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Title: HENTOFF: Sweet land of liberty
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URL Source: http://www.timesherald.com/article/ ... nd-of-liberty&pager=full_story
Published: Jul 29, 2012
Author: Nat Hentoff
Post Date: 2012-07-29 13:16:47 by Ada
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Views: 66
Comments: 2

CAN FIRST AMENDMENT SURVIVE IMPERIOUS PRESIDENTS?

In my protests against George W. Bush’s and Barack Obama’s administrations’ eroding of our constitutional identities as free Americans, I try to avoid the term “police state.” Some of us do actively continue to exercise our ultimate First Amendment weapon against imperious administrations that refuse to be limited by the separation of powers. For example, Michael Opitz, who is running against Rep. Phil Gingrey in the July 31 Republican primary in Georgia’s 11th congressional district, has charged the incumbent with voting for the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA). Under the NDAA, Opitz told The Marietta Daily Journal, the president alone can decide who is a terrorist, allowing indefinite military detention of American citizens (“Opitz objects to Gingrey’s vote for Defense Authorization Act,” July 1). “And,” said Opitz, “this applies to American citizens, so you give up habeas corpus. And that’s a suspension of our individual rights.”

How many campaigns this year have made habeas corpus an issue? Or the president’s sole authority to assassinate an American citizen alleged to be associated with terrorism — as Obama has done? But opposition goes on. However, in joining other constitutionalists who encourage protestors to have more of a “street presence” against the Bush-Obama legacy, I have underestimated how presidents and aspirants to that office can create powerfully imposing obstacles to organized, visible displays of our First Amendment freedom of association to assemble and petition the government. John Whitehead, president of the Constitution-defending Rutherford Institute, foresees what to look for at this summer’s Republican and Democratic National Conventions in Tampa, Fla., and Charlotte, N.C., and what is already happening around the country: “Government agencies in conjunction with the militarized police are already preparing to head off any protests, refusing to issue permits, cordoning off city blocks, creating ‘free speech’ zones and passing a litany of laws banning everything from protestors wearing masks to carrying string. And the few protestors who manage to take to the streets will be faced with an array of non-lethal weapons meant to incapacitate them. “Originally designed to help restrain violent individuals, so-called ‘non-lethal’ weapons such as tasers, sound cannons and tear gas were first introduced with a government guarantee of safety for the citizens. However, the ‘non-lethal’ label seems to have caused police to feel justified in using these dangerous weapons much more often and with less restraint — with some even causing death.” What follows from Whitehead on taser use has a touch — not an equivalency, just a chilling touch — of Iran or Zimbabwe: “For instance, a 9-year-old Arizona run-away was tasered as she sat in the back seat of a police car with her hands cuffed behind her back. In Texas, a 72-year-old great-grandmother was tasered after refusing to sign a speeding ticket.” Meanwhile, continuous advances in crowd-menacing digital technology are, says Whitehead — a ceaseless, careful researcher in these fearful controls that George Orwell could not have possibly imagined — “providing police with ever-greater weapons of compliance. “For example, Intelligent Optics Systems, Inc. has developed a hand-held, flashlight-like device that uses light emitting diodes ‘to emit super-bright pulses of light at rapidly changing wavelengths, causing disorientation, nausea and even vomiting in whomever it’s pointed at.’ Raytheon has developed a ‘pain ray’ which shoots an electromagnetic beam composed of high frequency radio waves, causing a burning sensation on the target’s skin. “In December 2011, the (London) Telegraph reported that police in the U.K. were planning on testing a shoulder-mounted laser that can temporarily blind protestors and rioters” (“The New American Order: Using Weapons of Compliance to Stamp Out Protest,” rutherford.org, May 21). We don’t know which, if any, of these First Amendment traumatizers will be used at the Democratic and Republican National Conventions this year but, as Whitehead notes, they have been used -- or are in the planning stages -- against protesters around the nation. During the Vietnam War, when some of our forces were “destroying villages in order to save them,” I, with trepidation, joined two groups here that were committing civil disobedience in protest. Only old-time physical force was used against us then. I, managing not to look into the eyes of the cops, wasn’t among those hauled away. Now, at 87, with arthritis limiting my gait in one foot, I will only be attending the conventions on television, but more hardy octogenarians may be among those in the streets. And surely other protestors of all ages will be there as well. “So where does this leave us?” asks Whitehead. “Does the way protestors are treated in Chicago, Charlotte or Tampa really have any bearing on how law-abiding citizens are treated in small-town America? Of course it does. The militarization of the police, the use of sophisticated weaponry against Americans and the government’s increasing tendency to clamp down on dissent have colored our very understanding of freedom, justice and democracy.” However, as he knows, not all Americans have lost their understanding, but the America that our grandchildren and their own children will live in depends on how we vote, how we demonstrate in the streets and how urgently we get civics classes back in our schools. The First Amendment and I will have more about that in future columns. I defy any president and his or her minions to stop me. Nat Hentoff is a nationally renowned authority on the First Amendment and the Bill of Rights. He is a member of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, and the Cato Institute, where he is a senior fellow.

