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Title: James Holmes was a Lunatic, not Brainwashed
Source: Unclebob's Treehouse
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Published: Jul 30, 2012
Author: Bob Wallace
Post Date: 2012-07-30 12:00:00 by Turtle
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Views: 8249
Comments: 106

Whenever something bad happens the Conspiracist Crackpots immediately come out of the woodwork and start hallucinating. Holmes was brainwashed. He had a chip in his head. It was a false flag operation.

It’s all bullshit. Brainwashing doesn’t exist, contrary to those with the vapors.

The retired psychiatrist James Gilligan spend 35 years dealing with thousands of murderers, trying to find out what they did what they did. Every time what he heard was, “He dissed me [my wife, girlfriend, parents, friends, children] so I killed him.”

One day he realized what he was hearing was the story of Cain and Abel – a story thousands of years old that explained why people murdered other people. Cain murdered Abel because he was rejected, humiliated, insulted, shamed. He blamed it on his brother and murdered him.

Murder is about the desire for revenge, to replace shame with pride.

Holmes was a complete loser with women. He was consistently rejected by them. I doubt he had even kissed a woman, just like the Korean shooter in Virginia who murdered some 30 people.

Holmes had been on a sex site trying to find women, and was rejected by every one of them.

Additionally, he was mentally ill, apparently from schizophrenia. On TV I saw his eyes wandering. That’s a side effect of psychiatric drugs (I don’t call it medication) and one of the main side effects of these drugs is increases in murder/suicide.

I doubt Holmes even remembers what he did.

A schizophrenia on murder/suicide “medication,” a loner/loser rejected by women, who was just kicked out of school…he was sending out red flags all over the place.

The Conspiracist Crackpots, because they are deluded, can’t see the truth in front of their eyes. Unfortunately, they’ll never change their minds. Believing is non-existent conspiracies is just too much fun.

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#12. To: Turtle (#0)

If "they" hadn't tried it on me, I too would still be a non believer.

Who exactly is "they?," I'll probably never know.

sizzlerguy  posted on  2012-07-30   19:12:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: FormerLurker (#2)

Now I understand your reasons for using the handle "turtle".

Should be - TURD - L

"In an unjust society, the only place for a just man is prison."

Thoreau

noone222  posted on  2012-07-30   19:34:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Shoonra (#11)

Assuming Holmes is the shooter, which seems likely, it's hard to imagine any conspiracy making use of him. He is so mentally disordered that he would not be reliable in carrying out the mission of a conspiracy.

A lot of people cannot figure out the simplest things, as you did.

I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.

Turtle  posted on  2012-07-30   19:55:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Turtle, Shoonra, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#14)

I'm sure there are drugs which can cause schizophrenic delusions, based upon LSD, scopolimine, mescaline, etc., or some powerful new drug which just happened to be laying around at the neuroscience center where Holmes did his research.

Somebody may have been coaching him, exploiting his fondness of the "Joker" character, if he ever really WAS that fond of the character. He may have been told it was all just a prank, and he may have just been told to wait in the car while the "coach's friends" did the deed.

In a seriously drugged up schizophrenic state, he may have actually believed it, till he realized it wasn't a joke.

The multiple shooter reports, along with the maze of boobytraps he had no expertise in, along with his hit/miss ratio, indicate he didn't act alone.

There are certainly a lot of unanswered questions in this case.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-07-30   23:04:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Turtle, All (#0)

An eye witness in the theater at the time of the shooting says that the shooter was 5'8" or 5'9". Holmes is tall @ 6'3". Authorities have not yet verified where Holmes got to practice with a gun. He applied for membership at a private gun club but did not follow thru. Holmes' high school and college friends clai he had no interest in shooter games - rather he liked to play Guitar Man. U of Colorado Anschutz Medical Campus in Aurora was a former Army base. Holmes' shrink is a former Army physician. Project MK Ultra was a collaborative effort between the CIA and the Army. Holmes' (adoptive) dad worked for a defense contractor before holding his current position at FICA. Holmes appears to have had a psychotic break down or is experiencing an adult onset of schizophrenia - but was he helped along? Too many loose ends and odd coincidences for my liking. Just putting it out there for your consideration. I am not known to be a conspiracy fan.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=54mXdhgwqMI

"Witness to Dark Knight Shooting Says There Was an Accomplice"

scrapper2  posted on  2012-07-31   2:15:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: wakeup (#1)

except that very rare reader, like yourself, that already knows instinctively that conspiracies do not exist.

IF conspiracies do not exist in your world what is it called then?

Attempted conspiracy?

VILE ASSHOLES EXIST! THEY ATTEMPT TO COVER UP THEIR ASSHOLERY! THAT IS THE BASE DEFINITION OF CONSPIRACY!

To commit a crime without being caught or punished.

All of our modern day politicians.

Rare, my fucking ass. You are not allowed to be dumb! I forbid it!

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-07-31   3:02:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Turtle (#14)

To: Shoonra

Assuming Holmes is the shooter, which seems likely, it's hard to imagine any conspiracy making use of him. He is so mentally disordered that he would not be reliable in carrying out the mission of a conspiracy.

