4um: James Holmes was a Lunatic, not Brainwashed

Title: James Holmes was a Lunatic, not Brainwashed
Source: Unclebob's Treehouse
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Published: Jul 30, 2012
Author: Bob Wallace
Post Date: 2012-07-30 12:00:00 by Turtle
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Views: 10270
Comments: 106

Whenever something bad happens the Conspiracist Crackpots immediately come out of the woodwork and start hallucinating. Holmes was brainwashed. He had a chip in his head. It was a false flag operation.

It’s all bullshit. Brainwashing doesn’t exist, contrary to those with the vapors.

The retired psychiatrist James Gilligan spend 35 years dealing with thousands of murderers, trying to find out what they did what they did. Every time what he heard was, “He dissed me [my wife, girlfriend, parents, friends, children] so I killed him.”

One day he realized what he was hearing was the story of Cain and Abel – a story thousands of years old that explained why people murdered other people. Cain murdered Abel because he was rejected, humiliated, insulted, shamed. He blamed it on his brother and murdered him.

Holmes was a complete loser with women. He was consistently rejected by them. I doubt he had even kissed a woman, just like the Korean shooter in Virginia who murdered some 30 people.

Holmes had been on a sex site trying to find women, and was rejected by every one of them.

Additionally, he was mentally ill, apparently from schizophrenia. On TV I saw his eyes wandering. That’s a side effect of psychiatric drugs (I don’t call it medication) and one of the main side effects of these drugs is increases in murder/suicide.

A schizophrenia on murder/suicide “medication,” a loner/loser rejected by women, who was just kicked out of school…he was sending out red flags all over the place.

The Conspiracist Crackpots, because they are deluded, can’t see the truth in front of their eyes. Unfortunately, they’ll never change their minds. Believing is non-existent conspiracies is just too much fun.

You also knew it was only a (very short) matter of time before the conspiracy freaks came out of the woodwork. One doesn't need to be a genius to predict that. Hell, I knew that.

Some people use critical thinking skills and never accept a story fraught with conflicting data just because that's what the government told them.

And then there are some people who just swallow whatever simple answer they can snatch out of the air, because it's simple and doesn't show the government to be evil and totally corrupt.

Hell, the investigation is still in progress, they haven't even closed the book on this one yet. Yet folks like you are sugar coating this as a "lone gunman" scenario, because you are either unwilling or unable to think this through in your minds, or because you've been programmed to accept the "simple answer", even though there really isn't one when all known facts are considered.

Amusingly, not one person has commented on Gilligan's rediscovering what causes murder..which was also discovered by Aristotle, Aquinas, St. Augustine, and many other thoughtful people.

Not only is the Bible totally correct about the cause of murder, this is what Isiah 8:12 says about the belief in non-existent conspiracies: "You are not to say, 'It is a conspiracy!' In regard to all that this people call a conspiracy, And you are not to fear what they fear or be in dread of it."

I fear no conspiracy because they don't exist. There are enough problems in this world with hallucinating them.

Well then, the govt is looking for a few good men just like you to continue the Tuskegee Syphilis Study.

Oh, and The Phoenix Program and Jay Pollard's arrangement with Israel and the murders of foreign heads of state (Congress believes in conspiracies enough to outlaw many of them) and more shots fired than Sirhan's gun could hold and The phony Gulf Of Tonkin incident and the CIA bringing crack to the cities and Mena, Arkansas and Bush defying always accurate exit polls and sweeping heavily Democratic districts where he was despised and voting machines with disappearing software and zero accountability.....

Bob Wallace says: "The govt is our friend and they don't lie to us, oh, and brainwashing doesn't exist....

Some folks outgrow their fear of Boogie Perthuns and some sleep with a nightlight. Some folks understood the true nature of the KGB and some convinced themselves that it was patriotic to snitch on their neighbors.

Turtle, I fear that you're a snitch who sleeps with a nightlight. If you believe that incumbents for life, war industrialists and fanatical ideologues leave things to chance in the US, then you are confusing your Pollyanna syndrome with patriotism and all to hide your abject cowardice. There's someone in your life that you cannot face and speak the truth with, and your solution is to mimic a flag waving ostrich.

This mind control summary is based on astonishing excerpts from three landmark books: Bluebird by Colin Ross, MD; Mind Controllers by Armen Victorian; and A Nation Betrayed by Carol Rutz. The authors provide hundreds of footnotes to support their thorough research. This revealing information is based on 18,000 pages of declassified CIA mind control documents. To order these key documents from the U.S. government, click here. Join in powerfully building a better world for all by spreading the word

A declassified CIA document dated 7 Jan 1953 [1] describes the creation of multiple personality in 19-year old girls. "These subjects have clearly demonstrated that they can pass from a fully awake state to a deep H [hypnotic] controlled state ... by telephone, by receiving written matter, or by the use of code, signal, or words and that control of those hypnotized can be passed from one individual to another without great difficulty. It has also been shown by experimentation with these girls that they can act as unwilling couriers for information purposes."

A CIA document dated 10 Feb 1954 [4] describes an experiment on the creation of unsuspecting assassins: "Miss [deleted] was then instructed (having expressed a fear of firearms) that she would use every method at her disposal to awaken Miss [deleted] (now in a deep hypnotic sleep) and failing this, she would pick up a pistol and fire it at Miss [deleted]. She was instructed that she would not hesitate to "kill." Miss [deleted] carried out these suggestions including firing the (unloaded) gun at [deleted]. After proper suggestions were made, both were awakened. Miss [deleted] expressed absolute denial that the foregoing sequence had happened." BB 36, 37

327 CIA mind-control victims win cash claims

HUNDREDS of mentally ill patients who were subjected to barbaric CIA-funded brainwashing experiments by a Scottish doctor could be entitled to compensation

Doctor Ewan Cameron, who became one of the world’s leading psychiatrists, developed techniques used by Nazi scientists to wipe out the existing personalities of people in his care.