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The militarization of the police, the use of sophisticated weaponry against Americans and the government’s increasing tendency to clamp down on dissent have colored our very understanding of freedom, justice and democracy.” However, as he knows, not all Americans have lost their understanding, but the America that our grandchildren and their own children will live in depends on how we vote, how we demonstrate in the streets and how urgently we get civics classes back in our schools. The First Amendment and I will have more about that in future columns. I defy any president and his or her minions to stop me. Nat Hentoff is a nationally renowned authority on the First Amendment and the Bill of Rights. He is a member of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, and the Cato Institute, where he is a senior fellow.

good luck!!

The CONstitution, the God [ bible.cc/ezekiel/17-7.htm / http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/E...m/satan_on_our_dollar.htm ] that Failed to Liberate us from Big [Tyrannical] Government http://www.lewrockwell.com/buppert/buppert29.1.html

The Most Successful Fraud in American History by Gary North [the CONstitution]

http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north445.html

America Betrayed 1787

".... You must read and think diligently in a way that will challenge your innate prejudice. Not many are willing to accept that challenge. Too often they are blinded by an unexamined patriotism. Patriotism not tempered by the Word of God.

Such patriotism is idolatrous. It is like the patriotism of the Jews who cried, "the temple, the temple, the temple," when God was about to destroy the temple because of their disobedience (Jer. 7).

Patriotism is a powerful emotion that can sometimes overrule Biblical truth if we indulge it. It takes a conscious effort to detach and allow the Bible to judge when our feelings of devotion to country might be misplaced. ...."

http://www.america-betrayed-1787.com/

An Eschatology of Victory Requires the Nations Bow to the Lordship of Christ

.....The eschatology of victory described in previous sections gives us confidence that the nations themselves will one day submit to Christ and His law. This is indeed our only hope.

Until we acknowledge that we have broken our covenant with God, there is no hope for any kind of covenant renewal and restoration of covenant blessing. Instead we will more than likely continue to experience the curse of God in the form of disease, endless wars, economic hardship, natural calamities, and the like. (cf. Dt. 28). Only when we confess our sin can we expect to experience the mercy of God and the restoration of covenant blessing:

Then we have God’s promise: “If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land” (II Chr. 7:14). ....."

http://www.america-betrayed-1787.com/eschatology.html

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"....In violation of the War Powers Clauses of the Constitution, the President is colluding with, and pressuring, the United States Congress to pass legislation that would authorize the President to apply the armed forces of the United States of America in hostilities in Iraq without a congressional Declaration of War.

In hasty response to widespread fear and panic following 9/11, our elected representatives voted on the "U.S.A. Patriot Act" (with many having not read it), which by the plain language of the Act, deprives and seizes the unalienable rights of the People.

Our government has relinquished direct control of the monetary system of this nation to a privately owned central bank and has transformed our money into nothing but limitless debt. A portion of the Federal Reserve stock is held by foreign entities.

The U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) and the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) reneged on their July 2001 written agreement to appear at a public forum to answer the People�s Remonstrance and well documented legal charges directly asserting the lack of statutory or Constitutional authority for the federal income tax and the systemic abuses of our unalienable rights in the daily operations of the IRS.

Are these despotic acts of our government to be tolerated by the People?

