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Title: James Holmes was a Lunatic, not Brainwashed
Source: Unclebob's Treehouse
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Published: Jul 30, 2012
Author: Bob Wallace
Post Date: 2012-07-30 12:00:00 by Turtle
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Views: 8291
Comments: 106

Whenever something bad happens the Conspiracist Crackpots immediately come out of the woodwork and start hallucinating. Holmes was brainwashed. He had a chip in his head. It was a false flag operation.

It’s all bullshit. Brainwashing doesn’t exist, contrary to those with the vapors.

The retired psychiatrist James Gilligan spend 35 years dealing with thousands of murderers, trying to find out what they did what they did. Every time what he heard was, “He dissed me [my wife, girlfriend, parents, friends, children] so I killed him.”

One day he realized what he was hearing was the story of Cain and Abel – a story thousands of years old that explained why people murdered other people. Cain murdered Abel because he was rejected, humiliated, insulted, shamed. He blamed it on his brother and murdered him.

Murder is about the desire for revenge, to replace shame with pride.

Holmes was a complete loser with women. He was consistently rejected by them. I doubt he had even kissed a woman, just like the Korean shooter in Virginia who murdered some 30 people.

Holmes had been on a sex site trying to find women, and was rejected by every one of them.

Additionally, he was mentally ill, apparently from schizophrenia. On TV I saw his eyes wandering. That’s a side effect of psychiatric drugs (I don’t call it medication) and one of the main side effects of these drugs is increases in murder/suicide.

I doubt Holmes even remembers what he did.

A schizophrenia on murder/suicide “medication,” a loner/loser rejected by women, who was just kicked out of school…he was sending out red flags all over the place.

The Conspiracist Crackpots, because they are deluded, can’t see the truth in front of their eyes. Unfortunately, they’ll never change their minds. Believing is non-existent conspiracies is just too much fun.

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#30. To: Turtle (#0)

spoilsport.

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-07-31   12:13:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: PSUSA2 (#30)

spoilsport.

I know.

Turtle  posted on  2012-07-31   12:19:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Turtle (#31)

You also knew it was only a (very short) matter of time before the conspiracy freaks came out of the woodwork. One doesn't need to be a genius to predict that. Hell, I knew that.

It's fukushima all over again.

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-07-31   12:22:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: PSUSA2, Turtle, Shoonra (#32) (Edited)

Some people use critical thinking skills and never accept a story fraught with conflicting data just because that's what the government told them.

And then there are some people who just swallow whatever simple answer they can snatch out of the air, because it's simple and doesn't show the government to be evil and totally corrupt.

Hell, the investigation is still in progress, they haven't even closed the book on this one yet. Yet folks like you are sugar coating this as a "lone gunman" scenario, because you are either unwilling or unable to think this through in your minds, or because you've been programmed to accept the "simple answer", even though there really isn't one when all known facts are considered.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-07-31   13:41:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: FormerLurker (#35)

accept the "simple answer"

Amusingly, not one person has commented on Gilligan's rediscovering what causes murder..which was also discovered by Aristotle, Aquinas, St. Augustine, and many other thoughtful people.

It's easier for the robots to pretend everything is a conspiracy.

Not only is the Bible totally correct about the cause of murder, this is what Isiah 8:12 says about the belief in non-existent conspiracies: "You are not to say, 'It is a conspiracy!' In regard to all that this people call a conspiracy, And you are not to fear what they fear or be in dread of it."

I fear no conspiracy because they don't exist. There are enough problems in this world with hallucinating them.

Turtle  posted on  2012-07-31   13:54:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Turtle, christine (#36)

I fear no conspiracy because they don't exist.

Well then, the govt is looking for a few good men just like you to continue the Tuskegee Syphilis Study.

Oh, and The Phoenix Program and Jay Pollard's arrangement with Israel and the murders of foreign heads of state (Congress believes in conspiracies enough to outlaw many of them) and more shots fired than Sirhan's gun could hold and The phony Gulf Of Tonkin incident and the CIA bringing crack to the cities and Mena, Arkansas and Bush defying always accurate exit polls and sweeping heavily Democratic districts where he was despised and voting machines with disappearing software and zero accountability.....

Bob Wallace says: "The govt is our friend and they don't lie to us, oh, and brainwashing doesn't exist....

Photobucket Oh, it's a big wide world we live in...."

Some folks outgrow their fear of Boogie Perthuns and some sleep with a nightlight. Some folks understood the true nature of the KGB and some convinced themselves that it was patriotic to snitch on their neighbors.

