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Title: Penn State Students Bear Brunt of NCAA Sanctions for Sandusky Cover-Up as Trustees Emerge Unscathed
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URL Source: http://www.democracynow.org/2012/7/ ... n_state_students_bear_brunt_of
Published: Jul 26, 2012
Author: Amy Goodman & Juan González
Post Date: 2012-07-26 19:48:43 by Jethro Tull
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Penn State Students Bear Brunt of NCAA Sanctions for Sandusky Cover-Up as Trustees Emerge Unscathed

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The governing body of U.S. college sports Monday announced a series of unprecedented sanctions against Penn State University following an independent investigation into the widespread cover-up of child sexual abuse by former assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky. The NCAA leveled penalties including a fine of $60 million, a reduction of student-athlete scholarships, and a vacating of all wins of the Penn State football team from 1998 to 2011. We’re joined by Dave Zirin, sports columnist for The Nation magazine and host of Edge of Sports Radio. Zirin says the sanctions will punish Penn State students while sparing top officials, including Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Corbett, who has drawn criticism for his handling of the Sandusky investigation while serving as the state’s attorney general and preparing for a gubernatorial run. "We’re attacking 18-year-old scholarship athletes and making them pay the price, when people in power have not really had to be affected or afflicted by the horrible crimes that took place in Happy Valley," Zirin says. "I do not trust the NCAA to be [the] adjudicating body, for the simple reason that their very existence ensures more cover-ups and more scandals in the future." [includes rush transcript]

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#39. To: Jethro Tull (#36)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   15:50:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Jethro Tull (#37)
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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   15:57:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Jethro Tull (#37)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   15:59:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: purplerose (#38)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   16:00:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Eric Stratton (#39)

And BTW, never have I said that I would enjoy it if local businesses up there went under or anything like that. To the contrary, I think that most will do just fine w/o PSU football interests,

Your opinions aren't based in economic reality. There is one road into SC and one road out. Much of the economy is based on 7-8 home games a year, and to suggest their losses will be minimal is as factual as the Freeh report. Think of this as a resort town, with Fall football being it’s Christmas season. If it’s diminished by x% it very well could be a deal buster for some and to think these sanctions won’t do just that is to be ignorant of our situation. But don’t take my word for it. This comes from the chamber of commerce, courtesy of the local news.

Perhaps the following will light a bulb. PSU is normally in an end of season bowl game. We are known to “travel well.” How big of an impact will the economic sanctions have on the various travel agents who book these trips? Easy answer, no? Will it put them out of business since it’s a 4-year ban? I’m betting at least some will go under.

BTW, when did you arrive at your decision to withhold your product from the rubes of State College? It sure wasn’t after the Sandusky matter became news worthy. Even after that you were eager to break into the area, so please, let's get real, OK?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-07-27   16:33:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Eric Stratton (#40)

Ball's in her court here.

Correction, the 4um is in her court and she more than capably supplied you with material that buttresses her contention, but again, talk to her directly rather than through me.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-07-27   16:39:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: purplerose (#38)

www.ps4rs.org/docs/press-release_07-26-12.pdf

You have Freeh 100% right, purplerose.

Take a look at this.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-07-27   16:56:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Jethro Tull, christine (#43)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   16:59:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Jethro Tull (#44)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   17:16:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Eric Stratton, Jethro Tull, christine (#47)

Well, I gave up TV years ago, gave up on "professional sports" afore that.

Eight foot black kids ruined competitive basketball, three hundred pound linemen ruined football, steroids and spics put the finish to baseball.

There aint no "sport" left for fans.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-07-27   17:28:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Jethro Tull, purplerose (#45)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   17:31:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Eric Stratton (#46)

Let's just say that the corollary to all of this is to ignore the core problem, namely a program that was simply too big to be of any moral good apart from having "Mother Teresa" as its chief administrator, and in an industry whereby it is pervasive.