Let us thank our forefathers for their vision, foresight and innate understanding of the nature of man, political power, and government corruption in recognizing the explicit right of the People to petition their government for redress..... [lol]

http://www.givemeliberty.org/FreedomDrive/Update10-8-02.htm

"...PETITION FOR REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES

RELATING TO THE "WAR ON TERRORISM"

WHEREAS, on November 8th, 2002, every member of United States Congress in the House of Representatives and Senate and the President were served with a Petition for Redress of Grievances regarding the Constitutional abuses arising from the USA Patriot Act and the "War on Terrorism", and

WHEREAS, such Petition for Redress was subsequently ignored, and

WHEREAS, During October, 2001, the U.S. Congress passed and the President signed the U.S.A. Patriot Act (Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism), and

WHEREAS, The U.S.A. Patriot Act was voted on by men and women engulfed in a terrifying atmosphere of shock, fear, mass media hysteria and anthrax mailings, and

WHEREAS, It has been acknowledged by some members of Congress that most congressmen were pressured to vote for, but never bothered to read the 324-page Act before voting on it, and

WHEREAS, on August 9, 2007, the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit erred, in relying on two inapposite decisions by the Supreme Court of the United States and holding that the Government does not have to listen or respond to Petitions for Redress of Grievances from the People, and

WHEREAS, on February 22, 2008, the Supreme Court of the United States committed treason to the Constitution by refusing to hear the First Amendment case, We The People v. United States (case No. 07-681), calling for a judicial declaration - for the first time in history - of the Rights of the People and the obligations of the Government under the “accountability clause” of the Constitution – that is, the last ten words of the First Amendment.

WHEREAS, all men are created equal and are endowed by their "Creator" with certain unalienable rights, and

WHEREAS, if the Creator has, in fact, gratuitously provided, equipped and enriched the People with Rights, it follows that those Rights belong to the People and to the Creator, and it follows that any affront to the Constitution (as when government violates an unalienable Right) is an affront to the Creator, and

WHEREAS, if our Rights come from the Creator, only the Creator can frustrate, deny or defeat those Rights -- that is, government cannot abridge what God alone has manifest and bestowed upon the People, and....."

".... 23. Do you admit that the USA Patriot Act and Justice Department rule changes since September 11 demonstrate a willingness on the part of the government to suspend the due process rights our Constitution guarantees, with no prior judicial approval and with no grounds other than "reasonable suspicion"?

24. Do you admit that the USA Patriot Act and Justice Department rule changes since September 11 demonstrate a willingness on the part of the government to eavesdrop on conversations between lawyers and their clients, including men, women and children who have never been charged with a crime?

25. Do you admit that the President’s November 11, 2001 executive order on military commissions for trying unlawful combatants is the equivalent of the Taliban’s secret Star Chambers?

26. Do you admit that the President’s November 11, 2001 executive order on military commissions could apply to any non-citizen or resident alien who may have a tenuous (alleged) link to acts of terrorism?

27. Do you admit that the President’s November 11, 2001 executive order on military commissions allows for secret proceedings?

28. Do you admit that the President’s November 11, 2001 executive order on military commissions authorizes a lower standard of proof requirement than military courts, with only a 2/3 verdict necessary for the death sentence?

29. Do you admit that under the President’s November 11, 2001 executive order on military commissions habeas corpus may not apply?

30. Do you admit that the President’s November 11, 2001 executive order on military commissions stands to undermine the stature of the United States as the leader of the free world in ensuring fair and just tribunals for trials?

31. Do you admit that under the President’s November 11, 2001 executive order, and the Defense Department’s implementation procedures, military commissions could apply to U.S. citizens and to those lawfully present in the United States?

32. Do you admit that under the President’s November 11, 2001 executive order on military commissions, and the Defense Department’s implementation procedures, detention could be set for an indefinite period of time?

33. Do you admit that under the President’s November 11, 2001 executive order on military commissions, and the Defense Department’s implementation procedures, habeas corpus rights could be suspended?

34. Do you admit that under the President’s November 11, 2001 executive order on military commissions, and the Defense Department’s implementation procedures, there would be a lack of an appeal to an independent appellate body with the right to certiorari review by the US Supreme Court?

35. Do you admit that under the U.S. Patriot Act, government may monitor religious and political institutions, without suspecting criminal activity, to assist terror investigations?