A lot of people cannot figure out the simplest things, as you did.

Turtle...

You just gave ...

wtf man

wtf

holy shit

others might over look this. I wont. holy shit....

fuck shoonra

hard to imagine....

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TURTLE DID YOU JUST BECOPME A VIOCTYOME OF THE CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!

Fyucking say it aint so but I'll have troubel ever Pming ya//// AAARRRGGGGG you think what the fuck?!

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-07-31   3:09:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: titorite, Turtle, Shoonra (#18)

Assuming Holmes is the shooter, which seems likely...

A lot of people cannot figure out the simplest things, as you did.

What a couple of dumbasses.


"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz  posted on  2012-07-31   3:45:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: titorite (#17) (Edited)

except that very rare reader, like yourself, that already knows instinctively that conspiracies do not exist.

Sarcasm.

Of course conspiracies exist.

Have you ever been to our Project site?

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wakeup  posted on  2012-07-31   11:26:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: wakeup (#20)

Of course conspiracies exist.

Yes, they do exist.

There are conspiracies in the government and media to pretend that blacks do not rape/sexually assault 37,000 white women a year, and that they aren't responsible for all gang rapes,and that only whites are racist...do I have to go on with the real conspiracies?

Then there are the non-existent conspiracies....James Holmes was a zombie robot...remote-controlled airplanes and explosives in the WTC....three shooters on Kennedy...moon landings on a stage....all fantasies.

I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.

Turtle  posted on  2012-07-31   11:33:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: scrapper2 (#16)

hi scrap!

this thing so stinks to high heaven. Holmes did not do this alone. i'm convinced of it.

christine  posted on  2012-07-31   11:43:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Turtle (#21)

and explosives in the WTC....three shooters on Kennedy.

you're so full of it on those. how you can deny the evidence right before your eyes is unbelievable to me. WTC buildings pulverized and falling at nearly free fall speed and then building 7 never having been hit by a plane and falling at free fall speed.

often wrong, but never in doubt. ;)

christine  posted on  2012-07-31   11:47:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Lysander_Spooner (#9)

uh huh.

christine  posted on  2012-07-31   11:50:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Turtle (#0)

because they are deluded,

and THE all knowing Bob Wallace has proclaimed it thus!!

christine  posted on  2012-07-31   11:58:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: wudidiz (#19)

What a couple of dumbasses.

agreed.

christine  posted on  2012-07-31   11:59:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: scrapper2 (#16)

As he walked up the aisle shooting, as per the official script, I find it absurd that not one person interrupted him once he was past them.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-07-31   12:00:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: christine (#23)

you're so full of it

I'm full of brains. And cuteness!

I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.

Turtle  posted on  2012-07-31   12:04:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Jethro Tull, 4 (#27)

Why are there no videos of the shooting?

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them ~ Thomas Jefferson

Lod  posted on  2012-07-31   12:08:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Turtle (#0)

spoilsport.

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Whenever there's resistance, examine your motivation. Whenever there's flow, consider taking action.

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-07-31   12:13:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: PSUSA2 (#30)

spoilsport.

I know.

I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.

Turtle  posted on  2012-07-31   12:19:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Turtle (#31)

You also knew it was only a (very short) matter of time before the conspiracy freaks came out of the woodwork. One doesn't need to be a genius to predict that. Hell, I knew that.

It's fukushima all over again.

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Whenever there's resistance, examine your motivation. Whenever there's flow, consider taking action.

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-07-31   12:22:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: PSUSA2 (#32)

You also knew it was only a (very short) matter of time before the conspiracy freaks came out of the woodwork.

What I find bizarre is that as soon as some people found out about the shooting, they immediately sat down at their computers and starting writing about how it was a conspiracy. I'll bet within ten minutes they were writing articles. Proof? Who need proof? Everything is a conspiracy! Everyone knows that!

I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.

Turtle  posted on  2012-07-31   12:28:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: titorite, wakeup (#17)

except that very rare reader, like yourself, that already knows instinctively that conspiracies do not exist.

lol....got sarcasm?

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-07-31   12:38:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: PSUSA2, Turtle, Shoonra (#32) (Edited)

Some people use critical thinking skills and never accept a story fraught with conflicting data just because that's what the government told them.

And then there are some people who just swallow whatever simple answer they can snatch out of the air, because it's simple and doesn't show the government to be evil and totally corrupt.

Hell, the investigation is still in progress, they haven't even closed the book on this one yet. Yet folks like you are sugar coating this as a "lone gunman" scenario, because you are either unwilling or unable to think this through in your minds, or because you've been programmed to accept the "simple answer", even though there really isn't one when all known facts are considered.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-07-31   13:41:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: FormerLurker (#35)

accept the "simple answer"

Amusingly, not one person has commented on Gilligan's rediscovering what causes murder..which was also discovered by Aristotle, Aquinas, St. Augustine, and many other thoughtful people.

It's easier for the robots to pretend everything is a conspiracy.