Cameron, who graduated from Glasgow University, was recruited by the CIA during the cold war while working at McGill University in Montreal, Canada.

He carried out mind-control experiments using drugs such as LSD on hundreds of patients, but only 77 of them were awarded compensation.

Now a landmark ruling by a Federal Court judge in Montreal will allow more than 250 former patients, whose claims were rejected, to seek compensation.

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Yeah....I guess these hundreds of mind control victims who were subjected to barbaric CIA-funded brainwashing experiments are just a bunch of "kooks"?

They Were Expendable

In 1953, President Dwight Eisenhower's Secretary of Defense Charles E. Wilson authorized scientific experimentation on active duty military members in a document now infamously known as the Wilson Memo.

Between 1954 and 1975, more than seven thousand Army and Air Force personnel are thought to have participated in Sidney Gottlieb's mind control program.

Many of these veterans have sought compensation for the physical and psychological damage they suffered at the hands of Gottlieb and his assistants, but to date the government has balked at honoring their claims.In 2001, President Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen awarded yet another contract to the IOM to locate the Edgewood veterans and other subjects of DoD chemical testing. In a 2003 article published in Military Medicine , the IOM reported that it had conducted a survey of 4,002 Edgewood veterans. But this report focused on subjects of Sarin and other chemical weapon experiments, not specifically on the MK-ULTRA mind control program subjects.

Further confusing the issue was a 2004 Government Accounting Office (GAO) report titled Chemical and Biological Defense: DOD Needs to Continue to Collect and Provide Information on Tests and Potentially Exposed Personnel. The report covered veteran test subjects in a chemical and biological test program known as "Project 112," but also addressed a Department of Defense mandate to investigate all other human test projects conducted since World War II.

The report stated that Army documents identified over seven thousand Army and Air Force personnel who participated in these "other tests" conducted at Edgewood and elsewhere, but didn't specifically break out which of these test veterans were involved in Gottlieb's mind control experiments.

It also said the GAO had concluded that, "the scope and the magnitude of tests involving human subjects was not available, and the exact number of human subjects might never be known." *

The purpose of the project was outlined in a memo dated January 1952 that stated, “Can we get control of an individual to the point where he will do our bidding against his will and even against fundamental laws of nature, such as self preservation?”

Project Bluebird researchers experimented with a wide variety of psychoactive substances, including LSD, heroin, marijuana, cocaine, PCP, mescaline, and ether. Thousands of military personal were dosed and experimented upon, and it is believed that many civilians were also used.

Some have already reached that conclusion. How, I don't know. Unless it already fits into their own preconceived ideas, making proof superfluous.

And then some people have already reached the conclusion that he wasn't, although past history and known facts indicate otherwise.

One possibility that is being studiously ignored in some quarters is: he's a mass murderer that premeditated this act.

I guess mass murders were unknown until there was a MK-ULTRA. Or, a devil to blame. There's always some outside cause, right? Personal responsibility is so passe...

He certainly MIGHT be a mass murderer if it was in fact him who was in that theater shooting people up. Although he most likely was NOT the ONLY shooter in that theater due to various eyewitness reports of multiple shooters, or of another person taking a cell phone call by the fire exit and propping the door open.

His intelligence would have called for a better plan than simply waiting outside the door for the cops to arrest him, even if he was in fact insane.

You're imo trying to make sense out of something that is not logical. Anyone that thinks he's the joker in a batman movie and opens fire in a theater is not going to think or act logically (as we think of logic). But there is evident premeditation re: boobytrapped apartment etc. Unless, of course, there were no boobytraps.

All I am saying is that he cannot be tried on the internet. There is too much crap out there. I don't know what he did or didn't do, and I refuse to speculate or listen to others speculation(s). But shit, that really ticked off a few people. lol they think they have it all figured out.

People are at least awake enough to ask the questions and refuse to accept the simple answer on sheer authority from government spokemen just because it's the easiest way to get past it and "move on".

Yeah, but the thing is, they think they already have the answers, to this and other things.

I'm not sure that saying "the .gov lies" is good enough. OK, they lie, and 2+2=4. What's the truth? Too many already think they have the truth. But they don't agree with each other.

It's more about beliefs and how people hang on to them for dear life. IMO beliefs should not be so permanent. They should be subject to change with new information. But that is hardly ever the case.

I'm open minded about the Holmes case, but there are a LOT of unanswered questions surrounding it and conflicting facts. How WOULD a mind controlled assassin behave, if he had no training in firearms or explosives, but was a doctoral candidate in a neuroscience program?

Too many things don't add up, and given the history of MKULTRA and other dark projects, I would have to see it as a possible part of the picture.

I don't know much about explosives, but being the owner of more than one AR, They're not hard to figure out.

There used to be a board called roguesci that had information on how to make explosives and other interesting things. They were pro and amateur chemists, and they ran that board with an iron fist. One typo and they banned people, and that was for safety reasons. And because I''m not a chemist, much of it was way over my head. But since the shooter was probably familiar with chemistry, he'd be able to do that.