36. Do you admit that under the U.S. Patriot Act, government has closed once-public immigration hearings, has secretly detained hundreds of people without charges, and has encouraged bureaucrats to resist public records requests?

37. Do you admit that under the U.S. Patriot Act, government may prosecute librarians or keepers of any other records if they tell anyone that the government subpoenaed information related to a terror investigation?

38. Do you admit that under the U.S. Patriot Act, government may monitor federal prison jailhouse conversations between attorneys and clients, and deny lawyers to Americans accused of crimes?

39. Do you admit that under the U.S. Patriot Act, government may search and seize Americans’ papers and effects without probable cause to assist terror investigations?

40. Do you admit that under the U.S. Patriot Act, Government may jail Americans indefinitely without a trial?

41. Do you admit that under the U.S. Patriot Act, Americans may be jailed without being charged or being able to confront witnesses against them?

42. Do you admit that the Founders, in the 1774 Journals of the Continental Congress, expressly articulated the following?

“If money is wanted by Rulers who have in any manner oppressed the People, they may retain it until their grievances are redressed, and thus peaceably procure relief, without trusting to despised petitions or disturbing the public tranquility.”

1774, Journals of the Continental Congress,1:105-113 [emphasis added]

43. Do you admit that one of the most precious Rights the People enjoy is a government strictly limited by written Laws and that where Law is found to be wanting, no man can be Free?

Respectfully submitted this ______ day of ___________________ , 200___ by: ......."

http://www.givemeliberty.org/fre...edress/PetitionUSAPat.htm

..... to the LAWLESS ONES! bible.cc/2_thessalonians/2-8.htm

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I Kings 18:21And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word. bible.cc/1_kings/18-21.htm

Matthew 6:24 "No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.

Joshua 24:15 But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your forefathers served beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD."

2 Kings 17:41 Even while these people were worshiping the LORD, they were serving their idols. To this day their children and grandchildren continue to do as their fathers did.

Psalm 119:113 I hate double-minded men, but I love your law.

Hosea 10:2 Their heart is deceitful, and now they must bear their guilt. The LORD will demolish their altars and destroy their sacred stones.

bible.cc/1_kings/18-21.htm

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Ezekiel 20 >>

King James Version

1And it came to pass in the seventh year, in the fifth month, the tenth day of the month, that certain of the elders of Israel came to inquire of the LORD, and sat before me. 2Then came the word of the LORD unto me, saying, 3Son of man, speak unto the elders of Israel, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Are ye come to inquire of me? As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will not be inquired of by you. 4Wilt thou judge them, son of man, wilt thou judge them? cause them to know the abominations of their fathers: 5And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day when I chose Israel, and lifted up mine hand unto the seed of the house of Jacob, and made myself known unto them in the land of Egypt, when I lifted up mine hand unto them, saying, I am the LORD your God; 6In the day that I lifted up mine hand unto them, to bring them forth of the land of Egypt into a land that I had espied for them, flowing with milk and honey, which is the glory of all lands: 7Then said I unto them, Cast ye away every man the abominations of his eyes, and defile not yourselves with the idols of Egypt: I am the LORD your God. 8But they rebelled against me, and would not hearken unto me: they did not every man cast away the abominations of their eyes, neither did they forsake the idols of Egypt: then I said, I will pour out my fury upon them, to accomplish my anger against them in the midst of the land of Egypt. 9But I wrought for my name's sake, that it should not be polluted before the heathen, among whom they were, in whose sight I made myself known unto them, in bringing them forth out of the land of Egypt. 10Wherefore I caused them to go forth out of the land of Egypt, and brought them into the wilderness. 11And I gave them my statutes, and shewed them my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them. 12Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them. 13But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness: they walked not in my statutes, and they despised my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and my sabbaths they greatly polluted: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them in the wilderness, to consume them. 14But I wrought for my name's sake, that it should not be polluted before the heathen, in whose sight I brought them out. 15Yet also I lifted up my hand unto them in the wilderness, that I would not bring them into the land which I had given them, flowing with milk and honey, which is the glory of all lands; 16Because they despised my judgments, and walked not in my statutes, but polluted my sabbaths: for their heart went after their idols. 17Nevertheless mine eye spared them from destroying them, neither did I make an end of them in the wilderness.