The core of the problem is as old as Cain and Able. A crime was committed, covered up, and the conspirators are as yet unidentified. And worse, besides from us here in the PSU community and some with open minds, no one seems to give a siht. Not surprisingly, the dim-bulbs among us can't see this ruse for what it is. Raw political power paid a King’s ransom to commission a report from, whom we all know, is a liar and a stone cold killer (see WACO). This wasn't a football matter as no players were involved. Put a period on that and end the sentence. It does appear Paterno as HC was involved to a degree, but given his demise we’ll never know the degree. Besides, since when does the NCAA step into crimes committed by head coaches? Please don't ask me to Google the number of times the NCAA didn't step into these matters previously. As far as your contention that business (PSU football in this case) was too large for your liking, well, WhoTF are you to determine just how large business should be? If your private business took off tomorrow and reached seven figures overnight, you'd get a congratulations note from me and not an admonishment as to how much it should grow. In short, success in business shouldn't be punished if criminality creeps into it and is held, conspiratorially, among a core group. As I told you privately in PM a week ago, the problem in State College isn’t that the Freeh report will help correct the problems that are here, rather it’s that it wasn't an investigation, but rather a report, and it simply didn't go far enough for my taste.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-07-27   17:34:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Cynicom, christine, Jethro Tull (#48)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   17:44:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Jethro Tull, All (#50) (Edited)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   17:51:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Eric Stratton (#41)

Shit, Ithaca, NY, where Cornell is, is thriving, and they have no sports even worthy of note nor is the school nearly as big as PSU. It's not much smaller than East Shitsville.

Cornel is Ivy league, Penn State isn't. I live right next to Princeton and often me and wifey go for sunset walks in town. The students have lots of disposable scheckels. That matters a lot.

Also, business has not been built to meet a demand level that will no longer exist.

"The Best Way to Control the Opposition is to Lead it." Vladimir Lenin "I am not a Marxist." Karl Marx

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2012-07-27   18:20:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Jethro Tull (#50)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   18:22:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Dead Culture Watch (#53)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   18:26:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Eric Stratton (#55)

Then to my points, perhaps it's time that State College not have its entire livelihood depend upon a single sport at a single school.

Eric, the fucking airport here is capable of handle prop planes. Thanks for the economic growth tips but again, they're absurd.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-07-27   20:04:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Eric Stratton (#52)

Kids were pimped out, young boys, to adult men, for use as sexual play toys for their perverted (massively understated) wilings, against their will, TO RAISE MONEY FOR THE FOOTBALL PROGRAM!!!!!!!!! by a Penn State Football Coach, and later an emeritus w/ full blessings as such from the univerity, from the same people that deliberately "looked the other way" in order not to hinder their precious FOOTBALL program,

BULL SHIT!

Substantiate your claim that the cover-up was used to benefit the football program.

Could it be possible be that the cover-up it was used to benefit grant money?

Maybe to keep the influx of students coming to PSU?

Perhaps for endowments?

Maybe to cover up a larger pedophilia ring that rises up to the level of the Governor?

Have you considered the University physical property expansion that has occurred under Spanier’s watch, it’s been enormous?

Or might some people simply have pocketed the money thanks to faulty book keeping?

You have absolutely no proof that it was used to benefit the football program, and this conclusion of yours is shared with the Butcher of Waco, Louie Freeh.

Welcome to bad company my friend.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-07-27   20:46:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Eric Stratton (#55)

Eric, let me ask you a direct question.

Now that Penn State football has been reduced to Pop Warner league level, do you consider the pedophilia problem we face is over?

A simple yes or no answer is all I want given your verbosity.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-07-27   20:53:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Eric Stratton (#49) (Edited)

i don't know why you think i haven't answered your questions. i have made numerous comments and posted articles explaining why i believe that the students, athletes, families, local businesses, the university's entire staff otherwise have been harmed and the victim's, imo, of a statewide network of criminals.

you know JT and you know that he has two daughters who are PSU graduates as well as a son-in-law who is a Letterman. you admit that you didn't mean to include him a/o his family. well, if that's the case, then you must also admit that there are thousands and thousands of JTs in State College as well the entire state of PA who are affected by this and, yes, are victims too. to blame a whole community or to broadbrush to the degree you are is ridiculous, IMO.

and what about JT's 7 year old grandson who is a budding football talent? should they not encourage and support him because it's football? that's absurd.

your net of blame is cast far, far too wide, imo.

christine  posted on  2012-07-27   21:32:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Jethro Tull (#58)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   22:07:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Jethro Tull (#57)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   22:10:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Jethro Tull (#56)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   22:11:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Eric Stratton (#60)

This is Kevin Michael McKenna and he's my g'son.

