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Title: James Holmes was a Lunatic, not Brainwashed
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Published: Jul 30, 2012
Author: Bob Wallace
Post Date: 2012-07-30 12:00:00 by Turtle
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Whenever something bad happens the Conspiracist Crackpots immediately come out of the woodwork and start hallucinating. Holmes was brainwashed. He had a chip in his head. It was a false flag operation. It’s all bullshit. Brainwashing doesn’t exist, contrary to those with the vapors. The retired psychiatrist James Gilligan spend 35 years dealing with thousands of murderers, trying to find out what they did what they did. Every time what he heard was, “He dissed me [my wife, girlfriend, parents, friends, children] so I killed him.” One day he realized what he was hearing was the story of Cain and Abel – a story thousands of years old that explained why people murdered other people. Cain murdered Abel because he was rejected, humiliated, insulted, shamed. He blamed it on his brother and murdered him. Murder is about the desire for revenge, to replace shame with pride. Holmes was a complete loser with women. He was consistently rejected by them. I doubt he had even kissed a woman, just like the Korean shooter in Virginia who murdered some 30 people. Holmes had been on a sex site trying to find women, and was rejected by every one of them. Additionally, he was mentally ill, apparently from schizophrenia. On TV I saw his eyes wandering. That’s a side effect of psychiatric drugs (I don’t call it medication) and one of the main side effects of these drugs is increases in murder/suicide. I doubt Holmes even remembers what he did. A schizophrenia on murder/suicide “medication,” a loner/loser rejected by women, who was just kicked out of school…he was sending out red flags all over the place. The Conspiracist Crackpots, because they are deluded, can’t see the truth in front of their eyes. Unfortunately, they’ll never change their minds. Believing is non-existent conspiracies is just too much fun.
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#33. To: PSUSA2 (#32)
What I find bizarre is that as soon as some people found out about the shooting, they immediately sat down at their computers and starting writing about how it was a conspiracy. I'll bet within ten minutes they were writing articles. Proof? Who need proof? Everything is a conspiracy! Everyone knows that! I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
lol....got sarcasm? " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Some people use critical thinking skills and never accept a story fraught with conflicting data just because that's what the government told them. And then there are some people who just swallow whatever simple answer they can snatch out of the air, because it's simple and doesn't show the government to be evil and totally corrupt. Hell, the investigation is still in progress, they haven't even closed the book on this one yet. Yet folks like you are sugar coating this as a "lone gunman" scenario, because you are either unwilling or unable to think this through in your minds, or because you've been programmed to accept the "simple answer", even though there really isn't one when all known facts are considered. Amusingly, not one person has commented on Gilligan's rediscovering what causes murder..which was also discovered by Aristotle, Aquinas, St. Augustine, and many other thoughtful people. It's easier for the robots to pretend everything is a conspiracy. Not only is the Bible totally correct about the cause of murder, this is what Isiah 8:12 says about the belief in non-existent conspiracies: "You are not to say, 'It is a conspiracy!' In regard to all that this people call a conspiracy, And you are not to fear what they fear or be in dread of it." I fear no conspiracy because they don't exist. There are enough problems in this world with hallucinating them. I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
It's a bit ironic that you feel that way, being that you see huge conspiracies in the matter of religion. You rebelled from a strict Christian upbringing by jumping to the polar opposite of Christianity, Satanism. You see nothing wrong with "satanism", and refuse to contemplate that there IS horrible and murderous evil in the world, and that evil is very possibly caused by a cognant force controlling or at minimum influencing humankind. It is THAT sort of evil which leads to this sort of event. There ARE those who utilize that evil as a means to an ends, which typically results in them them having more power, and/or receiving vast treasures. MKULTRA did not exist simply to provide spies that could be given secret messages which could not be extracted under torture. It existed to create mind- controlled assassins and soldiers, and to find ways to mass control populations by covert means. If that's true, then why are there laws against it, and why are people in prison for it? How did the American Colonists plan to revolt against the King, if they did not speak of it first?
Do you even know what a conspiracy IS? It's simply a crime committed by two or more people, plotted ahead of time. So NOTHING illegal is plotted ahead of time by more than one person, right Turtle?