18But I said unto their children in the wilderness, Walk ye not in the statutes of your fathers, neither observe their judgments, nor defile yourselves with their idols: 19I am the LORD your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them; 20And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God. 21Notwithstanding the children rebelled against me: they walked not in my statutes, neither kept my judgments to do them, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; they polluted my sabbaths: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them, to accomplish my anger against them in the wilderness. 22Nevertheless I withdrew mine hand, and wrought for my name's sake, that it should not be polluted in the sight of the heathen, in whose sight I brought them forth. 23I lifted up mine hand unto them also in the wilderness, that I would scatter them among the heathen, and disperse them through the countries; 24Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols. 25Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live; 26And I polluted them in their own gifts, in that they caused to pass through the fire all that openeth the womb, that I might make them desolate, to the end that they might know that I am the LORD.

27Therefore, son of man, speak unto the house of Israel, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Yet in this your fathers have blasphemed me, in that they have committed a trespass against me. 28For when I had brought them into the land, for the which I lifted up mine hand to give it to them, then they saw every high hill, and all the thick trees, and they offered there their sacrifices, and there they presented the provocation of their offering: there also they made their sweet savour, and poured out there their drink offerings. 29Then I said unto them, What is the high place whereunto ye go? And the name thereof is called Bamah [ bible.cc/ezekiel/20-29.htm ] unto this day. 30Wherefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Are ye polluted after the manner of your fathers? and commit ye whoredom after their abominations? 31For when ye offer your gifts, when ye make your sons to pass through the fire, ye pollute yourselves with all your idols, even unto this day: and shall I be inquired of by you, O house of Israel? As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will not be inquired of by you. 32And that which cometh into your mind shall not be at all, that ye say, We will be as the heathen, as the families of the countries, to serve wood and stone.

33As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you [Christians are Israel Now! http://www.preteristarchive.com/...provan-charles_dd_01.html ]: 34And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out. 35And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people [ http://www.wnd.com/2007/04/41327/ ], and there will I plead with you face to face. 36Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord GOD. 37And I will cause you to pass under the rod [ bible.cc/ezekiel/20-37.htm ], and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant [ bible.cc/matthew/26-28.htm / bible.cc/isaiah/60-14.htm ]: 38And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel [ bible.cc/ezekiel/34-13.htm / bible.cc/2_samuel/7-10.htm : http://www.preteristarchive.com/...provan-charles_dd_01.html ; http://www.wnd.com/2007/04/41327/ ]: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.

39As for you, O house of Israel, thus saith the Lord GOD; Go ye, serve ye every one his idols, and hereafter also, if ye will not hearken unto me: but pollute ye my holy name no more with your gifts, and with your idols. 40For in mine holy mountain, in the mountain of the height of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, there shall all the house of Israel, all of them in the land, serve me: there will I accept them, and there will I require your offerings, and the firstfruits of your oblations, with all your holy things. 41I will accept you with your sweet savour, when I bring you out from the people, and gather you out of the countries wherein ye have been scattered; and I will be sanctified in you before the heathen [ bible.cc/ezekiel/38-16.htm / bible.cc/ezekiel/38-23.htm / bible.cc/ezekiel/39-7.htm / bible.cc/ezekiel/39-21.htm / bible.cc/revelation/20-9.htm (( bible.cc/psalms/87-2.htm : bible.cc/psalms/2-6.htm : http://www.wnd.com/2007/04/41327/)) ]. 42And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall bring you into the land of Israel , into the country for the which I lifted up mine hand to give it to your fathers. 43And there shall ye remember your ways, and all your doings, wherein ye have been defiled; and ye shall lothe yourselves in your own sight for all your evils that ye have committed. 44And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have wrought with you for my name's sake, not according to your wicked ways, nor according to your corrupt doings, O ye house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD. ......" http://kingjbible.com/ezekiel/20.htm

2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? for you are the temple of the living God; as God has said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. bible.cc/2_corinthians/6-16.htm

2 Corinthians 6:17 Therefore come out from among them, and be you separate, says the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, bible.cc/2_corinthians/6-17.htm

18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. bible.cc/2_corinthians/6-18.htm

John 1:12 Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God--

Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. bible.cc/galatians/3-26.htm

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Odious Debt

Refuse to Pay Government Debt Incurred for Unlawful and Oppressive Purposes ... It Is the Personal Debt of Those Who Ordered It to Be Incurred

By Washington's Blog

February 12, 2010 " Washington's Blog" - - There is an established legal principle that people should not have to repay their government's debt to the extent that it is incurred to launch aggressive wars or to oppress the people.