He's 7-years old and he lives in State College.

He's 5'0", goes 100 pounds and he's the kid who looks like he knows what he's doing on the line.

Your definition of community included myself, my wife, Kevin, and his parents.

You couldn't have gotten things more wrong if you tried.

Shame on you.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-07-27   22:18:02 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: christine (#59)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   22:26:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Jethro Tull (#63)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   22:28:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Jethro Tull (#63)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   22:28:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Jethro Tull (#63)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   22:33:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Eric Stratton (#67)

You aren't the victim, we who did nothing are.

I hope u don't pull the plug.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-07-27   22:56:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Eric Stratton (#55)

Then to my points, perhaps it's time that State College not have its entire livelihood depend upon a single sport at a single school.

You do realize, that if there's an economy at State College by next summer, all of these insinuations are going to have sounded ridiculous, don't you?

Either way, I'm giving up trying to convince those of you that want to support PSU in this way to think otherwise.

Dude. You can say I insinuate anything you wish. All I said was you were comparing apples and oranges. You seem wound pretty tight, chill a little.....8)

"The Best Way to Control the Opposition is to Lead it." Vladimir Lenin "I am not a Marxist." Karl Marx

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2012-07-27   23:59:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Jethro Tull (#68)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-28   7:18:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Dead Culture Watch (#69) (Edited)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-28   7:20:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Eric Stratton (#70)

The victims are the boys that were abused and sold to adult men, likely scared out of their lives (among a gamut of other emotions), so that those pigs could engage in the most perverted sexual behaviors known to man w/o killing and death involved. Plain and simple.

I agree completely. My problem with the Freeh report is that it took the dumbed down sheeple down the wrong path, away from the elite and toward a football team which violated no NCAA sanctions. The team, the community, of which I and my family are part, are living this in real time. We know that the remaining criminals are still free to do as they please, so pardon my vested interest. I'm not going to rest until the entire saga is visible and all of the criminals are caged like the rats they are. Please feel free to join me in uncovering the ENTIRE crime. We do need help.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-07-28   10:12:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Jethro Tull (#72)

The team, the community, of which I and my family are part, are living this in real time. We know that the remaining criminals are still free to do as they please, so pardon my vested interest. I'm not going to rest until the entire saga is visible and all of the criminals are caged like the rats they are. Please feel free to join me in uncovering the ENTIRE crime. We do need help.

Wow, I havent really followed this story at all but it sounds pretty ugly. it does make sense that the criminals in charge of the investigation would derail it to the wrong path, to protect their cronies.

as with any institution, parents just need to watch their kids. i dont think its ever a good idea for parents to blindly trust their minors spending time unsupervised with some adult alone.- wheter it be a church, a club, a team, or whatever.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2012-07-28   10:28:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Artisan (#73)

It's a Governor Corbett, Louie Freeh whitewash, Artisan. The problem is the haters already have their minds set but despite that, we have to carry on and work toward exposing everyone involved.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-07-28   10:52:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Jethro Tull (#74)

how do you do that? given the fact, for example of the franklin coverup where they hired a conservative republican senator john decamp to investigate the banking scandal and when he found the pedo ring, they ignored his findings.

and another- when the news reported underage male hookers touring the bush reagan white house. barbara bush even responded to the washington times after the initial story broke. she said she didnt think it was a big deal. that was actually in the paper. i need to find the original version of that again.

then you have the jeff gannon deal, where bush was letting this fag hooker into the white house regularly., even tho he was using a fake name. it was dismissed and brushed aside.

and lastly, when cynthia mckinney questioned rumself on the child sex slaves traded by military contractors,. she grilled him but it was brushed aside and never addressed.

I'm not suggesting not to expose them or discouraging an attempt. It just seems that the pervert USA likes this sort of thing and it is never rooted out. , no matter the evidence and proof.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2012-07-28   11:17:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Jethro Tull, All (#72)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-28   12:10:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Jethro Tull (#74)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-28   12:11:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Jethro Tull (#45)

That pretty much sums it up from that report. Thanks, Jethro Tull.

purplerose  posted on  2012-07-28   22:03:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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