to be an American, or what was once thought of as an American, then yeah, I would agree with that. But I am ashamed of the government.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-07-26   11:48:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg told CNN's Piers Morgan last night that he doesn't "understand why police officers across this country don’t stand up collectively and say we’re going to go on strike, we’re not going to protect you unless you, the public, through your legislature, do what’s required to keep us safe."

Bloomberg is an idiot. He does not know that the police have no duty to protect the individual citizen, only the "public at large".

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2012-07-26   17:36:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: noone222 (#8)

In my 61 years I have "never" had a cop help me - I have had a number of occasions where they (usually 5 or 6 of them) beat the shit out of me because they didn't feel I "respected" them enough - they were right about that !

more than likely you gave them more respect than what they were due.


If either Moromney or Mammyjammyobammy win the November (s)election peoples with common sense will pray that December 21 2012 will indeed be the end of the world!

IRTorqued  posted on  2012-07-26   18:02:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: BTP Holdings (#21)

Bloomberg is an idiot. He does not know that the police have no duty to protect the individual citizen, only the "public at large".

I would feel safe in betting everything we both had that that wouldn't cover the smallest fraction of what Bloomberg doesn't know.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-07-26   18:06:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: James Deffenbach (#16)

some people will do anything for filthy lucre.


If either Moromney or Mammyjammyobammy win the November (s)election peoples with common sense will pray that December 21 2012 will indeed be the end of the world!

IRTorqued  posted on  2012-07-26   18:45:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: IRTorqued (#24)

Yeah, even write songs full of lies (or misstatements).

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-07-26   18:53:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: BTP Holdings (#21)

He does not know that the police have no duty to protect the individual citizen,

He knows ...

"In an unjust society, the only place for a just man is prison."

Thoreau

noone222  posted on  2012-07-26   18:58:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: noone222 (#26)

Amen! he knows.

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them ~ Thomas Jefferson

Lod  posted on  2012-07-26   19:03:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

All this hooie about preventing genocide is actually about the Kenites ENABLING GENOCIDE. "Gun Control" is an HISTORICALLY PROVEN enabler of genocide and state innitiated mass murder in general.

None of this is any great secret to those with eyes to see and ears to hear. The Kenites are cursed of Yahaveh God because of their Satanic origins (one night stand between Eve and Satan leading to the conception of Cain, the Kenites' first flesh ancestor.) and cannot produce their own food by farming. Therefore they must parisitize other races and nations that can farm in order to survive. They do this in four ways known as the Four Hidden Dynasties or the Four Horns of the New World Order, The first is through the Debt / Usury monetary system (Dynasty of Finance and the Economy). The second is through the media and the state school systems (Dynasty of Education and Propaganda). The third is through false religious doctrines such as rapture monkeyism, eternal torture in hell, worship of statues of saints and mary etc, etc, ect (Dynasty of Religion) The fourth is through the State which they use to keep their parisitized races and nations in fear of them through genocides and democides (Dynasty of Politics). "Gun Control" is a major part of this last one.

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Coral Snake  posted on  2012-07-27   0:13:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Coral Snake (#28)

The third is through false religious doctrines such as rapture monkeyism, eternal torture in hell, worship of statues of saints and mary etc, etc, ect (Dynasty of Religion) The fourth is through the State which they use to keep their parisitized races and nations in fear of them through genocides and democides (Dynasty of Politics).

Looks to me like you are "mixing and mangling" a lot of different religious beliefs and while I might agree with you on some I certainly don't on all. But I don't argue about religion either and if you are convinced that whatever it is that you believe is correct I won't argue with you about it.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.    Lord Acton

The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken

"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..."  Lawrence M. Vance

Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)

James Deffenbach  posted on  2012-07-27   6:44:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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