These "odious debts" are considered to be the personal debts of the tyrants who incurred them, rather than the country's debt.

Wikipedia gives a good overview of the principle:

In international law, odious debt is a legal theory which holds that the national debt incurred by a regime for purposes that do not serve the best interests of the nation, such as wars of aggression, should not be enforceable. Such debts are thus considered by this doctrine to be personal debts of the regime that incurred them and not debts of the state. In some respects, the concept is analogous to the invalidity of contracts signed under coercion.

The doctrine was formalized in a 1927 treatise by Alexander Nahum Sack, a Russian émigré legal theorist, based upon 19th Century precedents including Mexico's repudiation of debts incurred by Emperor Maximilian's regime, and the denial by the United States of Cuban liability for debts incurred by the Spanish colonial regime. According to Sack:

When a despotic regime contracts a debt, not for the needs or in the interests of the state, but rather to strengthen itself, to suppress a popular insurrection, etc, this debt is odious for the people of the entire state. This debt does not bind the nation; it is a debt of the regime, a personal debt contracted by the ruler, and consequently it falls with the demise of the regime. The reason why these odious debts cannot attach to the territory of the state is that they do not fulfil one of the conditions determining the lawfulness of State debts, namely that State debts must be incurred, and the proceeds used, for the needs and in the interests of the State. Odious debts, contracted and utilised for purposes which, to the lenders' knowledge, are contrary to the needs and the interests of the nation, are not binding on the nation – when it succeeds in overthrowing the government that contracted them – unless the debt is within the limits of real advantages that these debts might have afforded. The lenders have committed a hostile act against the people, they cannot expect a nation which has freed itself of a despotic regime to assume these odious debts, which are the personal debts of the ruler......... www.informationclearinghouse.info/article24662.htm

Isaiah 52: 3 For thus says the LORD, You have sold yourselves for nothing [Structure of the Birth Certificate...Did the State Pledge Your Body to a Bank? http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/E...am/birth_certificates.htm / http://www.apfn.net/doc-100_bankruptcy.htm / **** below]; and you shall be redeemed without money. bible.cc/isaiah/52-3.htm

**** The Bankruptcy of the United States

"....Prior to 1913, most Americans owned clear, allodial title to property, free and clear of any liens or mortgages until the Federal Reserve Act (1913) "Hypothecated" all property within the federal United States to the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve, -in which the Trustees (stockholders) held legal title. The U.S. citizen (tenant, franchisee) was registered as a "beneficiary" of the trust via his/her birth certificate. In 1933, the federal United States hypothecated all of the present and future properties, assets and labor of their "subjects," the 14th Amendment U.S. citizen, to the Federal Reserve System.

In return, the Federal Reserve System agreed to extend the federal United States corporation all the credit "money substitute" it needed. Like any other debtor, the federal United States government had to assign collateral and security to their creditors as a condition of the loan. Since the federal United States didn't have any assets, they assigned the private property of their "economic slaves", the U.S. citizens as collateral against the un-payable federal debt. They also pledged the unincorporated federal territories, national parks forests, birth certificates, and nonprofit organizations, as collateral against the federal debt. All has already been transferred as payment to the international bankers......" http://www.apfn.net/doc-100_bankruptcy.htm

Was HJR-192 Repealed ?©

An Analysis of the Facts, by: Kevin, of the family: Hines

".....the Federal Government has placed insufficient amounts of lawful money in general circulation, i.e., gold and silver coinage, thus, forcing me to "discharge" my debts with commercial paper, i.e., putting them off to a future point in time, and restricting my obligation as a sovereign to "pay" a debt.

I refer to the Federal Government's obligation to me as: "Chap. 48, 48 Stat. 112", not "HJR-192". The Federal Government took away my ability to pay a debt with lawful money, but that doesn't make me a subject of Congress or of the Federal Government, and thus, their resolution does not apply to me. However, their obligation to me under their Public Law does apply to me because there is insufficient lawful money in general circulation to meet the needs of the people, which includes me.