Turtle, I fear that you're a snitch who sleeps with a nightlight. If you believe that incumbents for life, war industrialists and fanatical ideologues leave things to chance in the US, then you are confusing your Pollyanna syndrome with patriotism and all to hide your abject cowardice. There's someone in your life that you cannot face and speak the truth with, and your solution is to mimic a flag waving ostrich.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2012-07-31   16:22:51 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: HOUNDDAWG (#62)

Bob Wallace says: "The govt is our friend and they don't lie to us, oh, and brainwashing doesn't exist....

The State is our enemy and it lies all the time.

However, brainwashing does not exist.

Turtle  posted on  2012-07-31   16:42:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Turtle, HOUNDDAWG, FormerLurker, PSUSA2, christine, Jethro Tull, James Deffenbach, esso, TwentyTwelve (#66)

However, brainwashing does not exist.

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This mind control summary is based on astonishing excerpts from three landmark books: Bluebird by Colin Ross, MD; Mind Controllers by Armen Victorian; and A Nation Betrayed by Carol Rutz. The authors provide hundreds of footnotes to support their thorough research. This revealing information is based on 18,000 pages of declassified CIA mind control documents. To order these key documents from the U.S. government, click here. Join in powerfully building a better world for all by spreading the word

A declassified CIA document dated 7 Jan 1953 [1] describes the creation of multiple personality in 19-year old girls. "These subjects have clearly demonstrated that they can pass from a fully awake state to a deep H [hypnotic] controlled state ... by telephone, by receiving written matter, or by the use of code, signal, or words and that control of those hypnotized can be passed from one individual to another without great difficulty. It has also been shown by experimentation with these girls that they can act as unwilling couriers for information purposes."

The CIA Mind Control Projects

A CIA document dated 10 Feb 1954 [4] describes an experiment on the creation of unsuspecting assassins: "Miss [deleted] was then instructed (having expressed a fear of firearms) that she would use every method at her disposal to awaken Miss [deleted] (now in a deep hypnotic sleep) and failing this, she would pick up a pistol and fire it at Miss [deleted]. She was instructed that she would not hesitate to "kill." Miss [deleted] carried out these suggestions including firing the (unloaded) gun at [deleted]. After proper suggestions were made, both were awakened. Miss [deleted] expressed absolute denial that the foregoing sequence had happened." BB 36, 37

327 CIA mind-control victims win cash claims

HUNDREDS of mentally ill patients who were subjected to barbaric CIA-funded brainwashing experiments by a Scottish doctor could be entitled to compensation

Doctor Ewan Cameron, who became one of the world’s leading psychiatrists, developed techniques used by Nazi scientists to wipe out the existing personalities of people in his care.

Cameron, who graduated from Glasgow University, was recruited by the CIA during the cold war while working at McGill University in Montreal, Canada.

He carried out mind-control experiments using drugs such as LSD on hundreds of patients, but only 77 of them were awarded compensation.

Now a landmark ruling by a Federal Court judge in Montreal will allow more than 250 former patients, whose claims were rejected, to seek compensation.

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Yeah....I guess these hundreds of mind control victims who were subjected to barbaric CIA-funded brainwashing experiments are just a bunch of "kooks"?

Bill D Berger  posted on  2012-07-31   17:12:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Turtle, HOUNDDAWG, FormerLurker, PSUSA2, christine, Jethro Tull, James Deffenbach, esso, TwentyTwelve (#77)

The Manchurian Veterans

They Were Expendable

In 1953, President Dwight Eisenhower's Secretary of Defense Charles E. Wilson authorized scientific experimentation on active duty military members in a document now infamously known as the Wilson Memo.

Between 1954 and 1975, more than seven thousand Army and Air Force personnel are thought to have participated in Sidney Gottlieb's mind control program.

Many of these veterans have sought compensation for the physical and psychological damage they suffered at the hands of Gottlieb and his assistants, but to date the government has balked at honoring their claims.In 2001, President Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen awarded yet another contract to the IOM to locate the Edgewood veterans and other subjects of DoD chemical testing. In a 2003 article published in Military Medicine , the IOM reported that it had conducted a survey of 4,002 Edgewood veterans. But this report focused on subjects of Sarin and other chemical weapon experiments, not specifically on the MK-ULTRA mind control program subjects.