Not only is the Bible totally correct about the cause of murder, this is what Isiah 8:12 says about the belief in non-existent conspiracies: "You are not to say, 'It is a conspiracy!' In regard to all that this people call a conspiracy, And you are not to fear what they fear or be in dread of it."

I fear no conspiracy because they don't exist. There are enough problems in this world with hallucinating them.

I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.

Turtle  posted on  2012-07-31   13:54:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: PSUSA2 (#32)

You also knew it was only a (very short) matter of time before the conspiracy freaks came out of the woodwork.

It's a bit ironic that you feel that way, being that you see huge conspiracies in the matter of religion. You rebelled from a strict Christian upbringing by jumping to the polar opposite of Christianity, Satanism.

You see nothing wrong with "satanism", and refuse to contemplate that there IS horrible and murderous evil in the world, and that evil is very possibly caused by a cognant force controlling or at minimum influencing humankind.

It is THAT sort of evil which leads to this sort of event. There ARE those who utilize that evil as a means to an ends, which typically results in them them having more power, and/or receiving vast treasures.

MKULTRA did not exist simply to provide spies that could be given secret messages which could not be extracted under torture. It existed to create mind- controlled assassins and soldiers, and to find ways to mass control populations by covert means.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-07-31   13:55:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Turtle (#36)

I fear no conspiracy because they don't exist.

If that's true, then why are there laws against it, and why are people in prison for it?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-07-31   13:56:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Turtle (#36)

How did the American Colonists plan to revolt against the King, if they did not speak of it first?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-07-31   14:00:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Turtle (#36)

Do you even know what a conspiracy IS? It's simply a crime committed by two or more people, plotted ahead of time. So NOTHING illegal is plotted ahead of time by more than one person, right Turtle?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-07-31   14:03:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Turtle (#33)

What I find bizarre is that as soon as some people found out about the shooting, they immediately sat down at their computers and starting writing about how it was a conspiracy.

That is because people are getting smarter. You should join them.

Turn off that radio next to your computer and start educating yourself for real.

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!

titorite  posted on  2012-07-31   14:08:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: FormerLurker (#40)

So NOTHING illegal is plotted ahead of time by more than one person, right Turtle?

There are conspiracies, i.e., the media pretending that blacks don't rape/sexually assault 37,000 white women a year.

There are no conspiracies involving remote-controlled airplanes and explosives in towers.

There is a difference between what is and what isn't.

I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.

Turtle  posted on  2012-07-31   14:18:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Turtle (#42) (Edited)

There are no conspiracies involving remote-controlled airplanes and explosives in towers.

The government DOES have remote controlled planes and has tested them extensively, they're called drones and are used extensively.

As far as the towers, thousands of architects and engineers say those towers, AND Building 7, could NOT have come down WITHOUT explosives. I believe them and my own understanding of physics over your emotional "feelings" that it can't be true.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-07-31   14:26:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: abraxas (#34)

lol....got sarcasm?

that made me lol

christine  posted on  2012-07-31   14:26:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Turtle (#42)

There is a difference between what is and what isn't.

Apparently you have problems processing what IS. Your concept of what ISN'T is a bit faulty as well.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-07-31   14:27:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Turtle (#42)

Oh, and you apparently can't seem to understand there is a room in between the two extremes known as it COULD be, MIGHT be, or we just don't know.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-07-31   14:29:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: PSUSA2 (#32)

oh, god. please don't tell me you believe, like Bob does, the government's 9/11 impossible tale, bin laden's killing tale, and the Warren Commission's report on the Kennedy assassination.

christine  posted on  2012-07-31   14:30:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: FormerLurker (#45)

Apparently you have problems processing what IS. Your concept of what ISN'T is a bit faulty as well.

I will give you 10,000 years to prove there were remote-controlled airplanes and explosives in the WTC.

Good luck. You'll need it.

I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.

Turtle  posted on  2012-07-31   14:36:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Turtle (#42)

"You are not to say, 'It is a conspiracy!'

I fear no conspiracy because they don't exist.

There are conspiracies

In looking over your posts, do you see a bit of a problem here?

Feeling a bit confused today Turtle?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-07-31   14:37:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Turtle (#48)

I will give you 10,000 years to prove there were remote-controlled airplanes and explosives in the WTC

If the "hijackers" are still alive, how did they "fly" those planes?

As far as explosives, can you not understand that an object does not drop at free fall speed if there is resistance to that "fall"?

There, it took me 10 seconds.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-07-31   14:39:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: FormerLurker (#49)

In looking over your posts, do you see a bit of a problem here?

Only nuts believe there was a conspiracy to sink the Titanic, or there were three shooters on Kennedy, or his driver finished him off, or the moon landings were shot on stage, or there were remote-controlled airplanes and explosives in the WTC. That's what I mean by "there are no conspiracies."

Affirmative Action is a conspiracy. It means "White Men Need Not Apply."

I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.

Turtle  posted on  2012-07-31   14:40:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: FormerLurker (#50)

If the "hijackers" are still alive

Cloud Cuckoo land.

I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.

Turtle  posted on  2012-07-31   14:42:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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