When the Federal Government took much of our lawful money out of general circulation in 1933, i.e., gold coins, thus leaving an insufficient amount of lawful money in general circulation to meet the needs of the people, i.e., only silver coins remaining, the Congress was required to give the people a remedy. Public Law: "Chap. 48, 48 Stat. 112" is that remedy. It states that the Federal Government will pay my debts, dollar for dollar. Note: It doesn't say that the government will pay for anything I desire to buy (like a car), only that it will pay my legitimate debts.

Most, if not all, of the State Constitutions require the State to pay its debts in gold and silver coin. By taking away a State Government's ability to comply with it's Constitutional mandate of paying its debts in gold and silver coin, the Federal Government involuntarily restricted a State Government's ability to function in a de jure capacity. The de jure States went into suspension after the following four acts were committed: (1) the taking of gold coins out of general circulation in 1933, (2) in 1964, the U. S. Mint ceased minting any more silver coins, (3) in 1968, Silver Certificates could no longer be redeemed for silver, and (4) on August 15, 1971, President Nixon closed the Gold Window, thus stopping the redemption of foreign-held dollars for gold. At that point in time, the U. S. Dollar was backed solely by the full faith and credit of the American people, and the States could no longer function in a de jure capacity while in a state of suspension.

The States went into suspension because the Federal Government involuntarily forced the State to pay its officers, judges, employees, etc. with something other than gold and silver coin, which was required by the State Constitution. This "something other than gold and silver coin" was nothing more than "fiat" money, or script, back by nothing but the labor of the people. Thus, Constitutionally, the States could no longer function in a de jure capacity because it no longer had the ability to pay its debts in the form mandated by its Constitution, i.e., contract with the people.

Since the Federal Government took away the gold coin money in 1933, thus causing the States to suspend operations by preventing them from honoring their obligation to pay their debts in gold and silver coin, then there had to be a remedy. "Chap 48, 48 Stat. 112" is the remedy, not just for the States, but also for the sovereign men and women who created the States. Until gold and silver coinage is reinstated in sufficient quantities for general circulation, that remedy cannot be repealed. Congress may have repealed some parts of "HJR-192", or even all of it, because "HJR-192" is merely a resolution for Congress and its subjects. However, the true remedy is provided to the people by Public Law: "Chap 48, 48 Stat. 112".

Until the State Governments come out of suspension, by the Federal Government's placing sufficient quantities of lawful money into general circulation, your remedy, pursuant to "Chap 48, 48 Stat. 112" cannot be repealed and will continue to be there. The remedy of the subjects/citizens found at "HJR-192" might not be there because their remedy is nothing but a resolution, but the remedy of the sovereign found at Public Law: "Chap 48, 48 Stat. 112" will still be there because a sovereign's remedy is Public Law.

If, as many uninformed sovereigns claim, the promise that the Federal Government will pay your debts, dollar for dollar, is no longer valid, then these sovereigns have no basis for claiming their remedy by using the 1099-OID process for the refund of out-of pocket funds expended to pay their debts. Either (1) you believe that the Federal Government repealed your remedy, and therefore, there is no 1099-OID refund process available to you, or (2) you believe the Government has an obligation to pay your debts, dollar for dollar, and therefore, the 1099-OID process for a refund is your remedy and you can use it to recover the funds you expended to take care of your debt obligations. You can't believe your remedy has been repealed, and then try to claim your remedy by asking for a refund using the 1099-OID process......"

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Take back their ill-gotten gain and consecrate it in a Trust for the LORD.

bible.cc/micah/4-13.htm

Revelation 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life [ bible.cc/john/14-6.htm ], which bare twelve manner of fruits [ bible.cc/revelation/21-14.htm / bible.cc/john/15-16.htm ], and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

bible.cc/revelation/22-2.htm

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2012-08-05   8:53:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#1) (Edited)

HENTOFF: Sweet land of liberty

glad to see it posted under DEAD CONstitution.

Galatians 5:1 It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery.

John 8:36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.

bible.cc/galatians/5-1.htm

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2012-08-05   8:58:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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