Further confusing the issue was a 2004 Government Accounting Office (GAO) report titled Chemical and Biological Defense: DOD Needs to Continue to Collect and Provide Information on Tests and Potentially Exposed Personnel. The report covered veteran test subjects in a chemical and biological test program known as "Project 112," but also addressed a Department of Defense mandate to investigate all other human test projects conducted since World War II.

The report stated that Army documents identified over seven thousand Army and Air Force personnel who participated in these "other tests" conducted at Edgewood and elsewhere, but didn't specifically break out which of these test veterans were involved in Gottlieb's mind control experiments.

It also said the GAO had concluded that, "the scope and the magnitude of tests involving human subjects was not available, and the exact number of human subjects might never be known." *

Shocking Videos of LSD and MKULTRA Experiments on Citizens

The purpose of the project was outlined in a memo dated January 1952 that stated, “Can we get control of an individual to the point where he will do our bidding against his will and even against fundamental laws of nature, such as self preservation?”

Project Bluebird researchers experimented with a wide variety of psychoactive substances, including LSD, heroin, marijuana, cocaine, PCP, mescaline, and ether. Thousands of military personal were dosed and experimented upon, and it is believed that many civilians were also used.

Bill D Berger  posted on  2012-07-31   17:14:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Bill D Berger (#80)

Was Holmes one of them?

Some have already reached that conclusion. How, I don't know. Unless it already fits into their own preconceived ideas, making proof superfluous.

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-07-31   18:22:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: PSUSA2, Bill D Berger (#84)

Was Holmes one of them?

Some have already reached that conclusion. How, I don't know

And then some people have already reached the conclusion that he wasn't, although past history and known facts indicate otherwise.

FormerLurker  posted on  2012-07-31   18:41:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: FormerLurker (#86)

And then some people have already reached the conclusion that he wasn't, although past history and known facts indicate otherwise.

One possibility that is being studiously ignored in some quarters is: he's a mass murderer that premeditated this act.

I guess mass murders were unknown until there was a MK-ULTRA. Or, a devil to blame. There's always some outside cause, right? Personal responsibility is so passe...

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-07-31   18:56:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: PSUSA2 (#87)

One possibility that is being studiously ignored in some quarters is: he's a mass murderer that premeditated this act.

I guess mass murders were unknown until there was a MK-ULTRA. Or, a devil to blame. There's always some outside cause, right? Personal responsibility is so passe...

So what then? You are pious enough to pass judgement on the dude without all the details because getting to know him and his family is too much for you?

What fucking shit head.

Some fucking people I swear , you could read about the little fucker, his dad, his grand dad who they are and what they do but no.. that is asking too much of the likes of you.. you who would just shrug your shoulders and put a bullet in him.... Never fucking mind that others could be made to do this shit... never mind more sons ov bitches were involved no, lets just let those other guilty fucksticks go because JAMES HOLMES DID IT! TEEVEE TOLD ME SO!

For fucks sake you might as well pull your own guillotine cord.

titorite  posted on  2012-07-31   19:04:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: titorite (#90)

So what then? You are pious enough to pass judgement on the dude without all the details because getting to know him and his family is too much for you?

What fucking shit head.

Some fucking people I swear , you could read about the little fucker, his dad, his grand dad who they are and what they do but no.. that is asking too much of the likes of you.. you who would just shrug your shoulders and put a bullet in him.... Never fucking mind that others could be made to do this shit... never mind more sons ov bitches were involved no, lets just let those other guilty fucksticks go because JAMES HOLMES DID IT! TEEVEE TOLD ME SO!

For fucks sake you might as well pull your own guillotine cord.

I should frame that. It's one for the ages and should replace the Mona Lisa at that Louvre museum.

All I said was this: "One possibility that is being studiously ignored in some quarters is: he's a mass murderer that premeditated this act."

And that somehow makes me "pious" and "judgmental"? I said "one possibility" that was being "studiously ignored in some quarters".

Perhaps he needs a group hug and a candlelight vigil?

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-07-31   19:12:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: PSUSA2 (#92)

All I said was this: "One possibility that is being studiously ignored in some quarters is: he's a mass murderer that premeditated this act."

INCORRECT

You said a little something more too

"I guess mass murders were unknown until there was a MK-ULTRA. Or, a devil to blame. There's always some outside cause, right? Personal responsibility is so passe... "

I guess personal responsibility is 'passe' for people like you who can't even attribute a full quote to themselves.

titorite  posted on  2012-07-31   19:16:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#95. To: titorite (#93)

And?

PSUSA2  posted on  2012-07-31 19:24:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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