That is because people are getting smarter. You should join them. Turn off that radio next to your computer and start educating yourself for real. ____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
There are conspiracies, i.e., the media pretending that blacks don't rape/sexually assault 37,000 white women a year. There are no conspiracies involving remote-controlled airplanes and explosives in towers. There is a difference between what is and what isn't. I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
The government DOES have remote controlled planes and has tested them extensively, they're called drones and are used extensively. As far as the towers, thousands of architects and engineers say those towers, AND Building 7, could NOT have come down WITHOUT explosives. I believe them and my own understanding of physics over your emotional "feelings" that it can't be true. that made me lol
Apparently you have problems processing what IS. Your concept of what ISN'T is a bit faulty as well. Oh, and you apparently can't seem to understand there is a room in between the two extremes known as it COULD be, MIGHT be, or we just don't know.
oh, god. please don't tell me you believe, like Bob does, the government's 9/11 impossible tale, bin laden's killing tale, and the Warren Commission's report on the Kennedy assassination.
I will give you 10,000 years to prove there were remote-controlled airplanes and explosives in the WTC. Good luck. You'll need it. I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
I fear no conspiracy because they don't exist. There are conspiracies In looking over your posts, do you see a bit of a problem here? Feeling a bit confused today Turtle? If the "hijackers" are still alive, how did they "fly" those planes? As far as explosives, can you not understand that an object does not drop at free fall speed if there is resistance to that "fall"? There, it took me 10 seconds. Only nuts believe there was a conspiracy to sink the Titanic, or there were three shooters on Kennedy, or his driver finished him off, or the moon landings were shot on stage, or there were remote-controlled airplanes and explosives in the WTC. That's what I mean by "there are no conspiracies." Affirmative Action is a conspiracy. It means "White Men Need Not Apply." I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
Cloud Cuckoo land. I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
Look, Bob knows that it's all true; Turtle, on the other hand, just tosses stuff out here for chumming-effect to see who rises to the bait.
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them ~ Thomas Jefferson
You said conspiracies don't exist, and that it is a sin to say they do. Then you say there ARE some, but only ones that you can personally figure out. Yet you don't see a problem with that thought flow. I never said it was a conspiracy to sink the Titanic, nor did I say I believe the moon landings were faked, but they COULD have been since you bring it up. That's the thing about folks who rant and rave that such things JUST CAN'T BE, you put words in the mouths of others which they never said, yet act so self- righteous and holy with your biblical quotes. Isn't there a commandment against bearing false witness? Cloud Cuckoo land. So when are you going to dye your hair red Turtle? Shut up and quit exposing me!!! I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
Just don't start gnashing, it could disturb Mr.Pug. I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them ~ Thomas Jefferson
Yes there is, and Turtle remember that lyin' a mortal sin. You will roast in your shell forever and ever and it won't never stop hurting. Repent now. I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them ~ Thomas Jefferson
It has nothing to do with the topics you list. It's about Holmes. And what I believe only is important to me. But, I'll admit that I Dont Know about the topics you list. I wasn't there. And it is not enough to say the .gov story is bullshit. There have been all kinds of wacky conspiracy theories about 9/11, from UFOs to holographic projections to know knows what. Those "explanations" are just as f'd up as the .gov story. Remember corexit and how we were all doomed Doomed DOOMED!!! Remember fukushima and how we should at least be bald by now, if not dead? Remember who it was that posted most of those articles here? Hint: It wasn't me. But I seemed to have aggravated the hell out of the poster by not going along with his program. If people can generate a panic, thereby making them selves into Internet Big Shots in the process, then they'll do exactly that. ------------------------------------------ Whenever there's resistance, examine your motivation. Whenever there's flow, consider taking action.
It's not a "polar opposite". That is what is known as "inverted christianity". That's not satanism. That's being an ankle biting little punk. I'll do a little spoonfeeding here. Here is a short definition of what Satanism is all about: It's about knowing that the answers are not outside yourselves, but within. Don't look to others for answers. You won't find them. Self advancement requires work, not simplistic answers and slogans. The abrahamic paths require you to look to others for answers and rules, at your own expense. You're expected to "lay up your treasure in heaven", by giving up your treasure RIGHT HERE; by giving up your personal power, RIGHT HERE. So, who do you give these things up to??? Inquiring minds want to know... If you are on that path, good for you. But I'm not. You see nothing wrong with "satanism", and refuse to contemplate that there IS horrible and murderous evil in the world, and that evil is very possibly caused by a cognant force controlling or at minimum influencing humankind. What does this have to do with Holmes? Was he now "demon" possessed? It is THAT sort of evil which leads to this sort of event. There ARE those who utilize that evil as a means to an ends, which typically results in them them having more power, and/or receiving vast treasures. You need look no further than the 3 abrahamic faiths to see that. But what does any of this have to do with Holmes? If you have a problem with me and or satanism, no problem. But at least keep from going off on a tangent. ------------------------------------------ Whenever there's resistance, examine your motivation. Whenever there's flow, consider taking action.
Well then, the govt is looking for a few good men just like you to continue the Tuskegee Syphilis Study. Oh, and The Phoenix Program and Jay Pollard's arrangement with Israel and the murders of foreign heads of state (Congress believes in conspiracies enough to outlaw many of them) and more shots fired than Sirhan's gun could hold and The phony Gulf Of Tonkin incident and the CIA bringing crack to the cities and Mena, Arkansas and Bush defying always accurate exit polls and sweeping heavily Democratic districts where he was despised and voting machines with disappearing software and zero accountability..... Bob Wallace says: "The govt is our friend and they don't lie to us, oh, and brainwashing doesn't exist.... Some folks outgrow their fear of Boogie Perthuns and some sleep with a nightlight. Some folks understood the true nature of the KGB and some convinced themselves that it was patriotic to snitch on their neighbors. Turtle, I fear that you're a snitch who sleeps with a nightlight. If you believe that incumbents for life, war industrialists and fanatical ideologues leave things to chance in the US, then you are confusing your Pollyanna syndrome with patriotism and all to hide your abject cowardice. There's someone in your life that you cannot face and speak the truth with, and your solution is to mimic a flag waving ostrich.
Lol. I am sorta new so I don't really know many here, but that had me laughing.... 8) "The Best Way to Control the Opposition is to Lead it." Vladimir Lenin "I am not a Marxist." Karl Marx
You may be able to convince yourself that's what satanism is about, but you won't convince me of it. It's not called SATANism because of flowery ideas and concepts involving self exploration, it's called that because its adherents believe in a devil like being named satan, whom they worship. That's why they call him master. The State is our enemy and it lies all the time. However, brainwashing does not exist. I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
You see Christianity as the result of an ancient world wide conspiracy to control mankind. I tend to agree with you on that, more or less. Yet you see no conspiracy in the worship of the devil, often times fueled with mind altering drugs, wanton sex, and animal sacrifice. You even claim such things don't happen or even exist. My point is that there ARE conspiracies of all types and scope. The facts concerning Holmes don't support the supposition that he was the lone shooter, and they point towards the strong possibility he was purposely driven mad by those he trusted. There ARE those in this world which would do such a thing, and THEY are most likely involved and/or possessed by pure evil, motivated by greed and lust for power. And how do you KNOW this to be true Turtle? Your "gut feeling"? Remember fukushima and how we should at least be bald by now, if not dead? You exaggerate for effect without citing sources. Who made the statements? And, there's this: April 12, 2012 08:00 AM Gulf Coast Fishermen: 'Everything is Dead' The Fukushima disaster is far from over. Of course if (G_d forbid) inexplicable cancers suddenly strike your loved ones you'll blame anything but radiation because your religious beliefs (state worship) must remain sacrosanct. And, only someone who is trying to insulate himself from frightening truths would suggest that the deaths from either disasters must be immediate to be attributable to the whore you are pimping for. And the fact that the only issue of concern to you is govt's plausible deniability is evidence of your 98 lb weakling agenda.
If you accept the xianity definition, then you're right. But as for me, they're just a little biased. Just a little... "Satan" is a title, not a name. Do you know what it means? How about the root definition of "worship"? Hint: It doesn't mean groveling. That's why they call him master. lol. Really? I can't imagine a Satanist doing that. But we Satanists are an eclectic bunch, so who knows. ------------------------------------------ Whenever there's resistance, examine your motivation. Whenever there's flow, consider taking action.
But, talk radio is a poor source upon which to rely. And if you "don't know what it is but you do know what it ain't" then how do your views differ from those of ordinary bigots, fanatics, simpletons and stupids of every stripe?
Welcome!
Yes, let us now sing "god bless america, I bend over for thee". Please rise. And, only someone who is trying to insulate himself from frightening truths would suggest that the deaths from either disasters must be immediate to be attributable to the whore you are pimping for. A half and half, $200! BJ for $50! Silly me. I thought the topic was about Holmes. I guess that a person is either all in, and believes every conspiracy, or he folds and worships the state. ------------------------------------------ Whenever there's resistance, examine your motivation. Whenever there's flow, consider taking action.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestYou also knew it was only a (very short) matter of time before the conspiracy freaks came out of the woodwork.
#34. To: titorite, wakeup (#17)
except that very rare reader, like yourself, that already knows instinctively that conspiracies do not exist.
#35. To: PSUSA2, Turtle, Shoonra (#32)
(Edited)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#36. To: FormerLurker (#35)
accept the "simple answer"
#37. To: PSUSA2 (#32)
You also knew it was only a (very short) matter of time before the conspiracy freaks came out of the woodwork.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#38. To: Turtle (#36)
I fear no conspiracy because they don't exist.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#39. To: Turtle (#36)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#40. To: Turtle (#36)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#41. To: Turtle (#33)
What I find bizarre is that as soon as some people found out about the shooting, they immediately sat down at their computers and starting writing about how it was a conspiracy.
#42. To: FormerLurker (#40)
So NOTHING illegal is plotted ahead of time by more than one person, right Turtle?
#43. To: Turtle (#42)
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There are no conspiracies involving remote-controlled airplanes and explosives in towers.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#44. To: abraxas (#34)
lol....got sarcasm?
#45. To: Turtle (#42)
There is a difference between what is and what isn't.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#46. To: Turtle (#42)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#47. To: PSUSA2 (#32)
#48. To: FormerLurker (#45)
Apparently you have problems processing what IS. Your concept of what ISN'T is a bit faulty as well.
#49. To: Turtle (#42)
"You are not to say, 'It is a conspiracy!'
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#50. To: Turtle (#48)
I will give you 10,000 years to prove there were remote-controlled airplanes and explosives in the WTC
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#51. To: FormerLurker (#49)
In looking over your posts, do you see a bit of a problem here?
#52. To: FormerLurker (#50)
If the "hijackers" are still alive
#53. To: christine, Turtle, Bob, 4 (#47)
#54. To: Turtle (#51)
Only nuts believe there was a conspiracy to sink the Titanic, or there were three shooters on Kennedy, or his driver finished him off, or the moon landings were shot on stage, or there were remote-controlled airplanes and explosives in the WTC. That's what I mean by "there are no conspiracies."
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#55. To: Turtle (#52)
If the "hijackers" are still alive
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#56. To: Lod (#53)
Look, Bob knows that it's all true; Turtle, on the other hand, just tosses stuff out here for chumming-effect to see who rises to the bait.
#57. To: Turtle (#56)
I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
#58. To: FormerLurker, Turtle (#54)
Isn't there a commandment against bearing false witness?
#59. To: All (#57)
pug heaven -
#60. To: christine (#47)
oh, god. please don't tell me you believe, like Bob does, the government's 9/11 impossible tale, bin laden's killing tale, and the Warren Commission's report on the Kennedy assassination.
#61. To: FormerLurker (#37)
It's a bit ironic that you feel that way, being that you see huge conspiracies in the matter of religion. You rebelled from a strict Christian upbringing by jumping to the polar opposite of Christianity, Satanism.
#62. To: Turtle, christine (#36)
I fear no conspiracy because they don't exist.
Oh, it's a big wide world we live in...."
#63. To: Conspiracy Realists (#62)
#64. To: HOUNDDAWG (#62)
a flag waving ostrich
#65. To: PSUSA2 (#61)
I'll do a little spoonfeeding here. Here is a short definition of what Satanism is all about: It's about knowing that the answers are not outside yourselves, but within. Don't look to others for answers. You won't find them. Self advancement requires work, not simplistic answers and slogans.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#66. To: HOUNDDAWG (#62)
Bob Wallace says: "The govt is our friend and they don't lie to us, oh, and brainwashing doesn't exist....
#67. To: PSUSA2 (#61)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#68. To: Turtle, HOUNDDAWG (#66)
However, brainwashing does not exist.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#69. To: PSUSA2, christine, Jethro Tull, James Deffenbach, esso, TwentyTwelve (#60)
Remember corexit and how we were all doomed Doomed DOOMED!!!
#70. To: FormerLurker (#65)
You may be able to convince yourself that's what satanism is about, but you won't convince me of it. It's not called SATANism because of flowery ideas and concepts involving self exploration, it's called that because its adherents believe in a devil like being named satan, whom they worship.
#71. To: Turtle (#66)
...brainwashing does not exist.
#72. To: Dead Culture Watch (#64)
#73. To: HOUNDDAWG (#69)
Of course if (G_d forbid) inexplicable cancers suddenly strike your loved ones you'll blame anything but radiation because your religious beliefs (state worship) must remain sacrosanct.
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